My beloved Z Ultra died two weeks ago and I’m still inconsolable. So I looked at what Sony has to offer presently and the XA Ultra with its 6.0” screen seemed like the closest thing to it. Well, let’s just say the XA Ultra has done little to alleviate my pain and sorrow.
If any Z Ultra owner is considering the XA Ultra, I poster a review here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xa-ultra/how-to/xa-ultra-impressions-t3468894
Interesting review. It verifies what I suspected and essentially knew when the XA Ultra came out: It just can't replace a Z Ultra.
Anyone looking for a replacement should consider the Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra, Huawei/Honor Note 8, Lenovo Phab2 Pro or the Xiaomi Mi Max. They are proper 'Ultra replacements' and should be on the shortlist.
It won't ever give anymore a Sony Phone which can replace a Z Ultra fully
The Z Ultra idea came from Sony to do something very revolutionary, this wasn't 100% perfect executed by Sony on Z Ultra like the just 3000mAh battery or the bad cam so it became a flop
So it's understandable that Sony does do these Ultras for the special people but that's not their main target phone
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Interesting some people who haven't used an XA Ultra writing it off, having never tried it... XA Ultra is what it is, a midrange 6" phone, so will never compete with what the Z Ultra was at release. But for today, with the options available, if you want worldwide LTE, it's one of the best options and presents many improvements over the Z Ultra. The alternatives mentioned above are so far either not delivered or don't deliver usable LTE for large parts of the world.
I really wonder when 'LTE' became the most important aspect of a device, more important than anything else such as hardware etc?
It sounds like 'LTE' is so important that it makes up for a MediaTek Helio P10 with Snapdragon 800 level performance and hardware that isn't a too much of an 'upgrade' from the Ultra, beside the camera.
The XA Ultra is very easy to dismiss just by looking at what it offers:
1. Smaller display size than the Ultra (itself a dealbreaker).
2. Similar CPU performance (i.e. no step forward since 2013...).
3. MediaTek (forget about ROMs and the Open Devices program).
4. Lower build quality than the Ultra.
5. Low storage and RAM for a 2016 device.
6. Price is similar to more powerful devices from other brands.
Pluses would be 'official Marshmallow' (I don't consider that too much of a benefit in a world of ROMs) and far better camera than the Ultra. The rest? So-so.
A device such as the Xiaomi Mi Max or Huawei/Honor Note 8 or Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra and the Lenovo Phab2 Pro offer substantial improvements on all areas in comparison with the Ultra and is the natural choice for anyone looking for a replacement.
Getting the XA Ultra over any of those, using the 'LTE argument' is downright silly actually. Even if another device would only get EDGE data I would take it over the XA Ultra as long as the rest is top-notch and then solve the connectivity in a different way.
I just can't see how LTE can 'compensate' the MediaTek Helio P10, smaller screen, lesser build quality, low amount of storage and RAM etc and the pricetag.... If LTE is that critical I rather buy the Xperia XZ. Far more powerful than the XA Ultra and the screen size doesn't matter, it is a downgrade anyway. I would also rather pick up the Z3TC SGP621 over the XA Ultra.
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I really wonder when 'LTE' became the most important aspect of a device, more important than anything else such as hardware etc?
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Yet again, you assume that just because a feature is less important to you, it's less important to everyone else. Fast data is the most important feature of a phone to me. I also want a big screen. Would prefer 6.4, and would prefer latest Snapdragon, but of course those things aren't all available right now on one phone.
It's patently clear you haven't used the phone if you don't think the hardware is an upgrade, perhaps you should try one out first? Note that camera isn't the only clear upgrade for XA over Z.
I also love the fact that your "Getting the XA Ultra over any of those" argument includes two phones that aren't available yet.
I have fast HSPA+ here and haven't noticed any problems with HD streaming (YouTube etc) due to any particular 'slowness' of the connection. I typically reach around 15-16 Mbit/s HSPA+ and that is also why I can accept some 'compromise' on the LTE side of things in exchange for a better device.
The optimum device has 20-40 LTE bands, obviously (it would be the best solution since it would cover everything) but the reality is different. Just skipping devices due to LTE bands when no other options are available (I don't consider 'keep using the Ultra' as the best option anymore).
I fully agree that the best solution is a lot of LTE bands, Snapdragon 8xx and a 6.44-7" display with a lot of RAM and storage. As it is now, those things aren't available (yet) and compromises has to be made.
My key priorities are certainly powerful hardware, 6.44-7" display and excellent battery life (8-13 hours SOT as an upgrade from the Ultra 5-6 hours SOT). The XA Ultra is just not even close to be an interesting 'upgrade' and this Amazon link says it all:
https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Xperia-...id=1466713400&sr=8-6&keywords=xperia+xa+ultra
For $329 I can buy the XA Ultra with 3GB RAM (same as the Z3TC in 2014), 16GB storage (same as the Ultra in 2013), 2700 mAh battery (smaller than the 3000 mAh in the Ultra) and a MediaTek Helio P10 offering similar performance as the Snapdragon 800. Yes, the XA Ultra has seriously improved cameras and it can also be argued that it has Marshmallow out of the box (an improvement over 5.1.1 in the Ultra).
It doesn't participate in the Open Devices Program, though (thanks, MediaTek) and even if its stock ROM is 'faster' than the Ultra 5.1.1 - the Ultra has no problem keeping up using something like PAC, Sony Concept ROM or one of the MM or Nougat builds. So buying the XA Ultra because the stock ROM is 'faster' isn't a too good idea.
For approximately $330-344 I can buy a Xiaomi Mi Max offering substantial upgrades in comparison with the XA Ultra and the Ultra:
4GB RAM (3GB in the XA Ultra, 2GB Ultra), 128GB storage (16GB XA Ultra and Ultra), Snapdragon 652 (80K AnTuTu in comparison with the 40-45K of the XA Ultra and Ultra), same display size as the XZU and 0.44" bigger than the XA Ultra and so forth. Its battery is 4850 mAh compared to 2700 (XA Ultra) and 3000 (Ultra).
The only thing the XA Ultra has to offer is.... LTE and a camera that seems to be good. 'It runs Marshmallow' or 'the Sony ROM has a lot of improvements over Ultra 5.1.1' doesn't sound like compelling reasons to buy it.
Buying the XA Ultra as an 'upgrade' from the Ultra, citing 'LTE frequencies' as a reason why it becomes 'better' than a device with way more powerful hardware isn't a particularly good idea.
I just don't see how the XA Ultra can be something worth buying when comparing with the competitors. If we accept downgrading the display size, then a lot of options are available around the price point of $330 and they are way more powerful (a Snapdragon 820 can be fitted if the budget is stretched a couple of tens).
Making a statement such as 'the XA Ultra beats the Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra, Huawei/Honor Note 8, Lenovo Phab2 Pro and Xiaomi Mi Max because it has LTE bands x, y and z' sounds really... backwards. It is like arguing that 'this computer with Intel Celeron and Intel HD4000 beats this powerful gaming rig because it is connected to a 100 Mbit/s broadband line while the gaming rig has a 10 Mbit/s line....
I always compare with competitors and I am just unable to see any reason to buy the XA Ultra in comparison with the other options. Buying it because.... it is a Sony Xperia and it has LTE frequency x, y and z just doesn't feel particularly logical.
If Sony give as a proper XZU successor (Snapdragon 821 or faster, 4-8GB RAM, 64-128GB storage, 4500-500 mAh battery, 2K 6.44" display, XZ camera, microSD or UFS card slot and so on I will be all over it. But getting the XA Ultra 'instead' because of LTE and 'it is what Sony offers' rather than switching brands (until Sony get their acts together) isn't logical either, I am afraid.
Hell, how many words do you need to say you don't really like that phone (the one that you've never used)? A full page of mostly nonsense, basically: happy to step back 5 years on data speeds, not happy to lose 0.4" of screen; but if you are losing 0.4", you may as well lose 1.2". Laughable. I hope you're happy with your cheap phone, it works for you and the trade-offs you're happy to make, but there's no need for lengthy tedious diatribes on why everyone else is wrong.
Making a statement such as 'the XA Ultra beats the Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra, Huawei/Honor Note 8, Lenovo Phab2 Pro and Xiaomi Mi Max because it has LTE bands x, y and z'
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No-one apart from you has spouted this idiocy. We all have preferences.
Edit: and no-one knows what would beat the Asus or Lenovo, because so far they are imaginary.
Buying the XA Ultra as an 'upgrade' from the Ultra, citing 'LTE frequencies' as a reason why it becomes 'better' than a device with way more powerful hardware
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You want to tell me where the Z Ultra has "way more powerful hardware?" Again, as a non-user of the XA Ultra? It has a slightly bigger screen and a slightly bigger battery. Way more powerful?
The Xiaomi Mi Max is a serious upgrade from the Ultra - especially the 4/128 version. It is simply a better choice than the XA Ultra for those looking for a replacement.
Double the amount of RAM (in comparison with the Ultra).
Decent CPU upgrade (from 40-46K AnTuTu to 80K AnTuTu).
Same display size (wider brightness range).
Way more storage (128GB instead of 16GB).
Excellent battery life (12-13 hours SOT in comparison with 5-6 hours SOT).
So in what way is the XA Ultra a 'better' upgrade path for an Ultra owner than the Mi Max and the other options?
Asus has started deliveries of the Zenfone 3 Ultra and it is another interesting upgrade.
The XA Ultra is simply a disappointing device from Sony and they could do way better. Making a 'XZ Ultra' - i.e. a 6" version of the XZ would be a way better approach.
It is also interesting with attempts to defend the XA Ultra, especially in comparison with a device such as the Mi Max considering the MediaTek CPU and everything. There are absolutely nothing 'premium' about it and trying to use arguments such as 'enjoy your cheap phone' when defending the XA Ultra doesn't sound particularly right.
Edit: The statement of 'way more powerful hardware' referred to the Mi Max and the other new phablets.
I would like to ask you this simple question:
In what ways are the Mi Max (and the other options) NOT a good upgrade from the XZU - while the XA Ultra is?
My Mi Max is doing everything my Ultra does, it has all strong points of the XZU and it improves on the weak ones (RAM, storage, camera, adds fingerprint scanner and provide a decent CPU speed boost). What 'trade-offs' do you see with the Mi Max?
Yep, sure, those phones are way better for running Antutu, knock yourself out with that. What you can't seem to get through your head (I suspect you never will), is that this is a phone and mobile data device. The fact that it gets better scores doesn't matter at all. The fact that it doesn't have decent data speeds does. To me. Yeah, you're impressed by different brands of chips and scores, enjoy. I won't hamstring myself with crap data on a mobile device. That's why it's better. For me and others.
You appear unable to grasp that not everyone wants the same thing from their phone that you do. It's like conversing with an infant.
Asus has started deliveries of the Zenfone 3 Ultra
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Where? Not the US or the UK. I've only had one Asus phone, it was awful and only lasted a few months, but maybe they've improved.
A phablet should fulfill the following requirements in order to be a worthwhile upgrade from the XZU:
1. Faster CPU/GPU
2. Increased RAM (4GB or more)
3. Increased storage (32GB or more)
4. Similar screen size (or slightly bigger - up to 7")
5. Run a newer Android version out of the box (6.x, 7.x)
6. Decent developer support and ROMs such as AICP, RR or the Sony Concept ROM etc.
7. Adequate cellular connectivity (HSPA+ minimum, LTE good to have)
8. Improved battery life (8 hours or more SOT, heavy use)
9. MicroSD or UFS for expandable storage
10. Adequate camera (i.e. better than the XZU pretty atrocious unit)
I.e: An 'Ultra II' simply put - offering the same basic properties as the XZU while improving the weaknesses (especially RAM and storage).
The Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra, Huawei/Honor Note 8, Lenovo Phab2 Pro and Xiaomi Mi Max fulfill those requirements - albeit with some question marks surrounding ROM development for the Kirin (Huawei).
All four are decent upgrades from the XZU, offering the same basic properties, while improving on the weaknesses.
I have never experienced a 'speed problem' with my C6802 - it typically provide stable 15-16 Mbit/s download speeds and even if my C6833 is faster I have no problem with downloading files, doing HD streaming etc on such a speed. When I use data plans with 2GB caps, speed doesn't exactly matter for the simple reason that you don't do heavy use on such a limited plan anyway. When I have my unlimited data SIM in, getting a stable 15-16 Mbit/s over HSPA+ is.... good enough even for HD streaming.
Having a fast CPU, more RAM, more storage and so on brings tangible benefits and especially the storage part was an issue on the Ultra. Hardware when paired with a decent ROM is simply the key aspects of a device - LTE just can't make up for 16GB of storage or a MediaTek Helio P10.
I buy devices as 'mobile computers' and prioritize hardware and software (the latter is a matter of custom ROMs, I just don't care for stock ROMs). The XZU is an excellent mobile computer and the Xiaomi Mi Max is even better because it keeps all strengths of the Ultra down to the RR ROM and pairs them with improvement of the weaknesses.
The XA Ultra has some extra LTE bands, yes - but is a weak performer in all other areas, especially storage and CPU. And those two areas matters - not because of AnTuTu but because of more demanding apps and games coming out. It is reasonable to expect serious improvements in performance on a device three years newer than the one being replaced.
Even better would be Snapdragon 820, 821 or the upcoming '830'. Less than a 650? Not good enough simply put. Same with the storage - 16GB has been small on the XZU, buying a new device with the same internal storage makes no sense - my storage problem would continue. Using the microSD as a 'solution' (i.e. moving appdata) isn't optimum in 2016 when there are several devices with 32-256GB internal PLUS microSD.
The Xiaomi Mi Max is simply an excellent Ultra replacement.
I give up. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it think.
I just wanted to say that unfortunately my screen broke and it became unresponsive to touch so I was contemplating on other phones but I couldn't find a z ultra replacement I thought of the Asus Zen 3 ultra but it is too extensive so I bought me another z ultra to replace my broken z ultra there's no other like it
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It's not necessary to think too much in order to realize this simple fact: XA Ultra isn't a proper XZU replacement compared to other alternatives including the XZU itself.
You would need to develop that capability first.
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I just wanted to say that unfortunately my screen broke and it became unresponsive to touch so I was contemplating on other phones but I couldn't find a z ultra replacement I thought of the Asus Zen 3 ultra but it is too extensive so I bought me another z ultra to replace my broken z ultra there's no other like it
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The XZU is still a beast so great choice. It seems like Asus is starting to drop prices for the Zenfone 3 Ultra in comparison with some of the sky high ones listed before ($699).
Let's hope there will be a 8xx based 6.44-7" phablet next year - preferably sharing hardware with a flagship as well (lower development cost).
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Perhaps you could describe the thought process leading up to the conclusion that the XA Ultra is a 'better' XZU replacement than other options... I still see a 16GB MediaTek device there.
Edit: Or is the XA Ultra a better device because of:
1. It's a Sony
2. It has LTE 800/900 etc
3. It runs Sony stock Marshmallow
4. The camera is better than [insert device]
It is a bit hard to claim that the XA Ultra has great hardware or performance paired with excellent storage - thus making it a great upgrade path for XZU owners....
Well I did think hard on that asus zen 3 ultra, but the quality, brand and looks of the z ultra it's what brought me back to it. I know that's it's getting old on it's hardware but still capable for the most task at hand besides that price it's also affordable compare to the zen 3 ultra, may be some day there will be a xperia z ultra replacement. I was hopping on the xa ultra but what a dissepiment from Sony their loss my z ultra.
I've hung around for ages waiting for a decent z ultra from Sony,but it seems unlikely now that it will ever happen.So I took a deep breath and looked at the competition,and it seemed to come down to the mi max or the honour note 8.Went with the honour note 8 mainly because of the better specs and also the superior screen.Was pondering waiting for the lenovo phab pro,but I'm glad I went for the note 8,the Kenobi looks a bit chunky width wise.Aesthetically the old Sony wins out.And I lose waterproofing/NFC and 4g on my particular network 02,apart from that,the note 8 really is a huge upgrade on the Sony.Camera,2k amoled screen,ram,storage,fast charging etc etc.So far-so happy!
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I just wanted to say that unfortunately my screen broke and it became unresponsive to touch so I was contemplating on other phones but I couldn't find a z ultra replacement I thought of the Asus Zen 3 ultra but it is too extensive so I bought me another z ultra to replace my broken z ultra there's no other like it
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I have a 6806 and a 6833, both with broken displays. I decided to buy a display assemly which cost 45€ and another 45€ to have it fitted. With less than 100€ I now have the c6806 working again which I will use in the americas for the LTE bands used on that side of the world. I was sad to see handset like the ZU setting in a box not working. I do love this phone and I'm very happy to have invested on a new dispaly . You certainly are not going to get a phone for less than 100€ with those specs...:good:
The Zenfone 3 Ultra would be a worthy replacement for the Sony XZU. Looking at the xda forum for it, but there's currently no bootloader unlock, and not even root. The honor note 8 has root and bootloader unlock, but you do need to put some effort in to tweak and tune it to make it work well.
The Xiaomi mi max has a fairly active hacking community, so I think that's the best choice to replace our much loved Sony
I didn't mention the Lenovo, because supplies dried up and was only on sale in USA.
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As an avid user of the XZU, I have been frustrated with the lack of a flash on he XZU and today I read the news that the ZTE Nubia X6 is finally available. Whilst I love using my XZU with the GPe ROM, I find it really annoying to see the camera ruin my pictures in low light. On the other hand, the ZTE Nubia X6 appears to be everything I ever wanted from a phone/XZU. It has the following key features;
-6.44" Full HD Display
-Snapdragon 801 MSM8974AB Quad Core 2.3GHz and 2 Other variants available as Options
-2-3GB RAM Depending on the model selected -3 models available
-32-128GB Internal Memory
-MicroSD Slot [Still trying to confirm-I really hope it is correct]
-13Mp Front and 13Mp Rear Camera with DUAL FLASH
-Dual Stereo Dolby Optimised Speakers
-DUAL SIM with Dual Standby
-HDMI Port
-4250mAh Battery and Removable Battery Cover (I guess NO waterproofing)
-----Check out full specs here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/zte_nubia_x6-6236.php
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http://www.ainol-novo.com/nubia-x6-...reen-android-smart-phone-ram-2gb-nfc-gps.html
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-----Comparison between XZU and Nubia X6 can be found here:
http://www.phonebunch.com/compare-phones/sony_xperia_z_ultra-957-vs-zte_nubia_x6-1438
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-----YouTube Video here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVo9fAXbqqQ
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The more I read about this phone , the more I get excited. So what do you think? Is it time we shop around or wait and see what Sony has in store with the XZU 2 in September or ditch all and perhaps look at Samsung Galaxy Note 4?
Also, could one of our XDA-Dev forum users confirm for sure if the LTE bands used are Europe compatible or not? I am getting conflicting information so any confirmation from Chinese speaking users would be even more welcome. Thanks and enjoy the conversation!
The specs looks okay, but I won't think about buying anything until I see the ZU2 (if it exists), and if it gets released this summer, I'm not sure if I want to get it. The Ultra is still a top speced device, so a tiny boost in GHz and RAM won't impress me at all this time.
- Last year: We went from S600 to S800 in flagships. Huge boost. 1080p also got widespread in flagships.
- This year: We've gone from S800 to S805. Minimal boost. 1080p is still the norm. An extra gig of RAM if you're lucky.
- Next year: We'll go from S805 to S810. Huge boost. 64bit. Adreno 430. We'll most likely see more of the QHD (2560x1440) displays.
that certainly looks like a very nice looking phone...
china-only, at this point it seems.... however the question is, how easy will dev support be with this? custom roms, etc..
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The specs looks okay, but I won't think about buying anything until I see the ZU2 (if it exists), and if it gets released this summer, I'm not sure if I want to get it. The Ultra is still a top speced device, so a tiny boost in GHz and RAM won't impress me at all this time.
- Last year: We went from S600 to S800 in flagships. Huge boost. 1080p also got widespread in flagships.
- This year: We've gone from S800 to S805. Minimal boost. 1080p is still the norm. An extra gig of RAM if you're lucky.
- Next year: We'll go from S805 to S810. Huge boost. 64bit. Adreno 430. We'll most likely see more of the QHD (2560x1440) displays.
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The only thing that I see is a huge noticeable difference is the camera. Probably won't feel the difference in ram and CPU. I agree with others hold out.
I would not replace the Ultra because of the camera. A better option is to get a Sony DSC-QX10 or QX100 of the simple reason that they deliver VERY decent pictures. I am very happy with my QX10 and it got me completely "over" the lusting for a device with a "better" camera.
As it is today, I would not replace the Ultra with another device since the most interesting development will be the Snapdragon 810 - I don't think we will see it before Ultra 3 (I would guess the Ultra 2 will have the 805 considering the timing).
A QX10 and a new 128 GB microSDXC card and you are all set.:victory:
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I would not replace the Ultra because of the camera. A better option is to get a Sony DSC-QX10 or QX100 of the simple reason that they deliver VERY decent pictures. I am very happy with my QX10 and it got me completely "over" the lusting for a device with a "better" camera.
As it is today, I would not replace the Ultra with another device since the most interesting development will be the Snapdragon 810 - I don't think we will see it before Ultra 3 (I would guess the Ultra 2 will have the 805 considering the timing).
A QX10 and a new 128 GB microSDXC card and you are all set.:victory:
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And let's not forget that if you get the QX10 now, you can also use it with a different phone down the road, so you'll always have a great camera.
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I would not replace the Ultra because of the camera. A better option is to get a Sony DSC-QX10 or QX100 of the simple reason that they deliver VERY decent pictures. I am very happy with my QX10 and it got me completely "over" the lusting for a device with a "better" camera.
As it is today, I would not replace the Ultra with another device since the most interesting development will be the Snapdragon 810 - I don't think we will see it before Ultra 3 (I would guess the Ultra 2 will have the 805 considering the timing).
A QX10 and a new 128 GB microSDXC card and you are all set.:victory:
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The QX-100 is an amazing product.
More info here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2513999
No LTE 800. That's a deal breaker for me as it's a common used band in Sweden.
I had a good look at the QX devices as the poor camera on the Z Ultra is really my only complaint with it however I don't see the devices as alternatives to a decent onboard camera. The problem for me is that they're nowhere near portable enough to function in that role, I prefer to take the RX100 which isn't much larger in practical terms (it still needs a separate pocket as would the QX devices) but the RX100 has the advantage of being much quicker to use. The reason I like having the camera on the phone even with much better quality alternatives is that I pretty much always have the phone in my pocket making its camera handy to catch unexpected moments when I don't have a proper camera on me.
I have my doubts about the ZTE though and still hoping Sony will produce a similar device to the Ultra but with a usable camera.
The Sony supports more 3G and 4G bands. I don't think the ZTE, even its LTE variant, will support LTE from AT&T or T-Mobile. The Sony C6806 and C6806 GPe will work on every band that T-Mobile currently uses.
Also, won't come with Google whatsoever...
Lenovo, just launched a new smartphone Lenovo Phab Plus, for around $400. As of now, it's only available in china, but will its way to online retailers soon.
Display - - 6.8-inch full-HD display - 1080 x 1920 pixel resolution. Pixel density of 326ppi,
Processor - 64-bit octa-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 615 processor
RAM - 2GB RAM.
Storage - 32GB
Sound - The Dolby Atmos Surround Sound
Camera - 13mp with dual led flash + 5mp selfie
Dimensions- 96.6 x 186.6 x 7.6 mm, weighs 220 grams
Choices-Comes in Metallic Grey, Midnight Blue, Neon Pink and Elegant Silver platinum colours
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I owned the lenovo vibe 2 and the lack of development really frustrated me, as the lenovo software was horrendous. Not sure, if times are changed. I guess if enough people buy this, we'll have some custom rom to work with
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EDIT:
Huawei, earlier this year had also launched Huawei P8max.
Similar specs to the lenovo phablet above, but P8max comes with 3gb ram.
specs in the photo attachedhttp://gadgetblaze.blogspot.in/2015/04/huawei-p8max-with-68-inch-display.html
615 is a horrible, overheating piece of crap, and Huawei's Kirin lacks any sort of dev love. Moreover, they are not advertised as flagships. Believe it or not, these devices will never get the popularity and dev attention like the ZU, unless they one day announce a partnership with CM.
It takes more than a big screen and sleek design to be called a “ZU successor”.
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615 is a horrible, overheating piece of crap, and Huawei's Kirin lacks any sort of dev love. Moreover, they are not advertised as flagships. Believe it or not, these devices will never get the popularity and dev attention like the ZU, unless they one day announce a partnership with CM.
It takes more than a big screen and sleek design to be called a “ZU successor”.
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"It takes more than a big screen and sleek design to be called a “ZU successor”."
Agreed. But it's widespread availability that made the ZU development so active. I don't see why the Lenovo can't get traction (with a $400) price tag if its made available in all major continents.
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It takes more than a big screen and sleek design to be called a “ZU successor”.
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How about double to triple the battery life
Sorry, but in my eyes, the Mediapad X2 is a real successor to the ZU. The Mediapad X2 now has also got its own forum ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/mediapad-x2 ).
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Benjiro said:
How about double to triple the battery life
Sorry, but in my eyes, the Mediapad X2 is a real successor to the ZU. The Mediapad X2 now has also got its own forum ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/mediapad-x2 ).
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Stock ZU has crap battery though.
I have held the mediapad x2, and though i love the display, and overall feel of the phone, it's really just a tad too big. I know the different on paper is small (ZY 6.4' vs 7') but the 7' tablet against one's face looks slightly retarded
I am thinking of buying the C5 ultra as my daily driver, with ZU has backup. C5U is 13mp+13mp camera with front/back flash!
It's 6' vs 6.4' on the ZU but small price to pay for flash, better front facing camera, and dual sim.
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-c5-ultra/specifications/
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Stock ZU has crap battery though.
I have held the mediapad x2, and though i love the display, and overall feel of the phone, it's really just a tad too big. I know the different on paper is small (ZY 6.4' vs 7') but the 7' tablet against one's face looks slightly retarded
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Its just as the ZU. The X2 does look bigger, because of the 1cm but visually while making a call, there is little to no difference between the two. Both look like your holding a house brick near your head *lol*.
But who still uses a phone to call? *lol* ... A phone for me is emergency's / special stuff only. If somebody has something to tell me: WeChat, Mail, ...
In my opinion, if you go for ZU + C5, your probably going to use your C5 all the time and forget your ZU all the time. It becomes a hassle with two medium/big devices, especially if both are smartphones / drain batteries in a few days.
If you want a phone that does not look silly, just get a small Nokia dedicated phone that fits anywhere and last forever
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I am thinking of buying the C5 ultra as my daily driver, with ZU has backup. C5U is 13mp+13mp camera with front/back flash!
It's 6' vs 6.4' on the ZU but small price to pay for flash, better front facing camera, and dual sim.
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-c5-ultra/specifications/
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You do realize that the X2 also has 13mpix + flash
The Xperia C5 Ultra has a price tag almost idential to the X2.
But for the rest its behind in almost all aspects. In my opinion your better off just selling your ZU, pocket the cash and pay a bit more for a X2
Now: Keep ZU + 400 Euro for C5. Your ZU will probably not be used a lot anymore, as it becomes a hassle over time to deal with two medium/big devices that both need charging every few days.
Or: Sell the ZU for maybe 200 Euro. Buy a X2 for 350 a 400 Euro ( only 150 a 200 euro in reality ). Have one device with twice / triple the battery power of the ZU.
I know that you can argue that two devices ZU + C5 = double battery power but that argument does not hold water. If your ZU has 4/3/2G/Cell active, it will still drain a lot of battery, even when not used. Unless you want to constantly link your ZU to your C for data connection. Like that does not seem bothersome all the time
Anyway, my opinion. Join the Church of brotherly X2 love. Welcome my brother.
To sum up my opinions about the devices above:
Phab Plus: 615 is slow and overheats, and $400 is asking too much, even with a relatively big battery. History shows only flagship Lenovo devices get a little dev attention.
MediaPad X2: a feat to cram a 7 inch screen into a body like that, but 10% wider than the already unwieldy ZU, and the Kirin SoC instantly kills devs.
C5U: Sleek and more pocketable / hand-friendly than ZU, but while MT6752 offers performance similar to a SD800 device, paying another $400+ for marginal performance difference and (slightly) weaker dev attention isn't a good idea in my eyes. Unless you'll sell your ZU for it ;D
...which is why I said that the true ZU successor doesn't exist yet. Make compromises in aspects as you see fit.
And one last advice from a flashaholic: DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING OTHER THAN SNAPDRAGONS (and maybe Exynos's).
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MediaPad X2: a feat to cram a 7 inch screen into a body like that, but 10% wider than the already unwieldy ZU, and the Kirin SoC instantly kills devs.
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No offense but if you already consider the ZU unwieldy, then why are you even here? From your asking, you are better off in the Samsung Note forum.
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...which is why I said that the true ZU successor doesn't exist yet. Make compromises in aspects as you see fit.
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Benjiro said:
No offense but if you already consider the ZU unwieldy, then why are you even here? From your asking, you are better off in the Samsung Note forum.
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The ZU is at the verge of falling off my hand, but nonetheless with 1cm less it can still be carried (not used) in hand if I stretch my palm. That 1cm is a difference that crossed the threshold.
Also, yes I do prefer the size of the Note series to the 6-and-above category, but you know what, I enjoyed the Galaxy Mega 6.3 just as much as the Note 3. Nearly as much screen size as the ZU, and small bezels at all sides gives it high screen-to-body ratio and an even smaller footprint. In my mind this is how the 6-inchers should be designed.
Your mileage *will* vary though, because we Asians are known to have smaller hands
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Used to be a Lenovo whore but after the whole spyware crap and crap bloatware they add, I'm boycotting them... MEH.
A 7in tablet as a phone yes is stupid, a 7in phablet with no border is not.
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A 7in tablet as a phone yes is stupid, a 7in phablet with no border is not.
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Portable tablets with small bezels are always welcome, that's why I still kinda missed my Nexus 7 2013.
That said, Android tablets still need some bezels to avoid misidentifying touch events and to provide a better grip in landscape mode.
But with an oversized UI like that and full phone capabilities, I don't class the MediaPad X2 as a tablet.
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Just held the C5 Ultra today. Man, that's a well-built phone. Slightly smaller than the ZU (6 invs. 6.4in), and though i am very protective of my screen real-estate, I am actually considering the C5U. I can't imagine selling the ZU simply because of the amount of dev love it has received. I can use it as my 'guinea-pig' for the latest/greatest.
I can live with the absence of a flash (i have a really tiny external flash that plugs in the headphone jack), and the garbage camera (have an RX100 m2)
For me, 6.4-6.5 is really the most i can manage, as a primary phone. I am hoping to test out the P8 Max soon. My friend has it, and he says it's simply an amazing phone
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Just held the C5 Ultra today. Man, that's a well-built phone. Slightly smaller than the ZU (6 invs. 6.4in), and though i am very protective of my screen real-estate, I am actually considering the C5U. I can't imagine selling the ZU simply because of the amount of dev love it has received. I can use it as my 'guinea-pig' for the latest/greatest.
I can live with the absence of a flash (i have a really tiny external flash that plugs in the headphone jack), and the garbage camera (have an RX100 m2)
For me, 6.4-6.5 is really the most i can manage, as a primary phone. I am hoping to test out the P8 Max soon. My friend has it, and he says it's simply an amazing phone
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Yeah it's really amazing if you're coming from Z Ultra. It's an upgrade to every area of the Ultra and the updates are frequent compared to Sony.
The softwares are useful too. They have per app permission, optimisation like Greenify, etc all builtin so I don't really need to root the phone but I did anyway lol
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I'm thinking of giving up my idea of a +6in phone and hoping the Blackberry Venice is real. I'd sacrifice screen size for a physical keyboard. I can't believe I'm entertaining that idea though... How far we've fallen...
I just came across this thread on The Lenovo Phab Plus. I passed on the Ultra Z because of the lack of a camera flash which i really need for my tasks.
I'll post some info here for your reference. It may be OT
I just bought the Lenovo Phab Plus to test it out 7" phabs. Cost me around 330 usd in the Philippines and seems like a good deal. Build is good and feels like my Iphone 6 plus. This Phone is tall compared to my Huawei Mediapad X1
Antutu Benchmark v5.7.1 result
32123 Phab Plus
25731 Mediapad X1
35953 Galaxy Tab S 8.4 LTE
Camera quality is piss poor and video exposure is dark and contrasty. But i think software updates will fix that.
Hybrid Dual Sim slot I don't like. I sacrifice a sim slot for a microsd card. Huawei P8 Max is also Hybrid.
Huawei Mediapad X2 Is not hybrid.
Hi guys,
Looking to get a secondary phone. Question, is the Z Ultra still worth a buy, considering the lolipop update? Any performance numbers or whatever issues? Its between this and the C5 Ultra. I want a big display and sadly, the Zultra is the only decent 6.4inch display. Which is better? the MTK6752 or Qualcomms older SoC, in terms of gaming and overall user experience. THanks!
androFRUST said:
Hi guys,
Looking to get a secondary phone. Question, is the Z Ultra still worth a buy, considering the lolipop update? Any performance numbers or whatever issues? Its between this and the C5 Ultra. I want a big display and sadly, the Zultra is the only decent 6.4inch display. Which is better? the MTK6752 or Qualcomms older SoC, in terms of gaming and overall user experience. THanks!
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If you ask me, I'd get C5U instead of ZU, mainly because ZU's touchscreen responsiveness has been hit or miss for me, especially under multi-touch scenarios. The bold appearance and slightly smaller footprint of C5U also counts. You do have to wait quite a bit for custom ROMs, if any, but MT6752 can fight on equal footing with SD800/801, the former being somewhat stronger in CPU but beaten in GPU.
Question is, isn't a second-hand ZU *much* cheaper than the still-fresh C5U? I bought my ZU second-hand for ~$120, while C5U still retails for $350+ here.
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If you ask me, I'd get C5U instead of ZU, mainly because ZU's touchscreen responsiveness has been hit or miss for me, especially under multi-touch scenarios. The bold appearance and slightly smaller footprint of C5U also counts. You do have to wait quite a bit for custom ROMs, if any, but MT6752 can fight on equal footing with SD800/801, the former being somewhat stronger in CPU but beaten in GPU.
Question is, isn't a second-hand ZU *much* cheaper than the still-fresh C5U? I bought my ZU second-hand for ~$120, while C5U still retails for $350+ here.
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thanks for your feeback!! i have decided to go for the C5 ultra.. hopefully all is well!! thanks man
androFRUST said:
thanks for your feeback!! i have decided to go for the C5 ultra.. hopefully all is well!! thanks man
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Get the P8 Max, it's a much better deal compared with the C5.
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Hi
I'm thinking about buying this phone, but... with some special details. and I wanted your opinion.
I'm not really looking for a phone, I'm looking to replace my nexus 7 GSM (2012) tablet.
It cannot be something bigger than the N7 (in physical dimensions), it must have 3g connectivity and it has to be an upgrade (better specs).
These requests pretty much clean all the tablets, as only the 7'' and (some) 8'' are small enough and only very few have 3g or 4g.
So I thought of a phablet, and the Z ultra appeared on the search.
I know the screen is smaller, but I don't expect that difference to be a problem. I'll try to find other big phones in a store to compare.
I have a Z1 compact as a phone, and from the looks of it, the Z ultra is exactly the same, only with a bigger screen and battery.
This means the same rom support (cyanogenmod), the same performance (I'm very happy with the Z1 compact on that) and bigger battery and screen for movies and games.
So, am I right, do you think this is a good choice for me?
you can go with the xperia z3 compact tablet as well, that tablet has a sim card slot.
Currently I use it as LTE tablet and it works fine.
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you can go with the xperia z3 compact tablet as well, that tablet has a sim card slot.
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I didn't even know it existed...
It's bigger (yet not too big), faster, has more battery, full CM support... It's also more expensive, but maybe it's worth it.
Thanks! I'll really consider it.
Just to let you know, my ZU hasn't served me that well as a tablet, because 1) the touch panel mis-registers under multi-touch situations, 2) the speaker produces constant buzzing sound and 3) battery life is mediocre for real.
I have a TabPRO 8.4 WiFi, but this thing also has 3G and LTE variants. It might be a bit too big to your taste, but aside from the looks, this tablet is the best I've had my hands on.
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Just to let you know, my ZU hasn't served me that well as a tablet, because 1) the touch panel mis-registers under multi-touch situations, 2) the speaker produces constant buzzing sound and 3) battery life is mediocre for real.
I have a TabPRO 8.4 WiFi, but this thing also has 3G and LTE variants. It might be a bit too big to your taste, but aside from the looks, this tablet is the best I've had my hands on.
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Surprisingly, it's not too big (but it's close to).
Here the biggest problem is the price, the LTE variant is a lot more expensive than the Z ultra or the Z3 tablet compact already mentioned here.
Anyway, thanks for the opinion, the battery life was a concern for me, and it seems it is a problem.
Actually, after that last suggestion I re-checked the prices... and both the tablets presented are much more expensive than the Z ultra...
Even with the spec difference and the possible battery problem, it's still the one I think I'll choose.
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Surprisingly, it's not too big (but it's close to).
Here the biggest problem is the price, the LTE variant is a lot more expensive than the Z ultra or the Z3 tablet compact already mentioned here.
Anyway, thanks for the opinion, the battery life was a concern for me, and it seems it is a problem.
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Strange, TabPRO 8.4 retails for about the same price as Z3TC here. Also, most of my devices are bought second-hand, and in the cases of ZU and TabPRO, they cost me ~$125 and ~$190 respectively, while Z3TC can go up to $250+ (yes, used - absurdly pricey).
To me the extra price made quite a difference - aside from the looks, TabPRO gives me a much more comfortable tablet experience and fits snugly in my small carry bag.
There are indeed very few devices in the price range of ZU that can match its specs and screen, and for that it is a unicorn I don't actually want to let go of... But the small problems mentioned in the last post proved more than annoying for me. YMMV, as always.
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You should compare Z Ultra with 7" LTE tablet like Nexus 7 or Asus ME572CL.
CPU is far superior.
Nexus 7 does not support memory card (ZU can take 128GB)
ME572CL has locked (not unlockable) bootloader
Don't forget Z Ultra can be used as phone when needed.
Xperia Z Ultra is great in terms of build quality and speed.
But if you are looking into alternatives, if you just want tablet (not phone) you may look at Asus or Lenovo line of products.
Also, you may look at Motorola Nexus 6. Now that new Nexus phones are announced previous Nexus prices are dropping. It is a great phone, large screen, and with the Android 6.0 it works better than before (according to several user feedbacks).
Good Luck!
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Xperia Z Ultra is great in terms of build quality and speed.
But if you are looking into alternatives, if you just want tablet (not phone) you may look at Asus or Lenovo line of products.
Also, you may look at Motorola Nexus 6. Now that new Nexus phones are announced previous Nexus prices are dropping. It is a great phone, large screen, and with the Android 6.0 it works better than before (according to several user feedbacks).
Good Luck!
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Be aware the Intel X3 based tablet is NOT rootable, and the performance is poor (only 7000 Quadrant).
http://m.gsmarena.com/a_total_of_5_sony_xperia_z6s_expected_a_4inch_mini_among_them-news-15343.php
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It is good news and lets hope there will be more confirmations coming such as leaked FCC documents.
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i'll believe it when i see it.
Agreed, we have a rumoured Ultra every iteration. None has been accurate yet... Fingers crossed though.
Sony isnt as gutsy anymore. Z Ultra was a fail they most likely arent gonna take the risk again
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The market has evolved since 2013. Big screen devices are gaining popularity, especially in Asia and a 6.44 inch display in a slim body would be a much easier sell now than it was back then (the Ultra came to the market when a 5.5 inch Note 2 was the biggest screen) but a couple of competitors are offering devices above 5.7 inches and goes up to 7 inches.
Sony can take three routes for the next Ultra and both would be OK:
1. Introducing a Z6 Ultra with a 6.44 inch display and a decent camera.
2. Introducing a Z6 Tablet Compact with an 8 inch display, slimmer bezels than the Z3 TC and an ear speaker and dialer in the LTE version.
3. Introduce both a Z6 Ultra and a Z6 Tablet Compact.
I think they made the C5 Ultra as a market test and I got the impression that it got a positive reception, which would make it easier to design a Z6 Ultra with a similar edge-to-edge display design, which would make it smaller than the Z Ultra.
The alternative is a Tablet Compact with a similar edge-to-edge display and fully equipped with LTE and a dialer. Such a device would be smaller than the Z3 TC and would be totally OK as a replacement for the Ultra. Using the "Tablet Compact" name is clever since western people seems to be more accepting of tablets with an 8 inch display than a big "smartphone".
To me, the next "Ultra" can be a Z6 Ultra or a Z6 Tablet Compact LTE and I am pretty sure we will get at least one of them. AnTuTu scores give some credibility to a Z6 Ultra, though. The earlier rumors such as Z3X were just renderings without any information presented but this early indication from AnTuTu carries more weight. I don't think they would "fake" benchmarks from a Z6 series of Sony devices since it would be of no use.
Except it's not an Antutu report, it's Antutu saying on social media that "It is reported that..." Gossip at best.
The question is if someone ran an AnTuTu test on a prototype device and shared the results?
I think it is highly probable and logical with a portfolio clean up next year with a Z6 series eliminating all remains of the troubled 2015 (Xperia Z4 which should have been released alongside with the Z4 Tablet, then silent release in Japan followed by Z3+ in Europe quickly followed by the Z5, which isn't a complete series either).
It is reasonable to expect a Z6 Compact, Z6, Z6 Premium or Plus with some question marks regarding a Z6 Ultra, Z6 Tablet Compact and Z6 Tablet. A Z6 TC with smaller bezels than the Z3 TC with dialer on the LTE version (like the existing TC) and an ear speaker (improvement over the existing TC) would do it as an Ultra replacement. Whether Sony decide to develop a Z6 Ultra or rather let a Z6 TC take care of those customers is an open question. I would be very surprised if they leave a gap between the 5.5-5.7 inch segment and have a 10 inch as the next step. Something in between, be it a 6.44 inch Z6 Ultra or a 8 inch Z6 TC is a logical addition to the product line.
The size difference between a Z6 Ultra and a Z6 TC (with smaller bezels than the Z3 TC) is not that big so they could very well merge them into one device but with some more activity on the LTE version (many stores only carried the WiFi only Z3 TC SGP 611 or 612).
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I've not seen that anywhere. And "logical additions" are less so if Sony's position is still that its mobile phone business is in a holding pattern only.
A Z6 Tablet Compact is something I am pretty sure they will introduce since it is hard to see them allow a gap between a 5.5 inch device and a 10 inch tablet. I can understand a reluctance to make a 6.44 inch phablet but a new Tablet Compact could absorb those customers (the Z3 TC wasn't enough of an upgrade to make it worthwhile, especially since the LTE version has 16 GB only). All it takes is an "SGP652" and "SGP653" with 32 and 64 GB internal and LTE radio with a dialer and ear speaker (even if headset only is OK) and it would work as an Ultra replacement, especially with smaller bezels, which would make it just a tad bigger than the Ultra.
Even if they would decide to postpone a Z6 series to later next year I would assume a Z6 Tablet Compact and a Z6 Tablet is being their products for MWC, which would make sense since their earlier tablets were introduced at that time.
One thing is for sure: If they come empty handed to MWC with nothing new to show, i.e. trying to extract more life out of the Z3 TC and Z4 Tablet, it will be game-over quickly. The Z5 can live for a few months but two new tablets are needed.
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A Z6 Tablet Compact is something I am pretty sure they will introduce since it is hard to see them allow a gap between a 5.5 inch device and a 10 inch tablet. I can understand a reluctance to make a 6.44 inch phablet but a new Tablet Compact could absorb those customers
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The TCs are just too big for me for an everyday phone. If there's no new ZU and not enough old ones available, I'll probably just have to step down to the best 6in device. But I'll be hoping for a Z6U/Z7U etc.
Possible renaming for z ultra
The z3 tablet compact on the three network in the uk is classed as a tablet not a phablet even though you can call and text but the data is automatically disabled by three uk. I used this device for my primary mobile needs for about 4 month 2014 to q1 2015 until three disabled the data. I would like it if sony renamed the tablet compact to phablet compact or something else, so networks dont put the devices in the same class as full tablets, i also have the phone call conversation from the three customer service and supervisor(manager maybe). When three had disabled my data i had purchased a sony xperia z ultra to get my data back online and for my needs, now my z3 tablet compact is used as a second device for my work needs but as soon as the three uk network changes then i would be using this as my primary device again.
I use my Ultra with a data-only SIM since 2014 when Hangouts Dialer came out since I use Google Voice for all talk and text needs and I usually get a SIM card without any issues with service this or that depending on the device. If I have the service and the SIM is compatible, everything is good to go and if a carrier have another idea and want to interfere, then I would be pretty mad at them.
I have tried the Z3 TC and can carry it in the same pocket as my Ultra with a Power Cover CP12. The main reason I never took the step was the decision of Sony to only use 16 GB in the SGP621, which essentially made it like an Ultra with a bigger screen (3 GB RAM is a benefit but otherwise the same more or less).
To me, going down to a smaller display isn't a workable solution since it make things clumsier, especially browsing and reading gain a lot with more space. Even a 6 inch display is a noticeable degradation for those things. The Ultra is the first device which is big enough to actually replace a tablet for me since the display is big enough without feeling like a big compromise. Going up to an 8 inch isn't my main plan but since the manufacturers actually make tablets that size, it is an option I have investigated as an option provided the market for 6.5-7 inch phablets with high end hardware is heavily restricted even in 2016.
With the Android 6.1 in the works and indications about great things going tablet next year (multi window, redesigned nav bar and so on), I am even more convinced about stepping up to 8 inches if Sony or another maker fail to give us a proper Ultra replacement (which I would convert into tablet DPI to get the new upcoming enhancements).
Can it be...?
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=PY7&pc=-PM0913
mingkee said:
Can it be...?
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=PY7&pc=-PM0913
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Idk how to read that site
mingkee said:
Can it be...?
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=PY7&pc=-PM0913
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PM0913=Z5 Premium Dual it is a 5.5 inch screen.
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Idk how to read that site
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It's FCC site shows all supported American bands.
Since it has B12, it's good For T-Mobile
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It's FCC site shows all supported American bands.
Since it has B12, it's good For T-Mobile
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identification>
<model>E6883</model>
<marketingname>Xperia™ Z5 Premium Dual (E6883)</marketingname>
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I really like the XA's look, unfortunately it is quite weak. However the XA Ultra seems to have some good specs although I'm not familiar with it's cpu. How is MediaTek MT6755 compared to Snapdragon 801 in the Z3?
How big of a downgrade would this be? Can we also compare it to the Nexus 5X since it's similarly priced?
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I really like the XA's look, unfortunately it is quite weak. However the XA Ultra seems to have some good specs although I'm not familiar with it's cpu. How is MediaTek MT6755 compared to Snapdragon 801 in the Z3?
How big of a downgrade would this be? Can we also compare it to the Nexus 5X since it's similarly priced?
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The MediaTek MT6755 is supposed to be faster than the Snapdragon 801 .
See:
wccftech.com/mt6755-latest-soc-octacore-cortexa53-cpu/
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The MediaTek MT6755 is supposed to be faster than the Snapdragon 801 .
See:
wccftech.com/mt6755-latest-soc-octacore-cortexa53-cpu/
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I have the normal xa and I have to say I'm highly impressed with it it flies with no lag and the edge to edge display is stunning
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If you compare every ford automobile to the GT-40 they will all come up short. I have been waiting for this phone to come out. It has a true 6 inch screen, hard to find these days. Any body who calls a phone less than 6 inches a fablet is a idiot . For what you get for the price the only complaint is the battery.
id3alistic said:
I really like the XA's look, unfortunately it is quite weak. However the XA Ultra seems to have some good specs although I'm not familiar with it's cpu. How is MediaTek MT6755 compared to Snapdragon 801 in the Z3?
How big of a downgrade would this be? Can we also compare it to the Nexus 5X since it's similarly priced?
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I think it is a significant downgrade. MediaTek was on the Xperia C5 Ultra, and there is a noticeable lag, but I'm a kind of person that leaves 40+ webpages open and forget to clear out my multi task applications. Supposedly the new MediaTek is smooth with no hickups, I just got my phone today, so we'll see. I came from using the Xperia Z Ultra, which was a SnapDragon beast, I followed Sony's phablet 6-inches lineups from the Z Ultra, T2 Ultra, C5 Ultra, now finally to the XA Ultra. I think the Z Series are strong performing phones. The X series is really for first-time Android buyers, but never had an iPhone. Really, I think it's suited for the Indian 3rd world market, because 16 GB of internal storage fills up so fast! Practically Sony is making throw away phones that will last only a year on the market. Because storage space is the largest issue with this internal storage debacle! No one can really maintain a slim-line storage. That takes an minimalist when there are so many apps to download, and all these alternative photo apps Snapchat and Instagram images go straight to internal and there's save-management to SD Card for these kinda 3rd party apps.
A 6-inch screen calls for stream apps! Yet those apps are huge in file size! I use more that 5 streaming apps... Because my cable app doesn't do it, and each broadcasting show has their own independent app, and you sign in with your cable subscription. It really kills me that I have so little storage to work with. Also the Netflix-s alike.
I am rooting for Sony like a cheerleader, but they need to get it together with the spec choices. A 16GB SD Card on the market now is about $10. To think the internal chip is less than that at wholesale. I keep asking myself, why am I buying a 10 dollar phone for $230? It should really be 128GB and cut the crap.
In conclusion if you're coming from a Z series, and thinking about it... The design is nice, if you want the whole 6-inch screen experience, you will sacrifice a lot and curve your storage by using external and cloud storage. Even then you will have problems moving files back and forth because of Google and SD Storage transfer file restrictions and can only do so when you plug your cellphone in your computer.
Honestly I would just wait for the next flagship phone coming from another Z series phone or the current Z5 series, and this can be a 2nd phone for play (like one those mobile reviewers)
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I think it is a significant downgrade. MediaTek was on the Xperia C5 Ultra, and there is a noticeable lag, but I'm a kind of person that leaves 40+ webpages open and forget to clear out my multi task applications. Supposedly the new MediaTek is smooth with no hickups, I just got my phone today, so we'll see. I came from using the Xperia Z Ultra, which was a SnapDragon beast, I followed Sony's phablet 6-inches lineups from the Z Ultra, T2 Ultra, C5 Ultra, now finally to the XA Ultra. I think the Z Series are strong performing phones. The X series is really for first-time Android buyers, but never had an iPhone. Really, I think it's suited for the Indian 3rd world market, because 16 GB of internal storage fills up so fast! Practically Sony is making throw away phones that will last only a year on the market. Because storage space is the largest issue with this internal storage debacle! No one can really maintain a slim-line storage. That takes an minimalist when there are so many apps to download, and all these alternative photo apps Snapchat and Instagram images go straight to internal and there's save-management to SD Card for these kinda 3rd party apps.
A 6-inch screen calls for stream apps! Yet those apps are huge in file size! I use more that 5 streaming apps... Because my cable app doesn't do it, and each broadcasting show has their own independent app, and you sign in with your cable subscription. It really kills me that I have so little storage to work with. Also the Netflix-s alike.
I am rooting for Sony like a cheerleader, but they need to get it together with the spec choices. A 16GB SD Card on the market now is about $10. To think the internal chip is less than that at wholesale. I keep asking myself, why am I buying a 10 dollar phone for $230? It should really be 128GB and cut the crap.
In conclusion if you're coming from a Z series, and thinking about it... The design is nice, if you want the whole 6-inch screen experience, you will sacrifice a lot and curve your storage by using external and cloud storage. Even then you will have problems moving files back and forth because of Google and SD Storage transfer file restrictions and can only do so when you plug your cellphone in your computer.
Honestly I would just wait for the next flagship phone coming from another Z series phone or the current Z5 series, and this can be a 2nd phone for play (like one those mobile reviewers)
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I highly recommend you go and try one if possible, I did and I didn't think twice about it once I'd had a go.
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Ive had mine for 2 days now and i think it destroys the Z3 in every way aprt from the sound chip ie no built in noise cancellation for supporting headphones and sound quality via headphone jack isnt as good but thats a mute point for me as i now have bluetooth headphones. No waterproofing on the xa ultra either.
aidy.lucas said:
I highly recommend you go and try one if possible, I did and I didn't think twice about it once I'd had a go.
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WHAT HE SAID .. i have the xa ultra and love the size , no lags battery is not that great tho funny i also have a z5 premium and i like this one better why sony didn't put this same front camera own their flagship wtf
ajftl250 said:
WHAT HE SAID .. i have the xa ultra and love the size , no lags battery is not that great tho funny i also have a z5 premium and i like this one better why sony didn't put this same front camera own their flagship wtf
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Go to settings/location and tap the three dot menu, and then turn off scanning always available inc when screen is off for WiFi and Bluetooth. I've turned it off in settings WiFi advanced aswell. I've also enabled greenify's agressesive doze and doze on the go via adb so now doze kicks in in minutes instead of hours
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Amazon has the XA Ultra for $298 now for the US. Compare that to their $600+ flagship, lol.
Does XA Ultra support quick charge?
id3alistic said:
Amazon has the XA Ultra for $298 now for the US. Compare that to their $600+ flagship, lol.
Does XA Ultra support quick charge?
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The xa range does I think, though my xa charges from empty to full in about a hour hour and half tops on the standard supplied Sony charger.
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id3alistic said:
Amazon has the XA Ultra for $298 now for the US. Compare that to their $600+ flagship, lol.
Does XA Ultra support quick charge?
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no it does not
kennehh said:
no it does not
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The normal xa supports quick charging so I would imagine the xa ultra does too. Only supplied with a stock Sony charger though(in UK) it'll still charge from zero to full in about a hour though.
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kennehh said:
no it does not
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I'm OK with @aidy.lucas pretty sure it does, but not with stock charger.
kennehh said:
no it does not
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The Sony website says that it does.
MikLSP said:
The Sony website says that it does.
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I stand corrected, its very strange how they would not include a quick charger in the box
JKWR said:
Ive had mine for 2 days now and i think it destroys the Z3 in every way aprt from the sound chip ie no built in noise cancellation for supporting headphones and sound quality via headphone jack isnt as good but thats a mute point for me as i now have bluetooth headphones. No waterproofing on the xa ultra either.
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If you are rooted you can try Viper4Android for having better sound, it have many settings :good:
Above all if there is one thing that has impressed me with this phone it's the display. It's just very nice to look at. It has very deep blacks which makes the display feel like an Amoled from time to time. The contrast is also very good because of the deep blacks. It's just very easy on the eyes and smooth to look at and has less of the "glowing" sensation that I think many LCD's has and mine has very good color uniformity also. I truly enjoy its display.