Hi
I'm thinking about buying this phone, but... with some special details. and I wanted your opinion.
I'm not really looking for a phone, I'm looking to replace my nexus 7 GSM (2012) tablet.
It cannot be something bigger than the N7 (in physical dimensions), it must have 3g connectivity and it has to be an upgrade (better specs).
These requests pretty much clean all the tablets, as only the 7'' and (some) 8'' are small enough and only very few have 3g or 4g.
So I thought of a phablet, and the Z ultra appeared on the search.
I know the screen is smaller, but I don't expect that difference to be a problem. I'll try to find other big phones in a store to compare.
I have a Z1 compact as a phone, and from the looks of it, the Z ultra is exactly the same, only with a bigger screen and battery.
This means the same rom support (cyanogenmod), the same performance (I'm very happy with the Z1 compact on that) and bigger battery and screen for movies and games.
So, am I right, do you think this is a good choice for me?
you can go with the xperia z3 compact tablet as well, that tablet has a sim card slot.
Currently I use it as LTE tablet and it works fine.
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you can go with the xperia z3 compact tablet as well, that tablet has a sim card slot.
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I didn't even know it existed...
It's bigger (yet not too big), faster, has more battery, full CM support... It's also more expensive, but maybe it's worth it.
Thanks! I'll really consider it.
Just to let you know, my ZU hasn't served me that well as a tablet, because 1) the touch panel mis-registers under multi-touch situations, 2) the speaker produces constant buzzing sound and 3) battery life is mediocre for real.
I have a TabPRO 8.4 WiFi, but this thing also has 3G and LTE variants. It might be a bit too big to your taste, but aside from the looks, this tablet is the best I've had my hands on.
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Just to let you know, my ZU hasn't served me that well as a tablet, because 1) the touch panel mis-registers under multi-touch situations, 2) the speaker produces constant buzzing sound and 3) battery life is mediocre for real.
I have a TabPRO 8.4 WiFi, but this thing also has 3G and LTE variants. It might be a bit too big to your taste, but aside from the looks, this tablet is the best I've had my hands on.
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Surprisingly, it's not too big (but it's close to).
Here the biggest problem is the price, the LTE variant is a lot more expensive than the Z ultra or the Z3 tablet compact already mentioned here.
Anyway, thanks for the opinion, the battery life was a concern for me, and it seems it is a problem.
Actually, after that last suggestion I re-checked the prices... and both the tablets presented are much more expensive than the Z ultra...
Even with the spec difference and the possible battery problem, it's still the one I think I'll choose.
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Surprisingly, it's not too big (but it's close to).
Here the biggest problem is the price, the LTE variant is a lot more expensive than the Z ultra or the Z3 tablet compact already mentioned here.
Anyway, thanks for the opinion, the battery life was a concern for me, and it seems it is a problem.
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Strange, TabPRO 8.4 retails for about the same price as Z3TC here. Also, most of my devices are bought second-hand, and in the cases of ZU and TabPRO, they cost me ~$125 and ~$190 respectively, while Z3TC can go up to $250+ (yes, used - absurdly pricey).
To me the extra price made quite a difference - aside from the looks, TabPRO gives me a much more comfortable tablet experience and fits snugly in my small carry bag.
There are indeed very few devices in the price range of ZU that can match its specs and screen, and for that it is a unicorn I don't actually want to let go of... But the small problems mentioned in the last post proved more than annoying for me. YMMV, as always.
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You should compare Z Ultra with 7" LTE tablet like Nexus 7 or Asus ME572CL.
CPU is far superior.
Nexus 7 does not support memory card (ZU can take 128GB)
ME572CL has locked (not unlockable) bootloader
Don't forget Z Ultra can be used as phone when needed.
Xperia Z Ultra is great in terms of build quality and speed.
But if you are looking into alternatives, if you just want tablet (not phone) you may look at Asus or Lenovo line of products.
Also, you may look at Motorola Nexus 6. Now that new Nexus phones are announced previous Nexus prices are dropping. It is a great phone, large screen, and with the Android 6.0 it works better than before (according to several user feedbacks).
Good Luck!
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Xperia Z Ultra is great in terms of build quality and speed.
But if you are looking into alternatives, if you just want tablet (not phone) you may look at Asus or Lenovo line of products.
Also, you may look at Motorola Nexus 6. Now that new Nexus phones are announced previous Nexus prices are dropping. It is a great phone, large screen, and with the Android 6.0 it works better than before (according to several user feedbacks).
Good Luck!
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Be aware the Intel X3 based tablet is NOT rootable, and the performance is poor (only 7000 Quadrant).
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Ok, I'm up to purchase a new tablet and I am divided between Z2 and Tab S.
I'm a happy owner of a Z1 tablet and I am wondering if Z2 is a better option than Tab S.
A far as I can tell Z2 has the edge on the chipset side but Tab S has a better screen, so my question for you is this: Wich tablet would you advise me to purchase?
One last detail: I love to read and browse the Web.
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Here in this forum you'll hear: "Z2 Tablet, of course", in the Tab S forum you'll hear: "Tab S, of course". You have to try and decide yourself.
Fast, easy to root, light in software, better build quality = Z2
Not as easy to root, getting slower by time caused by bloatware, build quality debatable, far better screen = Tab S
Just my opinion. I bought the Z2 because of Knox and Bloatware but I'm missing the dual window feature that Samsung has.
I dislike the Sony UI, but I hate Samsung's Tablet UI. It is even worse than their phone UI.
When I bought my tablet, this was the main difference I recognized in the store.
Regarding the display, I wanted to have 1200p instead of 1600p. Huge resolutions don't add value, I could hardly see a difference between the Sony and the Samsung.
Of course when you look closely, you see some difference, but during day to day usage it doesn't make a difference. Just check it out for yourself, your mileage could vary.
But I explicitly searched for a 10 inch Tablet with Snapdragon 801 and a 1200p display, because higher resolutions destroy 3d-performance while not looking really better, and at the same time consume more power.
So I got what I wanted with the Z2. But you have your own needs, so you could come to a different conclusion. Android offers so much choice that everybody should be able to find his best-suited device. :good:
My main concern was exactly screen quality but seems that overall build quality tends to Z2 all the way...
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Pick up a Samsung galaxy s at the store.... Immediately you can tell the build difference in comparison to the z2. Galaxy s is flimsy and creaks... (I've looked at over 10 from different stores, so no its not an abnormality)... My Z2 is rock solid....now the resolution, software, and hardware? Hands down the z2 is better. But thats my opinion when analyzing the facts.
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But thats my opinion when analyzing the facts.
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Er???
Either it's a fact that these things are better on the Z2, or it's "your opinion", i.e. somehow you like them better, without factual evidence.
Your sentence doesn't make any sense, sorry.
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Er???
Either it's a fact that these things are better on the Z2, or it's "your opinion", i.e. somehow you like them better, without factual evidence.
Your sentence doesn't make any sense, sorry.
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You should look again at what I stated before making an incoherent statement. To "analyze" facts between two devices is comparing them and "interpreting" the differences through the process of human understanding. Thus a subjective nature is prevalent.
Meaning you can analyze something, and base your subjective opinion off the facts that you have used.
If you are looking for a split comparison of the two devices, its impossible to fully do when each device has separate features. However, basing hardware and build, you can base the material build, board, and benchmarks in a factual comparison, then analyze that information to base your synopsis.
One lant question, Tablet Z2 is absolutely better than Z1 in hardware all the way, but an upgrade from Z1 to Z2 is advisable? will I notice, on a day to day basis, a great improvement or not?
Just add a annoying bug on touch screen on Z2.
I'm on version 17.1.1.A.0.402 with SGP511 and scroll with tablet is awful. It replace touch scroll for touch "click".
Touch issue on Z2 tablet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbtc96YE6O8
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One lant question, Tablet Z2 is absolutely better than Z1 in hardware all the way, but an upgrade from Z1 to Z2 is advisable? will I notice, on a day to day basis, a great improvement or not?
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I upgraded from the Tablet Z1 to the Z2 Tablet. The differences are not huge. It was more the idea of having the newest and greatest (as a birthday present for myself) than anything else.
Specific aspects of the Z2 that I really enjoy more than on the Z1 are
1. The screen is noticeably better, particularly from off angles
2. There's no longer a flap over the headphone jack
3. I prefer the wireless charging set up on the Z2. You don't need a stand in order to wirelessly charge.
I was also happy to make the change for a reason particular to me: my old Z1 had only 16GB - I had not realized when I bought it that you CANNOT install apps on an external microsd. So when I got the Z2 I made sure to get the 32GB version.
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I upgraded from the Tablet Z1 to the Z2 Tablet. The differences are not huge. It was more the idea of having the newest and greatest (as a birthday present for myself) than anything else.
Specific aspects of the Z2 that I really enjoy more than on the Z1 are
1. The screen is noticeably better, particularly from off angles
2. There's no longer a flap over the headphone jack
3. I prefer the wireless charging set up on the Z2. You don't need a stand in order to wirelessly charge.
I was also happy to make the change for a reason particular to me: my old Z1 had only 16GB - I had not realized when I bought it that you CANNOT install apps on an external microsd. So when I got the Z2 I made sure to get the 32GB version.
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Can you define what you mean by wireless charging please? Do you mean you can use a magnetic lead like this on it? Or is there a feature I'm not aware of?
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Can you define what you mean by wireless charging please? Do you mean you can use a magnetic lead like this on it? Or is there a feature I'm not aware of?
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That's exactly what I mean. On the Tablet Z1 the wireless connections where on the two sides of the tablet when held in landscaper.
chentz78 said:
Just add a annoying bug on touch screen on Z2.
I'm on version 17.1.1.A.0.402 with SGP511 and scroll with tablet is awful. It replace touch scroll for touch "click".
Touch issue on Z2 tablet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbtc96YE6O8
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Simply install the newest firmware (... .314). If not yet available in your country, take one of the FTFs available here. (I took the Russian one, works flawlessly.)
Then the touch bug will be gone.
Kit Kat drove me to the higher memory option
AllanJacques said:
Ok, I'm up to purchase a new tablet and I am divided between Z2 and Tab S.
I'm a happy owner of a Z1 tablet and I am wondering if Z2 is a better option than Tab S.
A far as I can tell Z2 has the edge on the chipset side but Tab S has a better screen, so my question for you is this: Wich tablet would you advise me to purchase?
One last detail: I love to read and browse the Web.
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Hi, I looked into this quite deeply before going for the Z2. The Samsung S screen is excellent. But SD card woes under Android Kit Kat convinced me that I needed a 32 Gbyte tablet. There seem to be only 16 Gbyte Galaxy S' in Europe, so I went for the 32 Gbyte Z2.
Also, I have other Sony gear: camera NEX-6, TV....; the build quality of the Sony is higher; and the Samsung has a reputation for being loaded with bloatware and having a poor UI. Some reviews of the Samsung also mentioned that it stuttered under high processor loads.
Hope that helps.
The "SD card woes" under Kitkat are very easily resolvable (and thus not really "woes"):
1. Root
2. Install app "SDFix" from Playstore and run once (can be uninstalled after that). Done!
Then your SD card will work totally normal with full read-write access.
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The "SD card woes" under Kitkat are very easily resolvable (and thus not really "woes"):
1. Root
2. Install app "SDFix" from Playstore and run once (can be uninstalled after that). Done!
Then your SD card will work totally normal with full read-write access.
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Yes,thanks for that, I was just explaining the reasons dor my choice I suppose. And...
a) being a bit of a newbie and b) being otherwise very happy with my tablet, I don't feel the need to root just yet. But it's good to know the SDFix works with the Z2 tablet. Signs are that Sony might be bringing out a fix too. Rolling out on their cheaper smartphones now, I hear.
I wanted to have Tab S, but the speaker is terrible.
Moreover, Z2 has white balance control on the screen so you can adjust to your favor (I prefer clean/cool white).
I had the same question as you, and the Tab S was the only tablet available.
Having a Z2 device, I really wanted the tablet since the phone is awesome. I didn't want to wait for shipment from Sony's website, and I have regretted it every day of owning the Tab S.
It is sluggish, choppy, and video that plays smooth on my Z2, the exact same thing is choppy on my Tab S. Because of the stupid chipset dev is non existent on the 10.5, and does not look like it will ever pick up, especially since the Note 4 will have the Snapdragon chipset.
I am probably going to sell it, take a little hit, and buy the Z2.
How about the speaker on Z2 compared with Tab S?
I tested Tab S and the speaker is much lower than my Note 10.1 classic. I want to buy Z2 Tablet, but I worry about the speakers (assuming everything is nearly the same as Tab S).
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Finally I had an opportunity to try both and found speaker on z2 is much better than Tab S (the latter one is very weak and badly compressed). In addition, z2 feels much solid than Tab S.
Hi!
I have currently nexus 7 (2012) tablet and I've been thinking of updating it with 10" tablet. One of the greatest tablets on paper is xperia z2 tablet but there are couple things that make me think about some other device (nexus 9 or some samsung tablets). That is custom software support.. I've been using cm for a long time on my devices and luckly z2 has official cm12 support. My concern is however how stable is the device tree of z2 and recovery support seems to be everything else but good. No TWRP, not even unofficial as far as I can see. Otherwise sony's tablet seems to be hardwarewise device and that's why I'm seriusly thinking of buying one. If someone could recommend/not recommend this tablet to me or give me any other information about the device I'd appreciate it a lot!
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rockknee
I have both Nexus 7's a Nexus 9 and a tablet Z2.
Paid about the same for N9 and tab Z2, about $400 new.
N9 is heavy and thick compared to Z2 tab, but may have more CPU power. I don't use them much except for app testing and light reading.
I much prefer the Z2 tab to the N9 due to lighter, thinner and FM radio.
Tab Z2 (and Sony in general) development is low.
But N9 is a relatively unpopular Nexus too...
As long as you're aware you're getting last generation cpu/graphics (which BTW snapdragon 801 is still plenty fast), its still a great tablet.
- Thin and light
- Great build
- Snappy
- Relatively clean / close-to-stock software build, the tweaks actually add value/functionality and improve on stock (quick settings toggles, stamina mode, mount windows shares etc.)
- SD card
- No complaints on the screen whatsoever. Sure its 'only' 1080p but I can't see the pixels so I don't care
- Software buttons means its actually usable when rotated in whatever orientation you use. I know some samsung owners who really regret their purchases because they like to use their tablets one way, and samsung has hard buttons the other way
As long as the price reflects the fact it came out a year ago, its still a good choice.
Yeah dev is dead but
- there's nothing wrong with stock at all. I've been flashing since Nexus One and I've had zero inclination to custom this.
- we're definitely getting official lollipop shortly
- BL unlock is officially available if you want CWM/TWRP anyway. (look harder in the dev forums... defo CWM/TWRP available)
so nothing to see here IMO
mikereidis said:
I have both Nexus 7's a Nexus 9 and a tablet Z2.
Paid about the same for N9 and tab Z2, about $400 new.
N9 is heavy and thick compared to Z2 tab, but may have more CPU power. I don't use them much except for app testing and light reading.
I much prefer the Z2 tab to the N9 due to lighter, thinner and FM radio.
Tab Z2 (and Sony in general) development is low.
But N9 is a relatively unpopular Nexus too...
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As long as you're aware you're getting last generation cpu/graphics (which BTW snapdragon 801 is still plenty fast), its still a great tablet.
- Thin and light
- Great build
- Snappy
- Relatively clean / close-to-stock software build, the tweaks actually add value/functionality and improve on stock (quick settings toggles, stamina mode, mount windows shares etc.)
- SD card
- No complaints on the screen whatsoever. Sure its 'only' 1080p but I can't see the pixels so I don't care
- Software buttons means its actually usable when rotated in whatever orientation you use. I know some samsung owners who really regret their purchases because they like to use their tablets one way, and samsung has hard buttons the other way
As long as the price reflects the fact it came out a year ago, its still a good choice.
Yeah dev is dead but
- there's nothing wrong with stock at all. I've been flashing since Nexus One and I've had zero inclination to custom this.
- we're definitely getting official lollipop shortly
- BL unlock is officially available if you want CWM/TWRP anyway. (look harder in the dev forums... defo CWM/TWRP available)
so nothing to see here IMO
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Thanks for these opinions and experiences guys! I really feel like xperia z2 might be better device for me due to it's larger screen compared to nexus 9 and the ratio is also much better for watching movies and so on. Now that I've been testing the device on couple stores I've noticed that the screen responsiveness is far from best. Could be also just problem on some z2 tablets and caused by people "giving hard time" for these test models at the stores.. Have you noticed touchscreen problems? I mean one device was absolutely ****ed up on one of the stores I visited, even scrolling thru homescreens was very painful and didn't leave very good impression at all.
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rockknee
none on mine, doesn't miss a beat.
There were people here talking re: bad touchscreen when it was first released, but I believe it got ironed out with later firmware / later batches
Running it with CM12 and i love my Z2 Castor Windy.
Z2 is now on the way! I found nice sale from one Finnish store, approximately 394$ price and 32gb model. I think it was a great deal, can't wait to get my hands on it! Thanks guys!
After a lot of research, I almost decided to buy the Z3 Tab Compact so a natural thing to do is to check out Xda.
I'm astonished that "there's no love" if you will. Other devices get many many pages of threads and the Z3 Tab has 10 developments (and 2 are rule stickies!) Even the Samsung devices with the "knox" crap got plenty of love.
Just wondering why?
Nothing in my research suggests the Z3 Tab is such a horrible device that nobody wants to do anything with.
Maybe it's good as it is without extra development ?
At least for me.
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Its not a very popular device, but make no mistake, it's a great tablet. Especially with lollipop it's an awesome experience.
Yes it does seem to be lacking in the popularity stakes. Love mine tho again I did with most the device I buy like z ultra and n900, odd devices to some but irreplaceable to me.
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I just got one, having owned both the Samsung Galaxy S Tab 8.4 and Dell Venue 8 7840.
Other than through Secondipity (where I bought my 32GB Z3 Tab for $330 last week), it's the most expensive Android tablet on the market. The plastic back looks plastic. The screen is smaller on a body equally sized as the two tablets I owned previously and is only 1080p. It has a complicated root process (and took over a month to do without disabling necessary DRM) which discourages all but the committed from rooting and customization. There are not many custom cases for it (I miss the roocase origami from my samsungs). The LTE version's phone capability means t-mobile US users can't get free data for life.
That's all the bad. Here's the good:
It's waterproof... so you can read a book in the bath tub.
The back of the tablet isn't slippery
It's the lightest tablet of it's screen size.
It is the second thinnest Android tablet.
It is a rare android tablet that offers 32GB + microSD option
The screen is as good as LCDs gets (LCDs are better for bright colors and AMOLED better for darks)
The speakers are placed well and produce good sound.
The battery life is the best of any 2014 tablet.
Sony updated it to Android 5.0 before Samsung and Dell... also their updating process means it will be updated at the same time as flagships.
The official case looks good and works fine.
Out of the box, sony gives sound and display customizations (and audio/picture apps) that others copy.
Snapdragon 801 means compatibility as it was the 2014 universal processor.
Lenovo, just launched a new smartphone Lenovo Phab Plus, for around $400. As of now, it's only available in china, but will its way to online retailers soon.
Display - - 6.8-inch full-HD display - 1080 x 1920 pixel resolution. Pixel density of 326ppi,
Processor - 64-bit octa-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 615 processor
RAM - 2GB RAM.
Storage - 32GB
Sound - The Dolby Atmos Surround Sound
Camera - 13mp with dual led flash + 5mp selfie
Dimensions- 96.6 x 186.6 x 7.6 mm, weighs 220 grams
Choices-Comes in Metallic Grey, Midnight Blue, Neon Pink and Elegant Silver platinum colours
My view
I owned the lenovo vibe 2 and the lack of development really frustrated me, as the lenovo software was horrendous. Not sure, if times are changed. I guess if enough people buy this, we'll have some custom rom to work with
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EDIT:
Huawei, earlier this year had also launched Huawei P8max.
Similar specs to the lenovo phablet above, but P8max comes with 3gb ram.
specs in the photo attachedhttp://gadgetblaze.blogspot.in/2015/04/huawei-p8max-with-68-inch-display.html
615 is a horrible, overheating piece of crap, and Huawei's Kirin lacks any sort of dev love. Moreover, they are not advertised as flagships. Believe it or not, these devices will never get the popularity and dev attention like the ZU, unless they one day announce a partnership with CM.
It takes more than a big screen and sleek design to be called a “ZU successor”.
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615 is a horrible, overheating piece of crap, and Huawei's Kirin lacks any sort of dev love. Moreover, they are not advertised as flagships. Believe it or not, these devices will never get the popularity and dev attention like the ZU, unless they one day announce a partnership with CM.
It takes more than a big screen and sleek design to be called a “ZU successor”.
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"It takes more than a big screen and sleek design to be called a “ZU successor”."
Agreed. But it's widespread availability that made the ZU development so active. I don't see why the Lenovo can't get traction (with a $400) price tag if its made available in all major continents.
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It takes more than a big screen and sleek design to be called a “ZU successor”.
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How about double to triple the battery life
Sorry, but in my eyes, the Mediapad X2 is a real successor to the ZU. The Mediapad X2 now has also got its own forum ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/mediapad-x2 ).
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Benjiro said:
How about double to triple the battery life
Sorry, but in my eyes, the Mediapad X2 is a real successor to the ZU. The Mediapad X2 now has also got its own forum ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/mediapad-x2 ).
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Stock ZU has crap battery though.
I have held the mediapad x2, and though i love the display, and overall feel of the phone, it's really just a tad too big. I know the different on paper is small (ZY 6.4' vs 7') but the 7' tablet against one's face looks slightly retarded
I am thinking of buying the C5 ultra as my daily driver, with ZU has backup. C5U is 13mp+13mp camera with front/back flash!
It's 6' vs 6.4' on the ZU but small price to pay for flash, better front facing camera, and dual sim.
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-c5-ultra/specifications/
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Stock ZU has crap battery though.
I have held the mediapad x2, and though i love the display, and overall feel of the phone, it's really just a tad too big. I know the different on paper is small (ZY 6.4' vs 7') but the 7' tablet against one's face looks slightly retarded
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Its just as the ZU. The X2 does look bigger, because of the 1cm but visually while making a call, there is little to no difference between the two. Both look like your holding a house brick near your head *lol*.
But who still uses a phone to call? *lol* ... A phone for me is emergency's / special stuff only. If somebody has something to tell me: WeChat, Mail, ...
In my opinion, if you go for ZU + C5, your probably going to use your C5 all the time and forget your ZU all the time. It becomes a hassle with two medium/big devices, especially if both are smartphones / drain batteries in a few days.
If you want a phone that does not look silly, just get a small Nokia dedicated phone that fits anywhere and last forever
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I am thinking of buying the C5 ultra as my daily driver, with ZU has backup. C5U is 13mp+13mp camera with front/back flash!
It's 6' vs 6.4' on the ZU but small price to pay for flash, better front facing camera, and dual sim.
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-c5-ultra/specifications/
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You do realize that the X2 also has 13mpix + flash
The Xperia C5 Ultra has a price tag almost idential to the X2.
But for the rest its behind in almost all aspects. In my opinion your better off just selling your ZU, pocket the cash and pay a bit more for a X2
Now: Keep ZU + 400 Euro for C5. Your ZU will probably not be used a lot anymore, as it becomes a hassle over time to deal with two medium/big devices that both need charging every few days.
Or: Sell the ZU for maybe 200 Euro. Buy a X2 for 350 a 400 Euro ( only 150 a 200 euro in reality ). Have one device with twice / triple the battery power of the ZU.
I know that you can argue that two devices ZU + C5 = double battery power but that argument does not hold water. If your ZU has 4/3/2G/Cell active, it will still drain a lot of battery, even when not used. Unless you want to constantly link your ZU to your C for data connection. Like that does not seem bothersome all the time
Anyway, my opinion. Join the Church of brotherly X2 love. Welcome my brother.
To sum up my opinions about the devices above:
Phab Plus: 615 is slow and overheats, and $400 is asking too much, even with a relatively big battery. History shows only flagship Lenovo devices get a little dev attention.
MediaPad X2: a feat to cram a 7 inch screen into a body like that, but 10% wider than the already unwieldy ZU, and the Kirin SoC instantly kills devs.
C5U: Sleek and more pocketable / hand-friendly than ZU, but while MT6752 offers performance similar to a SD800 device, paying another $400+ for marginal performance difference and (slightly) weaker dev attention isn't a good idea in my eyes. Unless you'll sell your ZU for it ;D
...which is why I said that the true ZU successor doesn't exist yet. Make compromises in aspects as you see fit.
And one last advice from a flashaholic: DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING OTHER THAN SNAPDRAGONS (and maybe Exynos's).
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AndyYan said:
MediaPad X2: a feat to cram a 7 inch screen into a body like that, but 10% wider than the already unwieldy ZU, and the Kirin SoC instantly kills devs.
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No offense but if you already consider the ZU unwieldy, then why are you even here? From your asking, you are better off in the Samsung Note forum.
AndyYan said:
...which is why I said that the true ZU successor doesn't exist yet. Make compromises in aspects as you see fit.
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Benjiro said:
No offense but if you already consider the ZU unwieldy, then why are you even here? From your asking, you are better off in the Samsung Note forum.
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The ZU is at the verge of falling off my hand, but nonetheless with 1cm less it can still be carried (not used) in hand if I stretch my palm. That 1cm is a difference that crossed the threshold.
Also, yes I do prefer the size of the Note series to the 6-and-above category, but you know what, I enjoyed the Galaxy Mega 6.3 just as much as the Note 3. Nearly as much screen size as the ZU, and small bezels at all sides gives it high screen-to-body ratio and an even smaller footprint. In my mind this is how the 6-inchers should be designed.
Your mileage *will* vary though, because we Asians are known to have smaller hands
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Used to be a Lenovo whore but after the whole spyware crap and crap bloatware they add, I'm boycotting them... MEH.
A 7in tablet as a phone yes is stupid, a 7in phablet with no border is not.
vipfreak said:
A 7in tablet as a phone yes is stupid, a 7in phablet with no border is not.
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Portable tablets with small bezels are always welcome, that's why I still kinda missed my Nexus 7 2013.
That said, Android tablets still need some bezels to avoid misidentifying touch events and to provide a better grip in landscape mode.
But with an oversized UI like that and full phone capabilities, I don't class the MediaPad X2 as a tablet.
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Just held the C5 Ultra today. Man, that's a well-built phone. Slightly smaller than the ZU (6 invs. 6.4in), and though i am very protective of my screen real-estate, I am actually considering the C5U. I can't imagine selling the ZU simply because of the amount of dev love it has received. I can use it as my 'guinea-pig' for the latest/greatest.
I can live with the absence of a flash (i have a really tiny external flash that plugs in the headphone jack), and the garbage camera (have an RX100 m2)
For me, 6.4-6.5 is really the most i can manage, as a primary phone. I am hoping to test out the P8 Max soon. My friend has it, and he says it's simply an amazing phone
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Just held the C5 Ultra today. Man, that's a well-built phone. Slightly smaller than the ZU (6 invs. 6.4in), and though i am very protective of my screen real-estate, I am actually considering the C5U. I can't imagine selling the ZU simply because of the amount of dev love it has received. I can use it as my 'guinea-pig' for the latest/greatest.
I can live with the absence of a flash (i have a really tiny external flash that plugs in the headphone jack), and the garbage camera (have an RX100 m2)
For me, 6.4-6.5 is really the most i can manage, as a primary phone. I am hoping to test out the P8 Max soon. My friend has it, and he says it's simply an amazing phone
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Yeah it's really amazing if you're coming from Z Ultra. It's an upgrade to every area of the Ultra and the updates are frequent compared to Sony.
The softwares are useful too. They have per app permission, optimisation like Greenify, etc all builtin so I don't really need to root the phone but I did anyway lol
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I'm thinking of giving up my idea of a +6in phone and hoping the Blackberry Venice is real. I'd sacrifice screen size for a physical keyboard. I can't believe I'm entertaining that idea though... How far we've fallen...
I just came across this thread on The Lenovo Phab Plus. I passed on the Ultra Z because of the lack of a camera flash which i really need for my tasks.
I'll post some info here for your reference. It may be OT
I just bought the Lenovo Phab Plus to test it out 7" phabs. Cost me around 330 usd in the Philippines and seems like a good deal. Build is good and feels like my Iphone 6 plus. This Phone is tall compared to my Huawei Mediapad X1
Antutu Benchmark v5.7.1 result
32123 Phab Plus
25731 Mediapad X1
35953 Galaxy Tab S 8.4 LTE
Camera quality is piss poor and video exposure is dark and contrasty. But i think software updates will fix that.
Hybrid Dual Sim slot I don't like. I sacrifice a sim slot for a microsd card. Huawei P8 Max is also Hybrid.
Huawei Mediapad X2 Is not hybrid.
Hi guys,
Looking to get a secondary phone. Question, is the Z Ultra still worth a buy, considering the lolipop update? Any performance numbers or whatever issues? Its between this and the C5 Ultra. I want a big display and sadly, the Zultra is the only decent 6.4inch display. Which is better? the MTK6752 or Qualcomms older SoC, in terms of gaming and overall user experience. THanks!
androFRUST said:
Hi guys,
Looking to get a secondary phone. Question, is the Z Ultra still worth a buy, considering the lolipop update? Any performance numbers or whatever issues? Its between this and the C5 Ultra. I want a big display and sadly, the Zultra is the only decent 6.4inch display. Which is better? the MTK6752 or Qualcomms older SoC, in terms of gaming and overall user experience. THanks!
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If you ask me, I'd get C5U instead of ZU, mainly because ZU's touchscreen responsiveness has been hit or miss for me, especially under multi-touch scenarios. The bold appearance and slightly smaller footprint of C5U also counts. You do have to wait quite a bit for custom ROMs, if any, but MT6752 can fight on equal footing with SD800/801, the former being somewhat stronger in CPU but beaten in GPU.
Question is, isn't a second-hand ZU *much* cheaper than the still-fresh C5U? I bought my ZU second-hand for ~$120, while C5U still retails for $350+ here.
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If you ask me, I'd get C5U instead of ZU, mainly because ZU's touchscreen responsiveness has been hit or miss for me, especially under multi-touch scenarios. The bold appearance and slightly smaller footprint of C5U also counts. You do have to wait quite a bit for custom ROMs, if any, but MT6752 can fight on equal footing with SD800/801, the former being somewhat stronger in CPU but beaten in GPU.
Question is, isn't a second-hand ZU *much* cheaper than the still-fresh C5U? I bought my ZU second-hand for ~$120, while C5U still retails for $350+ here.
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thanks for your feeback!! i have decided to go for the C5 ultra.. hopefully all is well!! thanks man
androFRUST said:
thanks for your feeback!! i have decided to go for the C5 ultra.. hopefully all is well!! thanks man
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Get the P8 Max, it's a much better deal compared with the C5.
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http://m.gsmarena.com/a_total_of_5_sony_xperia_z6s_expected_a_4inch_mini_among_them-news-15343.php
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http://m.gsmarena.com/a_total_of_5_sony_xperia_z6s_expected_a_4inch_mini_among_them-news-15343.php
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It is good news and lets hope there will be more confirmations coming such as leaked FCC documents.
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i'll believe it when i see it.
Agreed, we have a rumoured Ultra every iteration. None has been accurate yet... Fingers crossed though.
Sony isnt as gutsy anymore. Z Ultra was a fail they most likely arent gonna take the risk again
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The market has evolved since 2013. Big screen devices are gaining popularity, especially in Asia and a 6.44 inch display in a slim body would be a much easier sell now than it was back then (the Ultra came to the market when a 5.5 inch Note 2 was the biggest screen) but a couple of competitors are offering devices above 5.7 inches and goes up to 7 inches.
Sony can take three routes for the next Ultra and both would be OK:
1. Introducing a Z6 Ultra with a 6.44 inch display and a decent camera.
2. Introducing a Z6 Tablet Compact with an 8 inch display, slimmer bezels than the Z3 TC and an ear speaker and dialer in the LTE version.
3. Introduce both a Z6 Ultra and a Z6 Tablet Compact.
I think they made the C5 Ultra as a market test and I got the impression that it got a positive reception, which would make it easier to design a Z6 Ultra with a similar edge-to-edge display design, which would make it smaller than the Z Ultra.
The alternative is a Tablet Compact with a similar edge-to-edge display and fully equipped with LTE and a dialer. Such a device would be smaller than the Z3 TC and would be totally OK as a replacement for the Ultra. Using the "Tablet Compact" name is clever since western people seems to be more accepting of tablets with an 8 inch display than a big "smartphone".
To me, the next "Ultra" can be a Z6 Ultra or a Z6 Tablet Compact LTE and I am pretty sure we will get at least one of them. AnTuTu scores give some credibility to a Z6 Ultra, though. The earlier rumors such as Z3X were just renderings without any information presented but this early indication from AnTuTu carries more weight. I don't think they would "fake" benchmarks from a Z6 series of Sony devices since it would be of no use.
Except it's not an Antutu report, it's Antutu saying on social media that "It is reported that..." Gossip at best.
The question is if someone ran an AnTuTu test on a prototype device and shared the results?
I think it is highly probable and logical with a portfolio clean up next year with a Z6 series eliminating all remains of the troubled 2015 (Xperia Z4 which should have been released alongside with the Z4 Tablet, then silent release in Japan followed by Z3+ in Europe quickly followed by the Z5, which isn't a complete series either).
It is reasonable to expect a Z6 Compact, Z6, Z6 Premium or Plus with some question marks regarding a Z6 Ultra, Z6 Tablet Compact and Z6 Tablet. A Z6 TC with smaller bezels than the Z3 TC with dialer on the LTE version (like the existing TC) and an ear speaker (improvement over the existing TC) would do it as an Ultra replacement. Whether Sony decide to develop a Z6 Ultra or rather let a Z6 TC take care of those customers is an open question. I would be very surprised if they leave a gap between the 5.5-5.7 inch segment and have a 10 inch as the next step. Something in between, be it a 6.44 inch Z6 Ultra or a 8 inch Z6 TC is a logical addition to the product line.
The size difference between a Z6 Ultra and a Z6 TC (with smaller bezels than the Z3 TC) is not that big so they could very well merge them into one device but with some more activity on the LTE version (many stores only carried the WiFi only Z3 TC SGP 611 or 612).
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The question is if someone ran an AnTuTu test on a prototype device and shared the results?
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I've not seen that anywhere. And "logical additions" are less so if Sony's position is still that its mobile phone business is in a holding pattern only.
A Z6 Tablet Compact is something I am pretty sure they will introduce since it is hard to see them allow a gap between a 5.5 inch device and a 10 inch tablet. I can understand a reluctance to make a 6.44 inch phablet but a new Tablet Compact could absorb those customers (the Z3 TC wasn't enough of an upgrade to make it worthwhile, especially since the LTE version has 16 GB only). All it takes is an "SGP652" and "SGP653" with 32 and 64 GB internal and LTE radio with a dialer and ear speaker (even if headset only is OK) and it would work as an Ultra replacement, especially with smaller bezels, which would make it just a tad bigger than the Ultra.
Even if they would decide to postpone a Z6 series to later next year I would assume a Z6 Tablet Compact and a Z6 Tablet is being their products for MWC, which would make sense since their earlier tablets were introduced at that time.
One thing is for sure: If they come empty handed to MWC with nothing new to show, i.e. trying to extract more life out of the Z3 TC and Z4 Tablet, it will be game-over quickly. The Z5 can live for a few months but two new tablets are needed.
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A Z6 Tablet Compact is something I am pretty sure they will introduce since it is hard to see them allow a gap between a 5.5 inch device and a 10 inch tablet. I can understand a reluctance to make a 6.44 inch phablet but a new Tablet Compact could absorb those customers
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The TCs are just too big for me for an everyday phone. If there's no new ZU and not enough old ones available, I'll probably just have to step down to the best 6in device. But I'll be hoping for a Z6U/Z7U etc.
Possible renaming for z ultra
The z3 tablet compact on the three network in the uk is classed as a tablet not a phablet even though you can call and text but the data is automatically disabled by three uk. I used this device for my primary mobile needs for about 4 month 2014 to q1 2015 until three disabled the data. I would like it if sony renamed the tablet compact to phablet compact or something else, so networks dont put the devices in the same class as full tablets, i also have the phone call conversation from the three customer service and supervisor(manager maybe). When three had disabled my data i had purchased a sony xperia z ultra to get my data back online and for my needs, now my z3 tablet compact is used as a second device for my work needs but as soon as the three uk network changes then i would be using this as my primary device again.
I use my Ultra with a data-only SIM since 2014 when Hangouts Dialer came out since I use Google Voice for all talk and text needs and I usually get a SIM card without any issues with service this or that depending on the device. If I have the service and the SIM is compatible, everything is good to go and if a carrier have another idea and want to interfere, then I would be pretty mad at them.
I have tried the Z3 TC and can carry it in the same pocket as my Ultra with a Power Cover CP12. The main reason I never took the step was the decision of Sony to only use 16 GB in the SGP621, which essentially made it like an Ultra with a bigger screen (3 GB RAM is a benefit but otherwise the same more or less).
To me, going down to a smaller display isn't a workable solution since it make things clumsier, especially browsing and reading gain a lot with more space. Even a 6 inch display is a noticeable degradation for those things. The Ultra is the first device which is big enough to actually replace a tablet for me since the display is big enough without feeling like a big compromise. Going up to an 8 inch isn't my main plan but since the manufacturers actually make tablets that size, it is an option I have investigated as an option provided the market for 6.5-7 inch phablets with high end hardware is heavily restricted even in 2016.
With the Android 6.1 in the works and indications about great things going tablet next year (multi window, redesigned nav bar and so on), I am even more convinced about stepping up to 8 inches if Sony or another maker fail to give us a proper Ultra replacement (which I would convert into tablet DPI to get the new upcoming enhancements).
Can it be...?
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=PY7&pc=-PM0913
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Can it be...?
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=PY7&pc=-PM0913
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Idk how to read that site
mingkee said:
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http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=PY7&pc=-PM0913
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PM0913=Z5 Premium Dual it is a 5.5 inch screen.
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Idk how to read that site
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It's FCC site shows all supported American bands.
Since it has B12, it's good For T-Mobile
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It's FCC site shows all supported American bands.
Since it has B12, it's good For T-Mobile
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identification>
<model>E6883</model>
<marketingname>Xperia™ Z5 Premium Dual (E6883)</marketingname>
<vendor>Sony</vendor>
<brand>Xperia</brand>
<typeID>PM-0913-BV</typeID>
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