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Looks like the Z3X is now real. Just showed up in the benchmark database with 6.2 inch 2K screen, 810 processor, 4GB RAM etc etc.
antutu.com/view.shtml?id=7935 and these guys reported it - gforgames.com/gadgets/qualcomm-snapdragon-810-undergoing-testing-44812 - they didnt know what is was lol.
If this is legit, then God exists. You made my day. Thanks. But 7.9mm thickness could be shaved off a little.
That is due to the 2/3rds format camera sensor that it rumoured to have
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That is due to the 2/3rds format camera sensor that it rumoured to have
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I understand but maybe a slim variant without curved sensors may be done. 6.2" with 7.9 sounds massive.
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That is due to the 2/3rds format camera sensor that it rumoured to have
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Or maybe a hump on the back wouldn't hurt
Awesome my next phone
I can't wait until 2015 that this phablet goes out ! I have the Xperia Z2, and i must say that i would love to have the same phone, but with a bigger screen, like Z Ultra...
I used to have the Z ultra last year in september, i was in love with this phone, except for the flash who's missing an the poor quality of the camera and the external speaker... but for everything else it's a great great phone, specially the screen ! I'm hesitating to buy it again, but as the IFA is coming in 2-3 weeks, i'm telling myself that is maybe better to wait as i was (pretty) sure that Sony will present the "Z Ultra 2"... But with this Z3X... i'm not sure anymore...
What do you think guys ?
I think the successor to the Ultra will be the rumored "Z3 Tablet Compact" - i.e. a device marketed as a tablet rather than smartphone. I am sure Sony will have more success that way.
The Z3X seems to be more of a camera centric device rather than a direct Ultra successor. Because of this, I consider the Z3 Tablet Compact to be the replacement and it would work, especially with a 7 inch screen. I don't think they will make an 8 incher considering that it would be close to the Z2 Tablet.
I would not like to go for a smaller screen on the next device and the camera part is covered through a QX10 - I would most probably opt for the tablet instead. I would be quite sure that it will have full phone functionality even if they push for the pure tablet related aspects in their marketing communication.
If this really come through then nice But for now, my Z Ultra is still enough. Well maybe when the battery died then
Nice find... I'm hanging out for a good camera phone that isn't thick like the galaxy k zoom. Hopefully this one gets announced at IFA
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Nice find... I'm hanging out for a good camera phone that isn't thick like the galaxy k zoom. Hopefully this one gets announced at IFA
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I don't think that Sony will announce Z3X this year. I believe they'll release Z3 Ultra or Z4 Ultra and Z3X at MWC 2015. Until that time my Z ultra is with me.
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I don't think they will make an 8 incher considering that it would be close to the Z2 Tablet.
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http://m.gizbot.com/tablet-pc-lapto...z3-compact-tipped-ifa-2014-launch-018912.html
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Any chance they got the resolution wrong? 16:10 seems like an awkward aspect ratio for a phone, and previously (in supposed leaks of the specs - I can't insert a link but you can google Xperia Z3X) the resolution was reported to be 2560x1152 which also matches the dimensions the phone was claimed to have (69.5×150.1×7.9mm). I guess it's a possibility that the benchmark did not have an option 2560x1152 and 2560x1600 was selected as the closest.
A leak shows up today about the Xperia Z3 Tablet compact, some people thought it'll be the Sony Xperia Z Ultra 2...
Well, sorry to disappoint them as much as i am but it's going to be a tablet, the 72 tablet successor more specifically...
I really hope they're gonna release a new Xperia Z Ultra... We'll know soon enough with the IFA in Berlin coming next week !
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A leak shows up today about the Xperia Z3 Tablet compact, some people thought it'll be the Sony Xperia Z Ultra 2...
Well, sorry to disappoint them as much as i am but it's going to be a tablet, the 72 tablet successor more specifically...
I really hope they're gonna release a new Xperia Z Ultra... We'll know soon enough with the IFA in Berlin coming next week !
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The Xperia Z3 Tablet Compact is supposed to have a Snapdragon 801 (MSM8974) SoC and 3 GB RAM, so it can't be the device benchmarked here (unless the specs in the benchmark are faked or incorrect). Also, if the Xperia Z3 Tablet Compact is due to be announced and available very soon, it obviously can't feature a 20nm Snapdragon 810 (MSM8994) SoC as those won't become commercially available until some months into 2015.
For what it's worth, I spoke to Orange yesterday as I'm currently in my free upgrade period. They acknowledged I was using an Xperia Z Ultra and advised me to hang back on an upgrade till October when a replacement Ultra would be released.
I was a little confused and mentioned he was most likely referring to the Z3 Tablet Compact and the salesmen said: "No, we've defiantly received word from Sony a direct Z Ultra replacement will be released in mid October".
Think of it what you will, but personally I can't see it happening.
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For what it's worth, I spoke to Orange yesterday as I'm currently in my free upgrade period. They acknowledged I was using an Xperia Z Ultra and advised me to hang back on an upgrade till October when a replacement Ultra would be released.
I was a little confused and mentioned he was most likely referring to the Z3 Tablet Compact and the salesmen said: "No, we've defiantly received word from Sony a direct Z Ultra replacement will be released in mid October".
Think of it what you will, but personally I can't see it happening.
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Any chance you could follow up and get more details, for example confirming the critical parts of the specs like the OLED display or the 22MP curved sensor? They will probably answer that they are bound by an NDA but it might be worth a try.
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Any chance you could follow up and get more details, for example confirming the critical parts of the specs like the OLED display or the 22MP curved sensor? They will probably answer that they are bound by an NDA but it might be worth a try.
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I am looking forward to your response too. Checking the forum every hour. Give us the answers. Talk.
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Any chance you could follow up and get more details, for example confirming the critical parts of the specs like the OLED display or the 22MP curved sensor? They will probably answer that they are bound by an NDA but it might be worth a try.
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I'm as much in the dark as your're I'm afraid, they weren't able to confirm any further details but did definitely confirm a successor to the Z Ultra would follow in October.
Perhaps they're refering to the Z3 Tablet Compact that might see UK release in October?
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I'm as much in the dark as your're I'm afraid, they weren't able to confirm any further details but did definitely confirm a successor to the Z Ultra would follow in October.
Perhaps they're refering to the Z3 Tablet Compact that might see UK release in October?
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Well could you ask again anytime soon if you happen to pass by.. I will definitely pass Note 4 if there is a Z Ultra successor. Fingers crossed :fingers-crossed:
http://www.androidcentral.com/hands-huawei-mediapad-x2
1920x1200 7" display
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http://www.androidcentral.com/hands-huawei-mediapad-x2
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This is lovely; I like it a lot.I wonder what the price will be though for each version?
Very interesting indeed!
I decided the Z3 tablet is a bit much for me as a phone but this one could be the one if it gets any dev behind it and a good screen of course.
Agreed about whether a hacker community forms around it.
Before I buy a device, I check XDA and Modaco to see whether anyone else is working on it.
Hmmm, the SoC used has a Mali GPU, but I don't know anything about the CPU
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The development for Huawei are pathetic at best.. I have ascend mate 1 & 2. Benchmarks are ok but real life use is pretty laggy. I gave up on the company. Look at their flagship, the mate 7. It's out for a while but there's still no custom rom if I am not wrong..
For me there is more to XZU than just the screen size, be it the extra sensitivity or the looks, on these grounds we should rather wait for the real successor sony is supposedly working on
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For me there is more to XZU than just the screen size, be it the extra sensitivity or the looks, on these grounds we should rather wait for the real successor sony is supposedly working on
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Agree:good:
I am open to other manufacturers working on 7-8 inch devices but in order to be a viable replacement, some things are necessary:
1. Snapdragon 810 or 820
2. 3-4 GB RAM
3. 32-128 GB internal storage
4. MicroSDXC slot
5. 6.5-8 inch display with 2K resolution or higher
6. Vanilla Android or a lightly skinned version (Sony or Motorola style)
7. Developer friendliness with decent ROM support
8. Adequate camera (12 MP is perfectly fine)
9. Support for an external camera module (DSC-QX10 et al)
It would be great with a keyboard flipcover accessory as well.
A device without microSD slot and a lack of ROMs would fail to replace the Ultra in a proper way. The same goes for heavily skinned Android implementations or a lack of hardware standardization (a lot of different ROM incompatible versions).
The Huawei MediaPad X2 could be a "replacement" provided decent ROM support and similar LTE bands as the Ultra but I am not sure about those things.
I am quite sure that a viable "replacement" to the Ultra will be either a Sony device or something from a Chinese manufacturer. I still hope for an Oppo or Xiaomi since I think it is those two companies that would be able to actually tick the boxes properly if Sony would let us down with a Z4 Ultra. Similar hardware as the new Z4 Tablet would be great.
For me it's about manageability and think my Zu is just about manageable in the hand. I am aware others see it as a bit of a freak when they consider what's acceptable as their phone/daily driver but I like that it blurs the line of whats acceptable as a phone or tablet and I like that for me it's both...The Zu is my phone when I need to make calls text etc add to that the convenience of probably the best Web browsing experience on any device I have ever used with phone capability, decent battery, powerful innards, then let me at it-i say!!
Let the naysayers nay.
However the Huawei pad while spec wise is great it just seems to push that boundary of what I would consider manageable as a Phone.
I enjoy the tall slender ergonomics of the Zu but the Huawei just looks too wide and tablet-y for what I would consider manageable...I do like the smaller bezels tho
Less than a quarter inch taller and half inch wider, has an sd slot and the processor is supposed to be 16 nm die size similar to Apple.A9 chip.
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The development for Huawei are pathetic at best. I gave up on the company.
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It's all because it's ''made in China'' .
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For me it's about manageability and think my Zu is just about manageable in the hand. I am aware others see it as a bit of a freak
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Lol, you just reminded me. Several days back I was ordering a Chicken Twister Meal from some fast food restaurant called SFC (Southern Fried Chicken) .
Anyway I placed my order and took a seat since it needed time to prepare. Wife calls and I answer and we start chatting...
I noticed the two Filipino women who took my order were both whispering to each other whilst looking at me and were laughing...
Needless to say I know exactly why they were laughing. They saw me speaking on such a huge phone which wasn't normal for them
and it really made them laugh...
I didn't give a $hit and continued. Other times whilst on the phone, I've had looks/hard stares and in some cases women approach me and ask what phone I have, model and size. There have been many stares especially when taking the phone out my pocket whilst on the train. Half the cabin are staring wondering what phone you have and shocked at it's huge size.
When people do give funny looks I couldn't care less especially because of another thing I saw. On several occasions, I've even seen people talking on 8-10" tablets!!! They were not using earphones, the phone was on their ear, now that looks a lot funnier than my 6.4" Xperia Z Ultra...
Another candidate
http://androidheadlines.com/2015/03/mwc-2015-hands-ztes-high-end-phablet-nubia-x6.html
Personally prefer how the x2 look, but 2015 is turning out to be a promising year for big phablet lover
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http://androidheadlines.com/2015/03/mwc-2015-hands-ztes-high-end-phablet-nubia-x6.html
Personally prefer how the x2 look, but 2015 is turning out to be a promising year for big phablet lover
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Indeed I prefer the x2 as well. I mean, if I am moving from the Ultra I rather do it to a bigger phone but not so sure about the chipset of the x2. I wish it was the Snapdragon 810.
Also, on the ZTE, well, it is the same size as my Ultra so the only way for me to upgrade would be if it was some better looking screen (darker blacks etc) and replaceable batteries. I guess I am happy enough with the Ultra that I can be picky
I don't trust these chinese manufactures.
It will be stuck on the same Android Version for ages, with next to no development.
I have had both the Huawei Ascend Mate7 with an Octa Core Kirin 925 @1.8GHz and the Huawei MediaPad X1 with a Quad Core VR91 @1.6GHz.
The X1 was just too slow and laggy but other than that it was a great device. It looks very nice and build quality was comparable to an iPhone 5 or 6. Of course it's big but I used it as a phone and had no issues with it.
The Mate7 was too small for my taste but performance wise I had no issues. It was comparable to the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 in that regard.
The MediaPad X2 uses a Kirin 930 @2.0GHz and has Lollipop so I have no doubt it will not be a laggy device.
With regard to ROMs, if you install another launcher the Huawei software is bearable. It's not like TouchWiz. I am looking forward to getting the X2 and if it can be rooted I think I will be satisfied. Hopefully Huawei will come out with a proper European version without the Chinese stuff on it.
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http://androidheadlines.com/2015/03/mwc-2015-hands-ztes-high-end-phablet-nubia-x6.html
Personally prefer how the x2 look, but 2015 is turning out to be a promising year for big phablet lover
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Have been tracking this device (x6 with 3GB RAM & 128gb) at least for the past 6-7 months as I was getting restless for new phone (I change phones every 3 months). Since there was no release date on sight, I sold my XZU, bought Lumia 1520 but found it small for my taste (But loved Windows OS; one for future if they launch with 6.2+ screen size) so sold it off after 1 month and re bought XZU again!
Have been tracking this phone in below website where the Customer care is promising launch dates (3GB+128gb) but nothing has been done in almost 6 months.
http://www.nubiamobileshop.com/nubi...pdragon-801-2gb-32gb-13-0mp-camera-white.html
However, if it launches for around $400 (which is not going to happen as 2gb version is around $450 and 3gb one will around $700), I would definitely look into it as Mediapad X2 looks too wide and will be difficult to hold.
Definitely interested in this device, but I wonder what the price will be. Hard to compete with the Ultra since it can be had for less than 300.
ZTE Nubia X6
Snapdragon 801
6,44" fullhd display
3 gb ram
32 / 64 / 128 gb
lte, bluetooth 4.0, nfc, wi-fi abgn, infrared
4500 mah battery
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What planet are you living on... ? (for clarification phablet means AT LEAST 6in. Or bigger...)
Lenovo, just launched a new smartphone Lenovo Phab Plus, for around $400. As of now, it's only available in china, but will its way to online retailers soon.
Display - - 6.8-inch full-HD display - 1080 x 1920 pixel resolution. Pixel density of 326ppi,
Processor - 64-bit octa-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 615 processor
RAM - 2GB RAM.
Storage - 32GB
Sound - The Dolby Atmos Surround Sound
Camera - 13mp with dual led flash + 5mp selfie
Dimensions- 96.6 x 186.6 x 7.6 mm, weighs 220 grams
Choices-Comes in Metallic Grey, Midnight Blue, Neon Pink and Elegant Silver platinum colours
My view
I owned the lenovo vibe 2 and the lack of development really frustrated me, as the lenovo software was horrendous. Not sure, if times are changed. I guess if enough people buy this, we'll have some custom rom to work with
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EDIT:
Huawei, earlier this year had also launched Huawei P8max.
Similar specs to the lenovo phablet above, but P8max comes with 3gb ram.
specs in the photo attachedhttp://gadgetblaze.blogspot.in/2015/04/huawei-p8max-with-68-inch-display.html
615 is a horrible, overheating piece of crap, and Huawei's Kirin lacks any sort of dev love. Moreover, they are not advertised as flagships. Believe it or not, these devices will never get the popularity and dev attention like the ZU, unless they one day announce a partnership with CM.
It takes more than a big screen and sleek design to be called a “ZU successor”.
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615 is a horrible, overheating piece of crap, and Huawei's Kirin lacks any sort of dev love. Moreover, they are not advertised as flagships. Believe it or not, these devices will never get the popularity and dev attention like the ZU, unless they one day announce a partnership with CM.
It takes more than a big screen and sleek design to be called a “ZU successor”.
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"It takes more than a big screen and sleek design to be called a “ZU successor”."
Agreed. But it's widespread availability that made the ZU development so active. I don't see why the Lenovo can't get traction (with a $400) price tag if its made available in all major continents.
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It takes more than a big screen and sleek design to be called a “ZU successor”.
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How about double to triple the battery life
Sorry, but in my eyes, the Mediapad X2 is a real successor to the ZU. The Mediapad X2 now has also got its own forum ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/mediapad-x2 ).
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How about double to triple the battery life
Sorry, but in my eyes, the Mediapad X2 is a real successor to the ZU. The Mediapad X2 now has also got its own forum ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/mediapad-x2 ).
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Stock ZU has crap battery though.
I have held the mediapad x2, and though i love the display, and overall feel of the phone, it's really just a tad too big. I know the different on paper is small (ZY 6.4' vs 7') but the 7' tablet against one's face looks slightly retarded
I am thinking of buying the C5 ultra as my daily driver, with ZU has backup. C5U is 13mp+13mp camera with front/back flash!
It's 6' vs 6.4' on the ZU but small price to pay for flash, better front facing camera, and dual sim.
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-c5-ultra/specifications/
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Stock ZU has crap battery though.
I have held the mediapad x2, and though i love the display, and overall feel of the phone, it's really just a tad too big. I know the different on paper is small (ZY 6.4' vs 7') but the 7' tablet against one's face looks slightly retarded
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Its just as the ZU. The X2 does look bigger, because of the 1cm but visually while making a call, there is little to no difference between the two. Both look like your holding a house brick near your head *lol*.
But who still uses a phone to call? *lol* ... A phone for me is emergency's / special stuff only. If somebody has something to tell me: WeChat, Mail, ...
In my opinion, if you go for ZU + C5, your probably going to use your C5 all the time and forget your ZU all the time. It becomes a hassle with two medium/big devices, especially if both are smartphones / drain batteries in a few days.
If you want a phone that does not look silly, just get a small Nokia dedicated phone that fits anywhere and last forever
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I am thinking of buying the C5 ultra as my daily driver, with ZU has backup. C5U is 13mp+13mp camera with front/back flash!
It's 6' vs 6.4' on the ZU but small price to pay for flash, better front facing camera, and dual sim.
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-c5-ultra/specifications/
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You do realize that the X2 also has 13mpix + flash
The Xperia C5 Ultra has a price tag almost idential to the X2.
But for the rest its behind in almost all aspects. In my opinion your better off just selling your ZU, pocket the cash and pay a bit more for a X2
Now: Keep ZU + 400 Euro for C5. Your ZU will probably not be used a lot anymore, as it becomes a hassle over time to deal with two medium/big devices that both need charging every few days.
Or: Sell the ZU for maybe 200 Euro. Buy a X2 for 350 a 400 Euro ( only 150 a 200 euro in reality ). Have one device with twice / triple the battery power of the ZU.
I know that you can argue that two devices ZU + C5 = double battery power but that argument does not hold water. If your ZU has 4/3/2G/Cell active, it will still drain a lot of battery, even when not used. Unless you want to constantly link your ZU to your C for data connection. Like that does not seem bothersome all the time
Anyway, my opinion. Join the Church of brotherly X2 love. Welcome my brother.
To sum up my opinions about the devices above:
Phab Plus: 615 is slow and overheats, and $400 is asking too much, even with a relatively big battery. History shows only flagship Lenovo devices get a little dev attention.
MediaPad X2: a feat to cram a 7 inch screen into a body like that, but 10% wider than the already unwieldy ZU, and the Kirin SoC instantly kills devs.
C5U: Sleek and more pocketable / hand-friendly than ZU, but while MT6752 offers performance similar to a SD800 device, paying another $400+ for marginal performance difference and (slightly) weaker dev attention isn't a good idea in my eyes. Unless you'll sell your ZU for it ;D
...which is why I said that the true ZU successor doesn't exist yet. Make compromises in aspects as you see fit.
And one last advice from a flashaholic: DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING OTHER THAN SNAPDRAGONS (and maybe Exynos's).
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MediaPad X2: a feat to cram a 7 inch screen into a body like that, but 10% wider than the already unwieldy ZU, and the Kirin SoC instantly kills devs.
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No offense but if you already consider the ZU unwieldy, then why are you even here? From your asking, you are better off in the Samsung Note forum.
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...which is why I said that the true ZU successor doesn't exist yet. Make compromises in aspects as you see fit.
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No offense but if you already consider the ZU unwieldy, then why are you even here? From your asking, you are better off in the Samsung Note forum.
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The ZU is at the verge of falling off my hand, but nonetheless with 1cm less it can still be carried (not used) in hand if I stretch my palm. That 1cm is a difference that crossed the threshold.
Also, yes I do prefer the size of the Note series to the 6-and-above category, but you know what, I enjoyed the Galaxy Mega 6.3 just as much as the Note 3. Nearly as much screen size as the ZU, and small bezels at all sides gives it high screen-to-body ratio and an even smaller footprint. In my mind this is how the 6-inchers should be designed.
Your mileage *will* vary though, because we Asians are known to have smaller hands
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Used to be a Lenovo whore but after the whole spyware crap and crap bloatware they add, I'm boycotting them... MEH.
A 7in tablet as a phone yes is stupid, a 7in phablet with no border is not.
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A 7in tablet as a phone yes is stupid, a 7in phablet with no border is not.
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Portable tablets with small bezels are always welcome, that's why I still kinda missed my Nexus 7 2013.
That said, Android tablets still need some bezels to avoid misidentifying touch events and to provide a better grip in landscape mode.
But with an oversized UI like that and full phone capabilities, I don't class the MediaPad X2 as a tablet.
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Just held the C5 Ultra today. Man, that's a well-built phone. Slightly smaller than the ZU (6 invs. 6.4in), and though i am very protective of my screen real-estate, I am actually considering the C5U. I can't imagine selling the ZU simply because of the amount of dev love it has received. I can use it as my 'guinea-pig' for the latest/greatest.
I can live with the absence of a flash (i have a really tiny external flash that plugs in the headphone jack), and the garbage camera (have an RX100 m2)
For me, 6.4-6.5 is really the most i can manage, as a primary phone. I am hoping to test out the P8 Max soon. My friend has it, and he says it's simply an amazing phone
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Just held the C5 Ultra today. Man, that's a well-built phone. Slightly smaller than the ZU (6 invs. 6.4in), and though i am very protective of my screen real-estate, I am actually considering the C5U. I can't imagine selling the ZU simply because of the amount of dev love it has received. I can use it as my 'guinea-pig' for the latest/greatest.
I can live with the absence of a flash (i have a really tiny external flash that plugs in the headphone jack), and the garbage camera (have an RX100 m2)
For me, 6.4-6.5 is really the most i can manage, as a primary phone. I am hoping to test out the P8 Max soon. My friend has it, and he says it's simply an amazing phone
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Yeah it's really amazing if you're coming from Z Ultra. It's an upgrade to every area of the Ultra and the updates are frequent compared to Sony.
The softwares are useful too. They have per app permission, optimisation like Greenify, etc all builtin so I don't really need to root the phone but I did anyway lol
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I'm thinking of giving up my idea of a +6in phone and hoping the Blackberry Venice is real. I'd sacrifice screen size for a physical keyboard. I can't believe I'm entertaining that idea though... How far we've fallen...
I just came across this thread on The Lenovo Phab Plus. I passed on the Ultra Z because of the lack of a camera flash which i really need for my tasks.
I'll post some info here for your reference. It may be OT
I just bought the Lenovo Phab Plus to test it out 7" phabs. Cost me around 330 usd in the Philippines and seems like a good deal. Build is good and feels like my Iphone 6 plus. This Phone is tall compared to my Huawei Mediapad X1
Antutu Benchmark v5.7.1 result
32123 Phab Plus
25731 Mediapad X1
35953 Galaxy Tab S 8.4 LTE
Camera quality is piss poor and video exposure is dark and contrasty. But i think software updates will fix that.
Hybrid Dual Sim slot I don't like. I sacrifice a sim slot for a microsd card. Huawei P8 Max is also Hybrid.
Huawei Mediapad X2 Is not hybrid.
Hi guys,
Looking to get a secondary phone. Question, is the Z Ultra still worth a buy, considering the lolipop update? Any performance numbers or whatever issues? Its between this and the C5 Ultra. I want a big display and sadly, the Zultra is the only decent 6.4inch display. Which is better? the MTK6752 or Qualcomms older SoC, in terms of gaming and overall user experience. THanks!
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Hi guys,
Looking to get a secondary phone. Question, is the Z Ultra still worth a buy, considering the lolipop update? Any performance numbers or whatever issues? Its between this and the C5 Ultra. I want a big display and sadly, the Zultra is the only decent 6.4inch display. Which is better? the MTK6752 or Qualcomms older SoC, in terms of gaming and overall user experience. THanks!
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If you ask me, I'd get C5U instead of ZU, mainly because ZU's touchscreen responsiveness has been hit or miss for me, especially under multi-touch scenarios. The bold appearance and slightly smaller footprint of C5U also counts. You do have to wait quite a bit for custom ROMs, if any, but MT6752 can fight on equal footing with SD800/801, the former being somewhat stronger in CPU but beaten in GPU.
Question is, isn't a second-hand ZU *much* cheaper than the still-fresh C5U? I bought my ZU second-hand for ~$120, while C5U still retails for $350+ here.
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If you ask me, I'd get C5U instead of ZU, mainly because ZU's touchscreen responsiveness has been hit or miss for me, especially under multi-touch scenarios. The bold appearance and slightly smaller footprint of C5U also counts. You do have to wait quite a bit for custom ROMs, if any, but MT6752 can fight on equal footing with SD800/801, the former being somewhat stronger in CPU but beaten in GPU.
Question is, isn't a second-hand ZU *much* cheaper than the still-fresh C5U? I bought my ZU second-hand for ~$120, while C5U still retails for $350+ here.
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thanks for your feeback!! i have decided to go for the C5 ultra.. hopefully all is well!! thanks man
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thanks for your feeback!! i have decided to go for the C5 ultra.. hopefully all is well!! thanks man
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Get the P8 Max, it's a much better deal compared with the C5.
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Hi
I'm thinking about buying this phone, but... with some special details. and I wanted your opinion.
I'm not really looking for a phone, I'm looking to replace my nexus 7 GSM (2012) tablet.
It cannot be something bigger than the N7 (in physical dimensions), it must have 3g connectivity and it has to be an upgrade (better specs).
These requests pretty much clean all the tablets, as only the 7'' and (some) 8'' are small enough and only very few have 3g or 4g.
So I thought of a phablet, and the Z ultra appeared on the search.
I know the screen is smaller, but I don't expect that difference to be a problem. I'll try to find other big phones in a store to compare.
I have a Z1 compact as a phone, and from the looks of it, the Z ultra is exactly the same, only with a bigger screen and battery.
This means the same rom support (cyanogenmod), the same performance (I'm very happy with the Z1 compact on that) and bigger battery and screen for movies and games.
So, am I right, do you think this is a good choice for me?
you can go with the xperia z3 compact tablet as well, that tablet has a sim card slot.
Currently I use it as LTE tablet and it works fine.
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you can go with the xperia z3 compact tablet as well, that tablet has a sim card slot.
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I didn't even know it existed...
It's bigger (yet not too big), faster, has more battery, full CM support... It's also more expensive, but maybe it's worth it.
Thanks! I'll really consider it.
Just to let you know, my ZU hasn't served me that well as a tablet, because 1) the touch panel mis-registers under multi-touch situations, 2) the speaker produces constant buzzing sound and 3) battery life is mediocre for real.
I have a TabPRO 8.4 WiFi, but this thing also has 3G and LTE variants. It might be a bit too big to your taste, but aside from the looks, this tablet is the best I've had my hands on.
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Just to let you know, my ZU hasn't served me that well as a tablet, because 1) the touch panel mis-registers under multi-touch situations, 2) the speaker produces constant buzzing sound and 3) battery life is mediocre for real.
I have a TabPRO 8.4 WiFi, but this thing also has 3G and LTE variants. It might be a bit too big to your taste, but aside from the looks, this tablet is the best I've had my hands on.
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Surprisingly, it's not too big (but it's close to).
Here the biggest problem is the price, the LTE variant is a lot more expensive than the Z ultra or the Z3 tablet compact already mentioned here.
Anyway, thanks for the opinion, the battery life was a concern for me, and it seems it is a problem.
Actually, after that last suggestion I re-checked the prices... and both the tablets presented are much more expensive than the Z ultra...
Even with the spec difference and the possible battery problem, it's still the one I think I'll choose.
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Surprisingly, it's not too big (but it's close to).
Here the biggest problem is the price, the LTE variant is a lot more expensive than the Z ultra or the Z3 tablet compact already mentioned here.
Anyway, thanks for the opinion, the battery life was a concern for me, and it seems it is a problem.
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Strange, TabPRO 8.4 retails for about the same price as Z3TC here. Also, most of my devices are bought second-hand, and in the cases of ZU and TabPRO, they cost me ~$125 and ~$190 respectively, while Z3TC can go up to $250+ (yes, used - absurdly pricey).
To me the extra price made quite a difference - aside from the looks, TabPRO gives me a much more comfortable tablet experience and fits snugly in my small carry bag.
There are indeed very few devices in the price range of ZU that can match its specs and screen, and for that it is a unicorn I don't actually want to let go of... But the small problems mentioned in the last post proved more than annoying for me. YMMV, as always.
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You should compare Z Ultra with 7" LTE tablet like Nexus 7 or Asus ME572CL.
CPU is far superior.
Nexus 7 does not support memory card (ZU can take 128GB)
ME572CL has locked (not unlockable) bootloader
Don't forget Z Ultra can be used as phone when needed.
Xperia Z Ultra is great in terms of build quality and speed.
But if you are looking into alternatives, if you just want tablet (not phone) you may look at Asus or Lenovo line of products.
Also, you may look at Motorola Nexus 6. Now that new Nexus phones are announced previous Nexus prices are dropping. It is a great phone, large screen, and with the Android 6.0 it works better than before (according to several user feedbacks).
Good Luck!
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Xperia Z Ultra is great in terms of build quality and speed.
But if you are looking into alternatives, if you just want tablet (not phone) you may look at Asus or Lenovo line of products.
Also, you may look at Motorola Nexus 6. Now that new Nexus phones are announced previous Nexus prices are dropping. It is a great phone, large screen, and with the Android 6.0 it works better than before (according to several user feedbacks).
Good Luck!
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Be aware the Intel X3 based tablet is NOT rootable, and the performance is poor (only 7000 Quadrant).
My beloved Z Ultra died two weeks ago and I’m still inconsolable. So I looked at what Sony has to offer presently and the XA Ultra with its 6.0” screen seemed like the closest thing to it. Well, let’s just say the XA Ultra has done little to alleviate my pain and sorrow.
If any Z Ultra owner is considering the XA Ultra, I poster a review here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xa-ultra/how-to/xa-ultra-impressions-t3468894
Interesting review. It verifies what I suspected and essentially knew when the XA Ultra came out: It just can't replace a Z Ultra.
Anyone looking for a replacement should consider the Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra, Huawei/Honor Note 8, Lenovo Phab2 Pro or the Xiaomi Mi Max. They are proper 'Ultra replacements' and should be on the shortlist.
It won't ever give anymore a Sony Phone which can replace a Z Ultra fully
The Z Ultra idea came from Sony to do something very revolutionary, this wasn't 100% perfect executed by Sony on Z Ultra like the just 3000mAh battery or the bad cam so it became a flop
So it's understandable that Sony does do these Ultras for the special people but that's not their main target phone
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Interesting some people who haven't used an XA Ultra writing it off, having never tried it... XA Ultra is what it is, a midrange 6" phone, so will never compete with what the Z Ultra was at release. But for today, with the options available, if you want worldwide LTE, it's one of the best options and presents many improvements over the Z Ultra. The alternatives mentioned above are so far either not delivered or don't deliver usable LTE for large parts of the world.
I really wonder when 'LTE' became the most important aspect of a device, more important than anything else such as hardware etc?
It sounds like 'LTE' is so important that it makes up for a MediaTek Helio P10 with Snapdragon 800 level performance and hardware that isn't a too much of an 'upgrade' from the Ultra, beside the camera.
The XA Ultra is very easy to dismiss just by looking at what it offers:
1. Smaller display size than the Ultra (itself a dealbreaker).
2. Similar CPU performance (i.e. no step forward since 2013...).
3. MediaTek (forget about ROMs and the Open Devices program).
4. Lower build quality than the Ultra.
5. Low storage and RAM for a 2016 device.
6. Price is similar to more powerful devices from other brands.
Pluses would be 'official Marshmallow' (I don't consider that too much of a benefit in a world of ROMs) and far better camera than the Ultra. The rest? So-so.
A device such as the Xiaomi Mi Max or Huawei/Honor Note 8 or Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra and the Lenovo Phab2 Pro offer substantial improvements on all areas in comparison with the Ultra and is the natural choice for anyone looking for a replacement.
Getting the XA Ultra over any of those, using the 'LTE argument' is downright silly actually. Even if another device would only get EDGE data I would take it over the XA Ultra as long as the rest is top-notch and then solve the connectivity in a different way.
I just can't see how LTE can 'compensate' the MediaTek Helio P10, smaller screen, lesser build quality, low amount of storage and RAM etc and the pricetag.... If LTE is that critical I rather buy the Xperia XZ. Far more powerful than the XA Ultra and the screen size doesn't matter, it is a downgrade anyway. I would also rather pick up the Z3TC SGP621 over the XA Ultra.
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I really wonder when 'LTE' became the most important aspect of a device, more important than anything else such as hardware etc?
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Yet again, you assume that just because a feature is less important to you, it's less important to everyone else. Fast data is the most important feature of a phone to me. I also want a big screen. Would prefer 6.4, and would prefer latest Snapdragon, but of course those things aren't all available right now on one phone.
It's patently clear you haven't used the phone if you don't think the hardware is an upgrade, perhaps you should try one out first? Note that camera isn't the only clear upgrade for XA over Z.
I also love the fact that your "Getting the XA Ultra over any of those" argument includes two phones that aren't available yet.
I have fast HSPA+ here and haven't noticed any problems with HD streaming (YouTube etc) due to any particular 'slowness' of the connection. I typically reach around 15-16 Mbit/s HSPA+ and that is also why I can accept some 'compromise' on the LTE side of things in exchange for a better device.
The optimum device has 20-40 LTE bands, obviously (it would be the best solution since it would cover everything) but the reality is different. Just skipping devices due to LTE bands when no other options are available (I don't consider 'keep using the Ultra' as the best option anymore).
I fully agree that the best solution is a lot of LTE bands, Snapdragon 8xx and a 6.44-7" display with a lot of RAM and storage. As it is now, those things aren't available (yet) and compromises has to be made.
My key priorities are certainly powerful hardware, 6.44-7" display and excellent battery life (8-13 hours SOT as an upgrade from the Ultra 5-6 hours SOT). The XA Ultra is just not even close to be an interesting 'upgrade' and this Amazon link says it all:
https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Xperia-...id=1466713400&sr=8-6&keywords=xperia+xa+ultra
For $329 I can buy the XA Ultra with 3GB RAM (same as the Z3TC in 2014), 16GB storage (same as the Ultra in 2013), 2700 mAh battery (smaller than the 3000 mAh in the Ultra) and a MediaTek Helio P10 offering similar performance as the Snapdragon 800. Yes, the XA Ultra has seriously improved cameras and it can also be argued that it has Marshmallow out of the box (an improvement over 5.1.1 in the Ultra).
It doesn't participate in the Open Devices Program, though (thanks, MediaTek) and even if its stock ROM is 'faster' than the Ultra 5.1.1 - the Ultra has no problem keeping up using something like PAC, Sony Concept ROM or one of the MM or Nougat builds. So buying the XA Ultra because the stock ROM is 'faster' isn't a too good idea.
For approximately $330-344 I can buy a Xiaomi Mi Max offering substantial upgrades in comparison with the XA Ultra and the Ultra:
4GB RAM (3GB in the XA Ultra, 2GB Ultra), 128GB storage (16GB XA Ultra and Ultra), Snapdragon 652 (80K AnTuTu in comparison with the 40-45K of the XA Ultra and Ultra), same display size as the XZU and 0.44" bigger than the XA Ultra and so forth. Its battery is 4850 mAh compared to 2700 (XA Ultra) and 3000 (Ultra).
The only thing the XA Ultra has to offer is.... LTE and a camera that seems to be good. 'It runs Marshmallow' or 'the Sony ROM has a lot of improvements over Ultra 5.1.1' doesn't sound like compelling reasons to buy it.
Buying the XA Ultra as an 'upgrade' from the Ultra, citing 'LTE frequencies' as a reason why it becomes 'better' than a device with way more powerful hardware isn't a particularly good idea.
I just don't see how the XA Ultra can be something worth buying when comparing with the competitors. If we accept downgrading the display size, then a lot of options are available around the price point of $330 and they are way more powerful (a Snapdragon 820 can be fitted if the budget is stretched a couple of tens).
Making a statement such as 'the XA Ultra beats the Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra, Huawei/Honor Note 8, Lenovo Phab2 Pro and Xiaomi Mi Max because it has LTE bands x, y and z' sounds really... backwards. It is like arguing that 'this computer with Intel Celeron and Intel HD4000 beats this powerful gaming rig because it is connected to a 100 Mbit/s broadband line while the gaming rig has a 10 Mbit/s line....
I always compare with competitors and I am just unable to see any reason to buy the XA Ultra in comparison with the other options. Buying it because.... it is a Sony Xperia and it has LTE frequency x, y and z just doesn't feel particularly logical.
If Sony give as a proper XZU successor (Snapdragon 821 or faster, 4-8GB RAM, 64-128GB storage, 4500-500 mAh battery, 2K 6.44" display, XZ camera, microSD or UFS card slot and so on I will be all over it. But getting the XA Ultra 'instead' because of LTE and 'it is what Sony offers' rather than switching brands (until Sony get their acts together) isn't logical either, I am afraid.
Hell, how many words do you need to say you don't really like that phone (the one that you've never used)? A full page of mostly nonsense, basically: happy to step back 5 years on data speeds, not happy to lose 0.4" of screen; but if you are losing 0.4", you may as well lose 1.2". Laughable. I hope you're happy with your cheap phone, it works for you and the trade-offs you're happy to make, but there's no need for lengthy tedious diatribes on why everyone else is wrong.
Making a statement such as 'the XA Ultra beats the Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra, Huawei/Honor Note 8, Lenovo Phab2 Pro and Xiaomi Mi Max because it has LTE bands x, y and z'
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No-one apart from you has spouted this idiocy. We all have preferences.
Edit: and no-one knows what would beat the Asus or Lenovo, because so far they are imaginary.
Buying the XA Ultra as an 'upgrade' from the Ultra, citing 'LTE frequencies' as a reason why it becomes 'better' than a device with way more powerful hardware
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You want to tell me where the Z Ultra has "way more powerful hardware?" Again, as a non-user of the XA Ultra? It has a slightly bigger screen and a slightly bigger battery. Way more powerful?
The Xiaomi Mi Max is a serious upgrade from the Ultra - especially the 4/128 version. It is simply a better choice than the XA Ultra for those looking for a replacement.
Double the amount of RAM (in comparison with the Ultra).
Decent CPU upgrade (from 40-46K AnTuTu to 80K AnTuTu).
Same display size (wider brightness range).
Way more storage (128GB instead of 16GB).
Excellent battery life (12-13 hours SOT in comparison with 5-6 hours SOT).
So in what way is the XA Ultra a 'better' upgrade path for an Ultra owner than the Mi Max and the other options?
Asus has started deliveries of the Zenfone 3 Ultra and it is another interesting upgrade.
The XA Ultra is simply a disappointing device from Sony and they could do way better. Making a 'XZ Ultra' - i.e. a 6" version of the XZ would be a way better approach.
It is also interesting with attempts to defend the XA Ultra, especially in comparison with a device such as the Mi Max considering the MediaTek CPU and everything. There are absolutely nothing 'premium' about it and trying to use arguments such as 'enjoy your cheap phone' when defending the XA Ultra doesn't sound particularly right.
Edit: The statement of 'way more powerful hardware' referred to the Mi Max and the other new phablets.
I would like to ask you this simple question:
In what ways are the Mi Max (and the other options) NOT a good upgrade from the XZU - while the XA Ultra is?
My Mi Max is doing everything my Ultra does, it has all strong points of the XZU and it improves on the weak ones (RAM, storage, camera, adds fingerprint scanner and provide a decent CPU speed boost). What 'trade-offs' do you see with the Mi Max?
Yep, sure, those phones are way better for running Antutu, knock yourself out with that. What you can't seem to get through your head (I suspect you never will), is that this is a phone and mobile data device. The fact that it gets better scores doesn't matter at all. The fact that it doesn't have decent data speeds does. To me. Yeah, you're impressed by different brands of chips and scores, enjoy. I won't hamstring myself with crap data on a mobile device. That's why it's better. For me and others.
You appear unable to grasp that not everyone wants the same thing from their phone that you do. It's like conversing with an infant.
Asus has started deliveries of the Zenfone 3 Ultra
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Where? Not the US or the UK. I've only had one Asus phone, it was awful and only lasted a few months, but maybe they've improved.
A phablet should fulfill the following requirements in order to be a worthwhile upgrade from the XZU:
1. Faster CPU/GPU
2. Increased RAM (4GB or more)
3. Increased storage (32GB or more)
4. Similar screen size (or slightly bigger - up to 7")
5. Run a newer Android version out of the box (6.x, 7.x)
6. Decent developer support and ROMs such as AICP, RR or the Sony Concept ROM etc.
7. Adequate cellular connectivity (HSPA+ minimum, LTE good to have)
8. Improved battery life (8 hours or more SOT, heavy use)
9. MicroSD or UFS for expandable storage
10. Adequate camera (i.e. better than the XZU pretty atrocious unit)
I.e: An 'Ultra II' simply put - offering the same basic properties as the XZU while improving the weaknesses (especially RAM and storage).
The Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra, Huawei/Honor Note 8, Lenovo Phab2 Pro and Xiaomi Mi Max fulfill those requirements - albeit with some question marks surrounding ROM development for the Kirin (Huawei).
All four are decent upgrades from the XZU, offering the same basic properties, while improving on the weaknesses.
I have never experienced a 'speed problem' with my C6802 - it typically provide stable 15-16 Mbit/s download speeds and even if my C6833 is faster I have no problem with downloading files, doing HD streaming etc on such a speed. When I use data plans with 2GB caps, speed doesn't exactly matter for the simple reason that you don't do heavy use on such a limited plan anyway. When I have my unlimited data SIM in, getting a stable 15-16 Mbit/s over HSPA+ is.... good enough even for HD streaming.
Having a fast CPU, more RAM, more storage and so on brings tangible benefits and especially the storage part was an issue on the Ultra. Hardware when paired with a decent ROM is simply the key aspects of a device - LTE just can't make up for 16GB of storage or a MediaTek Helio P10.
I buy devices as 'mobile computers' and prioritize hardware and software (the latter is a matter of custom ROMs, I just don't care for stock ROMs). The XZU is an excellent mobile computer and the Xiaomi Mi Max is even better because it keeps all strengths of the Ultra down to the RR ROM and pairs them with improvement of the weaknesses.
The XA Ultra has some extra LTE bands, yes - but is a weak performer in all other areas, especially storage and CPU. And those two areas matters - not because of AnTuTu but because of more demanding apps and games coming out. It is reasonable to expect serious improvements in performance on a device three years newer than the one being replaced.
Even better would be Snapdragon 820, 821 or the upcoming '830'. Less than a 650? Not good enough simply put. Same with the storage - 16GB has been small on the XZU, buying a new device with the same internal storage makes no sense - my storage problem would continue. Using the microSD as a 'solution' (i.e. moving appdata) isn't optimum in 2016 when there are several devices with 32-256GB internal PLUS microSD.
The Xiaomi Mi Max is simply an excellent Ultra replacement.
I give up. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it think.
I just wanted to say that unfortunately my screen broke and it became unresponsive to touch so I was contemplating on other phones but I couldn't find a z ultra replacement I thought of the Asus Zen 3 ultra but it is too extensive so I bought me another z ultra to replace my broken z ultra there's no other like it
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It's not necessary to think too much in order to realize this simple fact: XA Ultra isn't a proper XZU replacement compared to other alternatives including the XZU itself.
You would need to develop that capability first.
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I just wanted to say that unfortunately my screen broke and it became unresponsive to touch so I was contemplating on other phones but I couldn't find a z ultra replacement I thought of the Asus Zen 3 ultra but it is too extensive so I bought me another z ultra to replace my broken z ultra there's no other like it
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The XZU is still a beast so great choice. It seems like Asus is starting to drop prices for the Zenfone 3 Ultra in comparison with some of the sky high ones listed before ($699).
Let's hope there will be a 8xx based 6.44-7" phablet next year - preferably sharing hardware with a flagship as well (lower development cost).
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Perhaps you could describe the thought process leading up to the conclusion that the XA Ultra is a 'better' XZU replacement than other options... I still see a 16GB MediaTek device there.
Edit: Or is the XA Ultra a better device because of:
1. It's a Sony
2. It has LTE 800/900 etc
3. It runs Sony stock Marshmallow
4. The camera is better than [insert device]
It is a bit hard to claim that the XA Ultra has great hardware or performance paired with excellent storage - thus making it a great upgrade path for XZU owners....
Well I did think hard on that asus zen 3 ultra, but the quality, brand and looks of the z ultra it's what brought me back to it. I know that's it's getting old on it's hardware but still capable for the most task at hand besides that price it's also affordable compare to the zen 3 ultra, may be some day there will be a xperia z ultra replacement. I was hopping on the xa ultra but what a dissepiment from Sony their loss my z ultra.
I've hung around for ages waiting for a decent z ultra from Sony,but it seems unlikely now that it will ever happen.So I took a deep breath and looked at the competition,and it seemed to come down to the mi max or the honour note 8.Went with the honour note 8 mainly because of the better specs and also the superior screen.Was pondering waiting for the lenovo phab pro,but I'm glad I went for the note 8,the Kenobi looks a bit chunky width wise.Aesthetically the old Sony wins out.And I lose waterproofing/NFC and 4g on my particular network 02,apart from that,the note 8 really is a huge upgrade on the Sony.Camera,2k amoled screen,ram,storage,fast charging etc etc.So far-so happy!
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I just wanted to say that unfortunately my screen broke and it became unresponsive to touch so I was contemplating on other phones but I couldn't find a z ultra replacement I thought of the Asus Zen 3 ultra but it is too extensive so I bought me another z ultra to replace my broken z ultra there's no other like it
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I have a 6806 and a 6833, both with broken displays. I decided to buy a display assemly which cost 45€ and another 45€ to have it fitted. With less than 100€ I now have the c6806 working again which I will use in the americas for the LTE bands used on that side of the world. I was sad to see handset like the ZU setting in a box not working. I do love this phone and I'm very happy to have invested on a new dispaly . You certainly are not going to get a phone for less than 100€ with those specs...:good:
The Zenfone 3 Ultra would be a worthy replacement for the Sony XZU. Looking at the xda forum for it, but there's currently no bootloader unlock, and not even root. The honor note 8 has root and bootloader unlock, but you do need to put some effort in to tweak and tune it to make it work well.
The Xiaomi mi max has a fairly active hacking community, so I think that's the best choice to replace our much loved Sony
I didn't mention the Lenovo, because supplies dried up and was only on sale in USA.