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The Evo already got it, and im sure the incredible is almost there. Whats wrong with the Eris? And what Hboot are those two devices running?
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The Evo already got it, and im sure the incredible is almost there. Whats wrong with the Eris? And what Hboot are those two devices running?
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uuuummm what r u talkin about ? im confused , the eris is already rooted ,atleast if u have 1.5 u can root it or the 2.1 ota i belie ve u can too
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uuuummm what r u talkin about ? im confused , the eris is already rooted ,atleast if u have 1.5 u can root it or the 2.1 ota i belie ve u can too
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I thought it would be obvious that im talking about the leaked versions
it's just attention has been diverted that's all. if all the devs were working on rooting those leaks I have no doubt in my mind it would have already been, or very close to being rooted, but as it stands, most devs already have root on their phones so they arent as focused to rooting anymore, just providing more things already rooted phones. I'm sure there are some more devso ut there trying everyday to root it, but without as many, or as much work into it, it's going to be quite a while to get there.
I was looking into it myself, until my trackball stopped working and I got a replacement phone, so I guess I could be to blame as well for this.
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it's just attention has been diverted that's all. if all the devs were working on rooting those leaks I have no doubt in my mind it would have already been, or very close to being rooted, but as it stands, most devs already have root on their phones so they arent as focused to rooting anymore, just providing more things already rooted phones. I'm sure there are some more devso ut there trying everyday to root it, but without as many, or as much work into it, it's going to be quite a while to get there.
I was looking into it myself, until my trackball stopped working and I got a replacement phone, so I guess I could be to blame as well for this.
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devs are def. working on the issue. problem is, it's a no paying job.
I dont get the whole point in calling Android open source software if they have to lock our phones so we cant do anything. if we screw it up thats our fault so i dont see the problem
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devs are def. working on the issue. problem is, it's a no paying job.
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Yes, I recognized that some are still working on it, I just said that attention has been diverted greatly. do you think releasing an ad blocker, various roms, overclocking, froyo, live wallpapers, aosp/jit support they were busy trying to root at the same time? of course not, you can only do so much at once, and attention to rooting has shifted greatly. have they forgot about it completely? hell no! they just put it on the backburners.
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I dont get the whole point in calling Android open source software if they have to lock our phones so we cant do anything. if we screw it up thats our fault so i dont see the problem
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google and android being open source has nothing to do with it. it's the carriers who prefer to lock down the phones.
A to keep the general public out of things that could hurt. could you imagine any old lady picking up an android phone and overclocking and the SU app, and all the other tools were there? it'd either destroy her phone when she messes with it, or left alone entirely because she doesnt know what they do. eitherway? they become pointless to have on the phone.
B to keep users out of things that cost more money. did you know you have to actually pay verizon an extra addition on your bill to unlock tethering on the phones they allow tethering on? by having root, we can tether without them knowing on phones that don't usually have tethering and we can do it without paying for it. it's not exactly something they want going on, so they lock the phones down.
C safety. Having root access on our phone gives apps a lot more things to control, and with such, if anything malicious gets on our phone, it can do more damage on a root user then a locked down phone.
so take the nexus one for instance, if you bought that through google, not a wireless provider, it still has root on it for the first and last reasons I mentioned. to keep the general public out of things they don't need to be getting into/understand how to control. and with the safety lockdown, the average person who goes "oh what's this?" *click* on a malicious app doesnt get that chance.
it's not about keeping us out, it's about making the service providers happy, and keeping the general public safe.
google has put into android a very simple way to get root access for us all, it's the phone hardware (and their custom software additions) and the service providers that make it harder and harder to get into the system.
makes sense, but safe from what? its a phone... it wont kill you
buttttt how would you go about getting a pre rooted nexus one even if you dont have t mobile and just want the phone?
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makes sense, but safe from what? its a phone... it wont kill you
buttttt how would you go about getting a pre rooted nexus one even if you dont have t mobile and just want the phone?
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No the phone wont hurt you, just your pocket when the average person, who knows zip about what they are doing with a rooted phone totally bricks the phone and has to buy a new one, at full retail price. Or perhaps they load up a app that causes major issues with the phone, causing it to lock up/fail. again hurting the pocket book by having to buy a new phone at retail price.
I'm not trying to be a **** here but I'm fairly certain that when any of us load anything onto the phone we're aware of the risks it could bring, I would hope you went into this with the same mentality.
that is what we are saying, anying who can make an account on XDA, actually, anyone who has even HEARD of xda is probably smart enough to not do any brick-inducing stupid moves.
I'm talking about the average person who doesnt know the difference between RAM and ROM here, it's locked down to protect them from their own dumb moves.
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I'm not trying to be a **** here but I'm fairly certain that when any of us load anything onto the phone we're aware of the risks it could bring, I would hope you went into this with the same mentality.
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thats exactly what im trying to say. if we screw up our phones that our own fault so i dont see why we should worry about others who brick their phones and end up buying new ones. thats their fault and they can deal with it
(now because i said that if im ever able to root ill probably brick my phone trying) karma sucks...
but still.
Hey everybody!
Last time I gave my new s2 to my girlfriend, she installed an strange app from the market called pesoguin sakura dance (free) (should be on top if you search "tamagotchi" - it was surely the last time i handed it over to her haha).
Reading a comment like "damaged my phone" about the app unsettled me a bit and leads me to the question, if an app from the market could damage my/a phone irreparable?
I tested that app with lookout and didn't find anything. If you look on over 260 averaged 4 stars ratings and 50 - 250 000 downloads you shouln't think that there's something wrong. But, as i said, there's that comment; and i heard from another guy that there could be apps, which change the os of a phone.
Am I too careful and there's nothing (with this app) that should upset me or are there apps which do sth without me realizing anything.
Thanks.
May I ask what your previous phone was?
stoney73 said:
May I ask what your previous phone was?
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May I ask what your previous car was?
any serious and helpfull comments?
Dunno! Hoping to get some answers
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Reason being it's a pretty stupid question
Unless the app *gets* (by that I mean, you approve) root access, it ain't screwing anything up...
It's always a good practise to read over the permissions the app requires and ask yourself "Does it really need these?"
Btw... please uninstall Lookout...
hmm..stupid question, ya?
so i heard sth. what you obviously didnt hear, namely that there are definetly malicious apps which get root-access without me approving that.
and please get me in the enjoyment of your knowledge why i shouldnt use lookout
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Reason being it's a pretty stupid question
Unless the app *gets* (by that I mean, you approve) root access, it ain't screwing anything up...
It's always a good practise to read over the permissions the app requires and ask yourself "Does it really need these?"
Btw... please uninstall Lookout...
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come on it wasnt stupid
made me think about those viruses on the market place
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hmm..stupid question, ya?
so i heard sth. what you obviously didnt hear, namely that there are definetly malicious apps which get root-access without me approving that.
and please get me in the enjoyment of your knowledge why i shouldnt use lookout
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Pretty sure Superuser would pop-up with any request for root access, don't think there is a way around that...
I am against running an Anti-Virus/Malware client on my phone. IMO it's a stupid idea. I don't want to get in an argument, if you want to run Lookout or similar apps, I'm not going to stop you. It's like the 'why use a Task Manager/App-Killer' argument...
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Pretty sure Superuser would pop-up with any request for root access, don't think there is a way around that...
I am against running an Anti-Virus/Malware client on my phone. IMO it's a stupid idea. I don't want to get in an argument, if you want to run Lookout or similar apps, I'm not going to stop you. It's like the 'why use a Task Manager/App-Killer' argument...
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i dont think that he has asked a stupid question, asked people if they know of any dangerous apps isnt a bad question. you say su would pop up if it was going to be something bad, but you assume he is rooted
I feel a valid concern has been raised in the OP.
The apps available in the marketplace should be vetted but as we know its not.
after rooting the phone...it more or less becomes like the home PC.
personally i download apps only from big corporations...but i do understand most ppl like to try out new & tempting stuff on their phones...
since i access lots of personal accounts from my phone, i keep away from apps which comes from sources i havent heard before...
ignorance is bliss at times...
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i dont think that he has asked a stupid question, asked people if they know of any dangerous apps isnt a bad question. you say su would pop up if it was going to be something bad, but you assume he is rooted
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I don't think he asked a stupid question either. I have found a few malicious apps in the Market that download unwanted garbage to your phone. It surprises me that the Market does not screen out such apps before posting.
That said, I think he definitely needs a new girlfriend.
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That said, I think he definitely needs a new girlfriend.
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hahaha...no she's cute and no..she isn't someone whos playing tamagotchi stuff
b2t. should i be in sorrow after downloaded pesoguin sakura dance? the developer artsplanet inc isnt that small..
btw. my phone is rooted.
thanks in advance!
nobody that can calm me? :/
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Pretty sure Superuser would pop-up with any request for root access, don't think there is a way around that...
I am against running an Anti-Virus/Malware client on my phone. IMO it's a stupid idea. I don't want to get in an argument, if you want to run Lookout or similar apps, I'm not going to stop you. It's like the 'why use a Task Manager/App-Killer' argument...
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I can get round the superuser popup on many phones... So it's not enough to rely on that alone.
I suggest you do run a reliable AV program if you are at all concerned
Btw, few apps are likely to cause serious harm.
If something gets root, in theory it can cause a lot of damage, but normally they aim to quietly install other files without you knowing.
So if you want to start clean, remove and wipe your sd, clear all app data, and reflash the latest rom via odin or kies
If an app had root, it could have modified your system partition, so the reflash matters.
But in theory, someone could delete everything from your phone, or brick it (on some devices), though I am not aware of any such apps
yes there are very dangerous apps in Android Market like this one for example Albanian Keyboard wich is steals all u data like a key logger and no one in there are doing anything to ban or remove that crap
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of course you can.
so what do you think about that pesoguin sakura dance app (free)?
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so what do you think about that pesoguin sakura dance app (free)?
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Shouldn't be that problematic especially as most security holes are patched in gingerbread. AFAIK the most viruses are only able to harm FroYo and lower OS'es.
I've known for some time that the app permissions and data about us being sent to companies via our 'free' apps has always been scandelous. If you don't know about this, there are countless studies by reputable organisations, simply google it.
Like many of us here, I've owned a number of hot Xperia phones, and a few days ago got a new one! But, I updated an app, and when I opened it, I got a shock with how far the permissions are going. The updated app said note: we're going to collect this data about your device. The three pieces that pi**ed me off today are:
1. Phone number
2. Android device ID
3. Info. about all apps on phone
If you're famialiar with why Facebook is one of the greatest marketing successes of our time, then you probably, like me, like to protect your privacy on your phone. I don't think Google is all bad, and there are so many apps which help you in this regard.
Without voiding the warranty of my new phone, I cannot yet get root. I need root to install all sorts of apps which help protect me and my life. Would you tell a stranger on the street your name, age, what's on your phone, phone number, the sites you visit etc? I wouldn't do that. I'm frustrated right now, caught between saving my new warranty and not selling my life for a few stupid 'free' games. I think there is a misstep here. OK the manufacturers let us modify software at our own risk, but they sell the stories of our phones living in an app heaven/bountyland/happy place, but don't do anything to help us protect our privacy.
I agree with you completely. But there are methods to root your phone without unlocking the bootloader (if you still think they will discover, you just have to flash a stock firmware before taking to the store and done)
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Thanks buddy. I've tried all locked-bootloader roots available in this section, flashtool and others.
p.s. for anyone interested in one in this stuff, probably my favourite app (requires root) is LBE Privacy Guard. I used it on other Xperias and there's nothing it can't do!
Wow tinfoil hat alert...
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Wow tinfoil hat alert...
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Wow, you can't post anything on this site without an irrelevant sarcastic answer.
Why can't you just root using this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1886460
Straight forward and quick. Then if you need to send your phone in just flash back to your standard stock firmware??
Thanks very much! I have tried that one though, and posted a report - it fails on my phone. It works for some phones (especially the S and P) but not on all the 2012 Sony phones. I've rooted a few phones before, so I check all the things you have to do and can't find the problem. No one with my phone has posted success with that tool so I doubt it's just me.
I seen in the data usage, some of the free apps have been upload a LOT of data, when they have no reason to e.g. a free live wallpaper. It makes me so angry I just want to nuke the software and not install anything new until root is sorted.
I havent even gotten the phone yet, it's in the mail. Thankfully i came in here to read and now i know to block ota if i want any hope of getting root.
But it leaves me wondering why do they hate rooting so much? Wireless tether is legal on Verizon and most anything else i can think of would hurt google and app devs before verizon...
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it's not just verizon. the sprint s4 has the same going on. at least according to someone i know that has one. it supposedly has something to do with the knox crap and possibly the lojack stuff they're trying to add to the phones.
i haven't bothered to confirm any of this. just got it from a bit of skimming. work's picking up a bit so i haven't been able to read as much.
It is all about security. Rooted phones do not work well with secure environments. I mean if you really think about it. With the right set up any app can be given root permissions without the user even knowing.
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It also voids warranty. If I were selling a product and the consumer rendered the device useless through mods and what have you, I wouldnt want to warranty it either. One of many reasons.
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I can totally understand it---there could be a lot of headaches for the carrier. That said, I wish Verizon would not block it so much as give the user a Verizon-approved way to root with copious warnings about all the terrible things that can happen. It seems to me that would be sufficient.
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I can totally understand it---there could be a lot of headaches for the carrier. That said, I wish Verizon would not block it so much as give the user a Verizon-approved way to root with copious warnings about all the terrible things that can happen. It seems to me that would be sufficient.
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Yeah but that brings its own worries. They did give at least an option. The Dev Edition.
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Yeah but that brings its own worries. They did give at least an option. The Dev Edition.
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Very true, and it's pretty clear from the name that you're getting something different.
It also presents a problem with technical support. A standardized system is far easier to troubleshoot than one wroth dozens of unknown variables.
Also, the OP is only partially correct regarding wireless tether. While Verizon cannot block users from using third party tether apps, they also have the FCC's explicit blessing to require a separate tethering fee for unlimited plan holders
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HTC lets you unlock the bootloader via a code on their website specific for the individual phone's serial number. One clicks to waive the warranty to get the unlock code, and anyone can boot the phone into bootloader mode to see "unlocked" or "tampered" displayed. That means no warranty.
Verizon was OK with it for HTC phones.
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Its all about the money they lose so much money as a company.. even though they make billions monthly they still are all about making the consumers pay more
For the s4 its all about security. Samsung is trying to get into the corporate phone market. They released this new locked down bootloader to make companies feel all warm and fuzy. My company allows me to access my work email on my phone but to do so I have to have the phone encrypted with no root.
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Verizon Blocks Users from Root
Yeah, I'm having that issue myself. I have rooted my previous devices but just purchased a Motorola Turbo from VZW which is LOADED with bloatware that won't go away. So, I thought I'd go the "decent" route and see if they may be nice in return and help me unlock my phone. Holy cow, you'd think I was trying to hack Fort Knox or the Fed! The Mod at the Verizon Community Website summarily deleted my question regarding this. Well, admittedly, I probably was stupid for doing that but, again, I thought I would be "nice" about it but they decided to get nasty and tried scaring me by tell me I was "in violation of FCC regulations and my terms of service" if I even attempted to root my device and he was going to "open an investigation into my "hacking" activities." Wow, talk about a Mod with delusions of god-hood! Okay, illegal to root MY phone, which I PAID for. So, I called VZW CS (I hate talking) and explained my issue and got a complete dolt (as expected) who didn't have a clue even what the Verizon Community Website was...fact is, my only desire is to remove the damn bloat-ware, ads, etc. and increase the battery life. This phone has such potential and they lock it down to such extremes, it's really disappointing. Finally, I got fed up and asked for her supervisor, who was not much better. Supposedly, she is escalating this to Tier 3 Support. Permission to have root access to MY own phone. I was a sys admin for 25+ years and never had to ask permission for root access for my computers...
Suggestions?
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Suggestions?
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Buy a Nexus 6p or 5x.
A little late for that.
I thought the new Droid Turbo just got root and bootloader unlock... I think it was RootJunky or DroidModderX who just put up a video on that...
That said, like smitchell said, it's Samsung trying to capture the corporate market from Blackberry, and Verizon wanting money from users, combining to screw over people like us who want to flash custom software.
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A little late for that.
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No. They're still being sold.
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No. They're still being sold.
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You misunderstand, Friend. I meant that I had purchased my Motorola Turbo too recently, so the prospect for purchasing another would be impossible at this time.
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I thought the new Droid Turbo just got root and bootloader unlock... I think it was RootJunky or DroidModderX who just put up a video on that...
That said, like smitchell said, it's Samsung trying to capture the corporate market from Blackberry, and Verizon wanting money from users, combining to screw over people like us who want to flash custom software.
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From what I've read, Verizon has made it impossible to do, unless you want to pay $20 for mofo, and that's no guarantee. Where is this video?
Thanks!
Verizon is evil. I have a Galaxy Note Pro from them that I can't even put linux on due to the locked bootloader and kernel without chroot. It's a sad state of affairs. The government should have laws for giving consumers rights to use their devices as they wish
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You misunderstand, Friend. I meant that I had purchased my Motorola Turbo too recently, so the prospect for purchasing another would be impossible at this time.
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From what I've read, Verizon has made it impossible to do, unless you want to pay $20 for mofo, and that's no guarantee. Where is this video?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnfCtvYawVc
So I sent a pretty nasty message to Samsung today announcing my displeasure with this whole KNOX issue and not receiving updates because of our devices being "modified" I did so because Samsung preached Open Source, as does Google and for them to block OTA updates is about as much bull as if Microsoft started to block your Windows updates because you install some aftermarket software etc. We all paid for a product and we are all entitled to updates I feel regardless of weather or not we have rooted our devices or not. If I get any sort of response at all I will post. I doubt I will but it felt good to vent to them at Samsung. You all should do the same. If they get enough complaints then maybe they will do something about it.
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I second this.
I agree with this but give it time, a work around will come up.
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Beandip-Javier said:
I agree with this but give it time, a work around will come up.
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it already has... downloading mi5 to flash back to get update (knox tripped)
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it already has... downloading mi5 to flash back to get update (knox tripped)
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My point to them is we should not have to go through a workaround.
We should not have to Odin back two updates, update to the second, wait for MJ4, and that's if you even get the update cause I know they stopped them for a while for some. On top of that you lose everything you have done which is crap. Xposed, Viper Audio Mod etc. All that stuff takes time to do and someone shouldn't have to start from scratch because Samsung f***ed up in the first place and didn't get their software right causing audio and S pen issues. Should we have to go through this headache because of their mistake? I think not.
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My point to them is we should not have to go through a workaround.
We should not have to Odin back two updates, update to the second, wait for MJ4, and that's if you even get the update cause I know they stopped them for a while for some. On top of that you lose everything you have done which is crap. Xposed, Viper Audio Mod etc. All that stuff takes time to do and someone shouldn't have to start from scratch because Samsung f***ed up in the first place and didn't get their software right causing audio and S pen issues. Should we have to go through this headache because of their mistake? I think not.
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i totally agree but in do time..
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i totally agree but in do time..
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Feel free to sign up and chime in. Maybe someone from Samsung will actually listen if we stir up enough trouble
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http://opensource.samsung.com/commu...pe=forum&threadId=1366&msgId=1366&forumType=8
KNOX was a problem on the SGS4 too, but devs got it handled. Same will happen with Note 3.....so cool yer jets.
Not being able to get updates because you are rooted has been an issue since the beginning of Android time and has nothing to do with knox. If you choose to root then it is warned that you must jump through hoops to get updates, known fact. Android being open source has nothing to do with your freedom to root and modify your device either. It is simply a means to allow any third party to make apps, widgets, theme engines, whatever, unlike a closed source like IOS where all developers have to go through Apple to get rights.
Knox is security, plain and simple. There have been a lot of malicious attacks on Android in the past year and this is an attempt of closing those back doors. Difficulty in rooting and flashing is a side effect not the direct target.
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Not being able to get updates because you are rooted has been an issue since the beginning of Android time and has nothing to do with knox. If you choose to root then it is warned that you must jump through hoops to get updates, known fact. Android being open source has nothing to do with your freedom to root and modify your device either. It is simply a means to allow any third party to make apps, widgets, theme engines, whatever, unlike a closed source like IOS where all developers have to go through Apple to get rights.
Knox is security, plain and simple. There have been a lot of malicious attacks on Android in the past year and this is an attempt of closing those back doors. Difficulty in rooting and flashing is a side effect not the direct target.
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EXACTLY!!! Thank You for posting this! Since you're a mod, maybe some people will actually believe you!!!
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