I understand the whole approach Android uses to memory management as opposed to Windows etc....
I also found this blurb below
It's important to note that Greenify is not a task killer (which you shouldn't use anyway), and it doesn't "freeze" apps. The apps that Greenify hibernates are still usable if you want to switch to them, and you can still pass data to them as though they were running. When you switch back to them, it's like you never left. Greenify just keeps those apps from launching new background processes (a problem with task killers) and you don't have to unfreeze or thaw an app to use it when you want to (a problem with "frozen apps").
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But here is what I don't understand:
1) Even though it isn't a Task Killer per-say, it sure sounds like an advanced task killer to me. If it is preventing something from starting up, it is killing it.
2) What benefit is Greenify supposed to have? Having all (by all I mean maybe 5 at most) desired apps hibernating, I have 700MB of free memory (using xposed method). If I remove Greenify I have 1.5GB of free RAM. These numbers are with ALL applications already open since boot that I use on a daily basis.
While full memory is not a bad thing in Android, how can it be better having 1 app hog all of the memory vs having 5 apps running in the background using less memory. Can someone shed some further light on this?
mikemikemikexxx said:
While full memory is not a bad thing in Android, how can it be better having 1 app hog all of the memory vs having 5 apps running in the background using less memory. Can someone shed some further light on this?
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If I understand you correctly you're saying that greenify uses a lot of ram? Greenify for me is idling at 5-7 mb of ram all for time.
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If I understand you correctly you're saying that greenify uses a lot of ram? Greenify for me is idling at 5-7 mb of ram all for time.
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Correct, it was literally using around 700Mb. I rebooted to make sure it wasn't a fluke. I removed Greenify, rebooted again and had 1.5Gb free Ram
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Correct, it was literally using around 700Mb. I rebooted to make sure it wasn't a fluke. I removed Greenify, rebooted again and had 1.5Gb free Ram
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Sounds completely weird.
the main benefit of greenify is the point that it prevents apps from starting (they are frozen untill you open them) this way the apps can't force wakelocks and your device kann stay in deepsleep state longer
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Correct, it was literally using around 700Mb. I rebooted to make sure it wasn't a fluke. I removed Greenify, rebooted again and had 1.5Gb free Ram
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As I understand, greenify to me is more to battery saver depends on stopping unwanted and unneeded wakelock when app is Greenified. Also as I understand, when an apps launch or relaunched, it will consume more ram in normal way (without being Greenified).
Try this, its not a solution, more to suggestion. Try use Wake Lock Detector along with Greenify, one app will detect the problem and another will execute an action to prevent "unwanted battery and RAM usage".
Above all, it depends on how and what method of modding you perform on your device.
Its just my logic thought(not black n white proven). Hope it will help us a little.
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But all the settings. It won't let me hibernate the apps before I've completed 10 - 15 settings and there are no explanations to what the settings are. Greentify is totally useless if you're not a techie.
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But all the settings. It won't let me hibernate the apps before I've completed 10 - 15 settings and there are no explanations to what the settings are. Greentify is totally useless if you're not a techie.
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Well - not my experience; defaults work well on most devices. There are brief in-app explainations for many options with expanded material in FAQs, XDA forum and G+ pages. Best consider an iDevice if you need/want handholding; genius bars everywhere.
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How can I do this? I noticed yesterday that my scramble with friends app with only 2 games, was taking up 135Mb RAM. I'm sure there's another issue behind there, but this got me noticing other apps that don't need to always be open and running, but for some reason are. How can I stop these apps from auto launching and running in the background?
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How can I do this? I noticed yesterday that my scramble with friends app with only 2 games, was taking up 135Mb RAM. I'm sure there's another issue behind there, but this got me noticing other apps that don't need to always be open and running, but for some reason are. How can I stop these apps from auto launching and running in the background?
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Just because something is loaded doesnt mean its actually running. Android takes programs that are often used and load them into RAM so that they are ready and waiting when you want to run them. They are then dropped out of memory when that memory is needed for something else. Read up on memory management to get a better idea. If you want to kill it anyways, you can probably just use Titanium to freeze it, but this requires root.
Thanks for the response. I'm rooted and also running RAM manager. It seems that certain programs are taking up my RAM that don't need to be. Another example, words with friends, was in my RAM usage after reboot, and I've never even used this game before. Games like scramble with friends I'd imagine always need to be running or in active RAM since that game has notifications and built in messaging. But I don't need to constantly have that app checking for new data. I tried setting the in app settings to check every few hours rather than 5 minutes, but it was still shown as taking 130MB of RAM usage (though the number is normal now after reboot).
So, it sounds like there is no way.. or what you're saying is more of, no need? I just don't want a bunch of little used apps taking up my active memory.
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Thanks for the response. I'm rooted and also running RAM manager. It seems that certain programs are taking up my RAM that don't need to be. Another example, words with friends, was in my RAM usage after reboot, and I've never even used this game before. Games like scramble with friends I'd imagine always need to be running or in active RAM since that game has notifications and built in messaging. But I don't need to constantly have that app checking for new data. I tried setting the in app settings to check every few hours rather than 5 minutes, but it was still shown as taking 130MB of RAM usage (though the number is normal now after reboot).
So, it sounds like there is no way.. or what you're saying is more of, no need? I just don't want a bunch of little used apps taking up my active memory.
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No real need. Android sees that you use this app a good bit so it preloads it, and it's sitting there in unused RAM untill it's either called upon to run or untill another process needs that RAM that its using.The application is not running and that RAM would otherwise be sitting unused, so there's no need to get rid of it unless it happened to be a suspicious application. This process is what gets alot of folks all wound up about never having enough RAM because they think that almost all of their RAM is being used for running processes when in reality this isn't really true, kinda half true.
Download Autostarts from the Market, it will let you prevent apps from starting automatically.
And what Chief Geek said is true, he's missing a big part of the picture, and I see statements like his all the time. Yes Android does a good job of loading things in and out of memory as needed. However, if there is crap you don't care about coming in and out of memory all the time, then that means Android is going to dump stuff out of memory that you DO care about (browser, games, etc.) So if you have a bunch of extra crap running, that means if you pause a game, check and email, and come back, Android may have released it from memory and you have to wait for it to reload. If you cut back on the things that are constantly running, it will keep more of your apps that you care about in memory longer, meaning when you go back to that game they will be there right away.
The more stuff you can prevent from running the better. I use Titanium Backup to freeze stuff I will never use. I use autostarts to prevent certain apps from running at startup that I don't want to - Maps, Facebook, etc. Doing this gives me tons of extra free RAM which translates to more useful multitasking.
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And what Chief Geek said is true, he's missing a big part of the picture, and I see statements like his all the time.
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I understand where your coming from, as this is a very common argument, but what you didn't mention is your method favors empty/available RAM for multitasking while sacrificing fast launches leading to some folks experiencing a laggy system. I completely agree with freezing the junk as the bloat always seems to have pointless priority, but I feel as once these steps are taken that android does a perfectly fine job of managing RAM. Very rarely do I have to wait for applications to reopen as I'm jumping back and forth between them and never have trouble multitasking. I'm not going to be curt and say your theory is wrong, I'll leave it as just another way of running your device as it certainley has it's merits, but I don't agree that it's for the average user who is more likey to be jumping from one app to another and not back and forth between the same ones needing all the data to be exactly where they left it.
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I understand where your coming from, as this is a very common argument, but what you didn't mention is your method favors empty/available RAM for multitasking while sacrificing fast launches leading to some folks experiencing a laggy system. I completely agree with freezing the junk as the bloat always seems to have pointless priority, but I feel as once these steps are taken that android does a perfectly fine job of managing RAM. Very rarely do I have to wait for applications to reopen as I'm jumping back and forth between them and never have trouble multitasking. I'm not going to be curt and say your theory is wrong, I'll leave it as just another way of running your device as it certainley has it's merits, but I don't agree that it's for the average user who is more likey to be jumping from one app to another and not back and forth between the same ones needing all the data to be exactly where they left it.
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You're misunderstanding what I am saying. I am suggesting to prevent apps you don't care about from getting loaded into memory automatically at startup. By doing that, it means more free memory for the system, which means better multitasking.
My method doesn't sacrifice fast launches at all. If anything, by having more free memory, it means more applications will remain in memory, which equals better multitasking and faster relaunches. Initial launches will be the same either way.
I am NOT suggesting to prevent apps you care about from autostarting - just the crap that you never use nor care about. Maybe that's where you misunderstood me.
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You're misunderstanding what I am saying. I am suggesting to prevent apps you don't care about from getting loaded into memory automatically at startup. By doing that, it means more free memory for the system, which means better multitasking.
My method doesn't sacrifice fast launches at all. If anything, by having more free memory, it means more applications will remain in memory, which equals better multitasking and faster relaunches. Initial launches will be the same either way.
I am NOT suggesting to prevent apps you care about from autostarting - just the crap that you never use nor care about. Maybe that's where you misunderstood me.
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I appologize for the misunderstanding, I assumed that since we were discussing an app that he says he does use that you meant to prevent apps such as this all together. Such is an argument that some make in an attempt to maximize the amount of available unused RAM.
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I appologize for the misunderstanding, I assumed that since we were discussing an app that he says he does use that you meant to prevent apps such as this all together. Such is an argument that some make in an attempt to maximize the amount of available unused RAM.
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I was addressing what he said here:
but this got me noticing other apps that don't need to always be open and running, but for some reason are. How can I stop these apps from auto launching and running in the background?
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But in all honesty, if his app is using 135MB of RAM when doing nothing, it is probably better off being prevented from running in the background entirely. 135MB is less than 1/3 of the free RAM on the system after a fresh boot.
I been using system tuner pro. You can freezes apps stop them from start up. It also has a task manager that you can choose which apps run what you want to kill.you can also exclude apps so if you kill all it will keep the apps you need running like widget locker bln or avast and kill the rest. Also gives you in depth everything on yor phone
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+1 for Autostarts
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+1 for Autostarts
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+2 for Autostarts.
The best by far is Gemini app manager... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.seasmind.android.gmappmgr
long press on the icon of the app to get a menu with an option to disable start up.
And the nice part it has very granular selection of start up permissions.
I recently installed a Rom and the ram is consistently at 700mb can anyone advise me on how to lower this say yo 500 - 600mb.
Also is there a app or task manager that will allow me to decide what apps I want to stay open and what ones close after a pre defined time. Dont know if im thinking ahead with this app
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V6 supercharge and greenify, Google these
Actually it doesn't really matter about RAM...
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Thanks
I gave greenify a go looks pretty promising, once I actually get the hang of it
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Are you managing app auto starts? If not get LBE Security Master and set which apps you want to start up after booting. That will save you some RAM.
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Are you managing app auto starts? If not get LBE Security Master and set which apps you want to start up after booting. That will save you some RAM.
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actually i have been using LEB for a year or so, and only use it as bandwidth monitor ... that function about disable autostart seems is not very working well because my RAM always got over 700+ MB.
but anyway , consider the Android's RAM management which is quite different to Windows , so i am fine with that ...
just my music player get killed frequently which is very annoying !!!
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I recently installed a Rom and the ram is consistently at 700mb can anyone advise me on how to lower this say yo 500 - 600mb.
Also is there a app or task manager that will allow me to decide what apps I want to stay open and what ones close after a pre defined time. Dont know if im thinking ahead with this app
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Freeze some things with titanium backup. Greenify apps you don't need running in the background. I normally always have around 180mb of ram free with widgets on the homescreen, messaging and exdialer in memory, whatsapp, headset manager, google services, quickpic, Facebook notifications etc. Personally not a fan of Swap/ZRam/Supercharger. My best experience has easily been running stock or WanamLite with no tweaks/build.prop edits other than Jkay Deluxe. Also, Perseus kernel has some ram modifications in the kernel so you get an extra 20mb or so of ram
Still do not understand why people want more free RAM; free RAM is doing nothing, while RAM that is being used is caching apps in memory so it can be loaded faster, making a more responsive system. Please research. With that being said, too much RAM usage is not good; about 5% (45mbs on our GS3) should always be left idle.
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actually i have been using LEB for a year or so, and only use it as bandwidth monitor ... that function about disable autostart seems is not very working well because my RAM always got over 700+ MB.
but anyway , consider the Android's RAM management which is quite different to Windows , so i am fine with that ...
just my music player get killed frequently which is very annoying !!!
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If you want more ram then you must setup which apps can launch in the background after startup. These are the apps that eat ram because they begin running by themselves and continue running even if you never use them. Of the 80+ plus apps that I have only 4 of them are allowed to startup on boot.
Hi there ! Today my simple question is how to increase battery life of android mobile ! Please tell me some tips cause I'm tired ?
use a taskkiller to Close unused apps!
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use a taskkiller to Close unused apps!
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Never use a task killer
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- Turn off all unnecessary connections. That includes GPS, NFC, Locationservices, Sync, etc. That alone will save you days.
- Turn off WiFi when you're not using it.
- Greenify all apps before you turn the screen off. Android keeps apps running in the background for quick access, but it eats battery. Yes, greenifying them will mean they take a second longer to open, but it'll save battery life.
- Turn down the brightness. Use LUX to go below 0%. (Which doesn't actually mean the screen turns off.)
- Disable or delete all bloatware, or as much as you can.
- Using a MicroSD? Drop a .nomedia file in every folder that doesn't need to show up in a mediaplayer. (pdf's, comics, etc). You can still open the files through a filemanager, but MediaScanner/Indexingservice won't freeze on them.
- Turn off all unnecessary sensors. Especially if you're using a Samsung, those have quite a lot of sensors.
Is there a way to get NOTHING running in the background?
Maybe you should remove bloatwares using titanium backup im doing this on my galaxy note before. Even on my s2
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You should download du battery saver from playstore
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Is there a way to get NOTHING running in the background?
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Developers options > Limit Background Processes > "No Background Processes".
Remember that this means that if you're writing an email, and you open the browser, the email is gone. If you're listening to music, that's it, you can't do anything else or the music app shuts down.
There is absolutely no need to use task killers or anything like that on an Android. Android is designed to run with apps cached for quick opening of them. And designed to run on little free memory.
As long as apps "behave", it will not affect your battery having them running in background. If the odd app does seem to cause trouble, try using Greenify to hibernate such apps.
Having no apps running will definitely cause more drain for you, as it takes more cpu power to initialize them every time you open them, or the system does. Hence why task killers do more harm than good. :good:
If you have battery issues, it's likely poor reception on data, an inefficient setup or app wakelocks. Use GSAM to see about that.
i have this app but i dont know wich apps to hibernate, because people recommend to hibernate apps that you dont use but i kinda use a lot of apps , and if i use the magisk version can i hibernate apps without missing notifications?
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i have this app but i dont know wich apps to hibernate, because people recommend to hibernate apps that you dont use but i kinda use a lot of apps , and if i use the magisk version can i hibernate apps without missing notifications?
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The only apps that need to be hibernated are those that frequently start or run in the background *and* consume significant resources. This is an infrequent occurrence on Android 6+ as doze keeps most bad actors in check. If you can not identify misbehaving apps there is little benefit to using Greenify.
so not even boost mode with the magisk module will make a difference?
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so not even boost mode with the magisk module will make a difference?
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Just to add to @Davey126's true and clear statement: Most likely not.
As you're obviously using Greenify4Magisk, please allow me to partially quote its OP:
A very simple module just to make Greenify work as a rom-integrated (privileged) app systemlessly (also known as Boost Mode), ...
* Note: You won't get any xposed-side features, since magisk is NOT xposed!
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To ensure not to miss any notification, Greenify needs to run as a Xposed module.
How can you tell that an app constantly restarts in background?
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How can you tell that an app constantly restarts in background?
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Check to see if it (or related processes) are running and, more importantly, consuming excess resources. Built in tools are a starting point including the often ignored/maligned Android battery 'app' and the 'running processes' gadget usually located under developer options. Don't kill everything you see; just because it has a pulse doesn't mean it has to die (or be hibernated).
Can you name a third party root-free most reliable tool for telling how much energy apps drain?
I would be glad to know if apps are consuming excess resources but this is not told by the onboard android 7 tools I know of. If I go to battery more settings the most usage shows to be from android OS, bluetooth (headphones) and screen. Still making full (and probably excessive) use of tools like brevent or greenify does make the battery graph flatten noticeably.
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Can you name a third party root-free most reliable tool for telling how much energy apps drain?
I would be glad to know if apps are consuming excess resources but this is not told by the onboard android 7 tools I know of. If I go to battery more settings the most usage shows to be from android OS, bluetooth (headphones) and screen. Still making full (and probably excessive) use of tools like brevent or greenify does make the battery graph flatten noticeably.
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Built in tools are more than adequate but if you prefer 3rd party give GSAM a whirl as I find it easier to use than BBS (Better Battery Stats). Some also like Accubattery; too much flash and dash for my tastes. Good luck.
My background apps are killed way too often. Is it possible to change that behaviour? Even music apps are killed while I'm playing music.
I have tried several custom roms and kernels but nothing seems to change the settings. Is either able to change RAM management settings?
I have also tried several apps that claim to be able to change RAM management settings without success.
Disabling battery optimisation doesn't help.
I have uninstalled unused apps and disabled autostart (boot completed receiver) for non-essential apps to reduce RAM usage.
When I use a RAM monitor it will show RAM usage at ~75% when apps are killed.
My old phone (Note 4) only had 3 GB ram but could still keep more apps in memory.
I don't have that problem.
Have you tried Greenify or similar app to hibernate unwanted apps running in the background? They will only open then when being used and will automatically hibernate again when closed.
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I don't have that problem.
Have you tried Greenify or similar app to hibernate unwanted apps running in the background? They will only open then when being used and will automatically hibernate again when closed.
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That's the reverse of what I'm looking for. I want the apps in the background to keep running.
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That's the reverse of what I'm looking for. I want the apps in the background to keep running.
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Then you misunderstood what I wrote. Read it again.
It's exactly what you want, because then apps you don't want running won't take up your RAM and kick off the apps that you do want running. Like your flashlight app should NOT be running the background all the time. One example. Lots of devs think their apps are most important and should always run in the background, so when you "launch" them they are there instantly.
Like I said, I don't have your issue. My apps I WANT running stay running.
If you hibernate the UN-wanted apps, that will give more freedom to apps you DO want running in the background.
There are other apps besides Greenify which may do that task even better, it's just the most well known. It shows you complete list if apps running in the background and you can choose which you WANT to run and which you want to stay killed until you choose to activate them. Those apps will be forced hibernated from then on -- until you manually activate them. When you close them, they will STAY closed and not run in the background sucking up your RAM. It also allows you to go through your entire inventory and decide yes/no. For instance, weather widget, email, yes. Benchmarking app, NO.
Worth a try. Installed Greenify and added most apps with ignore background-free.
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Worth a try. Installed Greenify and added most apps with ignore background-free.
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I even hibernate alleged background free apps, just in case.
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Lots of devs think their apps are most important and should always run in the background, so when you "launch" them they are there instantly.
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VERY TRUE!
This always infuriated me, not just on phones, PCs too, all the way back to the DOS days. An obsession with running in the background, as if it's particularly clever. :cyclops:
I've also found that turning off battery optimization for apps I don't want killed helps. I've had the same experience with music and podcast apps getting killed in the background and turning off their battery optimization usually fixes it.
There are some simple things to try that do not require any special apk's. One is to look in the apps section of the "Developer options" sub-menu. The default settings work well in most instances. Perhaps you accidently enabled closing of apps when a background limit has been reached or have ticked force closure of apps on exit.
Another place to look is in the "Power saving exclusions" sub-menu in the Battery settings. Music makes some boring forms of exercise less tiresome and provides additional motivation for activities that are challenging but fun (mountain biking). The music should not stop, but it might for default settings. Enabling a power saving exclusion for your music app will keep it running.
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Then you misunderstood what I wrote. Read it again.
It's exactly what you want, because then apps you don't want running won't take up your RAM and kick off the apps that you do want running. Like your flashlight app should NOT be running the background all the time. One example. Lots of devs think their apps are most important and should always run in the background, so when you "launch" them they are there instantly.
Like I said, I don't have your issue. My apps I WANT running stay running.
If you hibernate the UN-wanted apps, that will give more freedom to apps you DO want running in the background.
There are other apps besides Greenify which may do that task even better, it's just the most well known. It shows you complete list if apps running in the background and you can choose which you WANT to run and which you want to stay killed until you choose to activate them. Those apps will be forced hibernated from then on -- until you manually activate them. When you close them, they will STAY closed and not run in the background sucking up your RAM. It also allows you to go through your entire inventory and decide yes/no. For instance, weather widget, email, yes. Benchmarking app, NO.
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Been using Greenify for a bit now and doesn't seem to help much. It shows a bunch of hibernated apps but multitasking is still nearly impossible.
I had assumed the problem was related to the Mem Free settings rather than actual free memory but no one here has mentioned it. Is that because no one else thinks it's the problem or maybe I have misunderstood what those settings do?
I thought apps were free to use as much memory as they want until certain thresholds on total memory usage were met, then the system would ask or force apps to release memory.
Apps that let you edit those settings usually shows several thresholds where the system gets progressively more aggressive at freeing memory as memory is running out. But they all look hopelessly out of date so maybe it works completely differently today?