So was reading about Microsoft making a win10 custom ROM for android devices. Any chance we'll see it for our g3's? I'd love to give it a try.
The only thing I read was that MS was making it possible for Windows 10 to run Android Apps. Nothing about actually running Windows 10 Mobile on an Android device. That's news to me.
As it is, I despise Windows 8. It's horrid on a PC. Why would I want to use my PC like a mobile device? Absolutely the WORST decision Microsoft has ever made in the history of Windows (well, other than Bob). In the same vein, I hate the Windows Mobile interface as well. Just do not like it, so even if this is to be possible, no way would I do it. LOL!
iBolski said:
The only thing I read was that MS was making it possible for Windows 10 to run Android Apps. Nothing about actually running Windows 10 Mobile on an Android device. That's news to me.
As it is, I despise Windows 8. It's horrid on a PC. Why would I want to use my PC like a mobile device? Absolutely the WORST decision Microsoft has ever made in the history of Windows (well, other than Bob). In the same vein, I hate the Windows Mobile interface as well. Just do not like it, so even if this is to be possible, no way would I do it. LOL!
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I read it on CNET. I only use desktop view on my win8 PC. I haven't tried windows phones. I know the old ones sucked ass back when it was just windows mobile. My brother in law is in school for game Dev and he's super excited for win10. It's supposed to be the greatest leap for windows ever, or some sh**. Runs 1/3 lighter than win8.
caddermeran said:
I read it on CNET. I only use desktop view on my win8 PC. I haven't tried windows phones. I know the old ones sucked ass back when it was just windows mobile. My brother in law is in school for game Dev and he's super excited for win10. It's supposed to be the greatest leap for windows ever, or some sh**. Runs 1/3 lighter than win8.
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Ah, okay.
I remember that's what some people said about Windows 8. LOL! It still sucks regardless. We have Windows 2K12 servers here at work and when I have to log into one of those to administer web sites, I absolutely loath the interface. Start button my butt! It STILL pops me to that stupid main screen of tiles. If I want to find something not there, then I have move my mouse over to the search button way in the upper right-hand corner of the screen (of course, after clicking on the "Start" button to leave the desktop) and find it that way. I've pinned so many things to the task bar, it's uncanny. Worse design decision EVER by Microsoft.
Hey MS! My PC is NOT a mobile device! Quit treating it as such!
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Start button my butt! It STILL pops me to that stupid main screen of tiles.
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Or you could just use something like Classic Shell which will restore the start menu you are looking for.
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Or you could just use something like Classic Shell which will restore the start menu you are looking for.
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Yeah. I tried that and is does make it so much better, but it still just irks me how Microsoft decided to make a decision for me on how the ui should function and behave. Kind of like that fruit company. Lol. But 31st least, Microsoft didn't stop us from being able to use classic shell. Lol
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Yeah. I tried that and is does make it so much better, but it still just irks me how Microsoft decided to make a decision for me on how the ui should function and behave. Kind of like that fruit company. Lol. But 31st least, Microsoft didn't stop us from being able to use classic shell. Lol
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To be fair I can understand doing this in the test builds since Microsoft is wanting feedback on their own start menu. But they have done it at this point what's to say they won't try to do this come prime time for Windows 10?
Its amazing to still see people struggling with windows 8.1/2012 r2. Functions just like any other windows to me. I press the start key, type the program I want, and it opens. Just like windows 7. Plus I can set it to boot to the desktop instead of the full screen start menu anyways. I bet most people don't even take the time organize tiles into named groups to make it look nice.
As for the Windows 10 on our G3's, I was thinking about this very same thing during the BUILD conference. Microsoft is actually testing a custom Windows 10 flashable ROM on I believe some Xiaomi phones. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised by "new" Microsoft if they open sourced this Windows 10 android mutant ROM.
They have already said that an open source version of Windows is definitely a possibility. Plus they are now supporting the Raspberry Pi 2 with a free Windows 10 build.
If there is one way that Microsoft could push me to a Windows 10 phone, it would have to be with Continuum. If I can have a phone with an x86 CPU, and be able to just connect it to a monitor and it becomes a fully blown PC! Then they have just made a customer out of me.
Windows 10 is great, but it's never going to run on the LG because no one is going to write the device specific drivers needed to make it work, which is also why ASOP/ CM ROMs never work very well .
People that hate Windows 8 don't have touch screens and Classic Shell installed.
From the beginning when asked about Windows 8, I've said, "only if you have a touch screen, otherwise you'll hate it".
I am looking forward to Windows 10.
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Its amazing to still see people struggling with windows 8.1/2012 r2. Functions just like any other windows to me. I press the start key, type the program I want, and it opens. Just like windows 7. Plus I can set it to boot to the desktop instead of the full screen start menu anyways. I bet most people don't even take the time organize tiles into named groups to make it look nice.
As for the Windows 10 on our G3's, I was thinking about this very same thing during the BUILD conference. Microsoft is actually testing a custom Windows 10 flashable ROM on I believe some Xiaomi phones. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised by "new" Microsoft if they open sourced this Windows 10 android mutant ROM.
They have already said that an open source version of Windows is definitely a possibility. Plus they are now supporting the Raspberry Pi 2 with a free Windows 10 build.
If there is one way that Microsoft could push me to a Windows 10 phone, it would have to be with Continuum. If I can have a phone with an x86 CPU, and be able to just connect it to a monitor and it becomes a fully blown PC! Then they have just made a customer out of me.
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I understand how it works, but it's still a major shock. I'm used to NOT having to switch from desktop mode to the tile mode and then have to search for my app. It's more clicks/operations:
1. Hit window key or start button to switch to start screen
2. Scan the tiles or move my mouse to the search button and click it.
3. Type in the app to find and run
Old way:
1. Hit the window key or start button.
2. Type in the search button and my app shows up and run it.
Again, this works great for mobile devices, but the desktop, it's hideous. And this is nothing new. Ubuntu did this years ago and it also was horrid and people despised it. To this day, on Ubuntu, I will not run that interface. I replace it with either the KDE desktop or something else.
The overall movement of the interface is just awkward on a PC. It makes no sense at all.
But, that's my opinion I guess, but it appears to be a lot of people's feelings as well.
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I understand how it works, but it's still a major shock. I'm used to NOT having to switch from desktop mode to the tile mode and then have to search for my app. It's more clicks/operations:
1. Hit window key or start button to switch to start screen
2. Scan the tiles or move my mouse to the search button and click it.
3. Type in the app to find and run
Old way:
1. Hit the window key or start button.
2. Type in the search button and my app shows up and run it.
Again, this works great for mobile devices, but the desktop, it's hideous. And this is nothing new. Ubuntu did this years ago and it also was horrid and people despised it. To this day, on Ubuntu, I will not run that interface. I replace it with either the KDE desktop or something else.
The overall movement of the interface is just awkward on a PC. It makes no sense at all.
But, that's my opinion I guess, but it appears to be a lot of people's feelings as well.
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You're already doing more work then you need to in Windows 8 to search for things. There's no need to ever move your mouse or click the search icon. Just press the windows key and start typing your program name. It starts searching automatically as soon as you start typing. Its the same function as in windows 7. The only difference is that the start menu is full screen with pin-able tiles for most used programs. In terms of how many clicks it takes to navigate to a program, its substantially less in 8 than in 7.
I've never really considered the windows 8 tile menu to be much of a "tablet mode" though. Just a fancy start menu. In windows 10 however, it goes a bit deeper to make the OS more touch friendly when it detects you are on a tablet. Its been great on my Surface Pro 3. Automatically puts it into tablet mode when I disconnect my type cover.
I am a fan of Windows 8.1 (not so much 8), but it did have issue that I think Microsoft has dealt with beautifully in Windows 10.
Ya'll are both making it harder than it needs to be, simply find the shortcut exe's you use frequently and put a shortcut on your desktop for them. Then, set the pc to auto boot to desktop. Then, the number of times you'll have to deal with the (admittedly hideous) metro start screen will be minimal
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Ya'll are both making it harder than it needs to be, simply find the shortcut exe's you use frequently and put a shortcut on your desktop for them. Then, set the pc to auto boot to desktop. Then, the number of times you'll have to deal with the (admittedly hideous) metro start screen will be minimal
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Or install Classic Shell which brings back the classic start menu and lets you bypass the Metro UI.
... or stick with Windows 7 like I am.
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Or install Classic Shell which brings back the classic start menu and lets you bypass the Metro UI.
... or stick with Windows 7 like I am.
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And this is where I stay as well. Sorry, that Metro interface is horrid, period. Switching from desktop to the start screen is jarring to say the least. I just have NOT been able to get used to it. My PC does not have a touch screen, so it's even worse. My daughter has a notebook that has a touch screen, so it's fine there, but the UI is made for a touch screen and not every PC has one.
Yes, you can install Classic Shell, but again, why should I have to? Microsoft should have given us the option to have either one.
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And this is where I stay as well. Sorry, that Metro interface is horrid, period. Switching from desktop to the start screen is jarring to say the least. I just have NOT been able to get used to it. My PC does not have a touch screen, so it's even worse. My daughter has a notebook that has a touch screen, so it's fine there, but the UI is made for a touch screen and not every PC has one.
Yes, you can install Classic Shell, but again, why should I have to? Microsoft should have given us the option to have either one.
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To be fair I use Classic Shell on Windows 7 since I prefer the Windows XP Start Menu setup and I can customize things around such themeing and removing stuff that I don't use.
bb12489 said:
As for the Windows 10 on our G3's, I was thinking about this very same thing during the BUILD conference. Microsoft is actually testing a custom Windows 10 flashable ROM on I believe some Xiaomi phones. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised by "new" Microsoft if they open sourced this Windows 10 android mutant ROM.
They have already said that an open source version of Windows is definitely a possibility. Plus they are now supporting the Raspberry Pi 2 with a free Windows 10 build.
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I can see them putting out a flashable Windows ROM to certain devices, but no way it will be open source. They may well call it something like "Source Open Visual Basic" and make you use some proprietary IDE that only runs on Windows to manipulate themes or apps settings, but Microsoft will never open source any of their core products. Licensing and filesystems require separation of the two OS's. The only way they can get in on the Android action is to create some compatibility layer or emulator to run Android apps on their OS or build apps for distribution to Android users.
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I can see them putting out a flashable Windows ROM to certain devices, but no way it will be open source. They may well call it something like "Source Open Visual Basic" and make you use some proprietary IDE that only runs on Windows to manipulate themes or apps settings, but Microsoft will never open source any of their core products. Licensing and filesystems require separation of the two OS's. The only way they can get in on the Android action is to create some compatibility layer or emulator to run Android apps on their OS or build apps for distribution to Android users.
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That's just giving instru...ff from Android or iPhone to a Windows phone.
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Have you guys tried Windows 95 on HD2? It is a Bochs emulation, I can get it full screen (only VGA though) but can't get the mouse work. Although it is freeware, I saw it on a warez site and I don't know if it is legal or so, hence I'm not posting any links. Just google it if you're interested.
why would you do such a thing?
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why would you do such a thing?
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Why not ?
(curosity killed the cat)
me too
yeah im trying this too, i have to move the bochs windows around the screen, if you go on config, then misc and tick mouse then go on vga keyboard and press f12 and make sure the mouse is ticked it should eventually work, mine did.
anyone who gets it to work please fill us in on the blanks lol love the HD2 and it would be cool to get this bochs working, once we have this working we can simply use the configured settings and make our own win98 image
qemu
You should try Qemu instead, there is a russian port of it for WMobile, i have tested it on the HD2 with windows 95 and works surprisingly good,muuch faster than bochs, only issue is the small keyboard (BSB with pinchzoom helps lots though) and mouse implementation is no good...
I think if this port evolves and matures focused in the multitouch ( a bit like FPSECE is heading with v1.0) it could be one of the nicest surprises on our HD2!
Also played some games, Starcraft being one of them and its quite playable,even the intro and cd sound works (though lags a bit) Its by no means as fast as the pocketstarcraft port, but this is the real thing, all units and bloodwar expansion on it so its quite a nice
Windows itself works pretty fast once the vga drivers and all components are properly installed,there is one issue with the mouse icon,and few other glitches, but still nice and usable.
Im having lots of fun just installing stuff.
If there was any developer over this great forum working on the interface mainly, it would be amazing!
with some free time i will try to post a quick video in youtube if anyone is interested
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You should try Qemu instead, there is a russian port of it for WMobile, i have tested it on the HD2 with windows 95 and works surprisingly good,muuch faster than bochs, only issue is the small keyboard (BSB with pinchzoom helps lots though) and mouse implementation is no good...
I think if this port evolves and matures focused in the multitouch ( a bit like FPSECE is heading with v1.0) it could be one of the nicest surprises on our HD2!
Also played some games, Starcraft being one of them and its quite playable,even the intro and cd sound works (though lags a bit) Its by no means as fast as the pocketstarcraft port, but this is the real thing, all units and bloodwar expansion on it so its quite a nice
Windows itself works pretty fast once the vga drivers and all components are properly installed,there is one issue with the mouse icon,and few other glitches, but still nice and usable.
Im having lots of fun just installing stuff.
If there was any developer over this great forum working on the interface mainly, it would be amazing!
with some free time i will try to post a quick video in youtube if anyone is interested
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I would be interested if you could post a little guide for Windows 95 on QEMU or a video. Thanks.
Many thanks for this tip miko3d!
LOL!! HoMM2 are fully playable on my HD2 using this russian pack. This is superb-completely-amazing!
I see great potential there, sadly looks like this project is not going to be developed further..
All the details are there (just use google translate):
http://forum.pdaprime.ru/index.php?showtopic=45356
Hey that Qemu solution seems a lot better than the Bochs one indeed... got both my Win95 and Win98 images to run, and the mouse is even useable!
I didn't get the keyboard though, there are the couple of keys at the bottom, but is there a way to get a full onscreen keyboard within qemu, or do we have to play with the hardware button to show/hide SIP trick?
guys, this seems interesting.
instead of doing emulation, can we do something like the haret?
boot the phone from storage card and run win xp tablet on it?
what's going on? does it work? will u provide any screenshot?
ruffruff said:
instead of doing emulation, can we do something like the haret?
boot the phone from storage card and run win xp tablet on it?
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No, because PC versions of Windows are made to run on PC x86 processors, not on the ARM ones used in mobile devices. So, emulation is necessary.
Some screenshots...
nice, but what actual use is this, better to get ubuntu up and running and we can really have a play then.
None apart from fun... but ubuntu or linux in general wouldn't be any better if it's an x86 build. Emulation just makes everything way too slow for comfortable use.
Windows 95 runs also nice and perfect...
only thing is- i got no mouse xD
touchscreen is not working =/
edit: ah okay im still useing bochs, thats why ...
can anyone upload this files in the forum or on a hoster like rapidshare/uploadet ?
because i dont want in reg. me on this russian forum
yeah i second that but a compiled version!!!!
I created simple compilation with the latest QEMU WM port I could find.
All the credit for this goes to mamaich (excellent work!), I am merely sharing these files.
Links:
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Instructions:
1. Extract QEMU_WM.7z to the root folder on your SD card.
2. Extract additional packages (Win95 or Homm2) to 'emul' directory in QEMU folder.
3. Use qemu_launcher from QEMU folder to start selected VM.
Note: QEMU must be placed in '\Storage Card\QEMU\' directory, otherwise you have to edit 'cmdline.txt' etc files accordingly.
Generally, everything works well and pretty fast (as for emulation). Homm2 is completely playable (with sound!). On Win95 mouse cursor is a bit dodgy - it looks like button clicks are not detected correctly.
Please note that this software (Homm2, Win95) although very old, is still copyrighted, so don't download it if you haven't got license for it. If these links violate forum rules, please remove them.
Hi just a few quick questions:
Does the internet work on windows 95, e.g. can i go on internet explorer and actually go on websites?
Is it possible to run windows 98 on HTC HD2?
I've seen youtube videos with a HTC HD2 running windows xp, vista or 7 on them through remote desktop, is this possible or just a fake?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFiDZ_wBAtM
Can you please post some screens of your HTC HD2 running windows 95 with internet explorer on the screen, thanks alot!
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I've seen youtube videos with a HTC HD2 running windows xp, vista or 7 on them through remote desktop, is this possible or just a fake?
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Well as you said it's through remote desktop. So it's not fake, but the HD2 is not "running" them either, just displaying on its screen what another computer is running, and interacting with it.
aszu said:
On Win95 mouse cursor is a bit dodgy - it looks like button clicks are not detected correctly.
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They are, but it needs playing with one of the bottom buttons. See attached picture, the button pointed by the arrow is the key. When it's grey (default), a tap on the screen will do a left click. So a tap&drag will do a left click and drag, i.e selection, moving stuff, etc, which is why it looks weird to you. Tap the button, it turns to black, and now a tap&drag on the screen moves the cursor without clicking, like a laptop touchpad. The button on the left marked "rb" does the same as grey but with right mouse button.
So you need to turn the thing black, move the cursor where you want, tap it to grey, tap or double tap to single/double click, tap it to black, move to some other place, etc, toggling the button each time between movements and clicks. Not very convenient, but works.
I'd gladly try the net etc, but I just tested on my Win98 image, and it has IE and all network drivers stripped out, so no way. Plus, I still haven't found how to get an onscreen keyboard. And W98 is very slow.
Will have a look under W95 tomorrow, it seems that one was complete.
just curious if anyone switched back to WM6.5 after trying android on HD2 ? any particular reasons ?
After being an exclusive Windows Mobile user from the Pocket PC days in 2001, I tried Android on my HTC HD2 with great fear and trepidation. After 2 months i am VERY satisfied with Android and can't imagine ever going back.
Good luck with your decision.
never left WM, just run android on SD card
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I only tried one rom, it didn't work that well, and I hated not being able to customise it how I liked.
I absolutley hate sense/titanium/spb mobile shell... none of them work as well as my setup, I have my phone doing exactly what I want, when I want, and everything I use or need to see at all times is on my today screen. No other UI can currently give me that.
Every OS upgrade has brought less usability at the expense of 'looking nice', I hate having to go through multiple screens to do something as simple as turn on bluetooth and start a media player, one click for me and it's done. Same for many things.
I tried American Android on my HTC HD2. Battery life on all android sucks, so I am back on WM6.5. I am very sad Microsoft switched to WP7 after 6.5 is so cool.
Android must take care of battery management before releasing OS as now it just ruins the pleasure of Android OS. My WinMo6.5 lasts more than 4 days on one charge. I wanna see Android doing this
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I only tried one rom, it didn't work that well, and I hated not being able to customise it how I liked.
I absolutley hate sense/titanium/spb mobile shell... none of them work as well as my setup, I have my phone doing exactly what I want, when I want, and everything I use or need to see at all times is on my today screen. No other UI can currently give me that.
Every OS upgrade has brought less usability at the expense of 'looking nice', I hate having to go through multiple screens to do something as simple as turn on bluetooth and start a media player, one click for me and it's done. Same for many things.
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I particularly like Spb Mobile Shell. But if you've got something that works better for you than it does, I'd be interested to know what that might be. Can you tell me what makes your WinMo 6.x work so well for you?
FWIW I've never tried Android and don't anticipate doing so for quite awhile. Same for Windows Phone. I have too much invested in Windows Mobile Apps to move off it, especially since they do what I need them to do so well.
I came from using the original HTC Touch for nearly 4 years with WM6.5 and promptly went to try Android when I first got my HD2. The 2 most important thing to me on my phone is the email client and the web browsing. I couldn't get used to the native email app or K9 in Android and came back to WM6.5 for about a week.
I then took the dive to go to WP7 Mango and I love the email integration there. The web browsing is not very nice and Microsoft pushing the use of Bing is very frustrating, but the browser itself is decent. So while the battery life is absolutely horrible in WP7, it can still get me through the day on light usage.
So, I tried coming back to WM6.5 but there certainly are many things to like about the current generation operating systems. WM6.5 just feels sluggish comparatively because everything seems several more clicks away for me. There are various things I miss though. Apps I had purchased are a big one, but I can live without it for now. The other is the task manager. The automatic task management concept is a nice idea in Android but I like quick access and control over it (something ICS possibly has addressed). WP7 its not an issue for now because non-native apps don't run in the background.
Overall, I think you at least owe yourself to try Android since it can run alongside WM6.5. Give it a real shot because there are only going to be more and more things that are available to current gen OS that won't be ported to WM6.5
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I particularly like Spb Mobile Shell. But if you've got something that works better for you than it does, I'd be interested to know what that might be. Can you tell me what makes your WinMo 6.x work so well for you?
FWIW I've never tried Android and don't anticipate doing so for quite awhile. Same for Windows Phone. I have too much invested in Windows Mobile Apps to move off it, especially since they do what I need them to do so well.
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I guess that to me the essence of these new OS, and SPB Mobile Shell is that it puts form over function, to perform any action with those requires a lot more effort than it does with how I've set my phone up, it also seems to work slower.
For a start, I have on my Today Screen the things which I want to use or see most often. SPB Diary, easy today launcher, and alarmToday. I also use wkTask task manager for the tabs. My two soft keys are also customised, one runs WM5NewMenu (which is also run by long hold of the send key), the other runs a script I made with mortscript which closes all open programs, and resets the system settings to my default preferences, such as screen orientation and brightness.
In my WM5NewMenu popup menu, I have shortcuts to all the other things I use most frequently, such as messaging, not to open my inbox, but to open a text or email with the person I'm sending it to pre-defined. So for example if I want to text my wife, it's only 3 clicks from any screen. Note that WM5NewMenu is as quick as pressing right click with your mouse on your desktop, and each submenu is just as quick. I also backup my PIM data every day automatically have a script which sends it via email to myself, so if I have lose my phone or have to hard reset and my storage card get corrupted (or any other worst case scenario) I'll never be without the information I really need.
I also have google mobile in the launch menu, a couple of scripts to start/stop my media player, which will turn on bluetooth, allow me to connect my headset, then set the volume to maximum, offer a playlist selection and then lock the screen etc.
There are quick links to toggle WiFi and BlueTooth and start menu (the hardware buttons are too low for one handed use). I have one which opens my file explorer (apparently missing on WM7) to my IE favourites folder, and after I pick one it will close the file explorer again.
My lock screen is customised with the slider exactly where I find it the most comfortable to use, and the message is my phone number, in a different font, so I can show people easily when they ask and I've forgotten it.
A few other things without dragging on forever -
A Script which programs my work schedule into my diary with as little as 2 clicks for each day's work.
And I don't profess anything but a superficail knowledge of other OS, but the ability to use the same .LNKs and parameters as on my PC is extremely useful. For example, I can make a .LNK to the messaging .EXE, and include any or all of the following, To, CC, BCC, Subject, Content, and attatchments. Examples of use can be if you text the same thing each day, like 'I'm on my way home' would take a maximum of four clicks to send from any screen.
A coreplayer link which also sets the sreen brightness to max.
A lot of my .LNKs have different icons to the default program's
I've removed as much of the HTC customisations as I could find out how to, such as the HTC messaging.
I have a basic keylogging system in place (not a true keylogger, but it logs every time I use any program) so I can check when I did things. This sounds really anal or obsessive but, for example, it's usefull for when I take a break at work and forget when I started my lunch hour, I can just check what time I turned my phone on.
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Gastaroll said:
I tried American Android on my HTC HD2. Battery life on all android sucks, so I am back on WM6.5. I am very sad Microsoft switched to WP7 after 6.5 is so cool.
Android must take care of battery management before releasing OS as now it just ruins the pleasure of Android OS. My WinMo6.5 lasts more than 4 days on one charge. I wanna see Android doing this
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I have an external battery charger and have often managed to deplete one battery before the other has been charged, but this is while watching a film with a bluetooth headset and the screen brightness at maximum.
Tried Android on HD2 & native device, HD2 soon went back to WM6.5.3 because:
-Better battery life & charging control
-Customization of WM is unbeatable
-Every icon, position, text, background can be what I want
-Fast access to all daily tasks (wifi,tethering,BT,SIM switching,email) all handled within 1 or 2 touches & all status easily viewable
-Better Asian language support
-Better Language suite applications
-Better Office applications
-Excellent Video & music players.
-OS file system is easily handled & integrates & shares better with my Notebook files.
-Stability of my WM custom rom is faultless & backup/contact/file integration to Windows applications I use are not wanting replacing due to cost & time of setup.
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How do you do that? I haven't checked, but does Coreplayer have command line options that will allow you to start with max screen brightness?
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How do you do that? I haven't checked, but does Coreplayer have command line options that will allow you to start with max screen brightness?
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mortscript.
I thought that might be it. I haven't messed with mortscript for a couple of phones now. I once wrote a long script I used to report on calls, minutes and data, but it's been awhile.
Thanks
u can always boot Android from SD card and be certain that it won't mess up your WM...i've successfully ported gingerbread, froyo, honeycomb and ics on my HD2 and i'm very satisfied...have fun!
though, NAND versions are faster, more stable and have better development
no , but we wish that we can boot wm6.5 from nand / dual boot winmo and android like wph7 and android in that way maybe we boot winmo because i miss some apps there
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When I able to do this from my HD2 on android will switch on it until then wm 6.5 is my love hehe. Stupid microsoft and metro sh...t!!!!!!!!
Do not want to miss my tethered sync with Outlook
rabilancia said:
After being an exclusive Windows Mobile user from the Pocket PC days in 2001, I tried Android on my HTC HD2 with great fear and trepidation. After 2 months i am VERY satisfied with Android and can't imagine ever going back.
Good luck with your decision.
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I keep with WinMo6.5 because I want to do everything locally. I just don't like the buzz about putting everything on third party servers and airtime communications.
My mails are on my own servers and those of my company. When I sync my mails& contacts I use only my own electrons flowing through my private USB cables.
Neither Apple, nor Google, nor Microsoft need to know what I am doing, who i have as contacts and where I curently am located.
Additionally I am traveling frequently abroad and don't want to pay horrid sums per MByte on roaming fees.
I don't like androids behavior to start applications without asking me and there is no way to stop that, so I will keep using WM. Suck it android!
Yes and No
I got my phone in July 2010 and loved it. Battery life was bad and a lot of tweaks had to be done (thanks XDA). I got the courage to flash a custom WinMo rom by November 2010. Heard so many things about Android and tried it in 2011 and hated it. It was still shabby with Gingerbread and I missed Microsoft Office on the phone and exchange services. I ran back to WinMo after some days and didn't look back.
The world seemed to pass by and with no interest in Winmo, app development ceased (except here). WP7/7.5/8 just looked like a giant leap backwards and never tickled my fancy. Blackberry was a no. Iphone seemed overpriced. Ubuntu not out yet. That left Android, the most like the WinMo we all love. I don't like being stuck in the past, and my phone will be changed as soon as I see a decent one. The great phones now are all android. Why not seize the opportunity the HD2 afforded us to try everything?
Feb 2013, I flashed Android on NAND with Jelly Bean 4.1.2. It really has matured as an OS and I found out the best things about my Winmo UI are almost all incorporated into the ROM without much modding/tweaking. Since then, I have been happy with the phone. It can once again do things 95% percent of phones can't do. Battery life is still bad, thanks to Google syncing the lives of millions needlessly.
I really prefer avoiding storing personal information on Google servers like someone noted. There should always be options for offline methods as a backup. Maybe I am getting old and should follow the trend?
This ended up quite long, but bottom line is Android on my HD2 is a necessary step in the evolution of technology for me. Thank you and God bless.
I'm tinkering with Remix, and really like it. However, one thing I need is the ability to control it from another machine's keyboard and mouse. Currently I use Mouse Without Borders to do this on a Windows machine. Is there something similar available for Remix/Android? My searches in the Play store have come up empty. Thanks in advance!
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Thanks for the reply, but that doesn't work. If you've never used Mouse Without Borders, it lets you control one Windows machine with just your keyboard and mouse from another machine on the same local network. You position them in the app as they are laid out before you (i.e. one to the left of the other), and the mouse and keyboard move seamlessly between the two as if they were two screens on the same machine.
If there is nothing like that for Android, then Remix won't work for my usage scenario, which is a shame, since it is a great OS!
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Thanks for the reply, but that doesn't work. If you've never used Mouse Without Borders, it lets you control one Windows machine with just your keyboard and mouse from another machine on the same local network. You position them in the app as they are laid out before you (i.e. one to the left of the other), and the mouse and keyboard move seamlessly between the two as if they were two screens on the same machine.
If there is nothing like that for Android, then Remix won't work for my usage scenario, which is a shame, since it is a great OS!
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I needed to install it to understand what it does; and it's sort of like having a second; extended display except it not and as such very light weight. I was surprised at how small it was (1MB). It sort of depends on your usage; but there are extended display apps but they are more used to extend your current windows system rather than provide a joined windows==android display setup.
Apps like Splashtop Extended Display, iDisplay and AirDisplay would be examples.
If it is an android==windows screen setup you want, then something involving vnc etc. like Teamviewer as said above or Vysor and an application that creates a fake second display (I used one a while ago; might take a while to find again) that you can copy the VNC window onto would give you that functionality from MwB.
Drag and drop stuff would be a nogo or at least not as simple as MwB...
Hello, everyone!
So as we all know, any developments to do with the Yoga Book seem to be very slow.
Considering a decent number of us have experimented with the Yoga Book, I thought it'd be a good idea to make a centralised place for methods that have worked for people, so we can all have a go and hopefully obtain similar results.
So the idea would hopefully end up being something along the lines of my Megathread (which is now in General).
I guess this is where I get the ball rolling...
Most Promising Leads for Installing Android (1/12/17)
I have tried to install Bliss OS, but with not much luck. Once you get passed the GRUB screen it says there was an emergency error of some kind and reboots the device.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/x86-bliss-x86-pc-s-t3534657
I found that his updated installer (v25.0004) doesn't work at all, but the latest version from the original developer worked fine, linked below:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/winapp-android-x86-installer-uefi-t3222483
I followed the following methods, all which resulted in a failed attempt, but the one with the most success was the first one:
- Easy install for Bliss-x86 UEFI/ESP
- For Bliss-x86 USB based installs
- Custom install for Bliss-x86 UEFI/ESP
My next attempt will be with Phoenix OS.
OLD INFO (as of 1/12/17)
Edit: I managed to replicate my situation twice. So I now have a method. Will post more info soon.
Okay... so if you want to get into Remix OS (knowing it's only temporary), here's how to replicate what I did. But make sure you have the following tools:
- USB keyboard & microUSB to USB adaptor (for the keyboard)
- Remix OS (I'm using the 64-bit version)
- A bit of time
What I did:
- Install Remix OS (doesn't matter what size you choose; 8, 16 or 32) on your C: Drive (main Local Disk) with the bundled installer
- Reboot when it finishes (via the dialog box, don't reboot any other way... it won't work properly)
- Give it about 10-15 minutes on the first boot. It'll be "stuck" at this Android-looking thing (mine's all glitched up and stuff)
- When it's done it'll show a black screen, and the Pencil icon to switch the Halo Keyboard on/off will stop turning on&off, it'll instead just stay on 100% of the time
- Reboot again, again choosing to boot into Remix OS
- As soon as you choose Remix OS, you NEED to hold the escape (ESC) key!!! If you don't do this, you'll have to start from scratch
- If you did it right, it'll come up with a couple lines of code, and then after a couple second it'll say "ANDROID" underneath the code, and everything will load up
- Everything should be in portrait-mode, but you should have no graphical glitches now, and should see the setup screen
- The touch-screen still shouldn't work here, you need to use the keyboard to navigate through the setup. If the Wi-Fi bit isn't connecting properly, do that later (just skip that step, up the top right). I left Google Play Services enabled, it doesn't matter, it won't ask for your information unless you open a Google App.
- When you finish the installation, everything should work (except the Halo Keyboard of course)
- To make Remix OS take up the whole screen instead of just the middle... go to the Settings App -> Remix OS Settings (whatever the top one is) -> Always show landscape thingo, toggling this off will make it use the whole screen instead of that little square in the middle.
This is far as I've gotten. I've tried getting USB Debugging to work, but it doesn't want to work. Bluetooth doesn't work for me, nor does changing the brightness. I wouldn't lock the tablet either, sometimes that doesn't work. Also don't try use the Google Play Store, because when you finish entering your information, it'll likely crash and you'll have to start over again. Rebooting will reset everything.
OLD INFO (as of 30/03/17)
I've had some random luck (as told in my recent post, I'll quote it here) with Remix OS.
I had a minor breakthrough last night. I don't know how I managed it though.
So Remix OS has an installer application you can run from within Windows. I used that, then rebooted into Remix OS. The first boot was met with just lots of graphical errors, but when I rebooted again into Remix OS, it booted perfectly. Android was running smoothly, everything worked (the touch screen, Wi-Fi, etc. - but not the Halo Keyboard). However, when I rebooted again, it stopped working. I was not able to successfully replicate that again - even with many re-installations of Remix OS.
I'll continue to mess with it, but if anyone has Windows and wants to attempt getting Android on it, this may be a viable method they can try. But of course, it's not perfect so don't do anything you don't know how to do just yet.
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Somehow I managed to get it working, but only temporarily.
If I'm able to replicate this situation again, I may be able to install the Stock ROM alongside Windows 10. However, I don't have all the time in the world, so this may take a long while.
General Yoga Book Information:
To my knowledge, there are two versions of the Yoga Book, each with two sub-versions for the OS:
1.) YB1-X9aF - this is the Wi-Fi version
2.) YB1-X9aL - this is the LTE/4G version
Where the "a" between the 9 and the F/L is either a zero or a one, depending on the installed OS (Android: 0, Windows 10: 1)
The SIM card is a Nano-SIM with 3G capability.
Other than that, all Yoga Book devices share the following specifications:
- 10.1 inch IPS display, of resolution 1920x1200
- Intel Atom x5-Z8550 processor, which:
----+ Has an architecture of x86_64 (ie. 64-bit)
----+ Core base clock of 1.44 gigahertz
----+ Core boost clock of 2.4 gigahertz
----+ 4 cores and 4 threads
- Battery capacity of 8500 milliampere hours
- On-board storage of 64 gigabytes of solid-state storage (SSD)
- 4 gigabytes of random-access memory (RAM)
- A microSD card slot capable of up to 128 gigabytes of storage
- Two camera's, one above the display and one on the keyboard
- Wi-Fi (802.11 ac) and Bluetooth (v4)
- 3.5 millimetre headphone jack
- Micro-USB 2.0 OTG port
- Micro-HDMI port
Any information I put about my experience will be with the YB1-X91F version (aka Windows 10 Wi-Fi)
Dual OS or Switching the pre-installed one:
I have attempted getting Android on my Yoga Book, and completely deleting everything Windows. This has obviously not gone very well for me.
Version's I've tried:
- Android x86 6.0-r1
- Android x86_64 6.0-r1
- Android x86 6.0 20160129
- Android Nougat x86 20160902
- Android 4.2.2-r1 "ia3-core mesa-userdebug"
- Remix OS (32 & 64-bit)
The one I personally have had the most success with (by that I mean I've gotten it to display the Android set-up screen with no touch-input) is the 32-bit version of 6.0-r1 (so the first one on my list above).
Other OS's that I've tried/succeeded in running:
- GParted Live 0.28.1-2 i686 (although, the whole screen is in portrait mode)
- Ubuntu 16.10 Desktop (amd64 - so it obviously didn't work)
- Windows 10 with AMIDuOS on-top (honestly wasn't that great)
Currently testing:
- Windows 10 with BlueStacks on-top
TLDR:
If you're on the Windows 10 version of the Yoga Book, I cannot recommend attempting to install Android on it (even with a dual-boot) at this current time. This will probably change if x86 Android update their ROM/Image, though.
I'm currently testing the practicality of putting BlueStacks on-top of Windows 10, which is a player that allows you to run Android apps. The only thing I'm keeping an eye on is battery life (since it'll be doing background tasks for Windows AND Android). However, you will at least have full functionality - especially with the Halo Keyboard.
Ehh... BlueStacks isn't that great after all. Personally I'd stick with Windows apps if you need something like that.
I will add more info and links later on, I just wanted to get this out before hitting the hay. Australia's time difference sucks.
AmiDuOS works for me but the keyboard language cannot be changed somehow.
nan0s7 said:
Hello, everyone!
So as we all know, any developments to do with the Yoga Book seem to be very slow.
Considering a decent number of us have experimented with the Yoga Book, I thought it'd be a good idea to make a centralised place for methods that have worked for people, so we can all have a go and hopefully obtain similar results.
So the idea would hopefully end up being something along the lines of my Megathread (which is now in General).
I guess this is where I get the ball rolling...
General Yoga Book Information:
To my knowledge, there are two versions of the Yoga Book, each with two sub-versions for the OS:
1.) YB1-X9aF - this is the Wi-Fi version
2.) YB1-X9aL - this is the LTE/4G version
Where the "a" between the 9 and the F/L is either a zero or a one, depending on the installed OS (Android: 0, Windows 10: 1)
Any information I put about my experience will be with the YB1-X91F version (aka Windows 10 Wi-Fi)
Dual OS or Switching the pre-installed one:
I have attempted getting Android on my Yoga Book, and completely deleting everything Windows. This has obviously not gone very well for me.
Version's I've tried:
- Android x86 6.0-r1
- Android x86_64 6.0-r1
- Android x86 6.0 20160129
- Android Nougat x86 20160902
- Android 4.2.2-r1 "ia3-core mesa-userdebug"
- Remix OS (32 & 64-bit)
The one I personally have had the most success with (by that I mean I've gotten it to display the Android set-up screen with no touch-input) is the 32-bit version of 6.0-r1 (so the first one on my list above).
Other OS's that I've tried/succeeded in running:
- GParted Live 0.28.1-2 i686 (although, the whole screen is in portrait mode)
- Ubuntu 16.10 Desktop (amd64 - so it obviously didn't work)
Currently testing:
- Windows 10 with AMIDuOS on-top
TLDR:
If you're on the Windows 10 version of the Yoga Book, I cannot recommend attempting to install Android on it (even with a dual-boot) at this current time. This will probably change if x86 Android update their ROM/Image, though.
I'm currently testing the practicality of putting AMIDuOS on-top of Windows 10, which will be like having an app that just runs Android. The only thing I'm keeping an eye on is battery life (since it'll be doing background tasks for Windows AND Android). However, you will at least have full functionality - especially with the Halo Keyboard.
I will add more info and links later on, I just wanted to get this out before hitting the hay. Australia's time difference sucks.
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AmiDuOS works for me but the keyboard language cannot be changed somehow.
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Have you tried different keyboard apps?
Well on screen keyboard works fine. I just can't change the key mappings of the Halo keyboard to my German keyboard. English may work as that seems to be the default.
deepsync said:
Well on screen keyboard works fine. I just can't change the key mappings of the Halo keyboard to my German keyboard. English may work as that seems to be the default.
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Hmm you're right. I've tried switching to a Polish keyboard in AMIDuOS, and it doesn't work at all. Although I didn't try switching the keyboard language in Windows, and then using AMIDuOS. I'm kind of optimistic that that method may work, so possibly give that a try if you haven't yet?
Are you gonna try again if you can get your hands on Lenovo's stock Yoga Book ROM?
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Are you gonna try again if you can get your hands on Lenovo's stock Yoga Book ROM?
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I do actually have a copy of the stock ROM, but not in a format I can put on the Yoga Book without the Android bootloader installed. The versions of Android I tested were ones that include the files for the bootloader and such, but they didn't want to work properly.
If something new comes up, or I get another idea, I will for sure try again. I prefer to use Android over Windows, any day.
I had a minor breakthrough last night. I don't know how I managed it though.
So Remix OS has an installer application you can run from within Windows. I used that, then rebooted into Remix OS. The first boot was met with just lots of graphical errors, but when I rebooted again into Remix OS, it booted perfectly. Android was running smoothly, everything worked (the touch screen, Wi-Fi, etc. - but not the Halo Keyboard). However, when I rebooted again, it stopped working. I was not able to successfully replicate that again - even with many re-installations of Remix OS.
I'll continue to mess with it, but if anyone has Windows and wants to attempt getting Android on it, this may be a viable method they can try. But of course, it's not perfect so don't do anything you don't know how to do just yet.
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However, when I rebooted again, it stopped working. I was not able to successfully replicate that again - even with many re-installations of Remix OS.
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Why so much headache? If you are having the Windows Version how often do you really miss Android? What Apps are not present under Windows? I am absolutely not a gamer, that's probably why I don't really have the need for Android... Anyhow, why installing Remix OS and risking to mess up with the Bootloader? I tried NOX Player and KO Player. The last one works very smooth on an Atom Processor. KO Player even let you go Fullscreen. Everything works out off the box as it's just a layer, Halo Keyboard, Pen, just all works and pretty decent. Many low equipped Android Tablets perform slower...
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Why so much headache? If you are having the Windows Version how often do you really miss Android? What Apps are not present under Windows? I am absolutely not a gamer, that's probably why I don't really have the need for Android... Anyhow, why installing Remix OS and risking to mess up with the Bootloader? I tried NOX Player and KO Player. The last one works very smooth on an Atom Processor. KO Player even let you go Fullscreen. Everything works out off the box as it's just a layer, Halo Keyboard, Pen, just all works and pretty decent. Many low equipped Android Tablets perform slower...
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I've got Windows machines all around me. Which is... tolerable. But it's more that I just enjoy having Android on my device, and I do really enjoy messing with tech. I've gotten so close to getting Android on my tablet, it's just a project to really satisfy my time with. Plus, with Android I have more control over everything
nan0s7 said:
I've gotten so close to getting Android on my tablet, it's just a project to really satisfy my time with. Plus, with Android I have more control over everything
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As a techie achievement I totally understand. But I doubt you will get all the drivers working properly. Halo Keyboard, Wacom & AnyPen for example. But good luck... On the other hand I have to insist: Windows gives you more control over everything... lol...
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As a techie achievement I totally understand. But I doubt you will get all the drivers working properly. Halo Keyboard, Wacom & AnyPen for example. But good luck... On the other hand I have to insist: Windows gives you more control over everything... lol...
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Once I get some sort of Android on it, that will allow me to flash a ROM that has all the drivers in it. And it depends what you define control as...
nan0s7 said:
Once I get some sort of Android on it, that will allow me to flash a ROM that has all the drivers in it. And it depends what you define control as...
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Hey dude,
It looks like this thread hasn't had a great deal of attention lately, which is kinda sad. I figured it would be a really tricky endeavour anyway.
Anywho, just letting you know that if you do ever figure this out, there's one chick in Australia whom will owe you her eternal thanks.
Seriously, I tried to Remix, I tried to x86, but all it got me was a trip to Harvey Norman and a 2-5 week waiting period to get my book back. If you get a flashable Android ROM for this thing you will be my favourite person in the whole world ever. :laugh:
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Hey dude,
It looks like this thread hasn't had a great deal of attention lately, which is kinda sad. I figured it would be a really tricky endeavour anyway.
Anywho, just letting you know that if you do ever figure this out, there's one chick in Australia whom will owe you her eternal thanks.
Seriously, I tried to Remix, I tried to x86, but all it got me was a trip to Harvey Norman and a 2-5 week waiting period to get my book back. If you get a flashable Android ROM for this thing you will be my favourite person in the whole world ever. :laugh:
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Haha damn sounds like a.... fun time
But yeah, there hasn't been much progress. I mean you could always run an emulator on-top of Windows if you NEED an Android tablet.
nan0s7 said:
Haha damn sounds like a.... fun time
But yeah, there hasn't been much progress. I mean you could always run an emulator on-top of Windows if you NEED an Android tablet.
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I didn't NEED Android until I discovered Freeview FV, so I could watch Highway Patrol without taking the TV from my hubby. Between that and the few apps I use for D&D, I'm sort of regretting going with the Windows version.
I can't really do anything until I get it back, anyway. The furthest I got was successfully installing Remix, but it wouldn't accept any external input when trying to select it from the boot menu. I guess I could use an emu, but it's not as good as the real thing.
Melliejoy said:
I didn't NEED Android until I discovered Freeview FV, so I could watch Highway Patrol without taking the TV from my hubby. Between that and the few apps I use for D&D, I'm sort of regretting going with the Windows version.
I can't really do anything until I get it back, anyway. The furthest I got was successfully installing Remix, but it wouldn't accept any external input when trying to select it from the boot menu. I guess I could use an emu, but it's not as good as the real thing.
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Yeah I wish I had gotten the Android version, but I got mine for a reduced price... so I can't complain too much ;P
Yeah... none of the emus are perfect anyway. I'm hoping that a new version of x86 Android or Remix OS will allow me to get ADB to work, so I can then flash Android. But I'm not holding my breath for that.
Any recent experimenting with Remix? Im about to download it and see what I can gather. Too bad there's about zero android devs on this thing. Im sure a custom Kernel under RemixOS would be fix most of its problems.
sawyerbenjamin said:
Any recent experimenting with Remix? Im about to download it and see what I can gather. Too bad there's about zero android devs on this thing. Im sure a custom Kernel under RemixOS would be fix most of its problems.
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Nah I haven't done anything recently. But if you're having trouble getting things booted use my method (assuming it still works now) and I guess see what you can do
nan0s7 said:
I do actually have a copy of the stock ROM, but not in a format I can put on the Yoga Book without the Android bootloader installed. The versions of Android I tested were ones that include the files for the bootloader and such, but they didn't want to work properly.
If something new comes up, or I get another idea, I will for sure try again. I prefer to use Android over Windows, any day.
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Is your stock ROM for YB1-X90F or YB1-X90L?
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Is your stock ROM for YB1-X90F or YB1-X90L?
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I have both. Got them from easy-firmware (had to pay for the X90F version).
They're not "ROMS" so much as they are just a way to replace Android with this particular version. So it comes with all the .img files for each partition you'd normally see (system, boot, etc.) and some scripts to use with the Intel flasher program thingo.
Can we install Windows 10 on the S7/S7+?
LMFAO
Please tell me you're kidding?
Yes we can.
FAQ
It's not as stupid of a question as you guys make it seem. Windows 10 ARM version exists (but there is no way to get a legal license and/or installation media for it) for the Surface Pro X and a few other devices. Of course there would most likely be no drivers, but in theory Win 10 COULD be possibly.. but yea in reality it's not at the moment.
Is anybody able to use a windows emulator? I tried Linux on it but wondering if there's a better way to use Windows apps if I need to other than remoting into my PC
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Is anybody able to use a windows emulator? I tried Linux on it but wondering if there's a better way to use Windows apps if I need to other than remoting into my PCi highly appreciate your factual statement, thankyou for elaboration, i wasn't aware of much of the info.
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I've found a few solutions to this. Ibochs works but is basically unusable. TeamViewer allows you to wake up your home PC and control it. This works surprisingly well if you have a good connection. Microsoft also has an app called Azure that lets you use a virtual desktop for less than $.01/hr if you can't wake up your home PC over ip for some reason
I'm going to go out on a limb here and use a throwback analogy... Much like a free ride from a partner with an STD... Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should... LOL