Demo model? - LG G Watch

Update: nevermind, I've ordered it somewhere else
The LG G Watch is on sale just about everywhere at the moment where I live, but almost everywhere it's out of stock. A shop near me has a demo model so I wonder, if I can get it cheap, is it worth it? Can I expect problems with it?
As far as I know, the screen does not burn in. It is constantly plugged in, so the battery should be ok as far as I know. Ofcource I'll check for scratches, etc. But what else should I look at?

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[q] need help fast, lcd looks as if its broken???

I just recently purchased a Samsung Galaxy S2 from eBay, the seller stated that the LCD screen was "very dark" and not quite working right. When I received the phone it was far more then "very dark", half of the screen looks as if the LCD is leaking out or has been broken? The digitizer is mint and works and the phone its self is in AMAZING shape. NO scratches or chips or anything. It honestly looks brand new. I even tested the battery for usage and its showing up that this battery IS indeed brand new. Like I said it is mint so there is no possible way this phone was dropped. My first guess was a ROM issue, but I just noticed you can see the screen defect without the phone even being turned on. So what I am thinking is water damage. I read all over online about people having problems with there screens going black, this might also be the case. If it is water damage, does anyone know EXACT locations of indicators on the phone? I looked in the battery compartment and found nothing what so ever. I want to sell this thing today, (just received it in the mail) I need the cash so I was hoping someone would be able to point me in the right direction?? I uploaded photos below, the second one is with the phone turned off, the reflection is from my computer. For reference, it is the Samsung Galaxy SII 19100, with Bell Canada. Thanks in advanced!
I'm no expert but does not look like something you can fix yourself I'm afraid.
Send it back I say.
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send it back to whoever sold it
you kinda got scammed there, imho
See Im trying to figure out if the LCD was broken by physical damage or if this has happened before to people, because if its a manufacturing issue I can just send it back to Samsung and they will fix it no problem as long as this was caused on their part. If it WAS broken by the ebay seller, I might be better off buying a new lcd and installing it myself. I only paid $200CAD so it would be worth keeping if all thats wrong is the LCD. But like I said I would rather Samsung do it, lol its free.
Galaxy19000M said:
See Im trying to figure out if the LCD was broken by physical damage or if this has happened before to people, because if its a manufacturing issue I can just send it back to Samsung and they will fix it no problem as long as this was caused on their part. If it WAS broken by the ebay seller, I might be better off buying a new lcd and installing it myself. I only paid $200CAD so it would be worth keeping if all thats wrong is the LCD. But like I said I would rather Samsung do it, lol its free.
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Scratch that, the LCD is almost $200. Not worth buying and fixing. But does anyone know if this could be classified as a manufacturing issue? I can just send it in if it is?
anybody at all?? I just want to confirm that this could be a manufacturing issue, theres no water damage and the screen is not cracked from a drop any ideas would be awesome. I might just try to send it in to Samsung just to see what happens.

[Q] My Prime finally croaked. [Return help!]

This was the tablet my family got me for my birthday. For January. I preordered and received it sometime after.
It worked fine, then few trouble everyone had showed up; I thought I'd be fine.
I forgave it when it had Bluetooth problem and GPS signal problem.
Then Wi-Fi gets lost, I have screen bleeding on top; I'm fine with that.
Green camera I got it too, then my tablet reads and writes so slow I sat 30 minutes one time waiting for my Winamp (or any music player for that matter) to boot... It was still usable.
Now USB connector won't read (I tried plugging to 3 different PC; no success. They used to work before) and now it refuses to update to JellyBean. It refuses to read my MicroSD card also now.
Sure I rooted, and certainly I dropped it once. If dropping it once from waist height causes all this problem (I had green camera problem little after), I'm gonna have to say I can't swallow my pride anymore.
I'm thinking about returning this thing to Amazon and ask for full refund at this point. I don't want to be stuck with RMA hell most people faced and I want something that just works.
Now, I also have ACH on this... I also read some people were able to get full ACH refund for this; is this true?
I also have a cover and Skinomi on this; have anyone tried returning accessories also? How did that go?
...overall, only question I have is this.
Did I wait too long on return?
On phone with Amazon right now...
First they told me they had option to replace my tablet with new one.
I was okay with that, but then they told me they can't do that anymore.
I'm okay with that so I asked for refund. They sent me labels and now I'm working on returning accessories.
They are currently transferring me to 3rd Party Specialist so I can return the accessories also.
(Attempting to return the case, AHD Insurance, and the Skinomi)
Only thing I would feel bad for I guess is the screen protectors. Skinomi is best protector I bought indeed...
It still looks good through all the possible wear and tear I put through;
Regular GNexus screen protector I bought with Verizon fell apart once and I had to replace it;
Phone is younger then the tablet to make matters worse lol
I'll keep you guys posted but this made me realize few things:
1. I need to buy more from Amazon (lol)
2. Skinomi is definitely worth the money
3. I don't know if I can trust Asus anymore after Prime failed on me this hard.

Help my LCD cracked!

I'm in school right now and go to pull out my phone from my pocket and my screen wouldn't turn on. I come to see little hairline cracks on my screen but not on my glass which is odd. Now my phone turns on but the screen itself is just dead. I am rooted and running a rom so what should I do? Please help me!
dr_g_baby said:
I'm in school right now and go to pull out my phone from my pocket and my screen wouldn't turn on. I come to see little hairline cracks on my screen but not on my glass which is odd. Now my phone turns on but the screen itself is just dead. I am rooted and running a rom so what should I do? Please help me!
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If you dont have insurance I'd start googling and find a replacement.
civiksi said:
If you dont have insurance I'd start googling and find a replacement.
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Is there any way I can get rid of root and wipe my phone because I called Samsung and they said to send my phone in and will fix it
dr_g_baby said:
Is there any way I can get rid of root and wipe my phone because I called Samsung and they said to send my phone in and will fix it
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Here's a link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2265477
And here's a youtube video. Prob the same process.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TMuVMbxi8c
Good luck bro
OK, If you're not insured then you need to look at this video by Erica Griffin. Yes, this is for the GS3 but it really shouldn't be any different for the GS4. Her Vid on YouTube shows you how to replace the screen with digitizer and using all of the other parts from your current phone. It's actually a good video to see just so you know how easy this stuff is to do. The screen w/digitizer seems to run around $200 which is way better then $500-600 to buy a new phone outright. Just remember, I'm just giving you a cheaper option to fix it if you don't have insurance.
Replacement video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB4iC8i_t5w
NY Mobile Parts Ebay store
http://www.ebay.com/sch/ny-mobile-parts/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
Edit: I was getting the links while you posted sammy will fix.
Well if Sammy will fix it just go that route then.
Eric214 said:
OK, If you're not insured then you need to look at this video by Erica Griffin. Yes, this is for the GS3 but it really shouldn't be any different for the GS4. Her Vid on YouTube shows you how to replace the screen with digitizer and using all of the other parts from your current phone. It's actually a good video to see just so you know how easy this stuff is to do. The screen w/digitizer seems to run around $200 which is way better then $500-600 to buy a new phone outright. Just remember, I'm just giving you a cheaper option to fix it if you don't have insurance.
Replacement video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB4iC8i_t5w
NY Mobile Parts Ebay store
http://www.ebay.com/sch/ny-mobile-parts/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
Edit: I was getting the links while you posted sammy will fix.
Well if Sammy will fix it just go that route then.
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They claim that as long as they can't prove that the cracks were from impact there shouldn't be a problem. I'm afraid they might screw me over. But i mean the glass is completely fine and my sides have small nicks from previous small drops. im gonna try to unroot and wipe tomorrpw after school
My screen blacked out a week ago but been too busy to deal with it. Display comes through MHL onto my TV display so wonder do I need all parts mentioned? There's no crack in my display, but to my surprise the "moisture detector" sticker is tainted red (the big visible one, as I understand there are multiple stickers -- can someone confirm this to be correct?).
I may just take a risk and request replacement over the phone. Once or more in the past, I've had a warranty period issue replaced with the warning "...if its determined to be your fault, we will charge you the full retail price" and I've sent them bootloader unlocked, watermarked phones and they let it slide. There truly was no submersion or even open case exposure to water, I'm not sure how sensitive this particular sensor is to humidity or moisture through an enclosed back.
Anybody else surprised to see their "watermark" turn red when they feel it should not have been? From past experience having phones replaced via phone support, I'd wager they take my rooted, broken-display phone and never charge me for it.........................I been with VZW a decade and a half and then Bell Atlantic Mobile and planned in about 220-250 consistently for nearly a decade.........I'm not saying VZW is prone to show courtesy for longevity, but this could be 3-4 such instances in the smartphone era of questionable watermarks of rooted and flashed-to-hell Blackberries including blatant cracks...............
dr_g_baby said:
They claim that as long as they can't prove that the cracks were from impact there shouldn't be a problem. I'm afraid they might screw me over. But i mean the glass is completely fine and my sides have small nicks from previous small drops. im gonna try to unroot and wipe tomorrpw after school
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Very quick review of the Nokia 7.1

Hello all,
I just received my 7.1 and thought I'd just give everyone some quick impressions. The "Blue" color is almost black it's so dark. Not a deal breaker for me but it's darker than I expected.
It feels good. Solid. The screen is pretty good as well and bright enough to be usable in direct sunlight. Not Samsung bright but good.
It seems pretty snappy overall but I'm used to using an S8+ and an Essential PH-1 (the PH-1 has battery issues that Essential won't fix so the 7.1 is it's replacement) which are both very quick phones. It's not slow by any means I'm just used to super fast.
I've spent most of the afternoon getting it setup and installing apps and only used about 40% of the battery but got three hours of SOT so that seems somewhat promising.
Played with the camera just a bit. The pic I posted is straight out of the camera.
It came on the September security patch and no updates are available as of yet.
It's bare bones Android as expected but there are a couple of settings that I can't find one being how to enable the battery percentage in the status bar. I've enabled System UI Tuner and it's not in there or in any of the Battery settings that I can find.
And I can confirm that it is a dual sim device and I can enable WiFi calling but it remains to be seen if it will work because I am on AT&T prepaid and pretty sure I don't have it.
It comes with some earbuds a charger and cable in the box.
I really want to put it in a case. I hope some become available soon.
Anyway if anyone has a question I will answer what I can.
I seen a few camera samples before yours, and the pictures look good until you zoom in a little and see that all the detail is gone. Do you think it’s just Nokia’s camera app? I’d like to see how google camera does on this phone.
I don't know what to say about that except the sample on my pc looks much better than the sample here. I can't explain it, but it's plain to see. I would try a gcam version if I can figure out which one seems the most compatible. I can install ProShot and see if that gets better results.
I haven't spent much time with the camera app but I thought it was fine as far as usability goes but then again I'm not all that demanding. I'm more of a point and shoot user.
It's not as good as my S8+ but I really wouldn't expect it to be either for less than half the cost.
If the weather clears up here maybe I'll take the S8 and the 7.1 out and do a comparison.
grumpygoof said:
I don't know what to say about that except the sample on my pc looks much better than the sample here. I can't explain it, but it's plain to see. I would try a gcam version if I can figure out which one seems the most compatible. I can install ProShot and see if that gets better results.
I haven't spent much time with the camera app but I thought it was fine as far as usability goes but then again I'm not all that demanding. I'm more of a point and shoot user.
It's not as good as my S8+ but I really wouldn't expect it to be either for less than half the cost.
If the weather clears up here maybe I'll take the S8 and the 7.1 out and do a comparison.
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Could you upload the same somewhere else that lets you do it lossless?
I'm returning the phone to Amazon. The case situation is ridiculous. Nokia support referred me to a Nokia case that Amazon says "one to three months" wait. When I asked the support rep why Nokia didn't have anything ready at the launch they just referred me back to the Nokia case. The phone is slippery and I've already almost dropped it more than once. I'm returning it before I damage it.
Edit: Bought a Pixel 2 instead which is what I should have done in the first place.
Mmm was thinking of replacing my PH-1 with this. I don't have battery issues but my touch screen is like super fu**ed with ghost touch, flickering, and bad service in my area (switching to att in few weeks). Amazon is willing to give me a full refund but was not sure if I should take it or RMA with Essential for screen.
You just returning the Nokia cause no case options ? Everything else seems to work straight? Obviously anything camera wise can beat the essential so that's why I was looking into 7.1 lol.
grumpygoof said:
I'm returning the phone to Amazon. The case situation is ridiculous. Nokia support referred me to a Nokia case that Amazon says "one to three months" wait. When I asked the support rep why Nokia didn't have anything ready at the launch they just referred me back to the Nokia case. The phone is slippery and I've already almost dropped it more than once. I'm returning it before I damage it.
Edit: Bought a Pixel 2 instead which is what I should have done in the first place.
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Brooklyn8807 said:
Mmm was thinking of replacing my PH-1 with this. I don't have battery issues but my touch screen is like super fu**ed with ghost touch, flickering, and bad service in my area (switching to att in few weeks). Amazon is willing to give me a full refund but was not sure if I should take it or RMA with Essential for screen.
You just returning the Nokia cause no case options ? Everything else seems to work straight? Obviously anything camera wise can beat the essential so that's why I was looking into 7.1 lol.
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Yes I returned it because I'm not comfortable carrying a slippery bar of soap around until someone decides to release a case. The phone itself was fine for what it cost. I almost dropped it a couple of times and if I drop it without a case it's on me. Nokia screwed the pooch here because it's a decent device let down by absolutely no third party support. Nokia can't even deliver their own cases! Those are showing as one to three months to deliver. All the Chinese cases have very vague shipping dates from the middle of November to the Middle of December.
I realize not everyone will feel this way but I decided I would be better off returning it now. I really wanted a Pixel 2 anyway so that's what I did.
The camera was decent and I managed to get a Gcam mod working on it (GCam-5.1.018-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.3b1) but never really got the time to test it out quality-wise.
If you can live with little to no options for a case it's worth the money as far as I'm concerned.
Thanks for the insight man!
I may just order one once I send this PH-1 back then. Ill just get a universal slip in phone case or flipcase from 5below until I'm able to get a case for it then. That or steal otn of my kids Power Ranger socks from the dryer and carry it around like that till end of November.
grumpygoof said:
Yes I returned it because I'm not comfortable carrying a slippery bar of soap around until someone decides to release a case. The phone itself was fine for what it cost. I almost dropped it a couple of times and if I drop it without a case it's on me. Nokia screwed the pooch here because it's a decent device let down by absolutely no third party support. Nokia can't even deliver their own cases! Those are showing as one to three months to deliver. All the Chinese cases have very vague shipping dates from the middle of November to the Middle of December.
I realize not everyone will feel this way but I decided I would be better off returning it now. I really wanted a Pixel 2 anyway so that's what I did.
The camera was decent and I managed to get a Gcam mod working on it (GCam-5.1.018-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.3b1) but never really got the time to test it out quality-wise.
If you can live with little to no options for a case it's worth the money as far as I'm concerned.
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How to know if a phone is refurbished

Hi all! I ordered a phone from ebay and it's supposed to arrive soon. The phone is supposed to be new, but after looking around trying to buy from well known stores that don't have any in stock I'm kind of thinking its not actually new. My Droid Turbo is not doing so hot anymore so it was time for an upgrade. Anyway I'm wondering if there are any ways to tell if a phone is refurbished. I've tried the ##786# on my Turbo and it doesn't do anything (also tried the other variant) so I don't know if that would be a reliable method on the V30+.
I'm sorry to report this, but I don't think you can easily know that. You could take it apart to check for different glue type or an off-brand battery might reveal repairs. Maybe scratch the screen with materials of known hardness to check if it's the correct Gorilla glass hardness. There might be ways to tell if the software/model was changed but I'm new to the LG way of doing things and can't help you with that yet.
I hope I was of help to you.
Hyperbomb64 said:
Hi all! I ordered a phone from ebay and it's supposed to arrive soon. The phone is supposed to be new, but after looking around trying to buy from well known stores that don't have any in stock I'm kind of thinking its not actually new. My Droid Turbo is not doing so hot anymore so it was time for an upgrade. Anyway I'm wondering if there are any ways to tell if a phone is refurbished. I've tried the ##786# on my Turbo and it doesn't do anything (also tried the other variant) so I don't know if that would be a reliable method on the V30+.
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This phone is a great successor to the "Droid Turbo" (the best known of the Moto Quarks). I looked for a year, started this extensive thread in 2017 comparing all the phones available, and narrowed it to the V30.
LG V30/V30+
* 1440P OLED (537 ppi)
* Qi wireless charging
* 3.5mm headset jack
* Quad DAC
* DTS 3D stereo (now on US998, but coming to others)
* IP68 dust/water resistance
* rear camera OIS on normal lens - plus 120 degree wide angle lens
superfast fingerprint sensor
* 64GB (V30) or 128GB (V30+) internal storage
* microSD port for additional storage
* bootloader unlock and root
* no notch
However, you are right that now several sellers on eBay are claiming new in box -- unopened -- but are really refurbished. I ordered V30+ to have another backup -- and instead was sent 64GB V30 in V30+ box, and had a 64GB microSD sim card already inserted . That's' NOT a new V30+ phone. That's a scam attempt to claim "hey there's 128GB storage!". Yeah, the box said V30+, but inside was just V30. So, obviously "refurbished." I got a refund.
scutterflux said:
I'm sorry to report this, but I don't think you can easily know that. You could take it apart to check for different glue type or an off-brand battery might reveal repairs. Maybe scratch the screen with materials of known hardness to check if it's the correct Gorilla glass hardness. There might be ways to tell if the software/model was changed but I'm new to the LG way of doing things and can't help you with that yet.
I hope I was of help to you.
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No problem. I probably won't go as far as taking it apart. I'll just check the IMEI and such and see if I can get any clues. Under heavy use for a few days I should know if its good or not.
ChazzMatt said:
This phone is a great successor to the "Droid Turbo" (the best known of the Moto Quarks). I looked for a year, started this extensive thread in 2017 comparing all the phones available, and narrowed it to the V30.
LG V30/V30+
1440P OLED (537 ppi)
Qi wireless charging
3.5mm headset jack
Quad DAC
DTS 3D stereo (now on US998, but coming to others)
IP68 dust/water resistance
rear camera OIS on normal lens - plus 120 degree wide angle lens
superfast fingerprint sensor
64GB (V30) or 128GB (V30+) internal storage
microSD port for additional storage
bootloader unlock and root
no notch
However, you are right that now several sellers on eBay are claiming new in box -- unopened -- but are really refurbished. I ordered V30+ to have another backup -- and instead was sent 64GB V30 in V30+ box, and had a 64GB microSD sim card already inserted . That's' NOT a new V30+ phone. That's a scam attempt to claim "hey there's 128GB storage!". Yeah, the box said V30+, but inside was just V30. So, obviously "refurbished." I got a refund.
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Yeah I decided on this phone because of your thread in the Turbo forum. I went to see if anyone had any good tips to fix a broken power button and saw the comment you made about the 2019 basically being the end for the Turbo unless I keep running stock marshmallow. So hopefully this phone isn't a pile of junk so I can have something reliable. I guess I'll know in a few hours lol.
Hyperbomb64 said:
No problem. I probably won't go as far as taking it apart. I'll just check the IMEI and such and see if I can get any clues. Under heavy use for a few days I should know if its good or not.
Yeah I decided on this phone because of your thread in the Turbo forum. I went to see if anyone had any good tips to fix a broken power button and saw the comment you made about the 2019 basically being the end for the Turbo unless I keep running stock marshmallow. So hopefully this phone isn't a pile of junk so I can have something reliable. I guess I'll know in a few hours lol.
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Also XDA app truncated my bulleted points in the app view. Just now, I had to go remove the list function and just have asterisks.
So got the phone and so far its come with a screen protector installed and the serial number on the sticker in the back doesn't match whats in the phone. Imei is only off by one number and the phone works on my network. So doesn't appear to be new but it looks like everything is in working order.
The back isn't completely flush with the phone so I'm not sure if it's been opened or if its supposed to be like that.
Hyperbomb64 said:
So got the phone and so far its come with a screen protector installed and the serial number on the sticker in the back doesn't match whats in the phone. Imei is only off by one number and the phone works on my network. So doesn't appear to be new but it looks like everything is in working order.
The back isn't completely flush with the phone so I'm not sure if it's been opened or if its supposed to be like that.
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Return it if you don't feel comfortable with it.
If IMEI one number off, you mean one place has one more or one less number listed on box from firmware view (12 digits one place, 13 digits another)? That's normal. Don't ask me why.
Reality is, many "new" phones in ebay are openbox or refurb/used/like new. From my experience, if you can get a good deal, then getting an open box isnt a big deal. They are basically almost new lol.
But to answer your question, look for evidence of wear such as pocket gunk, screen burn in, stock software/patch level etc.
I would, at least, complain about the phone NOT being brand new. They should offer a discount because they lied. Either way, you also have a case to return the device as it's not as advertised. I'd say get the discount at least... they owe you that much, at least. (I don't know how to do this, but I'd lead with just saying that the device isn't new, and letting them make an offer... others may have better advice.)
schwinn8 said:
I would, at least, complain about the phone NOT being brand new. They should offer a discount because they lied. Either way, you also have a case to return the device as it's not as advertised. I'd say get the discount at least... they owe you that much, at least. (I don't know how to do this, but I'd lead with just saying that the device isn't new, and letting them make an offer... others may have better advice.)
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When I complained, they offered me $45 discount to shut up. I gave them bad review and opened case with eBay. I told them I wanted full refund, but could have taken the $45 and kept the phone.
They gave me full refund, free shipping back and then offered me another $25 to change my review to positive.
ChazzMatt said:
When I complained, they offered me $45 discount to shut up. I gave them bad review and opened case with eBay. I told them I wanted full refund, but could have taken the $45 and kept the phone.
They gave me full refund, free shipping back and then offered me another $25 to change my review to positive.
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You didn't accept that $25, right??
I ended up just sending the phone back. It was clearly refurbished and had no warranty so if it crapped out on me I would've been out of luck. Ended up just buying the LS998 from B&H. More expensive, but at least I know it'll be what I paid for.
Hyperbomb64 said:
I ended up just sending the phone back. It was clearly refurbished and had no warranty so if it crapped out on me I would've been out of luck. Ended up just buying the LS998 from B&H. More expensive, but at least I know it'll be what I paid for.
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Should have checked Swappa!
IshsXda said:
Reality is, many "new" phones in ebay are openbox or refurb/used/like new. From my experience, if you can get a good deal, then getting an open box isnt a big deal. They are basically almost new lol.
But to answer your question, look for evidence of wear such as pocket gunk, screen burn in, stock software/patch level etc.
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Oh god, you couldn't be more than right. After receiving my "brand new" open box V30 from eBay, I found several tiny scratches on one of the corners of the chassis. I took a picture of it and sent it to the seller, and they offered me either to keep the phone with partial refund of $50, or send the phone back for a full refund. Of course I didn't mind it, so I kept it and got $50 back. I regret not bargaining with them though, should've said something like $75 or even $100 instead. Who knows, maybe they'll go with it.
What I'm concerned about the most is whether or not the phone was refurbished or not. If it was, then it would lose its IP water rating.
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schwinn8 said:
I would, at least, complain about the phone NOT being brand new. They should offer a discount because they lied. Either way, you also have a case to return the device as it's not as advertised. I'd say get the discount at least... they owe you that much, at least. (I don't know how to do this, but I'd lead with just saying that the device isn't new, and letting them make an offer... others may have better advice.)
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EXACTLY! When I messaged the seller about those scratches, they told me that there wasn't any scratches when they shipped it to me and tried to imply that it got scratched during shipping. They were obviously lying as the box that it shipped with came intact. I don't like the fact that they were lying, however their newest ads for the V30 now says "may or may not contain small scratches", so I guess they admitted it.

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