I know that this isn't a Q&A Forum, but we don't have any, we only have a post that no ones answer, i know too that this question is anwered so many times before but the answer i got was like "is normal", "an article from Xperia phones that explain some of that", but i still don't get it. System always get an amount of RAM needed for the correct working of all stuff. But why in other phones (even with the same chipset) that doesn't happen? And why we can't see where and how the left memory is been used by system? Normally i've seen before how RAM is reduced to share it with GPU, but in ICS our GPU looks worst than on GB so RAM definetely isn't on the GPU, so is good that all of us reach the point of this, i get some screens from other devices and i will posting this in a little bit time. SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH!
PICS are:
1-i9100G
2-i9100G
3-Motorola Droid Razr (SAME CHIPSET) TI OMAP 4430
4-i9300 Galaxy SIII Exynos Quad
5-i9100 Galaxy SII Exynos Dual
6-i9250 Galaxy Nexus TI OMAP 4460
this was asked before but the answer was found here link:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1682204
darkshadow1997 said:
this was asked before but the answer was found here link:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1682204
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And what is the answer? The article about xperias that i've stated in the OP? If that was the case why in other phones like of the screenshots i put it doesn't happen? I already readed all of related post and no one give me an accurate answer!
why do you need more ram?
uninstall unnecessary apps and use supercharger.
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Lukenda said:
why do you need more ram?
uninstall unnecessary apps and use supercharger.
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I don't need more RAM, what i need is to know WHERE DID my RAM go. Maybe nobody know the answer, if i knew a little bit of development i would search the answer but i can't!
As Codeworkx said:
codeworkx said:
It's only 687 MB shown because some amount of ram gets reserved from the kernel for video and graphics stuff.
But ram is there to be used. Free ram is wasted ram and therefore wasted money.
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Anyways, it doesn't impact performance, and yes, this is mainly tied with the GPU of our phones, it seems.
Jiangyi said:
As Codeworkx said:
Anyways, it doesn't impact performance, and yes, this is mainly tied with the GPU of our phones, it seems.
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Strangely the gpu performs better on GB than JB. How is that possible?
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Jiangyi said:
As Codeworkx said:
Anyways, it doesn't impact performance, and yes, this is mainly tied with the GPU of our phones, it seems.
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Its ok.....i have also read similar thing in xperia topic. But i just want to ask , why does this not happened in the non G version. If it was reserved by kernel for graphics and gpu use then why the graphics performance have become worse in ics....???? All is clear that samsung is not treating the both sets similar only selling them at similar price.....poor samsung .
cooladityarai said:
its ok.....i have also read similar thing in xperia topic. But i just want to ask , why does this not happened in the non g version. If it was reserved by kernel for graphics and gpu use then why the graphics performance have become worse in ics....???? All is clear that samsung is not treating the both sets similar only selling them at similar price.....poor samsung .
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is Gnex in yhe picture has the same ram like us ?
because in pics its has only about 680 like our phone .
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is Gnex in yhe picture has the same ram like us ?
because in pics its has only about 680 like our phone .
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Yeah only the galaxy nexus seems to have the same RAM..
codybank_789 said:
is Gnex in yhe picture has the same ram like us ?
because in pics its has only about 680 like our phone .
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Oh yes it has same as our..... but it has a better display of 720p res. So what does it mean...??? The cpu has to work more on the extra pixels . And the thing that ram is reserved for graphics sounds correct here because more pixels more load on gpu and ram. But did u noticed the same processor and ram having moto razar hav nearly 800mb available ram. I just can not understand why the G version has been locked with ram and not the nonG version , still while launching the G version Samsung said that both devices are similar in performance. But we all know about it , nothing to say here.
And the most important thing is that Motorola Atrix2 is available @22.5k which have everything same except display, and also gnexus in some places @24 k yet it have more powerful cpu and higher resolution. . ...and what we r paying for i9100g........27.5k . Samsung is only cheating Indian users, even they have not specified on the boxes whether it is G version ( saw many issues like that on google ).
cooladityarai said:
Oh yes it has same as our..... but it has a better display of 720p res. So what does it mean...??? The cpu has to work more on the extra pixels . And the thing that ram is reserved for graphics sounds correct here because more pixels more load on gpu and ram. But did u noticed the same processor and ram having moto razar hav nearly 800mb available ram. I just can not understand why the G version has been locked with ram and not the nonG version , still while launching the G version Samsung said that both devices are similar in performance. But we all know about it , nothing to say here.
And the most important thing is that Motorola Atrix2 is available @22.5k which have everything same except display, and also gnexus in some places @24 k yet it have more powerful cpu and higher resolution. . ...and what we r paying for i9100g........27.5k . Samsung is only cheating Indian users, even they have not specified on the boxes whether it is G version ( saw many issues like that on google ).
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Just go ahead & sue Samsung for cheating... as consumers we have right to know the real model we are paying for... but i dont think can win the case so just be it!
zaclee said:
Just go ahead & sue Samsung for cheating... as consumers we have right to know the real model we are paying for... but i dont think can win the case so just be it!
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Man u r wrong we can win against samsung . They are cheating us Under Consumer Act 1987 . So we can.....either they refund our money or replace with the original one. And also Samsung has to pay for the mental hrassment that we suffered.
What if I told you the 680mb ram is just a display error across the device.
Have you ever exceeded using 680mb ram on the phone?
rskyline said:
I know that this isn't a Q&A Forum, but we don't have any, we only have a post that no ones answer, i know too that this question is anwered so many times before but the answer i got was like "is normal", "an article from Xperia phones that explain some of that", but i still don't get it. System always get an amount of RAM needed for the correct working of all stuff. But why in other phones (even with the same chipset) that doesn't happen? And why we can't see where and how the left memory is been used by system? Normally i've seen before how RAM is reduced to share it with GPU, but in ICS our GPU looks worst than on GB so RAM definetely isn't on the GPU, so is good that all of us reach the point of this, i get some screens from other devices and i will posting this in a little bit time. SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH!
PICS are:
1-i9100G
2-i9100G
3-Motorola Droid Razr (SAME CHIPSET) TI OMAP 4430
4-i9300 Galaxy SIII Exynos Quad
5-i9100 Galaxy SII Exynos Dual
6-i9250 Galaxy Nexus TI OMAP 4460
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I regret buying this phone, if you ask me, not because is Samsung, just because it's Android. I really don't understand the logic behind a mobile OS that uses lots of RAM in a device that obviously does not have great battery. I had at the time an iPhone 4S and my SGSII simultaneously, so I got the chance to test them in RL. Even iPhone having a less efficient display (LCD vs AMOLED) and a smaller battery than the one on the SGSII, in actual daily use, iPhone seems to handle its RAM way better than any Android I have tested. The problem in many Android IMO is when in idle, still consuming a lot of RAM that greatly affects battery.
jorgelh8 said:
I regret buying this phone, if you ask me, not because is Samsung, just because it's Android. I really don't understand the logic behind a mobile OS that uses lots of RAM in a device that obviously does not have great battery. I had at the time an iPhone 4S and my SGSII simultaneously, so I got the chance to test them in RL. Even iPhone having a less efficient display (LCD vs AMOLED) and a smaller battery than the one on the SGSII, in actual daily use, iPhone seems to handle its RAM way better than any Android I have tested. The problem in many Android IMO is when in idle, still consuming a lot of RAM that greatly affects battery.
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so u think more free ram is better ? its maybe right in ios but its not in android. ram is born to be used.
Dont think ram consuming cause battery drain.
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Straight answer below.
Scenario: An Xperia™ Phone.
"Now, let’s look at how the RAM is used. Out of our 512MB RAM, about a third is used for functions that require a dedicated memory slot to operate fast enough. For example, this is the case for certain multimedia functions. The remaining space, which is at least 340MB, is reserved for the Linux user space, as required in the Android Compatibility Definition Document (CDD). Within the Linux user space, functions like the activity manager and Home screen app are running." (Sonymobile, 2012).
Picture illustration as follows:
This partitioning more or less applies to all other manufacturers' devices, thus explains why the promised 1GB in our device is not entirely visible to us.
As to why different phones with the same chipset has different amounts of RAMs (i.e. Samsung SGS2 VS Motorola Droid Razr & that Razr appears to have more usable RAM), it simply goes back to the reason:
Samsung SGS2 consists of more system functions thus uses more more RAM than compared to that of Motorola Droid Razr.
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this was asked before but the answer was found here link:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1682204
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Direct source (read more): Learn about the technical differences between Gingerbread and ICS [Updated] — Developer World
KeithOYS said:
Straight answer below.
Scenario: An Xperia™ Phone.
"Now, let’s look at how the RAM is used. Out of our 512MB RAM, about a third is used for functions that require a dedicated memory slot to operate fast enough. For example, this is the case for certain multimedia functions. The remaining space, which is at least 340MB, is reserved for the Linux user space, as required in the Android Compatibility Definition Document (CDD). Within the Linux user space, functions like the activity manager and Home screen app are running." (Sonymobile, 2012).
Picture illustration as follows:
This partitioning more or less applies to all other manufacturers' devices, thus explains the OP's question why the promised 1GB in our GT-I9100 is not entirely visible to us.
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But that answer why razr doesn't have less ram and our phone does? Same chipset same os same version.
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rskyline said:
But that answer why razr doesn't have less ram and our phone does? Same chipset same os same version.
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it depend on the manufacturer.
s2g samsung
razr motorola
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Hello,
I bought this smartphone on aliexpress in what appeared to be a good price:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Unlo...ne-1-5G-4-8-QHD-1280X720-1GRAM/726280982.html
(DO NOT BUY IT!)
Declared to be a quad-core Nvidia Tegra 3 to 1.5 Ghz, 1280x720, 1 Gb Ram Android 4.2, and the rest of the features that you can see in the link.
I got the phone and with my unpleasant surprise I discover that it is a dual core 1 Ghz MKT6577, 854x480 with 512 Ram.
Launching the Antutu Benchmark, in device info shows (summary):
Model A9
Device GNET A9
480x854 resolution
cpuinfo Dual core ARM v7 processor
While on System info shows (always summary)
Nvidia Quad core cpu model ARMv7
CPU Frequency 1500 Mhz
Screen resolution 1280x720
Ram size 1024 (Free 64!)
Android version 4.2.1
I have installed a bounch of information system apps and unfortunately for all of them the specs are the lower ones,
Pretty sure now that it is an MTK6577 dual core 1 Ghz 480x854 512Mb ram and android version is 4.0.1
It is possible that they have "modded" or faked something in the phone to make possible to show
different features only on antutu benchmark?
If so how can I prove it?
Tomorrow I will open the dispute.
Thanks for the help you can give
This is usually the case with cheap Chinese phones and tablets. All pretty much the same specs as yours. The details that show in system info are easy to fake. Doing so just involves editing a file called build.prop in the system folder.
To view this file, download a file explorer app like ES File Explorer, open it, it will open to your internal memory/micro SD card. Press back once or twice till you see a bunch of folders, one of which will be 'system'. Open this folder and inside you'll find a bunch of other folders and a file called build.prop. That's the file you need to open. When it asks you what to open with, choose ES Text Editor or any other text editor that's there, and view the file.
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thanks sashank
it is the answer that i needed.
Another question is:
it is also possible to falsify the antutu scores?
Because i get around 6900 that is pretty fast
for the processor involved.
oxyjo said:
Another question is:
it is also possible to falsify the antutu scores?
Because i get around 6900 that is pretty fast
for the processor involved.
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yep it's possible. a video even showed huawei's code in 1 of their phones cheating benchmark applications
It is long known that all benchmark scores can be faked even by the newest of noobs. They mean less then nothing really. Put no faith in them. And remember this piece of advice. If it sounds too good to be true, then it is.
In this day and age people are too fast to trust something on face value. Sad as it may seem this is not always the case. With the open nature of android anything is possible. I can give you a device that says it has an Octo-core S10 with 5gb of ram. A full HD 3D display that scores 90,000 on bench marks. All the while it is a pos that is sending out hundreds of SMS to a premium number as it silently grants root access to every request without user knowledge. See my point?
Batcom2
Thanks all for the support,
i have solved the dispute with the seller, he is very new in ecommerce and i think he has been cheated before me, and i consequently, he has been very fair and we agreed for a 50$ refund, that bring the phone around at its real price. This is a bit annoying, because it is not the phone that i wanted to buy, but at least it is not so bad and it works good, i will keep it for a while, waiting for new models on the market.
i just bough lenovo P780 from china i dont think that is an official lenovo phone, anyway i ran benchmark and i saw that it has 4gb ram but when i open clean master it shows that i have 514 ram, the reason i ask is because i want to download the hearthstone app and its says that its incompatible due to minimum requirements and i suspect its the ram beacause the app needs at least 1gb ram to run
http://prntscr.com/79m7mj
http://prntscr.com/79m7jr
http://prntscr.com/79m7e4
http://prntscr.com/79m95o
any help would be really appreciated, thanks.
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karafliaris said:
i just bough lenovo P780 from china i dont think that is an official lenovo phone, anyway i ran benchmark and i saw that it has 4gb ram but when i open clean master it shows that i have 514 ram, the reason i ask is because i want to download the hearthstone app and its says that its incompatible due to minimum requirements and i suspect its the ram beacause the app needs at least 1gb ram to run
http://prntscr.com/79m7mj
http://prntscr.com/79m7jr
http://prntscr.com/79m7e4
http://prntscr.com/79m95o
any help would be really appreciated, thanks.
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Please post system version or build version and settings>about phone>hardware Information
This thread will be moved to P780 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting
karafliaris said:
i just bough lenovo P780 from china i dont think that is an official lenovo phone, anyway i ran benchmark and i saw that it has 4gb ram but when i open clean master it shows that i have 514 ram, the reason i ask is because i want to download the hearthstone app and its says that its incompatible due to minimum requirements and i suspect its the ram beacause the app needs at least 1gb ram to run
http://prntscr.com/79m7mj
http://prntscr.com/79m7jr
http://prntscr.com/79m7e4
http://prntscr.com/79m95o
any help would be really appreciated, thanks.
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From the pictures you posted here, your phone IS NOT LENOVO P780.
Lenovo P780 has 1 Gb of RAM not 4 Gb, internal memory 4Gb or 8 Gb not 32 Gb.
Maybe a fake or other type of phone.
Send us a picture of your phone or a screenshot of your /Settings/About Phone section.
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i'd love to help but my phone now has other problems as well, my screen has VERY low brightness all of the sudden i can only see whats on the screen under a bright light (my desk light in this case). i knew its was a fake lenovo, but its was cheap, so i gave it a shot and now i am regreting it
karafliaris said:
i'd love to help but my phone now has other problems as well, my screen has VERY low brightness all of the sudden i can only see whats on the screen under a bright light (my desk light in this case). i knew its was a fake lenovo, but its was cheap, so i gave it a shot and now i am regreting it
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By any chance can you make some photos with another camera or phone to: the phone, the box with the sticker and the phone inside, with the case opened and post here?
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Hi all, Please redirect me if I'm in the wrong place! I bought this phone a week ago to replace my old slow one. This seems to be no better. I bought it thinking with a quad core processor and 1gb ram it should be relatively quick. On receiving it I find out it's only got 512mb ram. Here are a few details about the phone.
MODEL NUMBER V9
(USA111 IRULU X9)
ANDROID VERSION 6.0 (? DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS RIGHT)
KERNEL VERSION 3.10.72
BUILD NUMBER LMY47L TEST-KEYS
CUSTOM BUILD VERSION ALPS.L1.MP6.V2_MAGC6580.WE.L_P35
I just need some advice really I don't understand how it can be so slow. Is it bottlenecking with the ram being low? Is it a unstable os? I have tried RAM EXPANDER and it currently has an extra 4gb VRAM but it doesn't operate any quicker. I can't play most games on it and when recording a video it just records bits and freezes. Surely something is wrong?
Anyway any help would be great, thank you. :highfive:
leeroy87 said:
Hi all, Please redirect me if I'm in the wrong place! I bought this phone a week ago to replace my old slow one. This seems to be no better. I bought it thinking with a quad core processor and 1gb ram it should be relatively quick. On receiving it I find out it's only got 512mb ram. Here are a few details about the phone.
MODEL NUMBER V9
(USA111 IRULU X9)
ANDROID VERSION 6.0 (? DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS RIGHT)
KERNEL VERSION 3.10.72
BUILD NUMBER LMY47L TEST-KEYS
CUSTOM BUILD VERSION ALPS.L1.MP6.V2_MAGC6580.WE.L_P35
I just need some advice really I don't understand how it can be so slow. Is it bottlenecking with the ram being low? Is it a unstable os? I have tried RAM EXPANDER and it currently has an extra 4gb VRAM but it doesn't operate any quicker. I can't play most games on it and when recording a video it just records bits and freezes. Surely something is wrong?
Anyway any help would be great, thank you. :highfive:
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these phone are chinese clones of branded phones with fake info.
these are very low cost phones with low hardware bundled into it...