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Judging by these preliminary benchmarks (be they legit or not), it seems we got quite hammered.
http://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_4s_browser_benchmark_and_camera_sample_leaks-news-3257.php
Holy crap
I guess GB isn't optimized for Dual Core devices right, that's why there is so much difference between iPhone and I9100?
If NOT, then I'd sell my I9100.
Its based on 2.3.3 vs ios5 lol. See what it says when ics launches.
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ithehappy said:
Holy crap
I guess GB isn't optimized for Dual Core devices right, that's why there is so much difference between iPhone and I9100?
If NOT, then I'd sell my I9100.
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Android isn't optimised for anything,keep that in mind.Raw power might not be that much more than what we have.Let's wait for ICS and see for ourselves if things get better.
Me?Look at my signature.My device can surely mean serious competition to the iPhone!
No **** it got hammered. If a device was released close to 6 months after another one I would expect the newer device to be better. If it was close or worse than then SGS2 then crApple would really have dropped the ball on that one.
The OS are different...the SGS2 is more than fast enough for all application...basically there is nothing it can do but fast...4S is good but the SGS2 can do everything it does...dont see the issue...bench is bench, two totally different OS no doubt...
Of course it should beat it GSII was announced over 6 months ago. But bench's are bull**** just look at quadrant....
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Of course it should beat it GSII was announced over 6 months ago. But bench's are bull**** just look at quadrant....
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Do you remeber the hype ours truly (and even GS1) generated when it pwned I4 in these same benches? They weren't bull**** then.
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No **** it got hammered. If a device was released close to 6 months after another one I would expect the newer device to be better. If it was close or worse than then SGS2 then crApple would really have dropped the ball on that one.
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That's not what these marks underline, it's the way a lower specced system with a higher specced os comes on top. Remember last Tuesday? Everyone said the I4S is nowhere near SGS2. Why? Based on pure hardware. Would you expect an HTC or SE with the same specs as I4S and Android to get these marks?
I certainly hope Google optimise the &^%* out of IceCream or whatever system comes next, or this is the beginning of their downfall. They have been proved wrong with fragmentation of the OS and apps and now with their pumping of the hardware specs to compensate OS lackings.
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Do you remeber the hype ours truly (and even GS1) generated when it pwned I4 in these same benches? They weren't bull**** then.
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if you want you can go grow your epeen all you want with benchmark scores mate. have fun!
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Of course it should beat it GSII was announced over 6 months ago. But bench's are bull**** just look at quadrant....
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+1 who realistically takes benchmarks seriously, even worse anyone who does and threatens to sell their SGSII and buy an iPhone4S just because the benchmark is higher
If the SGS2 didn't get hammered, then Moore's Law not longer applies. Nothing to see here.
Notice how in the first browser benchmark the Galaxy Tab 8.1 comes rather close to the 4S and that it is also the only device running Android 3.1? There is definately a lot more room for improvement for Android... Graphics wise, not a surprising result but it looks like they've underclocked the GPU compared to the iPad 2.
the question is will our GS2 will have ICS? or just nexus prime and gs3!!!
please enlighten me if my questions above are already answered.
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the question is will our GS2 will have ICS? or just nexus prime and gs3!!!
please enlighten me if my questions above are already answered.
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ICS will be for everyone.
What happened with Honeycomb (I'm speculating) is that the Google team used one too many workaround to get it to work on the Xoom (meeting launch deadlines and all that), so it's a bit more thank wonky. So they're not releasing it.
ICS will merge the Honeycomb and the Gingerbread builds into one unified release. Probably gonna call it Android 4.0 or something.
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the question is will our GS2 will have ICS? or just nexus prime and gs3!!!
please enlighten me if my questions above are already answered.
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They would literally kill themselves if they wouldn't provide it for SGS2.
CPU-wise, SGS2 and IP4S are pretty similar. However the dual core GPU of IP4S wins by a rather significant margin.
The browser performance (SunSpider and BrowserMark) is heavily dependent on the software and browser implementation. From what I've gathered, Android GingerBread has yet to utilise dual core CPUs fully, which will be rectified in Ice Cream Sandwich. I don't know if running stock unmodded ROMs produce similar results to that of the chart, but I've managed 98k BrowserMark and 2400ms SunSpider (0.9 version) scores on CM7 using the stock Android browser. Using SunSpider 0.91 (which I suspect the IP4S is based on), I've got a nice 1750ms value. A very large disparity compared to the chart.
You guys could try running the browser benchmarks yourselves and see how your devices fare. Be sure to list your ROMs and versions!
SunSpider (Use the old 0.9 version to compare with the chart as the newer 0.91 version will produce a lower value)
BrowserMark
Here's mine as above:
ROM: CM7 Nightlies 78
Browser: Stock Android Browser
SunSpider 0.9: ~2400ms
SunSpider 0.91: ~1750ms
BrowserMark: ~98k
Lol, how it's a threat in saying I'll sell my I9100. I just said what I'd do! Jeez!
Let ICS to come first for our GSII then we should talk about what it could do. Don't forget a Benchmark result means how your hardware is performing with the software. Only stupids can ignore it. It's not Quadrant that we could ignore it as it's not customized for Dual Cores.
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Lol, how it's a threat in saying I'll sell my I9100. I just said what I'd do! Jeez!
Let ICS to come first for our GSII then we should talk about what it could do. Don't forget a Benchmark result means how your hardware is performing with the software. Only stupids can ignore it. It's not Quadrant that we could ignore it as it's not customized for Dual Cores.
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This! x100.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro21&showhide=true&certified_only=1&D1=Apple%20iPhone%204S&D2=Samsung%20GT-i9100%20Galaxy%20S2&D3=HTC%20Sensation&D4=Motorola%20Droid%203
And as the above poster said, you can't really ignore benchmarks and only refer to them only when your device has the upper hand. This is not quadrant...
It should open Google's eyes to take the necessary measures in order for it's new OS not to flop from the beginning.
...oh well.
Benchmarking and testing apples to what? lolipops or icecreams? LOL
If there is one thing to be noticed is the not the superior hardware or HOW LOUD THE FANBOYS will scream...everyone should notice how a proper coded OS behaves on decent hardware. It reflects the real Apple and how it was built by Jobs. From the secrecy to the final product. IOS5 was uber polished and hand carved to make sure it will hammer everything. And people have slept in front of an iStore and will sleep because of that. Nice design BUT exceptional dedicated OS. Apple is living off their phone line and Ipad and thay got to the top by carefully selecting hardware and amazing software for the humble user.
With Android, we have some coders building the kernel and giving it to Samsung. At Samsung they mangle with it and perhaps they say " uhm, we need more time to get it to work properly" and the design crew saves them: the thinnest device, super amoled + with macro shots, 1.2 dualcore... No add I ever saw went to say that Android is capable of taking advantage of the dual core to save battery, nope. and after 6 months and 10 million units sold, sammy can flip us the bird and move on to the next "flexible " supermega amoled. Sadly, it has came to this times when you buy an Android phone you buy the features not the OS, which should be a decisive factor.
While on Iphone/WP7 active browsing XDA forums is optional, the moment you have an Android device you're required to spend at least 4hrs weekly browsing forums trying to get your OS to work, digg up an leaked firmware that solves A but brings C issue....
I bet 100 bucks to anyone that if you can get WP7 to run on SGS2 it will shutter iPhone 4s to pieces.
I am making this thread because I know things are about to get crazy here (apparently they have already) with SGSIII and Evo comparisons. I just want people to realize that there is absolutely no need to lose any sleep or hair when choosing between two equally impressive devices.
The problem with this whole lte vs gs3 things stems from the fact that most people aren't confident in their ability to make decisions. Neither HTC nor Samsung have hid any features or specs from us, WE KNOW WHAT EACH PHONE IS CAPABLE OF, now it is up to the end user to make a final decision. The differences between the two phones have been stated over and over and over and over and over again, I seriously can't understand where the lack of comprehension is coming from with many.
Ultimately I personally chose the EVO and purchased it just a few hours go after weeks of evaluation and Samsung finally releasing the U.S versions specs. Also my local BestBuy somehow had one for me even though my pre-order stated it'd take over a week.
I'm a firm believer in doing research and making my own decisions based on my personal needs, so here is what led me to choose the EVO over the Galaxy and in the end it ultimately came down to prefrence becasue both phones are virtually identical in terms of real-world use (You will NEVER use 2gb of ram on a cell-phone..And I will NEVER eat those words )
One of the main deciding factors for me was brand loyalty. I have been with HTC since the Kaiser and the OG Evo still remains the most awesome phone ever invented (mostly due to the dev community here )
Another deciding factor for me was the design and look/feel of the Evo. At first I despised the multicolored back but after experiencing the phone in person it sold me. The design of this thing is truly beautiful and I can always mod the back if I feel it necessary. I do like the design of the Galaxy as well, but I am fairly certain that the build quality of it is not on par with the Evo. This is how it's always been with HTC v.s Samsung and Samsung has made it obvious that they are fine with this.
So there you have it. Those were my primary two deciding factors that ultimately pushed me to the Evo even though i'v been leaning towards the galaxy for the past few weeks.
To me all of the other differences between these two phones are very much irrelevant. 1gb vs 2gb ram. Sense vs TouchWiz. Screen differences (this was actually a middle ground deciding factor for me because when I first saw the LTE screen it really did blow me away) and most of the other minor differences
will have absolutely no impact on the large majority of users day to day experience.
But like I said earlier guys, Ultimately the decision of what phone to get really shouldn't be that hard for you. My gut played a huge factor in helping me decide and I highly suggest you all listen to yours as well.
The worst case scenario is that you purchase the phone, don't like it and return it within your two week test period, then rinse and repeat...Unless you are one of the very few people in the DARKEST timeline--in that case you are screwed because you will most likely brake your phone within a week and have forgotten to get insurance on it and you won't be able to figure out a way to convince Bestbuy or Sprint to add it on...but don't worry, this most likely won't happen to you
Either way, don't let all of this EVO vs sgsIII non-sense have a huge impact on your decision because most of the stuff you hear here is 100% personal bias and nothing more. Also don't be phased by the "all the bug" threads cropping up. If you have purchased a smart-phone before, within it's first 6-months of life then you will know there is absolutely nothing to worry about. These manufacturers invest A LOT of money into testing and insuring the quality of these devices, software bugs are nothing to spill milk over. It's the same thing with video games (I.E Diablo III) and every electronic on the market.
TL DR
And how again is this related to support for the EVO LTE? Support means helping make the phone user's experience better, opinions don't do that. Another phone comparison thread...so much wasted space...sigh
Edit: I wanted to delete this but I will leave it here as a reminder of how stoopid I was...
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(You will NEVER use 2gb of ram on a cell-phone..And I will NEVER eat those words )
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Right... LG already jumped on the 2GB bandwagon and I'm sure that if HTC included 2GB in the EVO LTE, you wouldn't complain either. 2GB of RAM is where the future is for Android devices. Smartphones were never just "cell-phones" so having that amount of RAM is only logical in the evolution of technology. If the Atrix had shipped with 2GB of ram, the webtop may have actually been usable and not just a piece of garbage. Now, next year, or the year after that when you make your next "cell-phone" purchase and it has 2GB of RAM, I will most definitely expect you to be eating your words, because not only will you welcome the addition, you will undoubtedly enjoy it as well. Just because Samsung did it doesn't mean you need to try and find a way to downplay it. It is a much needed addition on a bloated Android skin like Sense. That is all.
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TL DR
And how again is this related to support for the EVO LTE? Support means helping make the phone user's experience better, opinions don't do that. Another phone comparison thread...so much wasted space...sigh
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haha yeah I might of possibly realized that after pressing "submit reply" before "preview post"...I still think this will help convince at least one person on which phone they should choose as it takes a less bias approach and doesn't "technically" compare the two.
Also the Community pun should lighten things up a bit...haha
sorry if this isn't your ideal thread man, welcome to XDA ):
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Right... LG already jumped on the 2GB bandwagon and I'm sure that if HTC included 2GB in the EVO LTE, you wouldn't complain either. 2GB of RAM is where the future is for Android devices. Smartphones were never just "cell-phones" so having that amount of RAM is only logical in the evolution of technology. If the Atrix had shipped with 2GB of ram, the webtop may have actually been usable and not just a piece of garbage. Now, next year, or the year after that when you make your next "cell-phone" purchase and it has 2GB of RAM, I will most definitely expect you to be eating your words, because not only will you welcome the addition, you will undoubtedly enjoy it as well. Just because Samsung did it doesn't mean you need to try and find a way to downplay it. It is a much needed addition on a bloated Android skin like Sense. That is all.
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oh don't get me wrong, i'd love to have 2gb of ram (and surely wouldn't complain if we had it) but I just don't personally see how practical it is for current Android devices and the overall current state of Android. I feel pretty confident that we won't tap into the true potential of having 2gb or ram for at least another year or so. I figured Samsung just added it as a "plus" since they couldn't get their quad-core processors stateside.
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oh don't get me wrong, i'd love to have 2gb of ram (and surely wouldn't complain if we had it) but I just don't personally see how practical it is for current Android devices and the overall current state of Android. I feel pretty confident that we won't tap into the true potential of having 2gb or ram for at least another year or so. I figured Samsung just added it as a "plus" since they couldn't get their quad-core processors stateside.
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TBH, that is pretty future proof...I'm not sure if Samsung shot themselves in the foot with that or not. Between the S4 processor, the 720p screen, and the 2GB of ram, this is the first time where I don't see this phone being overshadowed by an upgrade in a year's time. Unless they make advancements in camera/software/battery tech, there is no reason why someone wouldn't keep this phone a full two years on contract without feeling 'phone envy"
You have to admit that the EVO LTE with Sense 4 could have greatly benefited from either more RAM or much better memory management by HTC. I'm learning towards more RAM though. How much better could you manage memory on a resource hog like Sense 4? Yes it's supposedly lighter and all that but no one has really stopped to think that maybe it's not Sense 4 that's less bloated--maybe it is Android 4.0 and the Snapdragon S4's ability to handle it better. I'm thinking it's more ICS and its hardware acceleration than Sense 4 being 'lighter', because even Sense 3.6 is insanely smooth on the EVO 3D on ICS and I'm positive that if HTC would have stuck with Sense 3.0 on ICS, it would have been every bit as smooth.
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TBH, that is pretty future proof...I'm not sure if Samsung shot themselves in the foot with that or not. Between the S4 processor, the 720p screen, and the 2GB of ram, this is the first time where I don't see this phone being overshadowed by an upgrade in a year's time. Unless they make advancements in camera/software/battery tech, there is no reason why someone wouldn't keep this phone a full two years on contract without feeling 'phone envy"
You have to admit that the EVO LTE with Sense 4 could have greatly benefited from either more RAM or much better memory management by HTC. I'm learning towards more RAM though. How much better could you manage memory on a resource hog like Sense 4? Yes it's supposedly lighter and all that but no one has really stopped to think that maybe it's not Sense 4 that's less bloated--maybe it is Android 4.0 and the Snapdragon S4's ability to handle it better. I'm thinking it's more ICS and its hardware acceleration than Sense 4 being 'lighter', because even Sense 3.6 is insanely smooth on the EVO 3D on ICS and I'm positive that if HTC would have stuck with Sense 3.0 on ICS, it would have been every bit as smooth.
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I've only had the phone for less than 24hrs so I can't really form much of an opinion on sense 4.0's performance just yet, but I suspect that any issues that may arise will most likely be due to software related bugs and not an inadequate amount of ram. Also hopefully in the coming weeks we get some optimized and de-bloated roms that make things run pretty freaking baby butt smooth. It might just be my personal bias, but I really do genuinely feel that 2gb of ram is overkill.
Having it is nice of course, but when looked at from a practical perspective just seems irrelevant. Also at the current rate of technology I really don't think there is anything Samsung of HTC could do to future proof their phones past a year, I mean the new Photon is reported to arrive then end of this year and it supposedly has the "new and improved" quad core snapdragon in it as well as 2gb of ram, and this supposed to be within 6 months....But who really knows, the future of technology has always been strange and unpredictable. I'm actually curious to see what Apple brings to the table and if they can somehow raise the standard..which is far fetch.
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Didn't realize it was you who replied, Freeza. I'm sure whatever rom you release is going to prove just how capable 1gb of ram can be (;
heres my take on it all ram can be nice... however outside of the dumb multi tasking they killed which has been fixed i believe on the one x... extra ram yeah its nice needed meh depends i suppose. now as far as future proof goes.
There are only so many more improvements these companies can make more storage space,more ram,camera,battery. and of course jump from dual core to quad core WITH built in radios.now space camera and battery are decent so far and dual to quad eh we will see when qualcomm breaks out theirs since we obviously wont see samsungs unless its on a tablet...
I want battery improvements some more camera maybe however this camera is pretty damn good space eh if we go total sd card less then need 32 gigs min. 1080p screen would be 100% pointless and i have a feeling next yr samoled+ hd perhaps which would make this phone "not as future proof" as we all know big diff between samoled and samoled +.
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Dude, I honestly don't know what TL or DR means... I'm sorry I didn't catch your internet slang. Also I understand if you feel that my thread is pointless, i'm sure a lot of people feel that way but adding negativity doesn't help in any way, what so ever. Either ignore it or ignore it. No need to come in here and try to start a flame war with me.
I wrote this thread in the spur of the moment as I was admiring my new Evo and reminiscing as to how stressed I let myself get the past couple weeks because I couldn't decide what phone to get...Thank God that I realized (after I purchased the phone) that it's just a freaking phone and there was no reason for me or anyone else to get all worked up over which of the two new gold standard phones is better.
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tl dr means to long didnt read basically just hoping in a thread and high jacking it
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tl dr means to long didnt read basically just hoping in a thread and high jacking it
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If I was 'hoping' in a thread I would 'hope' that said thread was relevant to improving the user experience on a development forum. Not useless opinions which xda is now over run with...time for me to go back in my cave for a few months...and maybe when I come out spelling will have improved and the intelligence level will be commensurate...
Edit: sometimes I wonder what I'm thinking when I post stuff...I am not trying to sound like this, I swear!
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heres my take on it all ram can be nice... however outside of the dumb multi tasking they killed which has been fixed i believe on the one x... extra ram yeah its nice needed meh depends i suppose. now as far as future proof goes.
There are only so many more improvements these companies can make more storage space,more ram,camera,battery. and of course jump from dual core to quad core WITH built in radios.now space camera and battery are decent so far and dual to quad eh we will see when qualcomm breaks out theirs since we obviously wont see samsungs unless its on a tablet...
I want battery improvements some more camera maybe however this camera is pretty damn good space eh if we go total sd card less then need 32 gigs min. 1080p screen would be 100% pointless and i have a feeling next yr samoled+ hd perhaps which would make this phone "not as future proof" as we all know big diff between samoled and samoled +.
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tl dr means to long didnt read basically just hoping in a thread and high jacking it
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yeah I feel like mobile technology should be slowing down any day now...I mean moore's law can only be pushed so far before it hits some type of complications. But then again i'm sure people were saying this years ago also.
I decided not to go completely haywire over the camera and analyze ever single detail, pixel and shade and the end result left me extremely satisfied with this phone camera capabilities. I applaud HTC on the leap they've made in a field that they haven't been particularly strong with in the past.
I'm definitely with you when it comes to battery technology. I really wish we'd see some improvements in that field but it seems like it's been at a stalemate for the last couple years...aside from all the solar powered activity taking place.
Thanks for informing me on what those acronyms meant...Made me realize how obvious obvious troll was. lol
RAM means nothing unless you are a hardcore gamer and no real gamer is playing on a cell phone. So to the avg Joe it means nothing.
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I chose Evo over sgs3 by looking at specs, devices with similar hardware (like displays), and industry reviews of both.
Of course, all of the reviews said of how much they liked this new Sense version, and how light it was on top of the ics.
And of course, they forgot to mention that all those reviews were complete garbage, and that Sense4 was the most buggy bloated slow resource hogging pos HTC has put out to date. And that as soon as you installed a couple of apps/widgets/live wallpapers, this joke of a skin made an awesome device slower and more sluggish than previous generation Samsung devices (sgs2).
Now I'm seriously considering returning the phone, picking up an sgs3, and probably never ever trying to buy another htc device. Definitely not until they hire themselves a team of competent software engineers, who don't have **** for brains.
freeza said:
Right... LG already jumped on the 2GB bandwagon and I'm sure that if HTC included 2GB in the EVO LTE, you wouldn't complain either. 2GB of RAM is where the future is for Android devices. Smartphones were never just "cell-phones" so having that amount of RAM is only logical in the evolution of technology. If the Atrix had shipped with 2GB of ram, the webtop may have actually been usable and not just a piece of garbage. Now, next year, or the year after that when you make your next "cell-phone" purchase and it has 2GB of RAM, I will most definitely expect you to be eating your words, because not only will you welcome the addition, you will undoubtedly enjoy it as well. Just because Samsung did it doesn't mean you need to try and find a way to downplay it. It is a much needed addition on a bloated Android skin like Sense. That is all.
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Exactly! as developers push out more better and intense apps which are bigger in size and require more resources to run RAM is going to be needed...its part of evolution and will always be asking for more to an extent...
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TBH, that is pretty future proof...I'm not sure if Samsung shot themselves in the foot with that or not. Between the S4 processor, the 720p screen, and the 2GB of ram, this is the first time where I don't see this phone being overshadowed by an upgrade in a year's time. Unless they make advancements in camera/software/battery tech, there is no reason why someone wouldn't keep this phone a full two years on contract without feeling 'phone envy"
You have to admit that the EVO LTE with Sense 4 could have greatly benefited from either more RAM or much better memory management by HTC. I'm learning towards more RAM though. How much better could you manage memory on a resource hog like Sense 4? Yes it's supposedly lighter and all that but no one has really stopped to think that maybe it's not Sense 4 that's less bloated--maybe it is Android 4.0 and the Snapdragon S4's ability to handle it better. I'm thinking it's more ICS and its hardware acceleration than Sense 4 being 'lighter', because even Sense 3.6 is insanely smooth on the EVO 3D on ICS and I'm positive that if HTC would have stuck with Sense 3.0 on ICS, it would have been every bit as smooth.
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really? come on Freeza....ponder this for a sec......Next May/June-> HTC EVO with 2GB RAM, quad-core 28nm chip, support for 800MHz LTE(this starts being tested in FIT's next year and rolled after, so might or might not see this in 2013 EVO or wait till 2014's EVO), 2.6GHz LTE Support(Clearwire set to have sites up and live by June next yr, up in air if Sprint waits to support this or goes later), SoC supports LTE Advanced!....
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If I was 'hoping' in a thread I would 'hope' that said thread was relevant to improving the user experience on a development forum. Not useless opinions which xda is now over run with...time for me to go back in my cave for a few months...and maybe when I come out spelling will have improved and the intelligence level will be commensurate...
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Oh, you mean like how people might stop using "tl;dr" when they obviously did read it? (How else would one know how to make such meaningful comments on the post?) Or were you referring to how complaining about a spelling mistake looks petty and is ironic when the author himself ends sentences in prepositions? (You might also want to review the proper use of ellipses vis a vis spacing and when to include a leading period, as well as capitalization conventions.)
A spelling error could be a simple case of auto-correction gone awry or just fast typing, but poor sentence structure is on the writer. And I hate that I wasted so much off-topic space on this reply, so please forgive me, Internet.
Also, "overrun" is one word.
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Oh, you mean like how people might stop using "tl;dr" when they obviously did read it? (How else would one know how to make such meaningful comments on the post?) Or were you referring to how complaining about a spelling mistake looks petty and is ironic when the author himself ends sentences in prepositions? (You might also want to review the proper use of ellipses vis a vis spacing and when to include a leading period, as well as capitalization conventions.)
A spelling error could be a simple case of auto-correction gone awry or just fast typing, but poor sentence structure is on the writer. And I hate that I wasted so much off-topic space on this reply, so please forgive me, Internet.
Also, "overrun" is one word.
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I forgive you even though I am unsure if you where poking at me as well in your post. I am not a English major and I know my grammar is far from perfect and online it tends to be aweful. So I appologize to the grammar people as well for my mistakes.
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Screen differences (this was actually a middle ground deciding factor for me because when I first saw the LTE screen it really did blow me away) and most of the other minor differences
will have absolutely no impact on the large majority of users day to day experience.
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What is it about the screen that blows you away? The reason I ask is because everyone keeps saying that, and the first thing I noticed when I got mine is that the screen is washed out. For example, if you open up Words with Friends, the tiles all blend together. I came from an Amoled phone (Epic), and contrast wise, looked much nicer. Resolution on the other hand is nice. Colors (despite being a little washed out) are well balanced out of the box. I am guessing that those coming from the OG Evo like the screen, and those coming from Amoled may not as much.
I am keeping the phone though because there are so many other pluses that I like about it.
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What is it about the screen that blows you away? The reason I ask is because everyone keeps saying that, and the first thing I noticed when I got mine is that the screen is washed out. For example, if you open up Words with Friends, the tiles all blend together. I came from an Amoled phone (Epic), and it contrast wise, looked much nicer. Resolution on the other hand is nice. Colors (despite being a little washed out) are well balanced out of the box. I am guessing that those coming from the OG Evo like the screen, and those coming from Amoled may not as much.
I am keeping the phone though because there are so many other pluses that I like about it.
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I can say the screen blows me away for a couple reasons. The colors are awesome, I like the resolution and responsivness of the screen and its easy to see in any light for me.I came from the 3d and I'm impressed lol.
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There is no such thing as "future-proof." It's a term used a lot when talking about computing and I laugh every time I hear it. Twenty years ago, we had hard drives with less capacity than sticks of RAM these days. I can't think of one single detriment to having more RAM. It may use more power, but it gives the OS more space to immediately work with (excuse my ending a sentence in a preposition).
With phone processors finally breaking the 1.0GHz barrier in recent years, the next major milestone should be 2.0GHz. I would personally rather see a 2.5GHz dual-core processor in a phone before a 1.5GHz quad-core. I'm sure app development will one day reach the point where multi-threaded apps are fairly common and those extra cores will be needed, but a higher-clocked dual-core processor is better for most practical applications. Those extra physical cores don't really shine until you're doing some intense processing, which I don't see happening on a phone for quite some time.
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I can say the screen blows me away for a couple reasons. The colors are awesome, I like the resolution and responsivness of the screen and its easy to see in any light for me.I came from the 3d and I'm impressed lol.
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I haven't tried it in the sun yet. That is one thing that was awful with my Epic.
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I haven't tried it in the sun yet. That is one thing that was awful with my Epic.
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Its just as bad on the SGS3 too.
I found this video, as I was comparing the benefits of S3 over an S2.
I thought, that the 4 cores would have made a difference in opening apps and surfing with the browser.
But there is hardly any difference??
Do you think, that the developers will work towards the 4-core processors or not?
I think it will take another few years, till the quadcore will be used appropriately. Till then, the S3 will be replaced by newer models.
As sad as it is, most probably quadcore development will start as soon as apple decides using quadcores.
What do you think about this video? And what benefits are left to buy the S3 if everything is the same?
Pointless. This video was posted weeks ago.
I have come to a similar conclusion, quad core seems to offer no real benefits (that I can see) over dual core. My HTC one s, is much smoother and quicker than my gs3. We're it not for the fantastic screen I would keep the HTC. I can't see one possible benefits to quad core at this time.
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I found this video, as I was comparing the benefits of S3 over an S2.
I thought, that the 4 cores would have made a difference in opening apps and surfing with the browser.
But there is hardly any difference??
Do you think, that the developers will work towards the 4-core processors or not?
I think it will take another few years, till the quadcore will be used appropriately. Till then, the S3 will be replaced by newer models.
As sad as it is, most probably quadcore development will start as soon as apple decides using quadcores.
What do you think about this video? And what benefits are left to buy the S3 if everything is the same?
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i dont agree with u on that. S2, no doubt is still among the top phones in the world but not after release of S3! S3 has quad core, it opens apps in almost double the time it used to open on my s2 or even Note! as far as the development for the quad core is concerned, samsung is a pretty mean and biased manufacturers when it comes to taking the crown in almost any field! they would not let any smartphone beat their flagship at least until the release of S4! what i found after using my S3 for 4 days is that quad cores of s3 are actually not fully unleashed until now, thats the reason samsung is not giving out new roms with real good performance boosts! samsung is working on providing the best possible roms and updates to the s3! it would not leave its flagship alone! i did exactly everything the guy in the video was doing and i find my s3 much faster than his! and btw, i have not rooted or flashed the phone at all untill now! its just out of the box rom!
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I have come to a similar conclusion, quad core seems to offer no real benefits (that I can see) over dual core. I can't see one possible benefits to quad core at this time.
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Totally agree.
well as android move forward, google will have no choice but to add 4 core support in jelly bean
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Yeah the OP is right Quad-Core is useless lets ditch the Quad, Hex core CPU and lets go back to the good old E5300.
I can't believe people, honestly.
Regardless if the SII is slower or not....being a dual core up against a brand new quad core.....the SII is a bad ass.
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Yeah the OP is right Quad-Core is useless lets ditch the Quad, Hex core CPU and lets go back to the good old E5300.
I can't believe people, honestly.
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No one is saying that. It's just useless for this generation until software starts actually being able to use it in the future.
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No one is saying that. It's just useless for this generation until software starts actually being able to use it in the future.
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Yep this is what I was saying.
I think the 2GB RAM and maybe LTE would have been more effective for this generation, than the quadcore. The Koreans are rumored to have both Perks
dont agree with u on that. S2, no doubt is still among the top phones in the world but not after release of S3! S3 has quad core, it opens apps in almost double the time it used to open on my s2 or even Note! as far as the development for the quad core is concerned, samsung is a pretty mean and biased manufacturers when it comes to taking the crown in almost any field! they would not let any smartphone beat their flagship at least until the release of S4! what i found after using my S3 for 4 days is that quad cores of s3 are actually not fully unleashed until now, thats the reason samsung is not giving out new roms with real good performance boosts! samsung is working on providing the best possible roms and updates to the s3! it would not leave its flagship alone! i did exactly everything the guy in the video was doing and i find my s3 much faster than his! and btw, i have not rooted or flashed the phone at all untill now! its just out of the box rom!
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Oh is your S3 faster than the one in the Video?
SGS2 - 800x480 = 384,000 pixels
SGS3 - 1280x720= 921,600 pixels
what you tits don't realize is that the SGS3, with it's magnificent 720p resolution screen, has to push a whopping 2.4x more pixels than the SGS2 - making the quad-core vital in providing a fast, fluid and buttery smooth experience - which surpasses even the SGS2 (with its ****ty resolution) making it an even more impressive feat in engineering.
It simply blazes past devices with similar screens and resolution and makes them seem laggy (Gnex, Note, One X)
Hence, the SGS3's main feature isn't merely it having a quad-core processor, it's actually utilizing that quad-core processor to provide a the fastest, most seamless and unmatched user experience at such a high resolution.
I like poketnow, but I do think this video and the whole notion of the s3 being as fast as the s2 is wrong in my opinion I got my s3 a few days ago, and I still have and use my s2 clocked at 1.4ghz, and it is defiantly more laggy and slower. Web rendering was so much faster and smoother (although it was just as smooth as GB used to be on the s2 before Samsung screwed up ICS for the s2), and opening the same cpu intensive apps put the s2 to shame. Yes when opening things like the phone, or messaging app there was no difference and I won't expect them to be, as how it opens instantaneously on my s2 anyway, so there is so room for speed improvements. Also, I remember sites saying there wasn't much difference between the s1 and s2 speed wise when the s2 came out, and looking back now the s2 feels sooo much faster than the s1 simply because there are a lot more complicated and cpu intensive apps compared to a year ago. In other words I do think my s3 is much faster than my s2.
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I have come to a similar conclusion, quad core seems to offer no real benefits (that I can see) over dual core. My HTC one s, is much smoother and quicker than my gs3. We're it not for the fantastic screen I would keep the HTC. I can't see one possible benefits to quad core at this time.
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Really? It seems people have very different perceptions. My previous phone the Qualcomm S4 HTC One X stuttered like someone on withdrawal from heroin so I went to try all the HTC One X and One S display models I could to see if it was just my handset. It wasn't and the One S was also a stuttery mess.
Funny how different perceptions can be.
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what you tits don't realize is that the SGS3, with it's magnificent 720p resolution screen, has to push a whopping 2.4x more pixels than the SGS2 - making the quad-core vital in providing a fast, fluid and buttery smooth experience - which surpasses even the SGS2 (with its ****ty resolution) making it an even more impressive feat in engineering.
It simply blazes past devices with similar screens and resolution and makes them seem laggy (Gnex, Note, One X)
Hence, the SGS3's main feature isn't merely it having a quad-core processor, it's actually utilizing that quad-core processor to provide a the fastest, most seamless and unmatched user experience at such a high resolution.
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Dude save it.....I mean give me a break. If this is no the most blatant fan boy post I have ever read. The SGS3 is still pushing 720p to a pentile display....compared to SGS2s super amoled plus..... Its a great phone but compared to the OneX its only marginal in most areas. Nobody said the SGSII was better....just how comparable it is. To top it off I have read many posts that say the quad core does get shuttters so save it...that wasn't no BLAZING SPEED they were just showing in the video.....lay off the pipe.
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In all honesty, anything the sg3 can do, the s2 can. Its a jump in performance, but the s2 is already pretty fast. The only reason I'm upgrading will be lte capabilities.
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Dude save it.....I mean give me a break. If this is no the most blatant fan boy post I have ever read. The SGS3 is still pushing 720p to a pentile display....compared to SGS2s super amoled plus..... Its a great phone but compared to the OneX its only marginal in most areas. Nobody said the SGSII was better....just how comparable it is. To top it off I have read many posts that say the quad core does get shuttters so save it...that wasn't no BLAZING SPEED they were just showing in the video.....lay off the pipe.
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It seems as if you're in denial. The SGS2's chipset got a similar resolution pentile screen and that lagged like no tomorrow. the quad core in the GS3 was necessary to make the experience lag free.
And the SGS3 is quite a bit faster and smoother than the One X (Tegra3 - i haven't used the krait one). Try loading up NOVA3 on both, or browsing the web, or anything for that matter.
Note: i'm not discounting the fact that the One X isn't a great phone. It has it's points that best the SGS3 but speed and smoothness is clearly NOT one of them.
I've had both One X devices. AT&T branded and the International version. I also had the GS2 International. The GS3 (Quad Core), hands down, blows them all away as far as performance goes.
Milliseconds starting apps etc doesn't matter, what matters is the Smoothness. The S3 is far more smoother then s2! Someone who tried cm9,is it smoother / faster then stock.?
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It's probably better to post this in the SII section where more people will agree with and not have to argue about it here. The people who are here not to troll are likely going to get an SIII anyway, no matter how good the SII is. Same goes for One X supporters. It's fair to make informed comparison, but don't be an authority over other people choices. Wasn't there already a dedicated thread for comparison:
Official Reviews, Previews and Comparisons as they come thread
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In all honesty, anything the sg3 can do, the s2 can. Its a jump in performance, but the s2 is already pretty fast. The only reason I'm upgrading will be lte capabilities.
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It can't record video with the same quality lag- free.
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Hi, I am looking for a highen tablet and the two that are considered the "best" are the Google Nexus 10 and the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1. 60% of the time that I will be using this tablet is going to be for android app development and quick reference, ie googling a question. The other 40% is mostly going to be used for school and sometimes games . Any ideas which one I should get? Thanks.
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Hi, I am looking for a highen tablet and the two that are considered the "best" are the Google Nexus 10 and the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1. 60% of the time that I will be using this tablet is going to be for android app development and quick reference, ie googling a question. The other 40% is mostly going to be used for school and sometimes games . Any ideas which one I should get? Thanks.
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Unless you really need the wacom tablet features, for you I'd say the Nexus 10 without any hesitation. The Nexus line has developers as a target audience, and it'll be faster to get Android updates. As far as 10" tablets go, there simply is no better option for development. The higher resolution screen and A15 processor also make it more future proof than the Note 10.1.
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Hi, I am looking for a highen tablet and the two that are considered the "best" are the Google Nexus 10 and the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1. 60% of the time that I will be using this tablet is going to be for android app development and quick reference, ie googling a question. The other 40% is mostly going to be used for school and sometimes games . Any ideas which one I should get? Thanks.
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nexus 10
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As long as you posted it in the n10 forum all the comments will say buy n10 because they already prefered it over other devices, same will happen when you post in the note forum , so the best way to know is to try both by yourself and decide, both are the best in market btw so don't go for anything other than them
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I can't really tell you which is better because both are "good" tablets. Neither is great in my opinion, though for me, I preferred the nexus 10 over the note 10.1 (and I own a note phone).
Reasons: Nexus 10 resolution is fantastic but the contrast compared to a superAMOLED screen is pittiful. Nexus 10 displays blacks like greys. Still, the resolution makes up for it because even with my eyeball one inch from the screen, I cannot see a pixel.
Another negative that nexus is probably not so good for developing is 4.2.1. At least half my apps crash on the nexus, or are simply not optimized for the crazy high resolution. While developing for 4.2.1 would be smart, keep in mind that most devices are still on ICS or gingerbread still. When I go to an app in the market half of the 1 star reviews are from people saying it crashes on xxx device running 4.0/2.3 android.
So pick you poison. Luckily the note 10.1 can be found on "deals" for less than the $500+ nexus 10.
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I can't really tell you which is better because both are "good" tablets. Neither is great in my opinion, though for me, I preferred the nexus 10 over the note 10.1 (and I own a note phone).
Reasons: Nexus 10 resolution is fantastic but the contrast compared to a superAMOLED screen is pittiful. Nexus 10 displays blacks like greys. Still, the resolution makes up for it because even with my eyeball one inch from the screen, I cannot see a pixel.
Another negative that nexus is probably not so good for developing is 4.2.1. At least half my apps crash on the nexus, or are simply not optimized for the crazy high resolution. While developing for 4.2.1 would be smart, keep in mind that most devices are still on ICS or gingerbread still. When I go to an app in the market half of the 1 star reviews are from people saying it crashes on xxx device running 4.0/2.3 android.
So pick you poison. Luckily the note 10.1 can be found on "deals" for less than the $500+ nexus 10.
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I pretty agree with this, but my apps don't crash on 4.2.1, none, and nexus 10 costs 400$ and 500$, not only 500$.
I would go for the nexus 10. Better screen, better support, fast updates, and no stupid Samsung UI. Oh and the nexus has one of the newest exynos processors.
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no stupid Samsung UI.
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The "pure Google" thing is getting funny. What could possibly be better about having less features rather than more? Back in the days of 512K of RAM when SoCs were slow and overlays crude, poor performance drove people to AOSP/AOKP and de-bloated custom ROMs. That's not really the case anymore. The h/w is now more capable than the UI and apps running on it.
I played with a friend’s N10 over the holidays and, feature wise, it was a barren wasteland compared to the Note. The phone UI on a 10" tablet is bizarre. Similarly he was amazed at what the Note could do that his N10 couldn't. The N10 has a faster SoC than the Note but when you factor in the PPI it's pushing and that memory bandwidth is hard-partitioned to support the display it's certainly not any faster. And with app incompatibility because of the resolution some apps behave poorly or don’t work at all.
The Note has IO accessories available to match the N10's ports, takes up to a 64GB exFAT SD card for expansion, has an IR port, larger speakers than the N10, and gets significantly better battery life and charges 1/3 faster. It also doesn't have light bleed. Without question the N10 will get updates ten times faster than the Note. But so what, it'll still do 1/3 of the things the Note can do right now. It'll just be Google's barren OS with updates. I've disabled Google Now because I don't use any of their native apps that it depends on to harvest data and for some reason it thinks I work at a McDonalds because I stop at one frequently. As a value-priced consumption device with a great display the N10's a solid choice. For people interested in creating and managing content the Note's a better choice. Its 147PPI display is fine for pics and videos and doesn't require upscaling like the N10's display does. It's obviously not as good for text and computer generated content like the UI and that's a compromise you have to make to get the additional features. So for people looking for something beyond consumption I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the Note. It's already sold 5MM units and I'd be surprised based on its limited distribution if the N10's sold 1MM.
OP, if the things in this video mean anything to you consider the Note. If all you care about is consumption and the display the N10's a better choice.
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The "pure Google" thing is getting funny. What could possibly be better about having less features rather than more? Back in the days of 512K of RAM when SoCs were slow and overlays crude, poor performance drove people to AOSP/AOKP and de-bloated custom ROMs. That's not really the case anymore. The h/w is now more capable than the UI and apps running on it.
I played with a friend’s N10 over the holidays and, feature wise, it was a barren wasteland compared to the Note. The phone UI on a 10" tablet is bizarre. Similarly he was amazed at what the Note could do that his N10 couldn't. The N10 has a faster SoC than the Note but when you factor in the PPI it's pushing and that memory bandwidth is hard-partitioned to support the display it's certainly not any faster. And with app incompatibility because of the resolution some apps behave poorly or don’t work at all.
The Note has IO accessories available to match the N10's ports, takes up to a 64GB exFAT SD card for expansion, has an IR port, larger speakers than the N10, and gets significantly better battery life and charges 1/3 faster. It also doesn't have light bleed. Without question the N10 will get updates ten times faster than the Note. But so what, it'll still do 1/3 of the things the Note can do right now. It'll just be Google's barren OS with updates. I've disabled Google Now because I don't use any of their native apps that it depends on to harvest data and for some reason it thinks I work at a McDonalds because I stop at one frequently. As a value-priced consumption device with a great display the N10's a solid choice. For people interested in creating and managing content the Note's a better choice. Its 147PPI display is fine for pics and videos and doesn't require upscaling like the N10's display does. It's obviously not as good for text and computer generated content like the UI and that's a compromise you have to make to get the additional features. So for people looking for something beyond consumption I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the Note. It's already sold 5MM units and I'd be surprised based on its limited distribution if the N10's sold 1MM.
OP, if the things in this video mean anything to you consider the Note. If all you care about is consumption and the display the N10's a better choice.
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Just like stock doesnt work for you, Touchwiz simply doesnt work for others. Some dont like it because its ugly, some dont like it because it introduces compatibility problems with apps (a really big concern for this post considering OP is a dev), some dont like them because they slow down the device (more so with Motorola's skins). The only advantage I see with Touchwiz over stock is the multiwindow stuff, and then its nothing that others, be it Google themselves or devs here, couldn't replicate.
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Just like stock doesnt work for you, Touchwiz simply doesnt work for others. Some dont like it because its ugly, some dont like it because it introduces compatibility problems with apps (a really big concern for this post considering OP is a dev), some dont like them because they slow down the device (more so with Motorola's skins). The only advantage I see with Touchwiz over stock is the multiwindow stuff, and then its nothing that others, be it Google themselves or devs here, couldn't replicate.
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It also has S-Pen features, but as you said, it really goes both ways.
Also, it's not a question of "can" they do it. It's more of a question of "will" they do it. Just because Google or some dev "can" replicate it, doesn't mean it'll come to the N10.
I'm not siding with either one here, but they both have their merits and faults.
As for app development, I'd think the N10 is a better choice for you mainly because it'll be up to date software-wise for a long long while and you can continue to develop apps.
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Just like stock doesnt work for you, Touchwiz simply doesnt work for others. Some dont like it because its ugly, some dont like it because it introduces compatibility problems with apps (a really big concern for this post considering OP is a dev), some dont like them because they slow down the device (more so with Motorola's skins). The only advantage I see with Touchwiz over stock is the multiwindow stuff, and then its nothing that others, be it Google themselves or devs here, couldn't replicate.
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You're absolutely right - it's a matter of individual choice. With h/w having reached the state it has performance increases are measured in milliseconds. For people that are more interested in benchmarks and picking up 1/10 of a second in screen transitions than actually getting stuff done a Nexus device is an excellent choice. By the time you add (if they exist) non-integrated third party apps from developers ranging from excellent to sketchy to replicate the Note's features you have as much (if not more) bloat on it and the apps don't work as well together. Can you wireless transmit content from your N10 to any HDMI-equipped output device? By the time Miracast reaches critical mass the N10 III will be out. Someone above mentioned Nexus as a developers platform. Those days are gone too. With value-based starting prices for the N4/N7/N10 of $299/$199/$399 respectively and a decidedly lower focus on build quality Nexus is now a mainstream consumer product with its lead feature being price/value. The GN which was a revered device on XDA only sold 750K copies. That sort of says something about what's really important to making a device commercially successful and being “pure” and getting “fast updates” doesn’t seem to be it.
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The GN which was a revered device on XDA only sold 750K copies. That sort of says something about what's really important to making a device commercially successful and being “pure” and getting “fast updates” doesn’t seem to be it.
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The GN was banned at least once in the US from my knowledge, and given the short lifespan of smartphones, it's only natural that the GN was already superseded by the imminent S3.
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I pretty agree with this, but my apps don't crash on 4.2.1, none, and nexus 10 costs 400$ and 500$, not only 500$.
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Nexus 10 16GB is $444 with shipping & tax, Nexus 10 32GB is $553 with shipping and tax.
I got mine on a "deal" from staples because I had a $10 off coupon and shipping was free. After tax it was still $533. Google charges tax to every state in USA as far as I know, except the states without a sales tax. New Hampshire?
As for apps crashing... HDhomerun 2 crashes constantly, chrome has completely locked up my device, and other apps just randomly force close. I've only had the device for 2 days and its running completely stock. I know that over time things will crash less so i'm not complaining a whole lot. But its quite annoying.
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The GN was banned at least once in the US from my knowledge.
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It was banned very late in its lifecycle when sales were already down to a trickle because better spec'd devices had been out for a while. The point that I was making is that the GN was available at subsidized prices similar to other phones with overlays from the U.S. carriers. Its "pureness" and "fast updates" didn't sway mainstream consumers for it to have sold so poorly during its peak selling period. Outside of XDA, people like overlays because they make devices easier to use which is why the OEMs offer them.
Here's an article talking about it...
Google just can't catch a break with its Nexus phones. While the "pure Google" experience of the company's Nexus phones tends to generate fanatical loyalty from extreme Android frothers, it seems to appeal to almost no one else. In a federal court today, a Samsung lawyer said the sales of its latest Galaxy Nexus phone were "so miniscule" that it isn't a threat to anyone. Samsung's lawyers said the company took in about $250 million from the Galaxy Nexus during the first two quarters [where revenue is in the billions] it was on sale. That isn't nothing, but it's far short of a hit. Available on Verizon, Sprint, and in an unlocked model for T-Mobile and AT&T, the Nexus managed to sell at about the level of T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G when it had its two best quarters. It fell far short of a hit like Sprint's Epic 4G or Verizon's Fascinate, according to court documents from Samsung's big California patent case against Apple.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2408712,00.asp
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It was banned very late in its lifecycle when sales were already down to a trickle because better spec'd devices had been out for a while. The point that I was making is that the GN was available at subsidized prices similar to other phones with overlays from the U.S. carriers. Its "pureness" and "fast updates" didn't sway mainstream consumers for it to have sold so poorly during its peak selling period. Outside of XDA, people like overlays because they make devices easier to use which is why the OEMs offer them.
Here's an article talking about it...
Google just can't catch a break with its Nexus phones. While the "pure Google" experience of the company's Nexus phones tends to generate fanatical loyalty from extreme Android frothers, it seems to appeal to almost no one else. In a federal court today, a Samsung lawyer said the sales of its latest Galaxy Nexus phone were "so miniscule" that it isn't a threat to anyone. Samsung's lawyers said the company took in about $250 million from the Galaxy Nexus during the first two quarters [where revenue is in the billions] it was on sale. That isn't nothing, but it's far short of a hit. Available on Verizon, Sprint, and in an unlocked model for T-Mobile and AT&T, the Nexus managed to sell at about the level of T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G when it had its two best quarters. It fell far short of a hit like Sprint's Epic 4G or Verizon's Fascinate, according to court documents from Samsung's big California patent case against Apple.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2408712,00.asp
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I thought it was much earlier, but regardless, you're right in that fast updates and pureness don't sell. But I sincerely doubt that hardware itself is also what makes sales soar. Yeah, the S3 sale is simply outstanding, but I'm sure the majority of S3 owners only bought the S3 because it's something new (among the iPhones) and because they "heard" from nearly everywhere that it's a smartphone that can compete well against the iPhone. And yes, the hardware helps with that definitely, but the majority don't care if it has an Exynons 4412 SoC inside clocked at 1.4 gHz.
What I consider as the best reason for poor Nexus sales is that Google just sucks at advertising. I never saw once in my life a billboard or a TV commercial about the Galaxy Nexus on it. I only knew about it because I like tech and try to keep up with what's new. I see Google doing a better job with the recent Nexus line though, but now that Samsung has gained so much popularity with its own flagship line, people are going to keep their eyes on any new pure Samsung products (the S4 and Note III).
So how does this relate to the OP - it really doesn't .
I will have to agree that anything in the Nexus line is a better developer platform. Yes, it's commercialized as an average consumer product, but the long support from Google will give it the advantage in development because you can continue to develop apps without having to worry about breaking compatibility in newer devices. Also, you won't have to deal with ROM ports that may work but also may also not work completely.
Google Nexus 10 or Note 10
I think that is one hard question to ask? I think Galaxy Note 10 is really awesome phablet, i mean, tablet if you really like writing or drawing stuff on the go, but the size can be the problem if you want to carry it to public area.
So maybe you should pick up Note 5.5-inch instead.
Google Nexus 10 is also one great device, especially with its eye-pleasing screen and fast performance. I also like when Google Earth is run on this device.
Yeah, it's hard question.
Hi all, thank you for your responses. My next question is: I been going to stores looking for the tablets on display, but no luck for finding a Nexus 10. Does it feel cheap? Also from going to the stores, I really like the feature on the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 that has the navigation controls on the bottom left and the toggles/notifications menu on the right, but the nexus has only the navigation controls in the center. Is it bothersome or does it feel normal to use. Note: I have been using an iPhone and iPad for regular use/programming, and I only had contact with an android device at the stores and using the strictly developer use only android tablets at school, they are all 7-inch tablets, and you get in a lot of trouble if you play with them. Thank you, again.
First thing you'll notice is the screen on the N10 is miles better than the Note 10.1. When the Note gets a SAMOLED I'm getting one. Until then the N10 is the better machine. Plus the faster CPU, and they're both Samsung, why would anybody choose a Note 10.1 instead? Only the stylus. So make that your pivot question. Do you need a stylus or not.
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Hi all, thank you for your responses. My next question is: I been going to stores looking for the tablets on display, but no luck for finding a Nexus 10. Does it feel cheap? Also from going to the stores, I really like the feature on the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 that has the navigation controls on the bottom left and the toggles/notifications menu on the right, but the nexus has only the navigation controls in the center. Is it bothersome or does it feel normal to use. Note: I have been using an iPhone and iPad for regular use/programming, and I only had contact with an android device at the stores and using the strictly developer use only android tablets at school, they are all 7-inch tablets, and you get in a lot of trouble if you play with them. Thank you, again.
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The Nexus certainly does not feel cheap. The plastic has an almost rubbery feel, not at all cold like metallic tablets and not rigid or creaky like most other Android tablets. IMO its one of the best feeling tablets out there.
The buttons on left, notifications on right are how things were done on Android tablets from 3.0 through 4.1. The new layout doesn't quite feel as natural in landscape, but it was done in the name of consistency with phones and probably is the right move for the future. While Samsung might stick with the traditional layout, there's also a very good chance that in a future firmware update the Note 10.1 could adopt the N10's button layout. I wouldn't say its bad, far from it. The old layout is just a little more comfortable, since if you're holding your tablet with both hands you dont have to let go on one to do something (home/back/etc.).
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The Nexus certainly does not feel cheap. The plastic has an almost rubbery feel, not at all cold like metallic tablets and not rigid or creaky like most other Android tablets. IMO its one of the best feeling tablets out there.
The buttons on left, notifications on right are how things were done on Android tablets from 3.0 through 4.1. The new layout doesn't quite feel as natural in landscape, but it was done in the name of consistency with phones and probably is the right move for the future. While Samsung might stick with the traditional layout, there's also a very good chance that in a future firmware update the Note 10.1 could adopt the N10's button layout. I wouldn't say its bad, far from it. The old layout is just a little more comfortable, since if you're holding your tablet with both hands you dont have to let go on one to do something (home/back/etc.).
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Thanks, from my knowledge, the Nexus 10 has two pull down menus from the top, is this correct? And what is each one? Also, Does any one know if there is a rom/mod that enables the old layout? Thanks, again.
I wish I had an iphone. All I have is a galaxy s6 and the LG g5 doesnt look too good. If it was a iPhone e it would be Considered great. Who how is better android of apple and shy?
It's subjective, they both have pros and cons.
I prefer Android as it offers more freedom and customization. IPhone lacks any kind of customization and with the very limited color selection, you end up with the exact same phone and layout as half the planet. The lack of homescreen widgets is also a negative.
The only real benefits to an IPhone, for me, are that Apple doesn't cater to carriers and let them bloat the phone with their bloatware/custom UI's, which leads to the second benefit of immediate updates. I also like that they support all bands, so you don't need to buy a new device when jumping carriers.
There is no best with phones. There is only better for you. Some users (like myself) prefer android. It allows me to customize and do things I cannot on the iPhone. Some users love the UI of iOS and love how simple it is and hate android because of how complex it can be. I find the best way to make a ex iPhone user happy with android is to go Nexus. It is similar in simplicity and provides a familiar ease. My wife just did that and she hated android before but not loves it with her Nexus 5X.
Really it depends on the person. These debates can be irrelevant and get heated for no reason because people will argue points that are better for them and not the other person in the debate. I find as time passes the gap between iOS and android is closing in. The non-stock android devices are becoming closer to stock and slimming down their skins and it is helping iOS users to come over. I have owned a lot of iOS and Android devices (see my signature) but eventually I find the iPhone to be boring and want more features. But once again the features that I use and the features that you use will differ so there is no reason for me to state android is better.
I do think that Apple really needs to shake up the market. They have been dry the last couple of years and allowed android to take off with the market. They could easily lock up the market permanently if they just add some of the features android users love (quick charge, front facing speakers, slimmer bezels, larger batteries, wireless charging and the list goes on)
This is my unbiased opinion, hope it helps
If you wish you had an iPhone, get an iPhone.
joshuadjohnson22 said:
There is no best with phones. There is only better for you. Some users (like myself) prefer android. It allows me to customize and do things I cannot on the iPhone. Some users love the UI of iOS and love how simple it is and hate android because of how complex it can be. I find the best way to make a ex iPhone user happy with android is to go Nexus. It is similar in simplicity and provides a familiar ease. My wife just did that and she hated android before but not loves it with her Nexus 5X.
Really it depends on the person. These debates can be irrelevant and get heated for no reason because people will argue points that are better for them and not the other person in the debate. I find as time passes the gap between iOS and android is closing in. The non-stock android devices are becoming closer to stock and slimming down their skins and it is helping iOS users to come over. I have owned a lot of iOS and Android devices (see my signature) but eventually I find the iPhone to be boring and want more features. But once again the features that I use and the features that you use will differ so there is no reason for me to state android is better.
I do think that Apple really needs to shake up the market. They have been dry the last couple of years and allowed android to take off with the market. They could easily lock up the market permanently if they just add some of the features android users love (quick charge, front facing speakers, slimmer bezels, larger batteries, wireless charging and the list goes on)
This is my unbiased opinion, hope it helps
If you wish you had an iPhone, get an iPhone.
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Everyone that I know says that their iphone is better. The iphone does look nice and it is faster and doesn't lag or get stuck like android phones do. It also has better features and I would buy one but i can't afford the iphone.
Dgball40 said:
Everyone that I know says that their iphone is better. The iphone does look nice and it is faster and doesn't lag or get stuck like android phones do. It also has better features and I would buy one but i can't afford the iphone.
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It doesn't matter what "everyone" says... I know a lot of people who would disagree with your "everyone". By the statement you made and my comment above , clearly if they own an iPhone then they prefer iOS to android and it is better for them. But it does not mean it is better for everyone. My 6P and my wife's 5X do not have any lag. In fact I had more lag on my iPhone 6 than I have on these devices. So you may buy an iPhone and still get frustrated with issues. My wife's iPhone had issue after issues which led her to get an android after everything lagged and would crash.
Well either save up and buy one or sell your phone and buy an older iPhone. I do not get the point of this thread if you asked for which is better but then you stated you have already made up your mind. This thread is irrelevant now unless your plan was to public state how you think iOS is better. I have owned many iPhones in my life and I have never had a better phone than my 6P. It is crazy fast and handles any task I toss at it. Future android phones will be similar.
EDIT: oh @Dgball40 I will admit that the S6 is a laggy mess with horrible battery life so if you are judging your android experience on that phone try a real phone.
joshuadjohnson22 said:
These debates can be irrelevant and get heated for no reason because people will argue points that are better for them and not the other person in the debate..
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This guy nailed it.
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