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Why couldn't they release Alphas? I'd be fine with spotty wi-fi and no video.
And now everything is apparently done including video yet still no release? GUYS, stop being such perfectionists, release alphas/betas. WHATEVER. Just get something out so we won't have to use a phone OS on our tablets anymore. PLEASE.
No-one cares about the TP's garbage camera and microphone.
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Then why don't you develop it yourself.
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I'm pretty sure i will get flammed for this, and that is ok.... Post like these are why XDA had become what it is now.... smh, as far as ICS, I agree with those who have said this before, it will come when it is ready.
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Then why don't you develop it yourself.
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I don't have the skills.
But I promise if I did have the skills I sure as hell wouldn't sit on my ass with a perfectly capable ROM when thousands of people are clamoring for it like rabid animals.
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I'm pretty sure i will get flammed for this, and that is ok.... Post like these are why XDA had become what it is now.... smh, as far as ICS, I agree with those who have said this before, it will come when it is ready.
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Oh please, the ROM has been ready for weeks now.
I'm sure all of us here have flashed ROMs on our phones/tablets that were spotty and were perfectly fine with them because we knew they were just Alphas/Betas and even in that state they were far better than what we had before.
Patience, young padawan. Good things come to those who wait.
Lets see here we get to install Android on our devices for free and the ROMs are all developed by volunteers. Be grateful that we have a stable Gingerbread port, we will get ICS when its ready. If you want to speed things up get involved with the port or donate towards it.
Can't believe I am even going to enter this thread and reply - but I'd rather wait till they are happy with it and how it will perform than to get some half-cocked ROM released just to shut people up.
If they released it as it is now... people would just start complaining about what they already know doesn't work... EXAMPLE: how many times do people bring up WIFI and sound distortion in regards to the current ROMs?! Everyone knows it's a problem, yet the posts/threads just keep coming.
Let them polish it and enjoy what you have now. It WILL come, but you will appreciate it a lot I promise you when it's released if they take the time to internally test it and feel confident they have done all they can before the first release is placed in user's hands. Another thread about this really isn't going to change anything.
Personally I'd rather the mods just remove these threads that pop up or consolidate them somewhere - so people can easily find the threads that will help them to solve their problems.
Not trying to bait you - I promise - and you are entitled to your opinion, but relax man - it's all going to be ok - I promise! :-D
I too am anxious to get ICS on my touchpad and I do agree that I would have liked to see a beta or an alpha to test it out, but I don't think this is the way to go about asking for it...although I dont know that there is a good way to ask for it, in any case I get where your coming from
Well there is the PreludeDrew Evervolv ICS ROM that just released, you can try that out if your that impatient...
For me, I've tweaked CM7 so much that it doesn't look or feel the same anymore. So basicly i've 'tweaked' it to my taste, and i'm lovin it!
I think the reason why they won't release an alpha or beta, is that people are still trying or getting into CM7. And for a person who is comfortable with CM7, why upgrade to a more buggier OS and nothing works?
EndlessMike, no one owes you a thing. You didn't buy your touchpad from them, aren't paying them to develop or use roms, they didn't promise you a release and didn't imply that you'll get anything...ever.
If you want ICS, buy a Xoom. Better yet, take the time out to learn how to code and develop roms and do it yourself instead of wasting your life away hoping someone will spoon-feed you. Stop complaining.
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No-one cares about the TP's garbage camera and microphone.
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Speak for yourself... I would like the camera and mic working so I dont have to carry a laptop on business trips just to skype w/ my family.
Thanks to the devs for all their hard work, I'm patiently waiting, and will continue to do so until its released.
I'm getting tired of reading whiney bull**** all ****ing day.
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If you think this wait for a free product is bad, try waiting for Samsung, HTC, Motorola etc to release their ICS update for products people PAID for. The lucky ones are going to have to wait months. The unlucky ones don't even get an update at all.
Considering that that the Touchpad was never even meant to be an Android device in the first place and when most of us bought it, Android for the Touchpad didn't even exist, I'm quite happy with what we currently have and what we will be getting whenever we get it. It's far more than I ever expected and I very much am thankful to the developers for it.
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Why couldn't they release Alphas? I'd be fine with spotty wi-fi and no video.
And now everything is apparently done including video yet still no release? GUYS, stop being such perfectionists, release alphas/betas. WHATEVER. Just get something out so we won't have to use a phone OS on our tablets anymore. PLEASE.
No-one cares about the TP's garbage camera and microphone.
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I can't imagine anything more tedious for a Developer than a perfect ROM, especially when the community requests a taste and later demands perfection.
dis thread is ignant, yo.
You guys are late. I stopped checking for it 2 months ago. It'll come out when it comes out.
It saddens and sickens me to see such threads being made. The ungratefulness being shown to the developers is just sickening; and for some reason, it is worse on this forum than on others.
Rather than be excited and respectful, this entire community is degenerating into a group of whiny, self absorbed group who think that the devs live to serv them, and should bow to their whim.
What i wouldn't give to be able to close this trash myself..
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It saddens and sickens me to see such threads being made. The ungratefulness being shown to the developers is just sickening; and for some reason, it is worse on this forum than on others.
Rather than be excited and respectful, this entire community is degenerating into a group of whiny, self absorbed group who think that the devs live to serv them, and should bow to their whim.
What i wouldn't give to be able to close this trash myself..
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Or maybe the developers can give the community what they want instead of holding back the ROM for inane reasons?
I'm grateful for what they're doing and it's awesome that my $100 is about to get even better with a bit more patience; but I'm not going to pretend for a second I like what's going on here.
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Or maybe the developers can give the community what they want instead of holding back the ROM for inane reasons?
I'm grateful for what they're doing and it's awesome that my $100 is about to get even better with a bit more patience; but I'm not going to pretend for a second I like what's going on here.
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Why don't you go outside and find something better to do other than flashing roms that barely work?
I was off to a great start on XDA, helped a lot of people, made a mod or two and gathered a decent number of thanks.
Lately though, I've been frustrated and it's showing in my posts.
I'm frustrated because after probably more than 150$ in donations to different people, it seems that developers left one right after the other and that money I gave to encourage development is now used to develop for another phone.
I understand there's no obligation for developers to stick to a phone for ever, everyone wants to play with the new hardware and being a hardware junkie myself, I really can't blame anyone for that.
I gave to Scott because I ran his ROM for quite awhile and it was really stable. Probably because it is stock with the fat trimmed but that met my needs. Later on I hear about all this talk going on about how he's not a real developer and he left.
Then I gave money to bored at least twice, once for his S4 Rom, and once again to help him get a new laptop. Shortly after he vanished for personal reasons. It's probably something big, probably not his fault, bad things happen and sometimes our priorities changes but it seemed that once again I encouraged someone who had to go away.
Lastly, I donated twice to Joel for his S4 ROM and to encourage him to continue developing and we now know what is happening. He doesn't seem to have the time and with the Roms coming out for the GNex and the One X, if I was a developer, I would be all over the new hardware as well.
So those events made me frustrated and I think I managed to p!ss off quite a few people so I'm sorry for that. I tarnished my own reputation because instead of accepting all that, I wanted something for my donations and I got nothing.
I decided to change the way I see things and consider my donations as a contribution to work that was done in the past. I used CleanRom so I donated for that, I used S4 a lot and Bored helped me port his blue theme so that it works with 3.6 Roms, and I donated for that. I didn't really run Joel's ROM a lot because the lack of bluetooth and screen rotation lag was too much for me but still, he put some good stuff together and it was good while it lasted.
So once again, I apologize for anyone I offended or rubbed the wrong way. Donating only to see people vanish got the best of me and I'm paying for it now because of my latest posts.
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I was off to a great start on XDA, helped a lot of people, made a mod or two and gathered a decent number of thanks.
Lately though, I've been frustrated and it's showing in my posts.
I'm frustrated because after probably more than 150$ in donations to different people, it seems that developers left one right after the other and that money I gave to encourage development is now used to develop for another phone.
I understand there's no obligation for developers to stick to a phone for ever, everyone wants to play with the new hardware and being a hardware junkie myself, I really can't blame anyone for that.
I gave to Scott because I ran his ROM for quite awhile and it was really stable. Probably because it is stock with the fat trimmed but that met my needs. Later on I hear about all this talk going on about how he's not a real developer and he left.
Then I gave money to bored at least twice, once for his S4 Rom, and once again to help him get a new laptop. Shortly after he vanished for personal reasons. It's probably something big, probably not his fault, bad things happen and sometimes our priorities changes but it seemed that once again I encouraged someone who had to go away.
Lastly, I donated twice to Joel for his S4 ROM and to encourage him to continue developing and we now know what is happening. He doesn't seem to have the time and with the Roms coming out for the GNex and the One X, if I was a developer, I would be all over the new hardware as well.
So those events made me frustrated and I think I managed to p!ss off quite a few people so I'm sorry for that. I tarnished my own reputation because instead of accepting all that, I wanted something for my donations and I got nothing.
I decided to change the way I see things and consider my donations as a contribution to work that was done in the past. I used CleanRom so I donated for that, I used S4 a lot and Bored helped me port his blue theme so that it works with 3.6 Roms, and I donated for that. I didn't really run Joel's ROM a lot because the lack of bluetooth and screen rotation lag was too much for me but still, he put some good stuff together and it was good while it lasted.
So once again, I apologize for anyone I offended or rubbed the wrong way. Donating only to see people vanish got the best of me and I'm paying for it now because of my latest posts.
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no hard feelings bro. id feel pretty pissed too if i donated money and it didnt lead to anything. this community, is broken right now. we have about three devs for cdma and 1 gsm left. i want to stay but it seems i cant! im pretty sure im leaving to get a GSM gnex and go to tmobile. its just better for me right now. believe me, THIS IS THE INTERNET!!!! if anyone gets offended, they are p*ssies
I started to think of the fact that the money I donated would have bought me almost a third of a One X at full retail price but developers do release ROMs before getting donations so I'm trying to see it as contribution done in the past, not in the future.
hey man, i'm just as upset as you with the developers leaving. our community really has been shot to hell, and i don't really see it recovering very well, and that sucks. we started off as a small, close, tight-knit community from like weeks before launch date. many of us were familiar faces from the Inc forum, so we were enjoying ourselves. once we got bigger, i guess everything began to get on peoples' nerves: lack of AOSP, RIL, kernel source, ICS not being released, etc etc.
now, we have less than a handful of developers left, as they've all left for the nexus.
hang in there, the source/ update drought cant last forever. If you can make it through the wait, it's inevitable that the combination of the hardware + the price of this phone will bring talent. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of those folks you mention above make their way back here again. Being stuck on 2 year old software isn't really exciting for many devs, but it's where we're at for the time being.
Nice to see that you have a new outlook dude
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I like where this thread is going and I agree with the sentiments behind it, hopefully no one will come in here and turn this into a troll-fest.
Personally, I think this is a natural (though unpleasant) thing that's going on. In the forums for my last device, this exact same thing happened - as frustration grew over manufacturer/carrier delays for the next big/promised release and source code, things got bad in the community. It got ugly. Then the release finally came and source finally came and some really good things happened, including CM9. I haven't been back there in a long time so I have no idea what it's like now, but that's the way I left it. I'm hoping once we have source that good things will happen. I believe we'll see some new faces and maybe some old ones.
The one thing that complicates matters in the Rezound forums is the issue of donations (in my opinion). In my old device's forums, a lot of the devs (maybe most) refused to take donations, or at least discouraged donations, and actually it seemed the most talented devs were the ones most likely to discourage/least likely to accept donations. Here, a lot of the devs (most? all?) accept and even encourage donations, in some cases outright asking for them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I've donated to at least 3 Rezound devs myself, but there are risks that come along with accepting/encouraging donations. The people who donate then expect certain things, expectations are higher, and if you don't deliver or if you leave before delivering, you have to expect some people are going to take it hard. I'm not saying I agree with that, it's just human nature. There is a fine line between donating to encourage someone and outright paying them for an expected outcome.
I don't think I ever posted anything negative towards any dev, and I've never taken sides in the current "war" that's going on. I must admit there is one thing I really don't get in all this, one thing I really would like to post and ask about because I'm honestly confused by it, but I know 100% it would turn into a troll feeding frenzy, so I'm just going to keep it to myself and hope for better days ahead.
Personally I love this phone (aside from battery life) and think it's still better than a lot of devices coming out now. I'd love to get more into the dev game myself if I could just. find. the. frickin. time...
That was long-winded, I apologize...
I thank you all make good points and I feel the same way also and I'm so tired of all the childish stuff that just keeps going on iv been with most these dev's sense(pun intened) the inc and they all are very talented but really don't blame them for leaving whether it be personal or not.on that note thank you to all the modders themers and devs and anyone that's a helper and not a troll
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I don't blame people for wanting to go develop for a newer hardware platform, I would do the same and if I could afford it right now, I would buy a GNEX and let Google feed be with updates.
We still love you.
The development section hasn't had anything good in at least a month.
I don't see the rage about the new S3, or Nexus (plus thought nexus was blocked for US sales??). I'm really enjoying the Resound and am having Zero issues at the moment with it. It would be nice to get some of the new updates rolling quicker with the phone, but the amount of work developers have put into the current roms is amazing. They are all very talented people, and there's no possible way to thank them enough for all they've done. I just do really hope some end up trailing back in our direction and bring/breathe more life into this phone..... Particularly Jellybean.
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hey man, i'm just as upset as you with the developers leaving. our community really has been shot to hell, and i don't really see it recovering very well, and that sucks. we started off as a small, close, tight-knit community from like weeks before launch date. many of us were familiar faces from the Inc forum, so we were enjoying ourselves. once we got bigger, i guess everything began to get on peoples' nerves: lack of AOSP, RIL, kernel source, ICS not being released, etc etc.
now, we have less than a handful of developers left, as they've all left for the nexus.
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.....but this is exactly what I'm saying, its all marketing. By people playing ball and RUNNING to the newest phone that has better software when we dont get source fast enough all were doing is saying "hey, you can manipulate the market easily, just take too long to update software and we'll just buy the next phone you tell us to buy". We just need to be patient and wait for source, this is a GREAT phone! Just. Be. Patient.
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.....but this is exactly what I'm saying, its all marketing. By people playing ball and RUNNING to the newest phone that has better software when we dont get source fast enough all were doing is saying "hey, you can manipulate the market easily, just take too long to update software and we'll just buy the next phone you tell us to buy". We just need to be patient and wait for source, this is a GREAT phone! Just. Be. Patient.
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Let's see VZW/HTC stated this phone officially would have ICS Q1, it is now Q3 and they have yet to deliver. This phone has already passed it's shelf life so I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't see the official ICS/source for another month, or two, or three. It sucks but you just gotta face it, this phone is dead. Great phone with a lot of potential, troll community destroys any hope of AOSP or the improvement of current roms.
The thing is, manufacturers have zero motivation to update the software on their phones because they make no money off of that and have to spend money on development.
If not coming up for an update for the Rezound and putting the latest on the One X, they ensure that anyone who wants the latest android will spend money on a new phone.
Yeah we're rooted and we do have the latest, but despite that, I think we all share that itch to get the newer phone with the slightly better CPU and a little bit more RAM.
It's a fact that faster hardware doesn't always make for a faster phone, the quality of the software running on it makes a huge difference as well. I see the same thing on my rezound, sense launcher has never been smoother while 3rd party launchers like Nova, Apex, Go, have never been slower. Open the app drawer, everything is smooth but flip through screens on the desktop and you get that low framerate feel.
I wouldn't consider the GNEX too old to buy but I'll be enjoying my Rezound until the next phone from Google.
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The thing is, manufacturers have zero motivation to update the software on their phones because they make no money off of that and have to spend money on development.
If not coming up for an update for the Rezound and putting the latest on the One X, they ensure that anyone who wants the latest android will spend money on a new phone.
Yeah we're rooted and we do have the latest, but despite that, I think we all share that itch to get the newer phone with the slightly better CPU and a little bit more RAM.
It's a fact that faster hardware doesn't always make for a faster phone, the quality of the software running on it makes a huge difference as well. I see the same thing on my rezound, sense launcher has never been smoother while 3rd party launchers like Nova, Apex, Go, have never been slower. Open the app drawer, everything is smooth but flip through screens on the desktop and you get that low framerate feel.
I wouldn't consider the GNEX too old to buy but I'll be enjoying my Rezound until the next phone from Google.
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This.
Completely.
rsage said:
I like where this thread is going and I agree with the sentiments behind it, hopefully no one will come in here and turn this into a troll-fest.
Personally, I think this is a natural (though unpleasant) thing that's going on. In the forums for my last device, this exact same thing happened - as frustration grew over manufacturer/carrier delays for the next big/promised release and source code, things got bad in the community. It got ugly. Then the release finally came and source finally came and some really good things happened, including CM9. I haven't been back there in a long time so I have no idea what it's like now, but that's the way I left it. I'm hoping once we have source that good things will happen. I believe we'll see some new faces and maybe some old ones.
The one thing that complicates matters in the Rezound forums is the issue of donations (in my opinion). In my old device's forums, a lot of the devs (maybe most) refused to take donations, or at least discouraged donations, and actually it seemed the most talented devs were the ones most likely to discourage/least likely to accept donations. Here, a lot of the devs (most? all?) accept and even encourage donations, in some cases outright asking for them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I've donated to at least 3 Rezound devs myself, but there are risks that come along with accepting/encouraging donations. The people who donate then expect certain things, expectations are higher, and if you don't deliver or if you leave before delivering, you have to expect some people are going to take it hard. I'm not saying I agree with that, it's just human nature. There is a fine line between donating to encourage someone and outright paying them for an expected outcome.
I don't think I ever posted anything negative towards any dev, and I've never taken sides in the current "war" that's going on. I must admit there is one thing I really don't get in all this, one thing I really would like to post and ask about because I'm honestly confused by it, but I know 100% it would turn into a troll feeding frenzy, so I'm just going to keep it to myself and hope for better days ahead.
Personally I love this phone (aside from battery life) and think it's still better than a lot of devices coming out now. I'd love to get more into the dev game myself if I could just. find. the. frickin. time...
That was long-winded, I apologize...
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Maybe some people need to change their expectations.
I don't donate for future work. Since it's entirely possible that the dev has run into a creative or technical wall, I think it's an unrealistic expectation. But that's just me.
I donate because I appreciate the work the dev has already done. If he takes the donation as an "attaboy" as inspiration for bigger and better things, I consider that a bonus.
Nilsp's ROMs are just about the only ones I've used since I got my Rezound. I appreciate the consistent quality, that he'll answer a question almost anytime of the day or night without snark, and that his ROMs are in a constant state of improvement. I've bought him at least one beer if not two, and if he can get Sense 4 to run properly, I'll buy him a case.
BTW...Nilsp had to be coaxed into accepting donations. Like many of the devs, his satisfaction seems to come in beating the challenges and the simple thanks the users of his product give him. The rest...beer money.
I think another problem with this community is the sense that Verizon has practically orphaned this phone right out of the gate. It was supposed to be a top of the line phone...by technical standards, it's still one of their best phones eight months out of the gate, which is saying something...but they never promoted it, and the dragging of their feet with the ICS update is simply maddening, given that they implied it would be one of the first to get it.
I like this phone. I'm pretty much stuck with it for another year anyway, but I can't see the advantage to jumping at quad cores, especially since few apps can truly take advantage of the extra cores anyhow.
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I don't donate for future work. Since it's entirely possible that the dev has run into a creative or technical wall, I think it's an unrealistic expectation. But that's just me.
I donate because I appreciate the work the dev has already done. If he takes the donation as an "attaboy" as inspiration for bigger and better things, I consider that a bonus.
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I agree with you, but not completely. You see, I've noticed two ways of inviting for donations.
1. "If you like my work, please consider donating". That I agree with you, a donation is for past work and no expectations should be assumed on either side. You like the current rom and you want to donate, send a few bucks and enjoy the phone. No one ever said there would be a next version.
2. "Let's get 'x' a phone so that he can develop for the Rezound". This is far different than the first one. This, in simple terms, means "If you buy me a phone, I will release something". Maybe just one Rom supported for a little bit, maybe more, but this DOES imply that if the developer gets his/her new phone, that this person will develop something. This is money for future development.
Going with the second method is risky because it does set an expectation to get something back for getting that person a phone. Those expectations are likely to be different between the developer and people who donated. I am convinced that this is why there is so much friction and frustrated people in the Rezound forums. Different people have different expectations and some people are bound to feel like they deserve more.
I learned my lesson though. Next time someone needs the community to help them get a device, I'll politely pass because this concept of donating for future work is at high risk to cause frustrations.
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I agree with you, but not completely. You see, I've noticed two ways of inviting for donations.
1. "If you like my work, please consider donating". That I agree with you, a donation is for past work and no expectations should be assumed on either side. You like the current rom and you want to donate, send a few bucks and enjoy the phone. No one ever said there would be a next version.
2. "Let's get 'x' a phone so that he can develop for the Rezound". This is far different than the first one. This, in simple terms, means "If you buy me a phone, I will release something". Maybe just one Rom supported for a little bit, maybe more, but this DOES imply that if the developer gets his/her new phone, that this person will develop something. This is money for future development.
Going with the second method is risky because it does set an expectation to get something back for getting that person a phone. Those expectations are likely to be different between the developer and people who donated. I am convinced that this is why there is so much friction and frustrated people in the Rezound forums. Different people have different expectations and some people are bound to feel like they deserve more.
I learned my lesson though. Next time someone needs the community to help them get a device, I'll politely pass because this concept of donating for future work is at high risk to cause frustrations.
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Nobody bought me a phone. I'm not buying someone else one.
I prefer developers who plan to use their phone and their ROMs as daily drivers...because that's how I use my phone. If I'm helping a dev buy a phone, he's only in it for the challenge. Once he thinks he's met that challenge, he's off looking for a new one...while I've still got a year or more to go on my contract. And all of that presumes we're talking about an ethical developer...one that's not using his buddy's phone to do the work and pocketing the donations. ---NOTE---that is not an accusation pointed at anyone, just a hypothetical.
I'm not the government. I don't pay for future development....because more times than not, it doesn't work out to be much of a bargain for the taxpayer.
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We still love you.
The development section hasn't had anything good in at least a month.
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Huh?
Nils has been releasing GREAT stuff. Why do folks ignore this super-talented dev?
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Huh?
Nils has been releasing GREAT stuff. Why do folks ignore this super-talented dev?
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yeah, nils is the man. made some badass roms on the Inc, and continues to do so on the rezound.
Huawei has announced that the Ham2 will receive Lollipop in the first half of 2015. Check the Huawei official blog site for more info
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Huawei has announced that the Ham2 will receive Lollipop in the first half of 2015. Check the Huawei official blog site for more info
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Here's the link for more information! CONGRATS HUAWEI!!!
http://bit.ly/1HuK1jc
thanks
thanks for posting the link, as you can see from my number of post i am unable to do so at this time
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Huawei has announced that the Ham2 will receive Lollipop in the first half of 2015. Check the Huawei official blog site for more info
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http://blog.gethuawei.com/huawei-device-pleased-announce-android-lollipop/ there ya go
I kind of thought that this would happen. I mean, this is their (Huawei's) first venture into the U.S. phone market. They could screw over their entire fan base, or just update the phone. They made the right move.
I wonder just how fugly Huawei L will be...
I'll believe it when I see it.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
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They could be pulling our leg, but you never know. It is still a good phone without the update.
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They could be pulling our leg, but you never know. It is still a good phone without the update.
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In this case, I'm less concerned about the phone being good without the update (it is) as I am about whether I should believe any announcement Huawei makes. Further, did they actually learn anything, or is it always going to take public pressure for them to do what they promise in the future? I've already purchased this phone, but their actions for the next year or so will dictate whether I purchase another Huawei product.
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In this case, I'm less concerned about the phone being good without the update (it is) as I am about whether I should believe any announcement Huawei makes. Further, did they actually learn anything, or is it always going to take public pressure for them to do what they promise in the future? I've already purchased this phone, but their actions for the next year or so will dictate whether I purchase another Huawei product.
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I agree, I couldn't have said it better myself and I own a Huawei Ascend Mate 2 as well. Its a nice phablet, but its only a 4 start $300 phablet with the Android updates, otherwise its really not worth it to me. Hopefully Huawei does update the HAM2 to Android 5.0.
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I agree, I couldn't have said it better myself and I own a Huawei Ascend Mate 2 as well. Its a nice phablet, but its only a 4 start $300 phablet with the Android updates, otherwise its really not worth it to me. Hopefully Huawei does update the HAM2 to Android 5.0.
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I am not holding my breath. So many companies have promised vapourware for my earlier phones. It is just not worth it for them to update any phone. Why update when they could announce a new model? Phone turnover is the money maker for them. Hell I paid $199 for a unlocked phone that rocks, yes it has a two year old os, but it is stable, great battery, 4g LTE , lots of memory etc. I will get my moneys worth out of it. Hell I paid more for a Motorolattriupmh and used it till it died. One happy mate2 owner update or no!
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I am not holding my breath. So many companies have promised vapourware for my earlier phones. It is just not worth it for them to update any phone. Why update when they could announce a new model? Phone turnover is the money maker for them. Hell I paid $199 for a unlocked phone that rocks, yes it has a two year old os, but it is stable, great battery, 4g LTE , lots of memory etc. I will get my moneys worth out of it. Hell I paid more for a Motorolattriupmh and used it till it died. One happy mate2 owner update or no!
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The thing is, those other companies are probably bigger, are they not? They have more money for advertising etc., so they can rely on pumping out new phones. But Huawei doesn't have the reputation to do that, at least not in the US.
And if they change their minds about this update, they're going to get so much backlash AGAIN. I don't think they would want that.
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The thing is, those other companies are probably bigger, are they not? They have more money for advertising etc., so they can rely on pumping out new phones. But Huawei doesn't have the reputation to do that, at least not in the US.
And if they change their minds about this update, they're going to get so much backlash AGAIN. I don't think they would want that.
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Well from what I understand Huawei in China bigger than Samsung just not in USA , like someone else posted, be careful what you wish for, new version of any software is bound to be bug laden! I too would love the upgrade but...
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Well from what I understand Huawei in China bigger than Samsung just not in USA , like someone else posted, be careful what you wish for, new version of any software is bound to be bug laden! I too would love the upgrade but...
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I, for one, will let others be the early adopters of this upgrade, when and if it becomes available! If, after a few weeks, it seems stable and reliable, I might try it.
Won't really matter to me one bit. If it never gets an update, I'm keeping it.
4.3 is flat stable, and I'll take that over the newest OS any day.
I'm sure 5.0 will do nothing but improve the HAM2, but, I'm sure it will have to
be patched a few times to work out the inevitable bugs. Bless the ones that will
jump at the alpha, beta versions, leaks etc...but once it is released, I'll let you early
adopters play with it. This thing is my work device away from the office, and I don't
have time for FC's & reboots.
There outta be some kind of medal for you guys that flash the newest OS... :good:
I know some of you don't care if you're still using froyo, but...
JB isn't terribly efficient or stable. It's really one of the more bloated releases out there.
The changes implemented in KK really can make our great battery life even better and bring RAM utilization down, and implementing the ART run-time for Lollipop will make apps run faster (as much as 4x faster). Done.
We're getting a lot more than a fancy interface here.
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JB isn't terribly efficient or stable. It's really one of the more bloated releases out there.
The changes implemented in KK really can make our great battery life even better and bring RAM utilization down, and implementing the ART run-time for Lollipop will make apps run faster (as much as 4x faster). Done.
We're getting a lot more than a fancy interface here.
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Theoretically, everything you say is correct, and if it turns out to work that way in reality, I'll welcome the upgrade, when and if it comes. But I've been burned in the past by upgrades, so I'll be very happy to hold back while you go first and find out if there are any nasty surprises lurking behind that fancy interface.
I like what I've seen of Lollipop so far, but if it doesn't work well on this phone, I'll be perfectly content to stick with JellyBean and have a phone that actually works.
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Hey all new user here.
I am thinking about picking up the Huawei Ascend Mate 2 on Friday. But I to am concerned about if we will actually see the 5.0 (or subsequent updates). It seems that there is a lack of CyanogenMod support for this device and or custom roms. What do you guys think? If we don't see the 5.0 update what do you think the availability of CM12 for this device will be?
Just trying to determine how big a gamble I am taking by grabbing this in regards to future support. Let me know your thoughts
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Hey all new user here.
I am thinking about picking up the Huawei Ascend Mate 2 on Friday. But I to am concerned about if we will actually see the 5.0 (or subsequent updates). It seems that there is a lack of CyanogenMod support for this device and or custom roms. What do you guys think? If we don't see the 5.0 update what do you think the availability of CM12 for this device will be?
Just trying to determine how big a gamble I am taking by grabbing this in regards to future support. Let me know your thoughts
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If you want a device that WORKS, is STABLE, has an incredible battery life, then get the Mate2. If it never gets an update, it won't bother me.
For my use, unless a software program gets updated that will not work with the Mate2 as it stands now, or, adds features that I would use,
I'm quite happy with the performance as it stands now.
If you are of the type, that craves the latest OS, or hardware, then the Mate7 might be a better option, or, the OnePlus One, which is similar
in price.
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If you want a device that WORKS, is STABLE, has an incredible battery life, then get the Mate2. If it never gets an update, it won't bother me.
For my use, unless a software program gets updated that will not work with the Mate2 as it stands now, or, adds features that I would use,
I'm quite happy with the performance as it stands now.
If you are of the type, that craves the latest OS, or hardware, then the Mate7 might be a better option, or, the OnePlus One, which is similar
in price.
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Thanks p51d007. I don't necessarily need the latest OS. but I also don't want to miss out on new features being added to new versions of Android. But I think I am gonna go ahead and pick one up! thanks for the feedback
Huawei informed us last year that they'll be releasing Lollipop in the second quarter of 2015. 5 months and 3 days have already passed and if wasn't for a glimpse they provided some months ago, I would have found it difficult that our HAM2 will ever be updated.
I received my 1+1 about a month ago and tried Lollipop on it. I am not particularly impressed by Lollipop. I had to reinstall kitkat. Lollipop is over-simplified and has lots of white.
Clearly, Huawei is slow at deploying Lollipop. That is true. It sounds like you really don't care though. You seem to prefer KitKat. Not sure why you started this thread.
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Clearly, Huawei is slow at deploying Lollipop. That is true. It sounds like you really don't care though. You seem to prefer KitKat. Not sure why you started this thread.
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Huawei had promised to release Kitkat. They retracted. Then they promised Lollipop. Even though I'm not a Lollipop fan, it provides the option of having the latest android OS on your phone. So, there's no harm in that.
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Huawei had promised to release Kitkat. They retracted. Then they promised Lollipop. Even though I'm not a Lollipop fan, it provides the option of having the latest android OS on your phone. So, there's no harm in that.
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I got ya. I agree. I am still hopeful they release Lollipop soon. They aren't the best at this kind of stuff though. Their track record is fairly poor related to supporting existing devices. I think they are trying to be better, though. Time will tell.
Android L is meant to be released on the Asian Mate 2's on July 2nd. I think it is unlikely that it will be released for the US version before this, but if it doesn't come out for you guys on the 2nd July, I would contact Huawei and moan like Hell. Unfortunately I have seen NOTHING about a release date for the MT2-L03.
I asked them on Instagram and got the usual "Thank you, we don't know anything, we'll tell you something when nothing does everything." kind of comment.
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Android L is meant to be released on the Asian Mate 2's on July 2nd. I think it is unlikely that it will be released for the US version before this, but if it doesn't come out for you guys on the 2nd July, I would contact Huawei and moan like Hell. Unfortunately I have seen NOTHING about a release date for the MT2-L03.
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The Asian HAM2 is a completely different phone internally, there is no reason to believe the development paths or release schedules would be in any way similar for both devices.
After over half a year of vague promises (and a worthless 'beta program' website) from Huawei USA I wouldn't expect an upgrade to Lollipop for the MT2-L03 - I honestly think they were just stringing everyone along and trying to quieten the uproar among HAM2 users that was happening at the time. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I bet I'm not.
In the meantime I'm still trucking along on my HAM2, but I am looking at possible replacements. Most notably the new Alcatel Idol 3 looks really really impressive for the price.
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The Asian HAM2 is a completely different phone internally, there is no reason to believe the development paths or release schedules would be in any way similar for both devices.
After over half a year of vague promises (and a worthless 'beta program' website) from Huawei USA I wouldn't expect an upgrade to Lollipop for the MT2-L03 - I honestly think they were just stringing everyone along and trying to quieten the uproar among HAM2 users that was happening at the time. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I bet I'm not.
In the meantime I'm still trucking along on my HAM2, but I am looking at possible replacements. Most notably the new Alcatel Idol 3 looks really really impressive for the price.
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Yes, thanks. I'm well aware that they have different hardware.
I said to moan as US customers were told an update would be released in the first quarter of the year..... That hasn't happened.
I'll get flamed again, but even if they did release an update, it would be hard for me to upgrade unless some feature of software took advantage of the update. 4.3 WORKS. Turn it on and use it, don't have to reboot it. Yes, if there are security bugs, that's one thing, but if your device works as delivered, I'm more of a leave it alone, new doesn't always mean better, just new type of person.
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I'll get flamed again, but even if they did release an update, it would be hard for me to upgrade unless some feature of software took advantage of the update. 4.3 WORKS. Turn it on and use it, don't have to reboot it. Yes, if there are security bugs, that's one thing, but if your device works as delivered, I'm more of a leave it alone, new doesn't always mean better, just new type of person.
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Man, the main theme of all your posts is "4.3 is GREAT". In fact, all your posts contain the same information in different wording. We have UNDERSTOOD your preference. I don't understand why you keep repeating it. Its a little bit tactless to be repeating the same post in every thread.
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Man, the main theme of all your posts is "4.3 is GREAT". In fact, all your posts contain the same information in different wording. We have UNDERSTOOD your preference. I don't understand why you keep repeating it. Its a little bit tactless to be repeating the same post in every thread.
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He said he'd get flamed. At least he wasn't disappointed.
There isn't a ton of activity in this forum so I think we can tolerate multiple posts from p51d007.
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He said he'd get flamed. At least he wasn't disappointed.
There isn't a ton of activity in this forum so I think we can tolerate multiple posts from p51d007.
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Flame away...I was a volunteer 911 operator for over a dozen years...been flamed by the best of em. :good:
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Flame away...I was a volunteer 911 operator for over a dozen years...been flamed by the best of em. :good:
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I've got the latest and greatest lollipop on my nexus 7, I've also got a rooted samsung s3 that has a custom ROM on it. But I must say this phone
the mate 2 is by far my favorite, the battery life is unreal, love the big bright screen. It may not be the latest and greatest but for me it is a great phone.
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I've got the latest and greatest lollipop on my nexus 7, I've also got a rooted samsung s3 that has a custom ROM on it. But I must say this phone
the mate 2 is by far my favorite, the battery life is unreal, love the big bright screen. It may not be the latest and greatest but for me it is a great phone.
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I actually bought the 1+1 after reading rave reviews about it almost everywhere. I initially intended to keep the 1+1 and give my dad my HAM2. For some reason, the mate 2 was too good to give up. It has everything I want in a phone; large screen, very long battery life, fast, smooth transitions and most importantly it doesn't get hot like a stove. Anyway, at the end, I kept the HAM2 and gave my dad the 1+1. Seriously, I gave up the 1+1 with all its laudatory specs for the HAM2 and I have no regrets.
This phone's screen is too freaking big for me. I already have a tablet, don't need another one thanks. Unfortunately I can't afford to upgrade it right now so I'm stuck with it. And now Xposed broke so now I'm stuck with the ugly grey nav bar and enormous DPI. (EDIT: Nvm, I fixed that.) Seriously, why did Huawei artificially raise the DPI, the native 240 looks so much better than the stock 320, makes everything look much smaller and crisper and gives you more real estate.
I just want Lollipop. Then I'll see if it's worth keeping this phone or if I should make upgrading a priority.
At least the battery life is nice, but that's about all I can say is going for this phone, and I'm willing to bet in part that's because of the lower res (720p) screen.
Hola
Many of us I know signed up, most of us did not get in due to limited space. Bottom line there must be a few out there that got it. I am not sure of the so called NDA that was required, but I am hoping some can provide some very high level feedback.
1. Generally stable? Enough at least for usage as your daily driver?
2. How close to stock Android is it? For example, same battery management interface? Onscreen buttons? Minute vibration controls? Camera improvements?
3. Root available? I saw from some pictures issued on the ZTE Chinese forum showing a warning about having rooted device on a Nougat preview.
4. Any noticeable improvements in cellular reception? Actual dBm values would be nice.
It is just to give us a indication that ZTE US is at least not only bringing Nougat to our phones BUT the skinning and functionality and stability is ok.
I'm surprised the firmware itself has not leaked already.
Hello, I have Nougat and can provide some feedback from it.
I'd love to hear as well
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Watch out, people are already complaining on Z Community about what had been said.
According to one of the testers it is still MiFavor. Wow, can't believe I was fooled into thinking they actually cared with their "stock android discussion". Guess I have to flash CM and live with its bugs.
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Watch out, people are already complaining on Z Community about what had been said.
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Where are they complaining? It's not me right?
I can't even be sure it isn't me. Check out the help and assistance thread.
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I can't even be sure it isn't me. Check out the help and assistance thread.
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Okay that post is before I came on here, so it's not me at least.
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According to one of the testers it is still MiFavor. Wow, can't believe I was fooled into thinking they actually cared with their "stock android discussion". Guess I have to flash CM and live with its bugs.
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The 7.0 ROM has been in works for months. They released an early preview (screenshots) to the Chinese forum months ago -- of course it was still going to be MiFavor. The discussion poll about stock android for R&D was literally only like 2 weeks ago. If people think ANY company can just turn on a dime like that, then they clearly don't understand how companies work or how software is developed at that level.
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I can't even be sure it isn't me. Check out the help and assistance thread.
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I was one of the people complaining and I don't regret it. They're going to cancel this if you all don't shut your mouths unless ruining this for everyone is your thing. In which case, keep it up.
Moderator please close this thread as well.
This is not your thread... Not that anything is really going on in here anyway.
+1 on closing this thread.
Don't complain ZTE doesn't listen to us or play by the rules, when they are reaching and the first thing you do is break trust.
Earn it first, then complain after that.
+1 closing this thread
Why close this thread? This has no real bearing on the ZTE beta. If someone on the test panel screws up, that's on them. It's totally legit to be curious about the new OS. IMO anyway.
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Thread closed. Sorry guys, but if the testers signed an NDA, then there is no point to thus thread. NDAs are legally binding contracts and a breach may invite legal action avainst involved parties... For everyone's sake, lets close this and respect the NDA..