Ok so let me begin with saying that I am done with Sprint. The 5.0 update was the last straw for me. Anyway I have two Sprint M7's that are rooted and s-off. Is there really a difference in hardware between them or can I change CIDs/MIDs perhaps flash a TMO RUU and get them to work or will I be simply bricking them and making them unsellable?
Obviously I'd like to keep them because I don't want to buy new phones right now but if I can't I can't. I was just thinking the hardware it self would be the same.
Thanks,
MG
moregadget said:
Ok so let me begin with saying that I am done with Sprint. The 5.0 update was the last straw for me. Anyway I have two Sprint M7's that are rooted and s-off. Is there really a difference in hardware between them or can I change CIDs/MIDs perhaps flash a TMO RUU and get them to work or will I be simply bricking them and making them unsellable?
Obviously I'd like to keep them because I don't want to buy new phones right now but if I can't I can't. I was just thinking the hardware it self would be the same.
Thanks,
MG
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While they are the same in many ways they are different in their radios (CDMA vs GSM) and their partition tables. The different partition tables is what will brick your phones if you try to run RUU's and firmware. About the only thing you can do is unlock the SIM and put in a T-Mobile SIM to get 3G but no 4G or LTE. You check this out here.
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While they are the same in many ways they are different in their radios (CDMA vs GSM) and their partition tables. The different partition tables is what will brick your phones if you try to run RUU's and firmware. About the only thing you can do is unlock the SIM and put in a T-Mobile SIM to get 3G but no 4G or LTE. You check this out here.
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Many thanks for the information. Ultimately I guess I'll just pick up a couple of used devices on swappa and move my Sprint devices the same way.
Thank you again.
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I can't seem to find an up-to-date tutorial on performing this process. I found some from mid-2009, but people are commenting that *228 doesn't work, this thing doesn't work anymore, that thing doesn't work anymore. Has anyone done this process recently?
I am trying to get this phone onto Verizon without a data plan since I will just be using wifi.
As far as I know, Sprint phones are GSM, VrzWls are CDMA. Totaly different frequencies. It is impossable (without an enginering degree and a lot of solder) to make one work on the others towers.
Sprint phones are not GSM they are CDMA
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As far as I know, Sprint phones are GSM, VrzWls are CDMA. Totaly different frequencies. It is impossable (without an enginering degree and a lot of solder) to make one work on the others towers.
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There are a lot of people on these forums that have done it - I just can't find concise up-to-date directions.
have you tried loading a verizon prl on the phone? i have my sprint tp on pageplus, which is a verizon mvno, and it wouldn't program ota until i loaded the prl.
I have not tried loading anything yet. I am still looking for directions that are not from 2008. Also, I have no interest in custom roms at this point. I simply want the Sprint phone to work on the Verizon with the least amount of work.
martyxng said:
I have not tried loading anything yet. I am still looking for directions that are not from 2008. Also, I have no interest in custom roms at this point. I simply want the Sprint phone to work on the Verizon with the least amount of work.
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Step 1. Grab your phone and take it to a Verizon store to have it activated on their network...
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There are other things that you can do manually, but since the only thing you are interested in is to have the phone working for a different carrier, then that is all you need to do.
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There are a lot of people on these forums that have done it - I just can't find concise up-to-date directions.
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The only true part about Thelgord's statement is that Verizon is a CDMA network. Please don't pay attention at anything else in that statement.
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Step 1. Grab your phone and take it to a Verizon store to have it activated on their network...
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There are other things that you can do manually, but since the only thing you are interested in is to have the phone working for a different carrier, then that is all you need to do.
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What? I thought Verizon wouldn't do that. Plus, don't I need to convert radios and such from Sprint to Verizon?
I'll be visiting India for a month and would like to use my Fascinate with a local carrier while I'm there and continue with Verizon once I get back. Do I have to unlock the phone? Is it possible? and how?
I have used GSM phones successfully over there in the past but this is my first CDMA phone, so I don't know much about it.
I found this, but don't know if it is Sprint specific.
TIA.
Not very likely. CDMA phones can't be unlocked nearly as easily as GSM phones, if at all. You have to basically flash a new radio ROM that will work with whatever CDMA carrier you are going to be using the device on. I would search around and see what you can find, by my personal searching points to no.
our phones don't use a sim card, so it's highly unlikely you could use it over there. however, verizon offers loaner phones for out of country use.
If the carrier will allow flashed phones, the fascinate is as simple as it gets. Flash mip and all other information along with prl using qpst build 323. Then plash ppp for 3g using build 215. Yeah, it's that simple.
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If the carrier will allow flashed phones, the fascinate is as simple as it gets. Flash mip and all other information along with prl using qpst build 323. Then plash ppp for 3g using build 215. Yeah, it's that simple.
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Thanks, I didn't understand half of it but I'll Google it up
If I do all this, will I be able to use my phone with Verizon once I get back?
Heh; semi-derailing of topic and food for thought.
A co-worker of mine has a vibrant (T-mobile). Apparently you can flash GSM to CDMA and vice versa, but it breaks a lot of stuff
Note: I said 'flash' - I didn't say anything about it working. Your phone will boot though and it'll look like that version you flashed... but it don't work.
This is why you search before bricking (I'm a bit over novice with software and got outta brick mode with a little help from here).
Welllll....basically you just flashed a CDMA ROM maybe, because flashing GSM radio information to a CDMA device(which I doubt would even work) would most certainly brick your radio.
Pretty sure the CDMA radio on the Fascinate will NOT work on the other major CDMA carrier which is Sprint, and the Fascinate will definitely NOT work with GSM carriers such as AT&T and T-Mobile. Although, it is entirely possible to flash to another minor carrier such as MetroPCs or Cricket, with special instructions of course.
Hey guys, I'm a noob, please don't hurt me
I'm an American living in Japan and I just bought my first smart phone...the EVO 3D (3G) for AU by KDDI...I'd post a link, but I'm not yet allowed.
Their non-3G network was CDMA...so I assume that their 3G is also CDMA....can anyone confirm that?
Under that assumption (CDMA), we're still waiting for ICS, so I'm wondering what you'd all recommend I upgrade my phone to while I wait. I'm not a fan of the stock Android 2.3 that came on the phone, and I'd really like ICS....but if there is something I could use now, that might be fine with me.
Also, what are the basic steps I need to follow, I found the sticky thread in the dev forum, but I'm not sure what stickies would apply to my situation. I'm guessing I'd have to start with a root kit, and go from there....but please fill in the gaps, thanks
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Hey guys, I'm a noob, please don't hurt me
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Is there evidence to confirm that ''noobs'' have been mentally assaulted for asking questions on this forum?
Just being playful after watching the required "noob" registration video
Lol I see.
Chances are that you will not be able to activate any CMDA phone from overseas on a network here in the USA. The big networks like verizon and sprint will not allow foreign IMEI numbers to be submitted to their system for activation.
Do you happen to know what frequency the cdma network you came from runs on? Look behind the battery
miahallen said:
Hey guys, I'm a noob, please don't hurt me
I'm an American living in Japan and I just bought my first smart phone...the EVO 3D (3G) for AU by KDDI...I'd post a link, but I'm not yet allowed.
Their non-3G network was CDMA...so I assume that their 3G is also CDMA....can anyone confirm that?
Under that assumption (CDMA), we're still waiting for ICS, so I'm wondering what you'd all recommend I upgrade my phone to while I wait. I'm not a fan of the stock Android 2.3 that came on the phone, and I'd really like ICS....but if there is something I could use now, that might be fine with me.
Also, what are the basic steps I need to follow, I found the sticky thread in the dev forum, but I'm not sure what stickies would apply to my situation. I'm guessing I'd have to start with a root kit, and go from there....but please fill in the gaps, thanks
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When I had AU by KDDI when I was living in Japan is was CDMA. As far as I am aware the Japanese version wasn't able to be rooted using the CDMA methods here in the development forum. Also the ROMs here would not work on your device and would actually need to be slightly modified to include files from your device to work, but you don't have an ICS ROM to use for replacing files.
私のEVO 3Dから送信される。
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Chances are that you will not be able to activate any CMDA phone from overseas on a network here in the USA. The big networks like verizon and sprint will not allow foreign IMEI numbers to be submitted to their system for activation.
Do you happen to know what frequency the cdma network you came from runs on? Look behind the battery
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I don't need to use it in the states...I live in Japan
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When I had AU by KDDI when I was living in Japan is was CDMA. As far as I am aware the Japanese version wasn't able to be rooted using the CDMA methods here in the development forum. Also the ROMs here would not work on your device and would actually need to be slightly modified to include files from your device to work, but you don't have an ICS ROM to use for replacing files.
私のEVO 3Dから送信される。
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Thanks Dastin, I guess I'll have to wait for something official
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I don't need to use it in the states...I live in Japan
Thanks Dastin, I guess I'll have to wait for something official
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That's kind of the conclusion I came to, after running through all the different root/unlock methods, I came across issues in every single one, and my skill / confidence isn't high enough to really make a go at figuring it out.
Only thing I haven't really attempted is downgrading from hboot 1.5 to 1.4, partially because my software version is different from the instructions, and soft bricking the phone makes me nervous considering the potential incompatibilities.
I think our phone is more or less the same as the sprint phone, just on the Japanese frequency. I'm hoping that the sprint announcement means we will also be getting ICS soon... but who knows
Had a Rezound from Asurion running 4.03.605 and Hboot 2.27. All was well. Left Los Angeles on 12/21. Arrived the next day in the Bay Area on 12/22. And since then? Not able to make or recive a call. All else works: 4G, internet, texting. Just calls. On the phone with Verizon for 1 hour, resettting all data info to my account and phone, no luck. Two hours in store getting new SIM and resetting system...no luck. Another Asurion replacement sent....new SIM card and THE SAME THING! Issue was escalated to Verizon networking team and I spent two hours on the phone yesterday trying to determine issue. Now if the SIM card and all matching items (IMEI) matched up, it should all work, right? The same SIM card was put into two different rezounds...one rooted, one not (fresh out of box) and neither could make a call. The tech finally stated that the software on the phones was the global leak of 4.03 and not a release authorized by Verizon...my reaction - "What?" The tech went so far as to suggest installing the last global leak - 4.05 and new radios and see what happens. Did just that...AND STILL NOTHING. Phone is perfect. Just no phone. Call goes out, connects, then lost. Same for incoming. No one seems to have a solution except blaming the phone software, tower differences between here and L.A....on and on. I find it all BS....because if the plder 4G SIMS are not compatibile, wouldn't many people across the USA have issues? So I come to ask for some of your thoughts. I am plagued right now. Have lost income due to my lack of access and reachability. And being two months shy of my anniversary for an upgrade, the great Corporation will not budge and get me a new working phone. This is a nightmare. I only imagine that as soon as I get back to Los Angeles, the phone will "miraculously" work again.
FYI: I had my original Rezound running 4.05 and Hboot 2.28 back in July 2013...came to the same trip LA->Bay Area. Never had a problem.
Thanks for your time all!
New Sim and different phone with same issues really points to the issue being with the carrier... Not much you can do unfortunately.
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New Sim and different phone with same issues really points to the issue being with the carrier... Not much you can do unfortunately.
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Thanks, ace. Try geting Verizon to understand that...now that's the a whole other issue. Wish me luck!
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Thanks, ace. Try geting Verizon to understand that...now that's the a whole other issue. Wish me luck!
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ust outta curiosity...do you have data roaming and everything enabled under mobile network settings...that would be my only guess....if not then yes it is verizon...the fact that on 2 seperate phones there is an issue is what gives it away...there is a leaked hboot and radios of hboot 2.28 and the 2.23 radios but idk if this will help your issue
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ust outta curiosity...do you have data roaming and everything enabled under mobile network settings...that would be my only guess....if not then yes it is verizon...the fact that on 2 seperate phones there is an issue is what gives it away...there is a leaked hboot and radios of hboot 2.28 and the 2.23 radios but idk if this will help your issue
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Of the two phones I have in my possesion, one is total stock 4.03.605.....wiped it clean. No calls. The other phone I hacked with Hboot 2.28 and the current radios + 4.05 software....still nothing. A lot of what the senior tech told me is that no phones use those big old SIM cards anymore. Heck, he couldn't even find ONE store that a similar phone I could swap my SIM into in order to see if a call could be made. 1 week now with no phone and no restitution from Verizon. All they want to do is seed me to the Edge program. No dice. I'm fighting this to the end It's clear as day this problem is WAY beyond my control or the phones....all on VZW.
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Of the two phones I have in my possesion, one is total stock 4.03.605.....wiped it clean. No calls. The other phone I hacked with Hboot 2.28 and the current radios + 4.05 software....still nothing. A lot of what the senior tech told me is that no phones use those big old SIM cards anymore. Heck, he couldn't even find ONE store that a similar phone I could swap my SIM into in order to see if a call could be made. 1 week now with no phone and no restitution from Verizon. All they want to do is seed me to the Edge program. No dice. I'm fighting this to the end It's clear as day this problem is WAY beyond my control or the phones....all on VZW.
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OR....you can get a micro sim from them and buy a microsim to normal sim adaptor like this one http://www.walmart.com/ip/Small-Min...-Adapter-For-iPhone-4-4S-4GS-4th-Gen/28911641 ....im actually doing this currently with a straight talk microsim in the rezound....but again did you ensure all roaming settings are enabled under settings>mobile networks
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OR....you can get a micro sim from them and buy a microsim to normal sim adaptor like this one http://www.walmart.com/ip/Small-Min...-Adapter-For-iPhone-4-4S-4GS-4th-Gen/28911641 ....im actually doing this currently with a straight talk microsim in the rezound....but again did you ensure all roaming settings are enabled under settings>mobile networks
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Done it all with the roaming settings, thanks. But as we all surmise, it's Verizon's problem...old phone can't connect with current networks. They need to admit this and get me a new phone.
8 days with no phone capability and counting.
Just tell then it's your work phone, and that you need it for your job or else. Even most prepaid companies like SraightTalk would replace it of it was your work phone. ST even upgrades you, because it is their fault and not yours.
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if u use another sim its not working ?
its sounds like hw problem
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if u use another sim its not working ?
its sounds like hw problem
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Two phones and two different SIMs... Very unlikely to have identical hardware issues in two different refurbished phones that is region specific.
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Hey guys, I was considering buying a HTC Evo 3D and a bit confused about this. The things I'd like to know:
1. I've read that there are two types of this phone: CDMA and GSM. Could you guys explain what is the difference between the two?
2. Will the phone work properly if I order it from the US and use it in Hungary, Europe. There is no Verizon or Sprint here.
3. If I buy it and SIM unlock it can I use it here?
4. What is s-off?
5. What is your experience with the phone in general if you have it?
As a note: We can buy phones here too, but they cost too much. I'm not sure if they are CDMA or GSM though.
Thanks in advance guys, and have a nice day!
CDMA uses ESN/MEID which is hard coded into phone.
GSM uses sim cards.
There is more difference but those are the easiest to identify.
S-off is security off, and different from unlocking.
Unlocking allows custom rom and recovery.
s-off allows more, and makes things easier to do, but has greater risk of bricking the phone if you do something wrong.
I love the 3d, best phone.
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CDMA uses ESN/MEID which...
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Thanks for your answer!
Is there a reliable way to identify which phone uses which type? If I'll buy one I'll need to know if it accepts SIM cards.
So S-off is some kind of root, or similar?
Are we talking about the same "unlock"? I meant unlock as SIM unlock, so the phone accepts any kind od SIM card.
Do you know if there's a safe way to SIM unlock the phone, here on XDA? I have some experience with unlocking but I've never done it on an HTC.
We are talking about bootloader, unlock or s-off.
Sim unlock is different.
Also can tell by hboot version. Odd numbered seems to be gsm and even is cdma.
jcfunk said:
We are talking about bootloader, unlock or s-off.
Sim unlock is different.
Also can tell by hboot version. Odd numbered seems to be gsm and even is cdma.
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Yeah, I see. But do you know if there's a way tounlock these phones? I've seen some threads here that might me working but I'd like to know if you've used them.
Also a phone with a bad ESN is only blocked at the current carrier, right?
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Yeah, I see. But do you know if there's a way tounlock these phones? I've seen some threads here that might me working but I'd like to know if you've used them.
Also a phone with a bad ESN is only blocked at the current carrier, right?
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Bad ESN means it CDMA phone and those don't have SIM card slot. If you want to buy it from US search for GSM model. There is a way to SIM unlock every phone, but in most cases you have to pay for it
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Thank you for your reply! Knowing this is valuable when buying from the US, yeah. I was looking for a free way to unlock it, through tutorials and such because I can't and wouldn't like to afford paying for it anyway!
I recently had a tough time flashing regional firmware to Samsung phones... When I flashed a Czech one or with a different carrier it didn't have signal. The EVO 3D's firware is not regional, right?
Greetings from Hungary!
US is a specific market and you should think twice before buying a phone from US. There are ways to SIM unlock Evo, but they require s-off. I suggest you do some serious reading before going through with your purchase. I know a guy who bought mint condition Evo 3d from US very cheap and now can only look at it and cry because he got CDMA version which doesn't have SIM card slot
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Yeah I was lucky to discover this early! If there are no regional firwares I think it's a go.
Anything I need to know about S-OFF
A quick look at the forums and stuff tells me that it can be a bit complicated to do on some phones... Is it carrier dependant? Different HBOOTs can be S-OFFed differently?