The nexus 6P seems to have a much improved camera. Based on DXOMark it is up there with the S6 and Z5.
http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Google-Nexus-6P-review-Serious-contender-for-mobile-photography
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The nexus 6P seems to have a much improved camera. Based on DXOMark it is up there with the S6 and Z5.
http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Google-Nexus-6P-review-Serious-contender-for-mobile-photography
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I'm surprised they are saying the 6P is better than a G4 camera. I hope so...but the true test is an indiviadual owner. Cant wait till the end of the month when my 6P 64GB Aluminium shows up!!
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-Impressive detail preservation in low light conditions, by far the best tested to date
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-Impressive detail preservation in low light conditions, by far the best tested to date
This caught my attention
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Agreed! Even my old N5 camera was plenty good with good lighting but low light is where it was TERRIBLE (and motion pics), so if this were the only improvement, that would be a huge win for me.
That said, I'm also excited about all of the other improvements as well!
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Agreed! Even my old N5 camera was plenty good with good lighting but low light is where it was TERRIBLE (and motion pics), so if this were the only improvement, that would be a huge win for me.
That said, I'm also excited about all of the other improvements as well!
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It's those bigger pixels.
Bigger pixels is gooder pixels.
My old d5100 pixels size is over 3 times the nexus - remarkable detail and low light performance. Almost makes a flash unnecessary.
Many poo pood the new camera for no ois - they don't understand what pixel size can do for ya.
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It's those bigger pixels.
Bigger pixels is gooder pixels.
My old d5100 pixels size is over 3 times the nexus - remarkable detail and low light performance. Almost makes a flash unnecessary.
Many poo pood the new camera for no ois - they don't understand what pixel size can do for ya.
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I too don't yet fully trust that the pixel size will make that big a difference because of lack of experience (it makes perfect scientific sense though), but I'm more than willing to keep an open mind and me hopeful about it. Your comment only increases my hopes now!!
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I too don't yet fully trust that the pixel size will make that big a difference because of lack of experience (it makes perfect scientific sense though), but I'm more than willing to keep an open mind and me hopeful about it. Your comment only increases my hopes now!!
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Problem with packing more pixels in a given size is they get closer together. Especially so on a hand held where space comes at a premium and everything has to fit in an extremely small form factor. That makes the pixels and chips smaller.
The the more pixels ya want, the smaller, and close together they have to be. And the smaller they are, the less sensitive they get as they tend to bleed light from one pixel to another.
Light sensitivity and detail goes down as you now have to filter out that bleed.
As far as ois goes, it helps you shoot with lower exposure times in low light.
More light sensitivity equals longer exposure times at lower light levels, which equals less need for ois, and another big thing - less software massaging to filter out the noise inherent with that bleed - and that filtering removes detail.
So ya see, bigger pixels is gooder pixels.
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Problem with packing more pixels in a given size is they get closer together. Especially so on a hand held where space comes at a premium and everything has to fit in an extremely small form factor. That makes the pixels and chips smaller.
The the more pixels ya want, the smaller, and close together they have to be. And the smaller they are, the less sensitive they get as they tend to bleed light from one pixel to another.
Light sensitivity and detail goes down as you now have to filter out that bleed.
As far as ois goes, it helps you shoot with lower exposure times in low light.
More light sensitivity equals longer exposure times at lower light levels, which equals less need for ois, and another big thing - less software massaging to filter out the noise inherent with that bleed - and that filtering removes detail.
So ya see, bigger pixels is gooder pixels.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the HTC go on about how the M8 camera had a big pixel size but In the end the fact it was low resolution ruined it.
Less photosites on same surface also lead to less heating on the sensible surface, making less noise.
More pixel only useful if you're gonna make bigger print. (or drastically reframe). Let's face it : if you wanna make poster print from your cellphone, you're doing something wrong.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the HTC go on about how the M8 camera had a big pixel size but In the end the fact it was low resolution ruined it.
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Pixel size isn't everything, but that doesn't mean it's not a good thing.
What to do with it is another thing. You can see this in real cameras where same sensor is used, but different camera manufacturers have different ideas on what to do with it. Some filter more aggressively to get a smoother picture, some less to get more detail.
Probably more important to picture quality is the glass you're shooting through. You'll never see the true capabilities of a sensor if shooting through cheap glass.
Not being an HTC engineer, I can't say what their goals were with their camera, but I do know the testing someone like dxomark can do will hold true in real life. This isn't like benchmarking a cpu.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the HTC go on about how the M8 camera had a big pixel size but In the end the fact it was low resolution ruined it.
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However wasnt HTCs resolution much smaller? Something along the lines of 4mp if I'm not mistaken. 12mp will be far from low resolution.
BTW, if you really will print often and big enough to feel 12mp limiting, you will probably be even more limited by other flaws in cellphones cameras... Lack of field depth control, lack of optical zoom, lack of good and interchangeable lenses...
I'm really glad Google choose to limit megapixels and worked on image quality instead!
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However wasnt HTCs resolution much smaller? Something along the lines of 4mp if I'm not mistaken. 12mp will be far from low resolution.
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4.1 I think it was - sounds more and more like it was just a cheap arse sensor.
I tried to find a picture on DxO that was taken on both the Sony Z5 and Nexus 6P.
One has more detail than the other. Guess which?
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The top one is the nexus and the bottom is the Sony. It easy to tell because of the lighting
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I tried to find a picture on DxO that was taken on both the Sony Z5 and Nexus 6P.
One has more detail than the other. Guess which?
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The top one wins! Yes ours is better!
My only concern, though, are the videos from the Nexus 6P. I think Google said they would be improving the image stabilization with software?
Bottom pic looks better I think?
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Bottom pic looks better I think?
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I'd vote for the top, it seems clearer to me.
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Theres alot of misrepresentation going around about the One's ultrapixel camera. Fact is, most people dont really understand what a technological breakthrough it really is. HTC published a white paper on it, and its good reading for anyone that is interested. Ive seen people say "Well, its just a suped up 4MP camera". Well, thats not really true. Do you all remember back when Intel released the Core 2 Duo processors? It was at the peak of the mhz war. The higher the mhz the faster the processor, right? Well, no. The Core 2 Duo was a breakthrough in showing its not just about mhz. Intel effectively showed a C2D chip at 2.5mhz was SIGNIFICANTLY faster than a previous 3.7mhz chip. Its all in the archetecture.
So, the link to the white paper is HERE. Its not super technical, but does a great job outlining why the Ultra pixel camera is different, and how its a huge leap in technology from previous cameras. Ive quoted a few notable excerpts from the paper below.
For years, a misconception among most consumers is that the higher the megapixel count, the better quality of images. Actually, the number of megapixels is only one of many factors that determine picture quality, with sensors and image processors each playing a critical role.
The 2.0 micrometer UltraPixel has effectively twice the surface area of the typical 1.4 micrometer pixel found on 8MP solutions from leading competitors and far larger than the 1.1 micrometer pixel on 13MP sensors.
In order to provide the best quality on our camera, we have designed our own HTC ImageChip 2 to perform some of the processing at the hardware level.
Aperture is the width that a camera lens opens when a picture gets taken.
Aperture is measured in f-stops, with the smallest f-stop numbers representing the largest apertures.
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One of the biggest complaints about smartphone cameras has been blurry photos. There are two main reasons for this:
Length of time required to capture an image, resulting in misaligned light streams coming into the sensor.
The physical shaking of the hand while holding the camera or pressing the shutter button.
To address the first issue, HTC's camera is now capable of capturing full size photos in up to 1/48 of a second, compared to 1/30 of a second from other competitors and the HTC One X (2012). This is a significant improvement in shutter speed on a smartphone camera, producing photos and videos that are sharper and clearer in all conditions.
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And for those who would like an intro of how aperture works, HERE is a great link.
Yep, the One has a great image sensor for a cellphone. Sure it's pictures wont blow up as big as the S4's pictures, but these 4MP pics look great on my 55 inch G Series Panasonic plasma. I mean how much bigger do you want them? I'm not one to crop my pictures, nor am I one to use a digital zoom. My feet are my zoom (think of using a prime lens). I would like to see HTC remove the AA filter and give us just us the raw images. That would be pretty awesome, and in theory it would really show off what HTC is trying to do.
In the meantime I've been able to get some great shots, and that's good enough for me.
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Theres alot of misrepresentation going around about the One's ultrapixel camera. Fact is, most people dont really understand what a technological breakthrough it really is. HTC published a white paper on it, and its good reading for anyone that is interested. Ive seen people say "Well, its just a suped up 4MP camera". Well, thats not really true. Do you all remember back when Intel released the Core 2 Duo processors? It was at the peak of the mhz war. The higher the mhz the faster the processor, right? Well, no. The Core 2 Duo was a breakthrough in showing its not just about mhz. Intel effectively showed a C2D chip at 2.5mhz was SIGNIFICANTLY faster than a previous 3.7mhz chip. Its all in the archetecture.
So, the link to the white paper is HERE. Its not super technical, but does a great job outlining why the Ultra pixel camera is different, and how its a huge leap in technology from previous cameras. Ive quoted a few notable excerpts from the paper below.
And for those who would like an intro of how aperture works, HERE is a great link.
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Unrelated, Actually it was AMD that showed Intel that Mhz was the wrong way of looking at things. Intel turned the war around when they started thinking like AMD. AMD grabbed a lot of market share during those times. P2-PD years. Now back to the info on great camera tech
(photography geek here)
I applaud HTC's decision to back away from the megapixel war and focus on photosite size and light-gathering capabilities. Cell phones have been capable of taking decent photos in good lighting for some time, but its a rare phone that can take non-blurry, non-noise-laden photos in even most average room lighting. The typical lux ratings of the average living room are astonishingly low, actually -- it's a testament to the design of our eyes that we see so well when most cameras really struggle to gather sufficient light.
Anyway, as I said, I love the direction HTC has gone, although in reality I think they sacrificed too much resolution to reach their goal. 4MP is simply not enough in many scenarios. Go thoroughly read the in depth comparisons on some of the thorough HTC One / Galaxy S4 reviews (such as Anandtech's exhaustive review/comparo) and it becomes obvious: While the One holds a measurable advantage in low-light scenarios, its lack of resolution often negates any benefits that it offers. Given equivalent exposure, competitors' 8-13MP images can be downsampled to match the 4MP max output of the One, generally reducing the effect of visible noise, while offering vastly improved sharpness and details.
And the output from the One in low light, medium-high ISO situations is not nearly as clean or sharp as you would think based on the "Ultrapixel" claims. Any base, entry-model, bare bones point and shoot camera would outperform it in areas of detail, clarity, noise handling and dynamic range.
Still, it's true that the One can absolutely enable shots in extremely low lighting situations that other camera phones simply can't capture at all due to the limitations of their apertures and ISO ceilings. But in average low-light scenarios, the One isn't as far ahead of the competition as you would think after reading that white paper (don't forget, "white paper" is industry code for "scientific sounding paid advertisement").
All this said, I love the One and its camera, flaws and all. The fact that it enables me to get keepers, even if not the best, in situations when other camera phones would simply produce a dark, blurred mess, makes the tradeoff worth it. And since most of my phone photos go to a typical web gallery (i.e. - not huge printed output), the results are acceptable.
In the end, my point is simply that while HTC has gone in an excellent direction, they need to strike a better balance between sensor & photosite size and resolution. Other improvements, such as moving away from plastic lens elements, improved processing algorithms, etc would make up for a lot as well. A 6-8MP HTC One with Apple's sapphire lens elements and a little better image processing (HTC cameras simply struggle to nail colors and sharpness in auto mode, IMHO) would be ideal.
You're giving too much credit when you are using your core 2 duo analogy.
Yes i would choose a 4mp ultrapixel over a regular 4mp cellphone camera
but not to a 13mp 8mp even 6mp camera.
Point blank with a 4mp HTC One you still have 4mp and any zooming on a picture you take will lead to major blur. Esp if you are taking pictures to read text
I really like what HTC did with the camera but if I had to choose to swap that camera I would swap it with the 13mp on the oppo 5.
seattletecg said:
You're giving too much credit when you are using your core 2 duo analogy.
Yes i would choose a 4mp ultrapixel over a regular 4mp cellphone camera
but not to a 13mp 8mp even 6mp camera.
Point blank with a 4mp HTC One you still have 4mp and any zooming on a picture you take will lead to major blur. Esp if you are taking pictures to read text
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I totally disagree with this. My 8mp Nexus 4 takes crappy shots compared to my HTC one. Zoomed in shots of the same locations still look much better on the One also (I have been comparing the last 3 days). This to me proves that the number of pixel count means absolutely nothing in camera phones at this time.
I read every review online I could find of the cameras comparing the HTC one and GS4, and I was really shocked. The GS4 took some good detailed images but it didn't blow away the HTC One like I thought it would considering it has 9mp more. And in actuality all action shots taken between the two were won by the HTC One as the GS4 camera could not figure out what to focus on. This also proves that camera software makes a big difference.
So judging a camera by pixel count alone and not other factors will really invalidate your theory of bigger equals better as there is a lot more than "pixel size" that makes the difference of a camera phone.
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I totally disagree with this. My 8mp Nexus 4 takes crappy shots compared to my HTC one. Zoomed in shots of the same locations still look much better on the One also (I have been comparing the last 3 days). This to me proves that the number of pixel count means absolutely nothing in camera phones at this time.
I read every review online I could find of the cameras comparing the HTC one and GS4, and I was really shocked. The GS4 took some good detailed images but it didn't blow away the HTC One like I thought it would considering it has 9mp more. And in actuality all action shots taken between the two were won by the HTC One as the GS4 camera could not figure out what to focus on. This also proves that camera software makes a big difference.
So judging a camera by pixel count alone and not other factors will really invalidate your theory of bigger equals better as there is a lot more than "pixel size" that makes the difference of a camera phone. As I said in my prev post the oppo 5 camera would be the best thing for me. I think that phone has the best smartphone camera.
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In reality I think it would of been better for a higher mp camera. This was taken with night mode, a lot of the pics I take has noise to it thanks to the 4mp camera that the one has.
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I totally disagree with this. My 8mp Nexus 4 takes crappy shots compared to my HTC one. Zoomed in shots of the same locations still look much better on the One also (I have been comparing the last 3 days). This to me proves that the number of pixel count means absolutely nothing in camera phones at this time.
I read every review online I could find of the cameras comparing the HTC one and GS4, and I was really shocked. The GS4 took some good detailed images but it didn't blow away the HTC One like I thought it would considering it has 9mp more. And in actuality all action shots taken between the two were won by the HTC One as the GS4 camera could not figure out what to focus on. This also proves that camera software makes a big difference.
So judging a camera by pixel count alone and not other factors will really invalidate your theory of bigger equals better as there is a lot more than "pixel size" that makes the difference of a camera phone.
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I don't know how well the nexus 4 camera is. But take pictures with the one with text in the distance and try to see how sharp that text is. I use my note 2 to take pictures of say phone numbers of houses for sale while i'm driving. I do the same with my htc one and I"m not able to make out the text. Also look at pictures on the web of htc one pics and look at pictures with words in the distance. No matter how you look at it its still 4 megapixels
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Great read. Inspired to look at old photos from my GS2, and its f-stop and "bokeh" ability.
Thanks a lot, will be late for work tmw morning
Why didn't HTC just make an 8 or 12 ultra pixel since everyone is saying the 4 makes blurry pictures when you zoom in? Why would HTC put a bad/average sensor in a flagship device? Are they saving the 8 or 12 ultra pixel for the HTC Two when it comes out next year? Can there even be an 8 ultra pixel? I'm just curious. I'm happy with the photos my One takes.
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This is the starting, watch next year in HTC's next flagship(hopes for the best).
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yes they will get better, next year maybe a 6 ultra pixel or 8 would be the best but maybe years off.
I have to say I am super disappointed with the camera, its the one thing that makes me want the GS4, I am hoping some software mods can help, but I doubt it.
The camera just plain sucks. By far the worst thing about this phone. Good thing I got $ 100 rebate and a free car dock to kinda make up for it.
Ultrapixel is just a word they made up to hide the fact that its a 4 mp camera. The slightly larger sensor isn't doing it any favors. I have an old Sony 4 mp camera that blows this away.
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The camera just plain sucks. By far the worst thing about this phone. Good thing I got $ 100 rebate and a free car dock to kinda make up for it.
Ultrapixel is just a word they made up to hide the fact that its a 4 mp camera. The slightly larger sensor isn't doing it any favors. I have an old Sony 4 mp camera that blows this away.
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Yep, its funny I installed Camera FX, and the pictures are 100% better, very clear not all fuzzy. Lol HTC cant make a camera that works better than a generic camera app. lol
veliksam said:
Why didn't HTC just make an 8 or 12 ultra pixel since everyone is saying the 4 makes blurry pictures when you zoom in? Why would HTC put a bad/average sensor in a flagship device? Are they saving the 8 or 12 ultra pixel for the HTC Two when it comes out next year? Can there even be an 8 ultra pixel? I'm just curious. I'm happy with the photos my One takes.
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Zoom with your feet instead of using the digital zoom. I'd prefer the Nokia camera, but this is a close second in my book. I look at pictures on my phone, laptop, and tv. These 4MP pictures look just fine on all three.
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For all you guys debating if the 4mp is good or not, look at the development of DSLRs. I've had people complain about my 10mp 4/3 camera have less mp than their LG but my camera definitely takes a whole lot better pictures.
Sensor size is all I have to say.
One also has an advantage of having an optical image stabilizer which is a whole lot better than digital.
Higher megapixel count is better for cropping. I'm supprised they haven't yet developed cropping zoom, which 4mp of a 13mp is about 3x zoom with no distortion. Also using the mp count would be good for cropped digital stabilization.
4mp is enough for Facebook and other things because Facebook takes 2mp 2048x1xxx on high quality, so even if needed, you can still crop out half the picture without distortion.
My only complaint about the One's camera is that it has a preference for ramping up the iso and using stabilization instead of the great flash in darker pictures.
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FxCamera by Bitcellar Inc. is free from the market and fantastic. It has made every phone cam capture better than stock pics with all the phones and tablets I have used.
For unlocked users, you guys should try a custom rom on 1.29. Increases quality greatly.
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Why didn't HTC just make an 8 or 12 ultra pixel since everyone is saying the 4 makes blurry pictures when you zoom in? Why would HTC put a bad/average sensor in a flagship device? Are they saving the 8 or 12 ultra pixel for the HTC Two when it comes out next year? Can there even be an 8 ultra pixel? I'm just curious. I'm happy with the photos my One takes.
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The problem is in the size of the pixels.
You can only fit so many pixels on a cameraphone, the lens is only so big. So with a lower pixel count, you lose clarity but you have bigger pixels. bigger pixels let in more light which makes the pictures brighter in low lighting conditions. HTC looked at the data and saw that people were using their cameras for:
- selfies
-pictures of food in restaurants
- pictures with friends
- more selfies
-etc etc
and they were uploading them to:
- facebook (which has a ****ty resolution cap i think its 2mp or something)
- instagram (smaller cap then facebook)
-twitter (see above)
so on paper it makes sense for them to go this way. The majority of their customers dont need 13mp, they're never going to use 13mp.
So for what it is, I think they made the right move. That being said, being a 30 year old tech junkie I would have preferred 13mp not for the count but because pictures do look significantly clearer on say the SGS4 compared to the One in normal lighting conditions. But its not something to go up in arms about. At this point, whatever keeps HTC afloat I'm all for it.
I think the G2 still has the best camera by quite a margin if you know how to use it, and I haven't even tried 4k or other camera improvement mods. The only thing the HTC phones have on it is low light pictures, which I don't think most people do anyway.
The OIS helps a hell of a lot for someone like me that has a hand tremor that's really bad at times.
What's your opinion on the camera? I'd rather have my phone than a $200 point and shoot as long as I don't need to zoom.
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it's good under a lot of conditions, but very, very slow. Until you mod it. Then it's all around slick.
I've compared it to a Samsung Galaxy S4 and Lenovo Vibe Z camera (with f/1.8 lens) and both were less precise by a wide margin and frequently had pictures ruined by hand shaking.
The OIS doesn't just counteract the visible shaking; it reduces micro-shakes that blur your pictures without you noticing them. As a result the accuracy of this camera is about 3 megapixels higher than normal (my estimate).
All this being said, it's still a cellphone camera, so it has major flaws. It has only an f/2.4 aperture, which is mediocre for a high-end phone (though OIS counters it a bit by reducing subject-motion blur). Movement and low-light photos get ruined often. And I disagree that these aren't common conditions.
here's a quick demonstration and proof of the sharpness difference between Samsung Galaxy S4 and LG G2:
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the top pic is what the S4's pic looked like when it did NOT get blurred by hand shaking. most pictures turned out worse than that.
Didn't the OIS not only kick in for videos? Just saying... Sounds like placebo to me. I don't shake much usually, but I get a lot of blur pics...
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The stock camera is pretty good but I tried out Jishnu's cam mod and its great 4k is really beautiful though the 720p 120fps is very pixelated and imo not really usable. There's some features that are supposed to be included like HFR mode for front camera but I don't seem to have it for some reason.
nomad4ever said:
Didn't the OIS not only kick in for videos? Just saying... Sounds like placebo to me. I don't shake much usually, but I get a lot of blur pics...
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It works for video and picture.
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I think the G2 still has the best camera by quite a margin if you know how to use it
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this should be posted on every page of every camera thread here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2441127
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2444609
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2607744
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2525655
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this should be posted on every page of every camera thread here.
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I second that
for me lg g2 has good camera and ios. lg g3 will better
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this should be posted on every page of every camera thread here.
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Are there some tips to be shared?
I can get some seriously crisp photos and then crap for awhile.
I'm still all stock and the focusing is the worst I have ever experienced, no joke. Really.
Good at day, horrible at low light.
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Good at day, horrible at low light.
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I find it to be significantly better at low light than my Samsung phones were. HTC is definitely better at night but terrible at day. Sam used to black out completely when the light got even slightly dim. On my g2 it at least tries to get somewhat of a picture without relying on flash which makes pictures an ugly blue.
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I find it to be significantly better at low light than my Samsung phones were.
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Thanks to optical stabilizer in G2 , I guess.
Can anyone compare it with the Nexus 5 camera experience?
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The g2 has a terrible camera. On a sunny day it works great but on an overcast day. Or around 6/7 pm when the sun is going down it's pure garbage. This camera take in almost no light. There's no reason why in my kitchen with my light on lets say a 5/10 brightness should pictures be almost black. On my lumia and iPhone 5s, hell even my iPhone 3gs the view finders were all still lit bright and pictures were taken basically how my eye saw them.
LG really screwed up on the camera . this phone would have been perfect if it wasn't for the poor view finder lag/low light . there should be no noise on a photo in reasonable light and there is no reason why an ISO of 200 produces a dark image indoors with dim lighting when my ancient iPhone 3gs takes a beter low light indoor shot . I hope the g3 is a better camera or I'm jumping back to Nokia and wp8.1
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heres an exampe of the terrible light intake of this phone. first image is on the lumai 920 in normal mode at 200 iso the second image is on the g2 in normal mode on 200 iso. itsblurry but thats notthe problem bother were taken at 730 ish am in the same spot , i just woke up please excuse the mess also this is daylight coming in from the window behind me the room light was off
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The g2 has a terrible camera. On a sunny day it works great but on an overcast day. Or around 6/7 pm when the sun is going down it's pure garbage. This camera take in almost no light. There's no reason why in my kitchen with my light on lets say a 5/10 brightness should pictures be almost black. On my lumia and iPhone 5s, hell even my iPhone 3gs the view finders were all still lit bright and pictures were taken basically how my eye saw them.
LG really screwed up on the camera . this phone would have been perfect if it wasn't for the poor view finder lag/low light . there should be no noise on a photo in reasonable light and there is no reason why an ISO of 200 produces a dark image indoors with dim lighting when my ancient iPhone 3gs takes a beter low light indoor shot . I hope the g3 is a better camera or I'm jumping back to Nokia and wp8.1
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You really don't know nothing you're talking about. Fire up intelligent Auto mode and stop set iso to 200. G2 knows better what ISO it should make picture in. It has Snapdragon 800 under the hood which one is supposedly x1000 much smarter and x1000 times faster than your s****d brain :laugh:
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You really don't know nothing you're talking about. Fire up intelligent Auto mode and stop set iso to 200. G2 knows better what ISO it should make picture in. It has Snapdragon 800 under the hood which one is supposedly x1000 much smarter and x1000 times faster than your s****d brain :laugh:
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my IA is a dumb dumb. , the problem with IA is that the image will still have a high iso and have noise or be extremely soft. yes you are correct it will brighten the image but at the cost of image quality and noise.
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my IA is a dumb dumb. , the problem with IA is that the image will still have a high iso and have noise or be extremely soft. yes you are correct it will brighten the image but at the cost of image quality and noise.
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well, I see your point, you want stock camera to point-and-shoot and make descent pix. and I want stock player to play Adobe flash w/o any hassles. and someone want G2 to play music loud in stereo with BoomSound. That's why xda exists, there was not made a phone to be perfect from the box. maybe you may want to try some 3rd party cameras like http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.GoogleCamera or https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.almalence.opencam https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.almalence.hdr_plus
As I got a P10 (sadly not the P10 Plus) at MWC, I have been out and about in Barcelona taking photos.
I thought it was probably a good idea to create a thread for others to post to.
Here are my first photos at night:
https://jmcomms.com/2017/02/26/huawei-p10-night-photos-around-barcelona-and-first-impressions/
Followed by some in the late afternoon:
https://jmcomms.com/2017/02/27/huawei-p10-more-photos-around-barcelona-during-mwc-2017/
And an open Google Photos gallery that anyone can contribute to.
https://goo.gl/photos/BCfjQvk6zQmwm9w79
The camera is pretty much identical to the Mate 9, but it does have the new portrait functions (that may come to the Mate 9 in a future update).
It's a nice phone, but one complaint is that with the phone being so thin, you can easily grip the phone in such a way that you can't use the on-screen shutter to take a photo. It doesn't discount any other touches on the screen, so I've had many moments where I missed a shot because my thumb was EVER SO slightly touching the edge of the screen.
Sometimes bezels have their uses!
4K video samples; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCuoPs57Q4Q
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It's a nice phone, but one complaint is that with the phone being so thin, you can easily grip the phone in such a way that you can't use the on-screen shutter to take a photo. It doesn't discount any other touches on the screen, so I've had many moments where I missed a shot because my thumb was EVER SO slightly touching the edge of the screen.
Sometimes bezels have their uses!
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You can always use the volume keys as a shutter.
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You can always use the volume keys as a shutter.
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Yes, and I do but it's not in the ideal position. I wish more companies would use two stage shutters like Sony.
I made some night shots for testing:
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All tree are made in ISO 50, the first two are at 30 sec. shutter speed, the third one at 4 sec.
I think the camera is really good at night with the right settings. I tried to make similar pics with my i6S but they weren't that good.
Got my P10 yesterday and here is my first shot (with aperture mode).
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I made some night shots for testing:
All tree are made in ISO 50, the first two are at 30 sec. shutter speed, the third one at 4 sec.
I think the camera is really good at night with the right settings. I tried to make similar pics with my i6S but they weren't that good.
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Great shots. On your iPhone have you or did you try using Nightcap Pro?
P10 is still using a BSI CMOS but the night shots were really not bad. It'd be better if it upgraded to Stacked CMOS like Exmor RS.
Is it good with moving subjects? I have an OP3 and the camera has major difficulties in handling kids and babies, especially indoors, even with decent light.
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Is it good with moving subjects? I have an OP3 and the camera has major difficulties in handling kids and babies, especially indoors, even with decent light.
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Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
I have it for 4 days now and its camera is MUCH MUCH better than OP3. Better results than iphone 7, just the colors a bit more fake, sometimes. Fast camera, shocking fast fingerprint reader, charging speed and battery feels a bit better on OP3, not big differences.
Screen is dirtier than most phones though. I'm getting used to it. Also, headphones volume a bit thin.
But camera... I hated Op3 camera, my baby photos were always blurry. Not the case anymore.
davebugyi said:
Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
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I have it for 4 days now and its camera is MUCH MUCH better than OP3. Better results than iphone 7, just the colors a bit more fake, sometimes. Fast camera, shocking fast fingerprint reader, charging speed and battery feels a bit better on OP3, not big differences.
Screen is dirtier than most phones though. I'm getting used to it. Also, headphones volume a bit thin.
But camera... I hated Op3 camera, my baby photos were always blurry. Not the case anymore.
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This sounds fantastic. Do you still have the OP3? Can you try to shoot some pics indoors abouth the same object with the two and tell the EXIF (details option in gallery) ? No need to post the pics, just the ISO, Shutter between the P10 and OP3.
Thank you.
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P10 is still using a BSI CMOS but the night shots were really not bad. It'd be better if it upgraded to Stacked CMOS like Exmor RS.
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The IMX286 used as the color sensor in the P10 is listed as a Exmor rs sensor on the Wiki. Also in the mate 9 review on GSM arena. They wrote, that the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7.
I don't own the phone. But I'm considering buying it as a replacement for my HTC One M8. When i bought that, the camera wasn't a priority. But that is changed for my next purchase.
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The IMX286 used as the color sensor in the P10 is listed as a Exmor rs sensor on the Wiki. Also in the mate 9 review on GSM arena. They wrote, that the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7.
I don't own the phone. But I'm considering buying it as a replacement for my HTC One M8. When i bought that, the camera wasn't a priority. But that is changed for my next purchase.
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Can you explain a bit how is it: "the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7." ? I'm interested in this phone but f:2.2 is more than the f:1.8 of P10 Plus. Anyway, i dont know how much can be the shutter speed in pro mode.
Loving my P10 Plus, The camera is amazing, Here are some of my photos.
http://imgur.com/a/bQIki
http://imgur.com/a/dNjy6
http://imgur.com/a/ftgPI
http://imgur.com/a/WCsBs
Unfortunately no. My OP3 had a lot of dust on the lens, inside (i had a lot of phones, this never happened with any...). So I sent it to the Service Center and... DHL lost it.
Anyway. I remember in auto mode OP3 was always 1/17 with ISO from 1000 to 3000+. Any movement turned into blur usually. Very annoying. Then they made some update and it was using 1/20 and lower ISO. Still blurry. Manual shots were slightly better, sometimes.
With P10, same living room, it does 1/17 to 1/25, ISO from 200 to 640. BUT no blur anymore, so most likely OP3 problem is the damn postprocessing. In manual mode, you can really catch the action. Outside, ISO goes to 50 in good light. Interesting, sometimes indoors the picture looks brighter than the reality in auto mode, but in a good way ☺
Greens are slightly fake sometime.
davebugyi said:
Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
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This sounds fantastic. Do you still have the OP3? Can you try to shoot some pics indoors abouth the same object with the two and tell the EXIF (details option in gallery) ? No need to post the pics, just the ISO, Shutter between the P10 and OP3.
Thank you.
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No editing.
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Unfortunately no. My OP3 had a lot of dust on the lens, inside (i had a lot of phones, this never happened with any...). So I sent it to the Service Center and... DHL lost it.
Anyway. I remember in auto mode OP3 was always 1/17 with ISO from 1000 to 3000+. Any movement turned into blur usually. Very annoying. Then they made some update and it was using 1/20 and lower ISO. Still blurry. Manual shots were slightly better, sometimes.
With P10, same living room, it does 1/17 to 1/25, ISO from 200 to 640. BUT no blur anymore, so most likely OP3 problem is the damn postprocessing. In manual mode, you can really catch the action. Outside, ISO goes to 50 in good light. Interesting, sometimes indoors the picture looks brighter than the reality in auto mode, but in a good way
Greens are slightly fake sometime.
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Many thanks! I am getting mine and getting rid of the OP 3T on Tuesday. The OP is a fast and nice phone, but a lacks a decent allrounder camera.
SebastianAlejandro said:
Can you explain a bit how is it: "the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7." ? I'm interested in this phone but f:2.2 is more than the f:1.8 of P10 Plus. Anyway, i dont know how much can be the shutter speed in pro mode.
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Hello Sebastian
This is a quote from the review on GSMArena:
"You'd argue that the f/2.2 aperture is quite dim by today's standards, to which Leica replies that you have two of those, so double the light. In effect that makes the aperture f/1.6 (2.2 divided by the square root of 2)."
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_mate_9-review-1520p8.php
Also the arpeture on the plus model is still better, but not much
http://m.androidcentral.com/huawei-p10-vs-p10-plus-camera-comparison
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Thanks for sharing your beautifull pictures. It realy helps me to decide to buy this phone.
KyleGriffiths said:
Loving my P10 Plus, The camera is amazing, Here are some of my photos.
http://imgur.com/a/bQIki
http://imgur.com/a/dNjy6
http://imgur.com/a/ftgPI
http://imgur.com/a/WCsBs
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Love the photos. Have you used an older Huawei or Honor phone previously to the P10 Plus?
At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Essential Phone's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Disappointing.
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Disappointing.
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Even after all of the updates? Tried the google camera apk?
Yea, it's pretty bad compared to all other flagships or "flagship killers"
That's a bummer. I'm not surprised though, it's mostly been knocked for it's sub par camera.
It's weird cause some people seem to post some decent low light pics and others are pretty bad. Must just boil down to individual users.
The last camera update seems to have helped considerably with low light performance although the result isn't yet nearly as good as my Xperia Z5. This shot was taken just now in a room with a single 60w bulb - pretty good detail on a black dog on black comforter, not an easy subject. https://photos.app.goo.gl/VcVE3TbFmJm4DCCJ3
The camera during the day is fine and is equal to the pixel ported app. The camera at night is hit or miss. A dark room or darker room it will struggle bad. If it's a night shot out side and there are street lights or business signs there seems to be enough light for the camera to take a decent pic. I compared it to the honor 8. What I think the camera needs is a manual mode or something that allows you to control the lighting like the pixel camera. If it had that feature the camera would be good. It could also have a bit more sharpening too.
The video needs more light. Even with the pixel ported app the video is dark if you don't have good lighting, very grainy. Again a manual mode to control the light and more sharpening would do wonders for this camera.
I'm not saying it's great, but this was with the stock camera app taken from inside a car...
Xmas shots
Took a bunch last night. Where you see the same picture twice, is when I snapped the same pic with the Essential app and then the Gcam app. Strangely when I tried to up the brightness with the slider on the Essential app the results were terrible. Had to delete those pics. Point and shoot was the way to go.
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Took a bunch last night. Where you see the same picture twice, is when I snapped the same pic with the Essential app and then the Gcam app. Strangely when I tried to up the brightness with the slider on the Essential app the results were terrible. Had to delete those pics. Point and shoot was the way to go. "/>"/>"/>"/>"/>"/>"/>"/>"/>"/>"/>
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Which gcam APK are you having success with? I'm noticing that the essential camera app is taking overall better point and shoot pictures in my day to day use.
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Which gcam APK are you having success with? I'm noticing that the essential camera app is taking overall better point and shoot pictures in my day to day use.
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MGC_5.1.016_7.0+C2 found on the Google Cam thread here on XDA. How has the Essential app been in low light? I just noticed one or 2 where the Gcam was clearly better. Haven't tried indoors yet. Seems like camera issues are overblown IMHO. So far this camera is fine for my needs. And you can always use an editor which pros do for best results. clarity and detail seems to be there.
I grabbed mine from Sprint so for 145 no complaints! Even at 499 I would love this phone. Best Android I have ever had by far.
So happy to be free of Scamsung. Had to fire it up to pull some files off and it was lag,stutter,jank, crash as always......
Stocka camera vs iPhone 7 Plus
I really think that the Ph1 has good camera un low ligth conditions. I compared the stock camera vs iPhone 7 Plus of mine wife.
chris1871 said:
I really think that the Ph1 has good camera un low ligth conditions. I compared the stock camera vs iPhone 7 Plus of mine wife.
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So much noise and loss of detail though. Zoom in even slightly.
crixley said:
So much noise and loss of detail though. Zoom in even slightly.
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Take the same picture on an S9 or S9+ and you'll notice the difference
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Take the same picture on an S9 or S9+ and you'll notice the difference
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Take the picture on a disposable camera and you'll notice the difference lol. Plus I feel like he used flash
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Take the picture on a disposable camera and you'll notice the difference lol. Plus I feel like he used flash
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??? Agreed!
crixley said:
So much noise and loss of detail though. Zoom in even slightly.
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The photos were taking whitout flash and before the stock camera update. The camera ins't perfect but for the half of price of the iPhone 7 Plus, it´s ok. During the day the result is better than the iPhone 7 Plus.
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The photos were taking whitout flash and before the stock camera update. The camera ins't perfect but for the half of price of the iPhone 7 Plus, it´s ok. During the day the result is better than the iPhone 7 Plus.
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I owned a 7 plus and that is not true in the least. 7 plus blows it out of the water in every way camera wise.
The camera is alright at best. Regardless it is not a huge issue to me.
crixley said:
I owned a 7 plus and that is not true in the least. 7 plus blows it out of the water in every way camera wise.
The camera is alright at best. Regardless it is not a huge issue to me.
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I have the two phones and the photos with daylight have no differences, in low light iPhone 7 Plus is better.
Daylight (HDR mode)
PH1 https://photos.app.goo.gl/V2ZsqaqZVoGbRSec2
7 Plus https://photos.app.goo.gl/jLQKApR5SVq43JCM2
Low light (without flash and HDR mode)
PH1 https://photos.app.goo.gl/miNCaX88M1D3QAQ18
7 Plus https://photos.app.goo.gl/2GHam0XfcVUAVlsj2
The photos were taken at the same time and the result is PH1 equal to 7 Plus in daylight (I think better in PH1). In low light the result is different and 7 Plus is only better, not for much.
But show me a comparison of photos in the same conditions where the iPhone 7 Plus performs much better than the Essential PH1.
Here is a simple test with a simple printed paper I did with my camera and the S23U, the situation of the camera is much worse than the S23 because of the ISO and because is using the complete frame in the shot, so you see complete edge to edge lens sharpness
M6 MKII: ISO 500 @ 22mm f/5.6, image occupy the entire frame to better check edge to edge sharpness, you can see edge to edge sharpness, its a pity greedy Canon discontinued this fantastic travel camera...
S23U: ISO 50 @ 50mpx, not possible to occupy the entire frame because of the distance it does not focus, so part of the frame is occupied and this could be an advantage to the S23U but it is not in practice because just moving a bit from the center it loses sharpness a lot and even worse detail because of the heavy noise correction.
Versions in REALRAW and PRO: EXPERTRAW pictures are much sharper than PRO... Come on Samsung, what are you doing?
I did not post the 12mpx shot because is not a fair comparison and in this phone having the 50mpx option who will shot in 12mpx when using the normal lens...
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The files are in the attachment for the size and you can make a comparison on your screen, is easy to see why a camera make a big difference, much better sharpness edge to edge, much better detail compare to the S23U because S23U apply heavy noise correction in its sensor and the quality of lens edge to edge of the S23U is by far really bad like any camera phone.
This is a very very simple comparison because to be fair we need to buy the target, even if I shoot with the phone when I don't have my camera, I prefer to do all my travel and home videos with the phone.
Why ISO 500 and not 100 it's native ISO?
The difference is even greater than shown here if so. This Canon lense? Pretty sharp as you can see on the interactive blur chart even on the edges at f/5.6, sweet. The Samsung can't match that...
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Why ISO 500 and not 100 it's native ISO?
The difference is even greater than shown here if so. This Canon lense? Pretty sharp as you can see on the interactive blur chart even on the edges at f/5.6, sweet. The Samsung can't match that...
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Just wanted to do it at ISO 500 as worst case, at ISO 100 it will be even better.
I added more shots with a bigger target printed in laser to fill the frame of the S23U, the shot of M6mkII is at ISO 3200 (no noise reduction) and the 12mpx and 50mpx of S23U with EXPERTRAW, the lens of S23U are not able to resolve correctly 50Mpx moving a little out from the center, much worse in higher mpxs, so this camera at 200mpx is useless because of the lenses not able to resolve and the noisy sensor.
If you check the chart, at 50Mpx the lens resolves well in the center, moving a bit from the center aberrations start to appear.
At 12mpx the lens resolution is acceptable center to border, with much less aberrations compared to 50mpx but still we see the cheap glass used.
This is a nice test to do in any phone to understand if the phone brands are able to resolve the mpx they promote, in the case of Samsung is able to resolve 50mpx in the center only.
M6 was shoot at ISO 3200 without noise reduction and it destroys the S23U camera in any aspect and the difference is pretty big. (we didn't include color rendition here because the situation of S23U could be much worse)
The pictures in the attachment
CONCLUSION: if you want to do simple point and shoots with low quality glass and a sensor with noticeable noise reduction, use the phone.
Right there, that looks the smudging effect seen on the S23U. It's present on the N10+ at times as well... generally more widespread in the image though.
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Right there, that looks the smudging effect seen on the S23U. It's present on the N10+ at times as well... generally more widespread in the image though.
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That could be caused by the noise reduction in the sensor because it has lot of noise, the pixel pitch of S23U is half of the size of the M6 sensor.
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That could be caused by the noise reduction in the sensor because it has lot of noise, the pixel pitch of S23U is half of the size of the M6 sensor.
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Odd it's just that one spot. Just saying... You start testing cams invariably it gets to be a pain rather than what it's suppose to be, a pleasure.
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Odd it's just that one spot. Just saying... You start testing cams invariably it gets to be a pain rather than what it's suppose to be, a pleasure.
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Correct and for the pleasure I have the M6, a real pleasure... everyone that likes photography should try a mirrorless DSLR in any brand they like to see the difference.
You and some others have mentioned realraw. Is this Samsung expert raw that is branded with some other name in other countries? I search for a realraw apk and couldn't find any so assuming it is expert raw you did your tests with?
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You and some others have mentioned realraw. Is this Samsung expert raw that is branded with some other name in other countries? I search for a realraw apk and couldn't find any so assuming it is expert raw you did your tests with?
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Is my mistake, is EXPERTRAW not realraw, I corrected the original post.
For the people that want check sharpness and to do their own testing printing the chart, I will attach the PDF that is better printed in A3 or around that size.
It almost seems like some (very few) people are trying to replace their main camera with a cell phone camera.... lol....
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It almost seems like some (very few) people are trying to replace their main camera with a cell phone camera.... lol....
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Honestly, it really depends on your needs. The best camera is the one you have with you.
I have a Canon R6 with a 70-200mm and other lenses but I definitely don't have this on me all the time while I have this phone with me at all times and so I still want to get the best out of it, hence why I also use a mix of stock cam 12mp, stock 50mp and GCAM.
Knowing the strengths and limitations of each tool / mode is how you can get better result. For example, using 50mp mode I frame more than I need so I can then crop and avoid part of the edge softness. Still end up with a file that's more detailed than the 12mp. For everyday though gcam 12mp is good enough.
But when I went to shoot at a friend's wedding of course the phone is out of the question and I used the R6. But when travelling and hiking, I challenged myself to travel light (got tired of carrying heavy gear around all the time) and managed to get very good results that did some very fine prints for our home. Again, I'm not selling my travel pictures online etc. So having the top quality isn't always necessary. In the end for social media sharing and small prints at home you should usually be fine with phone pictures.
It really depends on the intended purpose of your pictures (or willingness to carry heavy gear around) so I don't think it's fair to say that one is better than the other. In terms of pure quality of course dslr will win but there are many other considerations to be had.
Everyone knows a professional camera is going to take better pictures than any cell phone camera. So what's the point of all this? Nobody is gonna lug their main camera around with them everywhere they go. But the S23U does take greaat pictures at 12 mpx and with telephoto 3x and 10x. It also makes phone calls, has social media, stream movies and plays games which is something your DSLR will never be able to do. Nobody here bought the phone thinking they were getting a DSLR quality camera. I don't really give two chits because the phone does what its been designed to do. If you were expecting a DSLR in a phone well sorry you are disappointed because no phone cameras are ever going to match the quality of $5000 DSLR and lenses.
Paul_Deemer said:
R in a phone well sorry you are disappointed because no phone cameras are ever going to match the quality of $5000 DSLR and lenses.
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I agree with the point of PhilMorin, you can buy a new camera expending usd 700 with a weight of less than 600grs and a quality far superior than any phone, if you buy an used camera you pay much less...
There are lot of places that compares phone cameras with DSLR...
citytrader said:
I agree with the point of PhilMorin, you can buy a new camera expending usd 700 with a weight of less than 600grs and a quality far superior than any phone, if you buy an used camera you pay much less...
There are lot of places that compares phone cameras with DSLR...
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The heavier pro cams are better shooters; better and more handholds, more weight means more inertia and helps keep the cam steady, better control layout/controls and view finder. Pro cams are a joy to shoot with and it's a press pass in itself
Doubles as a weapon when in hand especially with a 70-200 f/2.8 on it.
blackhawk said:
The heavier pro cams are better shooters; better and more handholds, more weight means more inertia and helps keep the cam steady, better control layout/controls and view finder. Pro cams are a joy to shoot with and it's a press pass in itself
Doubles as a weapon when in hand especially with a 70-200 f/2.8 on it.
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LOL! I'll try running before I start hammering at someone with that setup. Makes for quite an expensive weapon
PhilMorin said:
LOL! I'll try running before I start hammering at someone with that setup. Makes for quite an expensive weapon
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I've shot in Philly's bad sections. I hold it by the lens base next to my chest. Basically a 5# hammer. Rather slam it into someone's face than have it stolen. Jogging only works if you see them coming as they tend to be lazy
Had some bangers come up to me at a fair once. Turned out all they wanted to do is pose, that was interesting. Be friendly but be prepared...