Just got my GT from Staples last night and its not unlocked. From what I have read it is completely random if you get one that is locked or not.
So is it worth it to return for another when there is a good chance that one will be locked as well?
Since the locked one can be rooted is this even necessary?
Thanks all
Raistlin1 said:
Just got my GT from Staples last night and its not unlocked. From what I have read it is completely random if you get one that is locked or not.
So is it worth it to return for another when there is a good chance that one will be locked as well?
Since the locked one can be rooted is this even necessary?
Thanks all
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You can root, flash kernels and roms with a locked tab. I personally dont think it would be worth the hassle. My tab is unlocked but i wouldnt have cared either way honestly.
You don't need an unlocked one. It really makes no difference at all. I have a locked 32 gig t I've done just about everything with. Flashed roms, kernels, rooted just fine with no issues at all.
Totally not worth it (yet?) as you can do everything on both versions. But check to see if there is any other defect.
I also have a locked one and used it to try a few kernels / roms now. everything worked fine.
Just install CWM. Don't return it.
IMO, locked puts you at much greater risk of winding up in a bricked state that you can't recover from.
uhhh staples, my tablet has a problem
Sorry about that what is the problem?
The bootloader is locked.
What?
I cant hack it well.
What?
I want a replacement.
Uhhhh, sir, what is the problem?
The bootloader is locked.
And what does that mean?
I want to hack it, but if its unlocked, its slightly harder for hacking. Just a bit.
Im sorry, but we cant replace it if nothings wrong with it.
atticusmas said:
uhhh staples, my tablet has a problem
Sorry about that what is the problem?
The bootloader is locked.
What?
I cant hack it well.
What?
I want a replacement.
Uhhhh, sir, what is the problem?
The bootloader is locked.
And what does that mean?
I want to hack it, but if its unlocked, its slightly harder for hacking. Just a bit.
Im sorry, but we cant replace it if nothings wrong with it.
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Wow, you typed that entire imaginary conversation without even knowing that BestBuy will accept a return or exchange for any reason or for no reason at all. If you want to return a Tab because the bootloader is locked, that's perfectly within your rights under their policy.
Thanks everyone, I probably would just say that the battery is draining quickly or that screen randomly turns off, just like many people have reported about this tablet.
But going through all of that and then ending up with one that is also locked would suck, then due to karma, I may get one that has one of the problems I claimed my original one had...
Hi, I've just unlocked the bootloader but I had no idea that in that way Icant get OTAs, also I've had a little error with the tablet so I wanna ask for the warranty, is there any way to relock the bootloader? or at least a way to hide the "the device is unlocked" text?
once you unlock theres no going back and don't worry bout ota's the developers here gets all the new updates and puts them into the roms.
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once you unlock theres no going back and don't worry bout ota's the developers here gets all the new updates and puts them into the roms.
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the thing is that I want to ask BestBuy for the warranty for a problem I found with the tablet and if they see that it's unlocked they wont change it to me, so I was wondering if I can hide the "the device is unlocked" text so they dont notice it
nop, you can't. There's warnings all over while unlocking, they are there for a reason.
If it's a hardware only issue, you can RMA it to ASUS, but make sure to be very specific that it is a hardware only issue and tell them no when they ask about resetting the software. I just did this for lcd mura (bright spots on the screen, very noticeable on a white screen)
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I was just wondering if there was any way to change or remove the ugly "Unlocked" text from the top of the boot screen on a phone with an unlocked bootloader? Its kinda bugging be lol. Any help would be appreciated!
JVital2013 said:
I was just wondering if there was any way to change or remove the ugly "Unlocked" text from the top of the boot screen on a phone with an unlocked bootloader? Its kinda bugging be lol. Any help would be appreciated!
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Not really sure. Besides, the unlocked text is kindof a sign of bragging rights. Is it not? :good:
Haha you have a point. A cool plus would be to change the boot logo itself to say "unlocked" smoother. Then again, I'm probably asking for too much like normal
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Haha you have a point. A cool plus would be to change the boot logo itself to say "unlocked" smoother. Then again, I'm probably asking for too much like normal
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Changing the image is one thing but I've never heard of chaging texts.
So what is Bump? I understand its a "bootloader workaround", but i just dont see how it works? If you were to boot into the bootloader, would it say ***UNLOCKED*** or ***LOCKED***? I really don't get it, how do you simply bypass it? lol, is it worse than a full unlock? If so, then how? Someone explain this to me, I cannot find anything on Google and the lack of information is driving me insane considering I'm going to be doing this tomorrow and usually know exactly what I'm getting into.
To rant on a bit more....I really just don't understand it, I'm big on my personal thought of how my phone is so the potential of it being "LOCKED" still really disturbs me for unknown reasons. But I realize that isn't really the important thing, still just wanna know what it is. I also don't understand how you can do things and still have a locked bootloader to begin with, so if someone could explain that to me (in the case its still locked), that would be fantabatastical!
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So what is Bump? I understand its a "bootloader workaround", but i just dont see how it works? If you were to boot into the bootloader, would it say ***UNLOCKED*** or ***LOCKED***? I really don't get it, how do you simply bypass it? lol, is it worse than a full unlock? If so, then how? Someone explain this to me, I cannot find anything on Google and the lack of information is driving me insane considering I'm going to be doing this tomorrow and usually know exactly what I'm getting into.
To rant on a bit more....I really just don't understand it, I'm big on my personal thought of how my phone is so the potential of it being "LOCKED" still really disturbs me for unknown reasons. But I realize that isn't really the important thing, still just wanna know what it is. I also don't understand how you can do things and still have a locked bootloader to begin with, so if someone could explain that to me (in the case its still locked), that would be fantabatastical!
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Since LG and Verizon both lock their bootloaders there is no "Official" way to unlock the bootloader. You can't even boot to bootloader. There is just no such thing. Bump is a work around to get TWRP installed without unlocking the bootloader.
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NBreunig3 said:
Since LG and Verizon both lock their bootloaders there is no "Official" way to unlock the bootloader. You can't even boot to bootloader. There is just no such thing. Bump is a work around to get TWRP installed without unlocking the bootloader.
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I found the thread for the devs and now I understand it, basically allows you to sign images that the BL will allow, so its pretty much just as good as a BL unlock. Neat!
For those who are bothered by the whispers of the QFUSE blowing with a Unlocked or Locked Bootloader :
You can :
Unlock and Re-lock the Bootloader with the stock out the box - The QFuse will say ENABLED
Wipe the system Partition - AKA no android OS installed and Lock and Re-lock - The QFuse will say ENABLED
Flash the Factory images Manually ( Boot / Bootloader / Radio / System / Userdata / Cache / Vendor ) - The QFuse will say ENABLED
The Finger Print Scanner IS NOT disabled with an unlocked boot loader or Rooting.
Current root has allowed me to run - Adblock plus and Root Explorer ( paid )
Flashed TWRP and rooted and left bootloader unlocked Qfuse is still enabled.
what happens when you unlock and flash a custom recovery?
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The QFuse is actually an array of different bits that control several different things on the device. In this case, we're talking about the Qualcomm secure boot fuse, which is actually blown at the factory (hence it always being enabled) to prevent an insecure bootloader from being run. It does not track any modifications to the phone other than that, so whatever you decide to do, the bootloader will always read the same thing. I think people are confusing this with Samsung Knox, which is specifically made for tracking modifications and storing them for warranty purposes.
I found this information that's a couple years old, but presumably still accurate:
Much of Qualcomm's security architecture is implemented using QFuses, which are software-programmable fuses that allow one-time configuration of device settings and cryptographic materials such as hashes or keys. Because of their physical nature, once a QFuse has been blown, it is impossible to "unblow" it to revert its original value.
If the FORCE_TRUSTED_BOOT QFuse is blown, as is the case on all production Motorola devices, each stage of the boot chain is cryptographically verified to ensure only authorized bootloader stages may be run. In particular, the PBL ("Primary Bootloader"), which resides in mask ROM, verifies the integrity of the SBL1 ("Secondary Bootloader") via a SHA1 hash. Each stage of the boot chain verifies the next stage using RSA signatures, until finally Motorola's APPSBL ("Application Secondary Bootloader"), "MBM", is loaded and run.
http://blog.azimuthsecurity.com/2013/04/unlocking-motorola-bootloader.html
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So, as kibmikey1 says, it would seem the Qfuse has nothing to do with unlocking the bootloader. It's just a way to set cryptographic keys in the hardware for verifying the authenticity of the bootloader, in a manner that makes it impossible to change the keys. In other words, once the fuse is blown the keys can't phyically be changed or overwritten. Presumably Google has the key and can sign new bootloader images correctly, so that when there is an update to the bootloader it will be verified properly by the chipset.
One has to wonder, how did the rumor start about the Qfuse being a way of tracking bootloader unlocks?
cb474 said:
I found this information that's a couple years old, but presumably still accurate:
So, as kibmikey1 says, it would seem the Qfuse has nothing to do with unlocking the bootloader. It's just a way to set cryptographic keys in the hardware for verifying the authenticity of the bootloader, in a manner that makes it impossible to change the keys. In other words, once the fuse is blown the keys can't phyically be changed or overwritten. Presumably Google has the key and can sign new bootloader images correctly, so that when there is an update to the bootloader it will be verified properly by the chipset.
One has to wonder, how did the rumor start about the Qfuse being a way of tracking bootloader unlocks?
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The Internet that's why, people who are afraid of trying to root who don't know anything spread the rumors.
Deemed as a good excuse not to root or scare others off.
Have you tried to use Android Pay while rooted? Curious if it really does cause the cards not to read (since a workaround is needed to even add cards to begin with)
I'm curious about just unlocking the bootloader and the status of Android Pay?
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Anyone's Nexus imprint flaky after bootloader unlock? About 80% of the time when I place my finger on the sensor, it wakes up to the lock screen (waiting for pin code I set up). Other times it wakes/unlocks to home screen. The only thing I have done is unlocked the bootloader and installed my apps via play store..
I have even started to disable apps that could interfere like Cerberus, but it does not seem to have any affect..
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Anyone's Nexus imprint flaky after bootloader unlock? About 80% of the time when I place my finger on the sensor, it wakes up to the lock screen (waiting for pin code I set up). Other times it wakes/unlocks to home screen. The only thing I have done is unlocked the bootloader and installed my apps via play store..
I have even started to disable apps that could interfere like Cerberus, but it does not seem to have any affect..
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Nope, mines identical to before unlocking , try re adding your finger print
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italia0101 said:
Nope, mines identical to before unlocking , try re adding your finger print
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Hmm ok thanks! Guess I'll live with it until after I root/twrp and flash a new rom.
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Anyone's Nexus imprint flaky after bootloader unlock? About 80% of the time when I place my finger on the sensor, it wakes up to the lock screen (waiting for pin code I set up). Other times it wakes/unlocks to home screen. The only thing I have done is unlocked the bootloader and installed my apps via play store..
I have even started to disable apps that could interfere like Cerberus, but it does not seem to have any affect..
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If you use an app that turns off the screen, this will happen. I made the same mistake and restored the 'Screen Off' app.
I have since uninstalled it and locks my phone with the power button exclusively. Not as convenient, but I really like the Imprint
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If you use an app that turns off the screen, this will happen. I made the same mistake and restored the 'Screen Off' app.
I have since uninstalled it and locks my phone with the power button exclusively. Not as convenient, but I really like the Imprint
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haha you know what, I just realized that as I was sitting down to check this thread again. Ironically your post nailed it.
one7dchevy said:
haha you know what, I just realized that as I was sitting down to check this thread again. Ironically your post nailed it.
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Same here
av8rdude said:
I'm curious about just unlocking the bootloader and the status of Android Pay?
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Don't mean to hijack as imprint is different, but I'm interested in a definitive response on this also. As of 12 hours ago, I hadn't been able to locate this info. I've read that unlock disables Pay, but I'm not sure that was from a non-rooted user. On N5 L, Android Pay works with unlocked bootloader. So, has anyone been able to use Pay on non-rooted, unlocked 6P?
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My 6P's bootloader is unlocked. I haven't changed anything else (stock recovery, unrooted., etc) and Pay works fine for me.
nkornbau said:
My 6P's bootloader is unlocked. I haven't changed anything else (stock recovery, unrooted., etc) and Pay works fine for me.
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You've used Pay, not just added cards with the unlocked bootloader?
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nkornbau said:
My 6P's bootloader is unlocked. I haven't changed anything else (stock recovery, unrooted., etc) and Pay works fine for me.
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Thanks for the post. I will ask the same question: you've actually used it?
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msaly said:
You've used Pay, not just added cards with the unlocked bootloader?
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ritchea said:
Thanks for the post. I will ask the same question: you've actually used it?
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I have paid with it several times now, without issue.
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I have paid with it several times now, without issue.
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Thanks.
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Pay doesn't work once you rooted if I'm not mistaken.