A few people at reddit are reporting that the glass visor on the back of the 6P (on the camera hump) has spontaneously shattered on their phones. The phone was sitting on a table, not being used, and the glass suddenly just cracked.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3rwc6p/nexus_6p_back_glass_window_has_just_spontaneously/
This recalls the days when people reported similar experiences with the glass back on the Nexus 4. Some at the time speculated it had to do with heat differentials that the glass back of the Nexus 4 could not handle.
In the case of the 6P, some people in the thread say that the glass visor on the back of the phone directly abuts the surrounding metal, without the sort of plastic buffer ring that usually separates screens from a metal chassis. This means there is no protection for the glass visor from sheer forces (against the edge of the glass, rather than the face of the glass). Apparently Gorilla Glass is designed to take direct impact to the surface of the glass, at the cost of being less resistant to sheer forces. Others in the reddit thread also suggest that the metal body expanding at a different rate, due to temperature differentials, could produce the necessary sheer force to shatter the glass visor.
Anyone here experiencing problems with the glass visor shattering?
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A few people at reddit are reporting that the glass visor on the back of the 6P (on the camera hump) has spontaneously shattered on their phones. The phone was sitting on a table, not being used, and the glass suddenly just cracked.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3rwc6p/nexus_6p_back_glass_window_has_just_spontaneously/
This recalls the days when people reported similar experiences with the glass back on the Nexus 4. Some at the time speculated it had to do with heat differentials that the glass back of the Nexus 4 could not handle.
In the case of the 6P, some people in the thread say that the glass visor on the back of the phone directly abuts the surrounding metal, without the sort of plastic buffer ring that usually separates screens from a metal chassis. This means there is no protection for the glass visor from sheer forces (against the edge of the glass, rather than the face of the glass). Apparently Gorilla Glass is designed to take direct impact to the surface of the glass, at the cost of being less resistant to sheer forces. Others in the reddit thread also suggest that the metal body expanding at a different rate, due to temperature differentials, could produce the necessary sheer force to shatter the glass visor.
Anyone here experiencing problems with the glass visor shattering?
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Been posted already.
No issues here yet, also my Nexus 4 is still going strong without a case and no shattering either.
italia0101 said:
Been posted already.
No issues here yet, also my Nexus 4 is still going strong without a case and no shattering either.
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Oh, thanks, sorry to repost. I looked and couldn't find a thread. It will be interesting to see if this turns out to just be a few unlucky people or a more widespread issue.
[Edit: Since no one seems to be able to find the other thread or it may actually have been about something else--people dropping or bending their phones--I'm going to assume that this is in fact the only thread currently on the topic of the glass visor spontaneously cracking on it's own when the phone is not being touched or handled by the user at all.]
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Been posted already.
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Where is the original thread link? So we all discuss it there.
i say its a user error. I.E dropped, intentionally, or accidentally
enough with these posts gosh!! phone is rock solid!
Sounds like the kiddos in the other thread bending their phones being careless... just more people being careless. I have abused mine to an extent, wasn't able to bend any edges and certainly haven't broken the glass. I even dropped it hardwood already, no damage.
designgears said:
Sounds like the kiddos in the other thread bending their phones being careless... just more people being careless. I have abused mine to an extent, wasn't able to bend any edges and certainly haven't broken the glass. I even dropped it hardwood already, no damage.
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This is definitely not what happened with the people in the reddit thread. Their phones were sitting on a table, not being handled at all, and they suddenly heard cracking sounds and the glass cracked on its own. So some sort of flaw in the glass or stress from the metal body on the glass (or both) caused the cracking.
From the OP of the reddit thread (and a couple others there report similar experiences):
https://imgur.com/u2ILh24
Well that was a surprise. For me, and the cat. It was sat on a table next to me when I heard the glass snap, leaving a little snowfall of shavings on the table under it. It's now continuing to crack away to itself.
See: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3rwc6p/nexus_6p_back_glass_window_has_just_spontaneously/
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Anyone here at XDA experience this?
cb474 said:
This is definitely not what happened with the people in the reddit thread. Their phones were sitting on a table, not being handled at all, and they suddenly heard cracking sounds and the glass cracked on its own. So some sort of flaw in the glass or stress from the metal body on the glass (or both) caused the cracking.
From the OP of the reddit thread (and a couple others there report similar experiences):
Anyone here at XDA experience this?
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Sounds like people just want to make up BS just because they weren't careful with their phone
While I am an honest person, if I weren't and managed to break the glass on my phone, I might be inclined to claim spontaneous breakage to get it warrantied. Take this crap with a grain of salt. There are a lot of folks that would do and say just about anything to avoid forking out the cash to replace their phone themselves when they busted it.
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While I am an honest person, if I weren't and managed to break the glass on my phone, I might be inclined to claim spontaneous breakage to get it warrantied. Take this crap with a grain of salt. There are a lot of folks that would do and say just about anything to avoid forking out the cash to replace their phone themselves when they busted it.
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I could see this being the case. Drop straight onto the back considering visor is raised from rest of the device.
designgears said:
Sounds like the kiddos in the other thread bending their phones being careless... just more people being careless. I have abused mine to an extent, wasn't able to bend any edges and certainly haven't broken the glass. I even dropped it hardwood already, no damage.
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I fear that. The darn thing is so slippery. I ordered a intelliglass thing that I have on my N5 which works great and keeps the naked look. But I do moisturize my hands a lot these days.
bobby janow said:
I fear that. The darn thing is so slippery. I ordered a intelliglass thing that I have on my N5 which works great and keeps the naked look. But I do moisturize my hands a lot these days.
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Haha! I'll give you that one.
I think that Nexus community is these days worse than Samsung or iphone fanboys. Anything that is pointed out of the device that there is fault is always said "shut up I love my N<3xus" While this 6P is clearly having major design flaws.
And this comes from a guy who has pre-ordered this phone and can't wait to get my hands on it but I don't want to close my eyes of those stupid design flaws.
So far what is it 2 or 3 cases of back visor smashed ....how many phones sold?......user error
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Sounds like people just want to make up BS just because they weren't careful with their phone
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ga9213 said:
While I am an honest person, if I weren't and managed to break the glass on my phone, I might be inclined to claim spontaneous breakage to get it warrantied. Take this crap with a grain of salt. There are a lot of folks that would do and say just about anything to avoid forking out the cash to replace their phone themselves when they busted it.
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We've already been down this road with the Nexus 4. People can put their head in the sand and refuse to believe it, but it is possible for glass parts on phones to break on their own, either due to temperature differentials or flaws in the overall design of the phone body (that puts stress on glass parts in ways they were not designed to handle). If you actually bother to read through the reddit thread, you can see there are a number of people knowledgeable about materials science explaining how this can happen.
In any case, it would be a dumb way to make up a story to try to get the phone replaced under warranty, precisely because people are inclined not to believe these stories and because people lack the sophistication to understand how glass can break in this way.
So, I don't doubt this really happened. Again if you bother to read the reddit thread, you can see the people involved seem credible.
The real question is: Will this turn out to be a fluke with a couple phones or is this going to be a more widespread problem?
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I remember loads of cases of back glass broken.
I had N4 for a year and then my gf had it. She is not as careful as me. Phone been dropped few times and no problems.
So I really hope its not a problem in here
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CandyAndy said:
I think that Nexus community is these days worse than Samsung or iphone fanboys. Anything that is pointed out of the device that there is fault is always said "shut up I love my N<3xus" While this 6P is clearly having major design flaws.
And this comes from a guy who has pre-ordered this phone and can't wait to get my hands on it but I don't want to close my eyes of those stupid design flaws.
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3 or 4 glass issues over thousands of shipping
Yeah you are right... we should not act like fanboys,
it's clearly a design flaw spreading out all over the world !!
wazka2 said:
I remember loads of cases of back glass broken.
I had N4 for a year and then my gf had it. She is not as careful as me. Phone been dropped few times and no problems.
So I really hope its not a problem in here
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Yes, just as there were many broken glass backs on the iPhone 4 and looking around a little it seems to be a pretty common problem with the Galaxy S6 and Note5. I have no doubt there will be many broken glass visors on the Nexus 6P, from people droppping it. I have been pretty lucky, with my Nexus 4; dropped it a couple times over the years, even on concrete, and no broken glass back; although I never took the original plastic covering off the back in the hopes that would protect it some.
But, just to emphasize the point, since most people are totally missing the point, what is being discussed in this thread is a design flaw in which the visor shatters on its own, not due to users dropping the phone. This could be due to rapid temperature differentials or to flaws in the way the glass visor abuts the aluminum body and is put under sheer stresses, for which the glass was not designed.
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3 or 4 glass issues over thousands of shipping
Yeah you are right... we should not act like fanboys,
it's clearly a design flaw spreading out all over the world !!
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Not that many people have the phone yet. Many people may also not be posting about the issue online. So your "3 or 4" out of thousands are pretty much just made up numbers. Three or four have been reported. There could be more out there. And not that many people have the phone yet. Once the shipping numbers are more in the millions, then will see how common it is.
In any case, whatever happens, it does not mean that it is not a stupid design decision to use extra glass (a fragile material) where it is not necessary. Especially when so many other phones have already demonstrated why this is a bad idea. Even if the spontaneous shattering visor issue turns out to only affect very few people, the fact will remain the 6P is more vulnerable to damage when dropped than necessary. Since people carry their phones everywhere and constantly take them in and out of their pockets, it's a device that should be designed with durability in mind. You can't prevent every accident, but you can minimize the damage they cause.
I wish Google had learned their lesson from the Nexus 4. Sure, a small glass visor is better than an entirely glass back like on the Nexus 4. But it's still unnecessary. I'll bet Samsung will not put a glass back on the Galaxy S7 or Note6, realizing that it was a bad idea like everyone else who's tried it. This will leave only Google with the dubious distinction of repeating the glass on the back of the phone mistake twice. Not only can Google not learn from others mistakes, they can't even learn from their own.
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Ok so I tried searching but couldn't find anything, though I'm sure someone asked before.
I've read conflicting reports on weather or not the att version of the gs2 has gorilla glass.
Can anyone confirm that it does? do any of you that have had the phone a while see many scratches?
I have the captivate and am blown away at the fact that this thing is nearly scratch proof. I just want to make sure the gs2 has it. Also do you know if the sky rocket has it? which phone do you guys recommend.
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A trip to the Samsung site to look at the specs would have told you the answer.
artvandalay22222 said:
Ok so I tried searching but couldn't find anything, though I'm sure someone asked before.
I've read conflicting reports on weather or not the att version of the gs2 has gorilla glass.
Can anyone confirm that it does? do any of you that have had the phone a while see many scratches?
I have the captivate and am blown away at the fact that this thing is nearly scratch proof. I just want to make sure the gs2 has it. Also do you know if the sky rocket has it? which phone do you guys recommend.
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It says it does, but to be honest to me it seems like it doesn't, mine already has scratches in it, but then again maybe without it it would be way worse...
jsolares said:
It says it does, but to be honest to me it seems like it doesn't, mine already has scratches in it, but then again maybe without it it would be way worse...
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Gorilla glass does nothing as far as preventing scratches, the glass is to prevent cracking when dropped so it doesn't look like an ifail that hit the ground from 2 feet.
Its anti scratch not scratch resistant. its glass, it will scratch eventually.
Yes it has gorilla glass, and it is very scratch resistant. I've had mine for around four months and the screen still looks like it did when I got it.
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Gorilla glass does nothing as far as preventing scratches, the glass is to prevent cracking when dropped so it doesn't look like an ifail that hit the ground from 2 feet.
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You might want to check what gorilla glass does or doesn't, it's scratch resistant as well as tougher overall.
the iDevices also use corning
And now that i think about it, the scratches i'm seeing might be to the oleo-phobic layer and not the glass itself.
jsolares said:
You might want to check what gorilla glass does or doesn't, it's scratch resistant as well as tougher overall.
the iDevices also use corning
And now that i think about it, the scratches i'm seeing might be to the oleo-phobic layer and not the glass itself.
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Fairly sure the idevices are going to use corning, but haven't yet
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Its anti scratch not scratch resistant. its glass, it will scratch eventually.
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I think you got that backwards.
I don't know if its actually "gorilla" glass. But I dropped my phone from about 4ft and it landed screen down on cement. Only damage was a few knicks out of the plastic edges, but the screen is completely intact. Its also survived in my pocket with my car keys and a few other nasty drops.
There's a great youtube video online of the SGII vs the Iphone 4s in a drop test from a couple of feet on concrete. The SGII does well whereas the Iphone has numerous cracks
According to Gorilla Glass reps it's pretty safe from scratches from more "organized" objects. Like metal keys, knife in the demo, stuff like that. But they say randomly assembled things like rocks, concrete, asphalts etc will scratch it. There's a YouTube video floating around.
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I don't know if its actually "gorilla" glass. But I dropped my phone from about 4ft and it landed screen down on cement. Only damage was a few knicks out of the plastic edges, but the screen is completely intact. Its also survived in my pocket with my car keys and a few other nasty drops.
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Samsung phones are tough little buggers.
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Here is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw
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I think the main difference is the iPhone has quite a big part of the screen edge completely unprotected whereas the SGSII doesn't.
I wonder how an iPhone with those bumpers cases would do.
I see so many shattered iPhones and iPod Touchs come in at work for repair I don't know why the hell parents are still buying these for their 12 year old kids heh. We have stone tile flooring in our house. I passed out on the couch the other night with my gs2 in my lap and it took a dive screen down. Still looks good as new. An iPhone wouldn't have been so lucky.
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just to clarify from previous posts, the iphones/ipods do indeed have corning glass which can be pretty safely assumed to be gorilla glass based on numerous articles including this one here:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/02/apple-name-drops-corning-as-iphone-glass-manufacturer-we-feign/
also, i can't remember exactly where i read the article but i believe that apple basically invented the use for gorilla glass. i believe it was in the new york times or something or other in an article about the steve jobs biography which explained how corning initially approached apple about using this new highly scratch and shatter-resistant glass they had just developed but had no idea what use it could have.
the iphone at that point was due to launch in 6 months or so and corning insisted that the glass wasn't going to be ready yet but steve jobs being steve jobs pushed them hard to get it ready in time. so up until only 6-9 months before release the iphone prototypes had all used plastic screens.
don't quote me on any of this but if my memory serves me correctly this is roughly the story they reported
hurley81388 said:
just to clarify from previous posts, the iphones/ipods do indeed have corning glass which can be pretty safely assumed to be gorilla glass based on numerous articles including this one here:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/02/apple-name-drops-corning-as-iphone-glass-manufacturer-we-feign/
also, i can't remember exactly where i read the article but i believe that apple basically invented the use for gorilla glass. i believe it was in the new york times or something or other in an article about the steve jobs biography which explained how corning initially approached apple about using this new highly scratch and shatter-resistant glass they had just developed but had no idea what use it could have.
the iphone at that point was due to launch in 6 months or so and corning insisted that the glass wasn't going to be ready yet but steve jobs being steve jobs pushed them hard to get it ready in time. so up until only 6-9 months before release the iphone prototypes had all used plastic screens.
don't quote me on any of this but if my memory serves me correctly this is roughly the story they reported
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**** Apple and their over-glorified app launcher they call an OS.
hurley81388 said:
just to clarify from previous posts, the iphones/ipods do indeed have corning glass which can be pretty safely assumed to be gorilla glass based on numerous articles including this one here:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/02/apple-name-drops-corning-as-iphone-glass-manufacturer-we-feign/
also, i can't remember exactly where i read the article but i believe that apple basically invented the use for gorilla glass. i believe it was in the new york times or something or other in an article about the steve jobs biography which explained how corning initially approached apple about using this new highly scratch and shatter-resistant glass they had just developed but had no idea what use it could have.
the iphone at that point was due to launch in 6 months or so and corning insisted that the glass wasn't going to be ready yet but steve jobs being steve jobs pushed them hard to get it ready in time. so up until only 6-9 months before release the iphone prototypes had all used plastic screens.
don't quote me on any of this but if my memory serves me correctly this is roughly the story they reported
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Partially correct, I think. Yes, i-phones do have corning glass (gorilla glass, even if not by name). No, it wasn't invented for apple. Corning invented it in the 60s, but couldn't find a use for it until Jobs called looking for something better after getting frustrated with scratches on his plastic-screened prototype. Corning proposed the product as a solution (not yet branded gorilla,as I recall), then did indeed have to scramble to get it produced on a short timeline.
Red5 said:
**** Apple and their over-glorified app launcher they call an OS.
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Even worse they're dumbing down the once awesome Mac OS to act more like IOS. Thank God my Mac Pro wont be supported when 10.8 comes out.. 10.7 is bad enough..
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Reason i ask is, i recently swapped out my first GNote for a second to see if the replacement would get better benchmark numbers and on the second day of ownership i managed to scratch the screen. I remember that Megiures has a plastic polish to remove scratches from convertible top windows that are plastic. Versus taking this one back for a new one (BB black tie), I wanted to try and remove the scratches.
Any thoughts or experiences you may have is welcomed.
Thanks!
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The screen is glass. I doubt a plastic polish would do much of anything. I don't remember where but there was a glass polish posted somewhere that apparently works well.
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Gorilla glass is a alkali-aluminosilicate glass, which is just fancy talk for chemically treated glass, so any plastic methods may or may not work, depending on how they work. I came from the Samsung Vibrant which has GG and I remembered this thread on XDA. It’s far beyond just a small scratch and the fix isn’t perfect, but it shows what can be done. There are down sides to doing this obviously.
As for the swap, I’ve ran into the same situation before and encountered snags. I went to exchange BB for a palm phone for a BB. The palm I had wouldn’t connect to BT in my car, refused to sync regularly, and a host of other problems. Well it has a small knick in the corner so they said they couldn’t exchange it for a BB. So I told them fine, I want a new one because this one doesn’t work right. They upheld their end of the bargain and did the exchange. I walked outside, attempted to connect to BT which I knew it would fail as it was a known issue, and took it right back in and said “id like to exchange this unscratched like new phone for a BB”. They had no room to move because I was following the rules this time. So moral of the story, you may have to exchange for a new Note then trade for a BB based on the new unscratched note not performing. It’s a long PITA, and be ready to argue about those restocking charges that AT&T love to charge.
Chief Geek said:
Gorilla glass is a alkali-aluminosilicate glass, which is just fancy talk for chemically treated glass, so any plastic methods may or may not work, depending on how they work. I came from the Samsung Vibrant which has GG and I remembered this thread on XDA. It’s far beyond just a small scratch and the fix isn’t perfect, but it shows what can be done. There are down sides to doing this obviously.
As for the swap, I’ve ran into the same situation before and encountered snags. I went to exchange BB for a palm phone for a BB. The palm I had wouldn’t connect to BT in my car, refused to sync regularly, and a host of other problems. Well it has a small knick in the corner so they said they couldn’t exchange it for a BB. So I told them fine, I want a new one because this one doesn’t work right. They upheld their end of the bargain and did the exchange. I walked outside, attempted to connect to BT which I knew it would fail as it was a known issue, and took it right back in and said “id like to exchange this unscratched like new phone for a BB”. They had no room to move because I was following the rules this time. So moral of the story, you may have to exchange for a new Note then trade for a BB based on the new unscratched note not performing. It’s a long PITA, and be ready to argue about those restocking charges that AT&T love to charge.
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I think he meant BB as in Best Buy, not Blackberry, not that it really matters. And thanks for posting the link to that thread, I knew it was around one of the galaxy forums, just didn't remember which one.
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I think he meant BB as in Best Buy, not Blackberry, not that it really matters. And thanks for posting the link to that thread, I knew it was around one of the galaxy forums, just didn't remember which one.
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Ahh, I see, just assumed the Black Tie was a recent BlackBerry release, I avoid best buy at all costs so I'm not up on their lingo.
dakleenupman said:
Reason i ask is, i recently swapped out my first GNote for a second to see if the replacement would get better benchmark numbers and on the second day of ownership i managed to scratch the screen. I remember that Megiures has a plastic polish to remove scratches from convertible top windows that are plastic. Versus taking this one back for a new one (BB black tie), I wanted to try and remove the scratches.
Any thoughts or experiences you may have is welcomed.
Thanks!
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I've done some research on this and there's really no way to remove visible glass scratches. HOWEVER, often times if the scratch isn't too deep your average screen protector will 'seal' the scratch (fill it with the thin film of adhesive coating that most of them come with). I imagine this would also be true of the glass type protectors.
It depends on how deep the scratch is, but when I put a hairline scratch on my iPhone 4 a good clear screen protector 'erased' it and I'd forgotten it was there until I pulled it off recently.
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I've done some research on this and there's really no way to remove visible glass scratches. HOWEVER, often times if the scratch isn't too deep your average screen protector will 'seal' the scratch (fill it with the thin film of adhesive coating that most of them come with). I imagine this would also be true of the glass type protectors.
It depends on how deep the scratch is, but when I put a hairline scratch on my iPhone 4 a good clear screen protector 'erased' it and I'd forgotten it was there until I pulled it off recently.
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The reason it seems to fill it is actually quite the oppisite. A small scratch is actually difficult to see. It's when it collects dirt and grime that it really starts screaming at you. Buy cleaning the screen (always first step in applying SP), you are effectivly minimizing the gunk in it, then preventing any future gunk plus applying a surface for eyes to gravitate to rather then the scratch. This helped alot on my ipod touch which saw alot of abuse getting passed around to the wife and other people playing with it in the living room.
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Gorilla glass is a alkali-aluminosilicate glass, which is just fancy talk for chemically treated glass, so any plastic methods may or may not work, depending on how they work. I came from the Samsung Vibrant which has GG and I remembered this thread on XDA. It’s far beyond just a small scratch and the fix isn’t perfect, but it shows what can be done. There are down sides to doing this obviously.
As for the swap, I’ve ran into the same situation before and encountered snags. I went to exchange BB for a palm phone for a BB. The palm I had wouldn’t connect to BT in my car, refused to sync regularly, and a host of other problems. Well it has a small knick in the corner so they said they couldn’t exchange it for a BB. So I told them fine, I want a new one because this one doesn’t work right. They upheld their end of the bargain and did the exchange. I walked outside, attempted to connect to BT which I knew it would fail as it was a known issue, and took it right back in and said “id like to exchange this unscratched like new phone for a BB”. They had no room to move because I was following the rules this time. So moral of the story, you may have to exchange for a new Note then trade for a BB based on the new unscratched note not performing. It’s a long PITA, and be ready to argue about those restocking charges that AT&T love to charge.
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Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I will not be doing what was suggested on that post. For all that, I might as well just return and exchange.
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dakleenupman said:
Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I will not be doing what was suggested on that post. For all that, I might as well just return and exchange.
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No offense to you, or anything, but that seems EXTREMELY unethical to switch out a $600 phone just because you scratched it... there's no reason to return it, you are the one that scratched it....
pl0xn00b said:
No offense to you, or anything, but that seems EXTREMELY unethical to switch out a $600 phone just because you scratched it... there's no reason to return it, you are the one that scratched it....
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Lots of people on here for some reason think AT&T owes them an exchange for their own ignorance.
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The reason it seems to fill it is actually quite the oppisite. A small scratch is actually difficult to see. It's when it collects dirt and grime that it really starts screaming at you. Buy cleaning the screen (always first step in applying SP), you are effectivly minimizing the gunk in it, then preventing any future gunk plus applying a surface for eyes to gravitate to rather then the scratch. This helped alot on my ipod touch which saw alot of abuse getting passed around to the wife and other people playing with it in the living room.
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Cleaning prior to applying a SP is good advice, but I'm not talking about grime in a scratch. You can see some glass scratches regardless of dirt (whether it's on the surface in good light or deep enough to see with the display on).
After the screen is cleaned, the adhesive coating of the screen protector fills the small furrow so your eye doesn't see the light being diffracted by the edges that have been etched (scratched) into the glass. The general concept is used to 'fix' larger glass cracks and chips with epoxy/resin when replacing the whole thing is not possible or worthwhile.
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No offense to you, or anything, but that seems EXTREMELY unethical to switch out a $600 phone just because you scratched it... there's no reason to return it, you are the one that scratched it....
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I completely agree with you. But since im paying Best Buy per month for accidental coverage snd they offer it full well knowing things like this occur, ill gladly get my moneys worth.
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Hi all,
I wonder if anybody has managed to get cracked screen replaced under warranty as its supposed to be this all singing all dancing wonderfully strong glass.
I have never managed to crack a screen before and I now have a hairline fracture across the top.
Surely they overegging their products if there are all these cracked screens.
Also has anybody seen these screens for the wonderful £60 mentioned in the repairing tutorial they all seem to be nearer £130 now.
£130 will be the price of a s/h SG2 when the SG3 comes out prob. I might just wait a bit.
Thanks
Dred.
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Surely they overegging their products if there are all these cracked screens.
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"They" are overegging nothing. Gorilla glass is excellent - look at all the smashed iphone screens around.
However, it's not indestructable. It's marketed as "scratch resistant" - not scratch proof and not crack proof. Enough pressure on the screen - any screen -and it will crack, as you have discovered. As indeed did I, but expected nothing else after a tram ran over my old SGS2...
I got a replacement via my insurance. Didn't bother checking to see if it was covered by warranty, because in my case I didn't have a leg to stand on.
Can't see anyone replacing a broken screen unde warranty, but different suppliers=different rules.
FWIW, my PMP (Cowon S9) with Gorilla glass has add umpteen drops and all other sorts of no-nos - sand, keys, you name it. Three years on, not a mark on it.
Gorilla glass is never advertised as crack proof, its scratch resistance.
Gorilla glass 2 is thinner but same strength.
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There must be quite a few judging by tutorials and replacement glasses and whole lcds on ebay. There is a whole thread on Droids and Gorilla glass cracks.
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"They" are overegging nothing. Gorilla glass is excellent - look at all the smashed iphone screens around.
However, it's not indestructable. It's marketed as "scratch resistant" - not scratch proof and not crack proof. Enough pressure on the screen - any screen -and it will crack, as you have discovered. As indeed did I, but expected nothing else after a tram ran over my old SGS2...
I got a replacement via my insurance. Didn't bother checking to see if it was covered by warranty, because in my case I didn't have a leg to stand on.
Can't see anyone replacing a broken screen unde warranty, but different suppliers=different rules.
FWIW, my PMP (Cowon S9) with Gorilla glass has add umpteen drops and all other sorts of no-nos - sand, keys, you name it. Three years on, not a mark on it.
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Yeah but my desire got dropped and just in general use nothing happened and nor did any of my other phones.
This sg2 gets dropped and its toast. I have had an XDA1 which has faired better than this.
I don't expect indestructable, I wasn't blending it
They advertise it as tough glass, which I think it isn't particularly. My screen is scratched, and I make sure no keys or coins etc.. go in the same pocket.
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There must be quite a few judging by tutorials and replacement glasses and whole lcds on ebay. There is a whole thread on Droids and Gorilla glass cracks.
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Yeah, right..... 20 million sold, therefore ebay and some threads=loads cracked.
Don't slag off the glass - you cracked your phone, live with it. You're not the first and you won't be the last. £130 is a bargain.... over £230 where I live
Out of curiosity, how did you crack it?
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Yeah but my desire got dropped and just in general use nothing happened and nor did any of my other phones.
This sg2 gets dropped and its toast. I have had an XDA1 which has faired better than this.
I don't expect indestructable, I wasn't blending it
They advertise it as tough glass, which I think it isn't particularly. My screen is scratched, and I make sure no keys or coins etc.. go in the same pocket.
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The factors of height, landing surface and angle the phone make contact with the landing surface are very important on whether your phone's screen survives a drop. The least important factor is the material the screen is made from.
You will hear stories of the same brand of phone being dropped from a couple of centimetres to a couple of metres onto sufaces from carpet to concrete. Plenty have survived what would normally be considered a dead cert to smash the screen and didn't.
It is tough glass, but remember that it is glass and glass breaks.
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Yeah, right..... 20 million sold, therefore ebay and some threads=loads cracked.
Don't slag off the glass - you cracked your phone, live with it. You're not the first and you won't be the last. £130 is a bargain.... over £230 where I live
Out of curiosity, how did you crack it?
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Thank you for your kind help. I have no choice but to replace it. I wanted to gauge the extent of this cracking whilst minor droppage occurs.
I have friends taking the p1ss because I have managed to break "really strong gorilla glass".
I was getting my son out of the car and he pulled on the headphones and it dropped from waist height and has a hairline crack on the glass.
The extent of the problems looked fairly large after bothering to google for it. I know I shouldn't feed the troll but what research have you done in to it. I expect none. Apart from yours haven't broken - wow you must be a scientist.
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The factors of height, landing surface and angle the phone make contact with the landing surface are very important on whether your phone's screen survives a drop. The least important factor is the material the screen is made from.
You will hear stories of the same brand of phone being dropped from a couple of centimetres to a couple of metres onto sufaces from carpet to concrete. Plenty have survived what would normally be considered a dead cert to smash the screen and didn't.
It is tough glass, but remember that it is glass and glass breaks.
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This is why I am asking really. If you blow on it and it breaks then I want to know from a warranty perspective. The material on the SG2 might be particularly brittle or on a certain batch.
Thanks for the replies all
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Thank you for your kind help. I have no choice but to replace it. I wanted to gauge the extent of this cracking whilst minor droppage occurs.
I have friends taking the p1ss because I have managed to break "really strong gorilla glass".
I was getting my son out of the car and he pulled on the headphones and it dropped from waist height and has a hairline crack on the glass.
The extent of the problems looked fairly large after bothering to google for it. I know I shouldn't feed the troll but what research have you done in to it. I expect none. Apart from yours haven't broken - wow you must be a scientist.
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Doctor, actually, but I also lecture in Physiology and some Biochem - scientific enough? Or would you prefer my A level in Physics? Both disqualify me from glass stress mechanisms....
Your sarcasm, hilarious as it is, is sadly pointless. And as I stated clearly, I did smash the screen on a previous device.
As fred_up states, there are many factors to account for when you drop your phone. My brother dropped his SGS1 from about 15 cm height. But it landed on the corner of a kerbstone, so it cracked bigtime. I've dropped mine flat onto gravel from about 2m up - screen was spotless, some chips on the "chrome".
Horses for courses. You were unlucky. Tried your insurance?
I know you must be getting annoyed now but, is it a crack, or a deep scratch
I got two nice scratches near the speaker Courtesy mom and wife and their earrings, so now I put on
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i neva go wiv ads ,the drop videos showing "wooow the screens really gr8"
m8 if the thing has to break then it will...its jus sometimes we get lucky,so get it replaced instead of reading more posts........goood luck
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I know you must be getting annoyed now but, is it a crack, or a deep scratch
I got two nice scratches near the speaker Courtesy mom and wife and their earrings, so now I put on
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Hairline fracture underneath the surface is how I would describe it.
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i neva go wiv ads ,the drop videos showing "wooow the screens really gr8"
m8 if the thing has to break then it will...its jus sometimes we get lucky,so get it replaced instead of reading more posts........goood luck
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Too true I suppose. Just that if someone advertises something then one has a right to be annoyed. I would be far less annoyed if it had a glass screen on it and not a "corning gorilla glass" screen.
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Doctor, actually, but I also lecture in Physiology and some Biochem - scientific enough? Or would you prefer my A level in Physics? Both disqualify me from glass stress mechanisms....
Your sarcasm, hilarious as it is, is sadly pointless. And as I stated clearly, I did smash the screen on a previous device.
As fred_up states, there are many factors to account for when you drop your phone. My brother dropped his SGS1 from about 15 cm height. But it landed on the corner of a kerbstone, so it cracked bigtime. I've dropped mine flat onto gravel from about 2m up - screen was spotless, some chips on the "chrome".
Horses for courses. You were unlucky. Tried your insurance?
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I was only pointing out the non-scientific nature of both of our methods - Doc
Anyway - the bleedin excess would be more than its worth.
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I was only pointing out the non-scientific nature of both of our methods - Doc
Anyway - the bleedin excess would be more than its worth.
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Depends - give insurance companies enough grief, be strong and do not give an inch, and they'll pay to be rid of the hassle
I'm good at that - probably why my car is now insured in my wife's name - they wised up.....
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Depends - give insurance companies enough grief, be strong and do not give an inch, and they'll pay to be rid of the hassle
I'm good at that - probably why my car is now insured in my wife's name - they wised up.....
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I irritate enough people here. Think how irritating I can be when there's money at stake. I'm a Tyke...
Lets just say you were unluckly that your screen cracked, as i and many people have been luckly, but for your warranty covering a cracked screen you can only but ask. I personaly think that it wont be covered, as the idea is to cover faults by samsung not your bad luck.
I couldn't help notice yor argument started to delve into science.
Glass is a brittle material and so it can take many fatal blows without showing any signs of damage. But one day a minor impact which would usually have no effect on a brand new piece will be the straw the broke the camel's back. This is because the fatal blows which it suffered previously will have left considerable damage only visible on a microscopic level. This explains why one guy can have his phone fall down the stairs many times and survive but have the screen break because "he blew on it" as Dredwaker put it.
Laboratory tests and can ensure that manufacturing is consistent but real-life will throw in many unexpected variables and odds.
Mech. Engineering student, I know some stuff but not everything
AFAIK, the warranty does not cover physical damages to the phone.
No manufacturer services a device with physical damages on warranty terms, unless resistance to physical stress is in product requirements.
But one day a minor impact which would usually have no effect on a brand new piece will be the straw the broke the camel's back.
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Fractures have tendency to propagate on glass. Any stress, including usual usage in this case, touching, vibration, etc. will propagate it further.
I remember cracking my LCD screen on laptop. At first it was barely a point, I did not touch the screen or apply any pressure, but only from opening-closing the lid+vibration, in a few days almost the whole screen was black.
It is very thin...I wonder if we will have any problem with bending or cracking the screen from bending by carrying it in your pocket??
Any thoughts??
Don't think so. Maybe if you put it in your back pocket and sit on it but its still a solid piece. When you look at the Evo 4G the phone is 2 pieces and actually has a week spot but i doubt the Note 2 would just bend or crack without considerable force. Just my opinion.
I would like to believe that this is a nonissue. Have you heard any of the OG notes breaking from being bent? Every review I have seen has said that this is a sturdy device.
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I would like to believe that this is a nonissue. Have you heard any of the OG notes breaking from being bent? Every review I have seen has said that this is a sturdy device.
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No, I have not heard of any notes breaking. It just felt delicate to me...I'm sure it will be just fine. Can't wait!!
I would be very careful with this. I did see a post in another thread somewhere about a broken screen.
I work with a guy that has a Casio Commando with a broken screen. So....
Take a sheet of plastic and see how easily you can bend it. Doesn't take too much flex to break thin glass.
Anyway. If I get this, I'll for sure be looking for a sturdy case for it.
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No, I have not heard of any notes breaking. It just felt delicate to me...I'm sure it will be just fine. Can't wait!!
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People said the same thing with the S3. Most likely because of the plastic feel.
If someone puts it in their back pocket and is well a bigger person, there is a risk or if they fall hard on their backside then that could break it.
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If someone puts it in their back pocket and is well a bigger person, there is a risk or if they fall hard on their backside then that could break it.
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That kind of force will likely damage any device.
I know I've read/seen reports of the S3 casing having small fractures appear that don't functionally hurt the device, but just creep you out a little...so I thought I would search for reports of similar on the Note II. I can't find any even though I was under the impression the casing is similar material.
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I know I've read/seen reports of the S3 casing having small fractures appear that don't functionally hurt the device, but just creep you out a little...so I thought I would search for reports of similar on the Note II. I can't find any even though I was under the impression the casing is similar material.
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Yeah, they are the same material. People have reported random scratching on the metal parts from purchase and also scratches on the lens. I have yet to see something like this for the n2 from
What you are talking about though
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It is very thin...I wonder if we will have any problem with bending or cracking the screen from bending by carrying it in your pocket??
Any thoughts??
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If you are worried about it there are many vendors selling aluminum case backs in many different colors which would certainly make it stronger.
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If you are worried about it there are many vendors selling aluminum case backs in many different colors which would certainly make it stronger.
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Why would anyone want to compromise their radio signal and reception by adding a metal back for aesthetics?
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Why would anyone want to compromise their radio signal and reception by adding a metal back for aesthetics?
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I wouldn't do it and certainly not for aesthetic reasons. I mentioned it for those who were concerned about whether or not the phone is sturdy enough with a plastic back. I have read comments from those who have installed these aluminum backs that they did not degrade the radio signal but those were subjective opinions I'm sure.
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It is very thin...I wonder if we will have any problem with bending or cracking the screen from bending by carrying it in your pocket??
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I watched the samsung testing facility video. They bend these devices quite a bit. It wasn't in English, but it didn't need to be. Its plastic for a reason. I've had my nexus fall 3 times while running on a treadmill. Sure the battery falls out... but not a scratch on the device and works just fine still. I had a Moto Razr Maxx HD which is, well, metal. I feel like that would crack the screen if its dropped before the nexus would.
Plastic has a lot more flex to it than glass (obviously), so any slight bends to the phone shouldn't be much of an issue.
I bought a Nexus hoping that this device will last me for years to come.
But I am having doubts that if it will last long without a cover.
I decided not to put a cover on the phone just to make the phone always look good and not be one of those people who are always scared of getting scratches on their phone. However, just after 1 month of usage, the phone is literally having marks and scratches everywhere on the phone (including the visor) except the screen.
Even my 5 and 4 year old Samsung Galaxy 3 and Note 1 which never had a cover either don't have these many scratches, even today.
Why you let me down Huawei?
Is putting a cover the only option I have got?
Hi there,
I have my 6P for 10 months now with case 100% of the time.
Does it help? No.
When I take out the phone, I can see small scratches and dents. This is because some dust particles get in from time to time. This way when the case and the phone move a little touching each other, the surface of the phone is scratched.
It is disappointing.
I have my note 3 which haven't been in a case and it's more than 3 years old now, and does not have so many marks in the back.
This trend to make devices all metal is the dummest thing ever. At least they can put on some coating on the metal or something. :/
This is by far the most fragile phone I've ever had.
I've had mine since Nov 9th 2015. It's been in a case and a tempered glass screen protector since then. Just took it out and it's still mint. No scratches or anything. I also got the graphite.
Agreed, fragile AF!!!! LOL bent two of them in pocket without even doing anything extreme and i dont even wear jeans i wear comfy chinos. LOL so yeah got replacements for those.
TBH i've never seen anyone able to keep their phone in pristine condition with no case. granted they're probably more careful. But AFAIK, the moment they drop it there goes the phone. personally, I'm clumsy enough to warrant a case so i invested in a good Spigen one (see signature) and promptly dropped it on rough tarmac a week into ownership. I'd say if i had no case on, I'd have lost this phone.
Regarding your scratches on your phone, yes. This is aluminum. It's a soft metal. What are you expecting? Have you seen a pristine no case iPhone? This isn't really a "fault". A little bit of adjusting of expectations is in order. I personally like the polycarbonate that I had on my HTC one X of old. Even Samsung's plastic doesn't hold as well against the strength of polycarbonate.
Okay maybe 6p is not the toughest phone around, but comparing it with old samsung devices made of plastic is plain stupid. Its fricking aluminium, soft metal, show me one metal phone without scratches, i can assure you, you cant.
Better to have marks than totally broken phone. I dont use or even have case and I have dropped mine a few times and its not bad. A few marks here on the edges and there and tempered glass has saved the screen once. I have noticed I have much better luck with screens being ok after drops with aluminum phones than I had with plastic ones that always got broken screen when dropped even from low height.
I agree is a bit sensitive, a little flower if you wanna go there.
But it's our responsibility to keep it safe knowing this. I also wanted to use mine naked as it looks better and lighter this way, but it's so prone to on falling and hitting on something that I won't take the chance.
You can get good looking cases as well, Spigen for example looks good and protects it good.
Yeah kills a bit the aspect and gets slightly heavier, but it adds to protection and it's worth it.
Occasionally remove it and clean it to dust it off particles that enter occasionally.
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TBH i've never seen anyone able to keep their phone in pristine condition with no case. granted they're probably more careful. But AFAIK, the moment they drop it there goes the phone. personally, I'm clumsy enough to warrant a case so i invested in a good Spigen one (see signature) and promptly dropped it on rough tarmac a week into ownership. I'd say if i had no case on, I'd have lost this phone.
Regarding your scratches on your phone, yes. This is aluminum. It's a soft metal. What are you expecting? Have you seen a pristine no case iPhone? This isn't really a "fault". A little bit of adjusting of expectations is in order. I personally like the polycarbonate that I had on my HTC one X of old. Even Samsung's plastic doesn't hold as well against the strength of polycarbonate.
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True, but the old phones were quite sturdy, and by old I don't mean Nokia 3310, I mean Androids that came out till the 4.4 era.
Check out the photo of my attached I5800.
Not a single scratch on the screen, only the silver plating has come off.
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True, but the old phones were quite sturdy, and by old I don't mean Nokia 3310, I mean Androids that came out till the 4.4 era.
Check out the photo of my attached I5800.
Not a single scratch on the screen, only the silver plating has come off.
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I dont agree. In the past I always had to change my screen once or phone was full of marks if I didnt cover phone in some kind of casing. Now I dont even bother using a case as the last time I broke a screen from a phone was with Note 2 that I dropped into a puddle on asphalt. For example I had really really bad luck with my M8 like slipping a couple of times and it flew many meters high and landed face down and nothing. A few tempered screens but nothing else than some cosmetic marks. I feel the newer are much much better built than the phones like SGS2, Galaxy Nexus, Desire series etc etc.
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True, but the old phones were quite sturdy, and by old I don't mean Nokia 3310, I mean Androids that came out till the 4.4 era.
Check out the photo of my attached I5800.
Not a single scratch on the screen, only the silver plating has come off.
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that silver plating that has come off is the equivalent to any scratches you find on the back of the phone from putting/taking out of your pockets. It's just normal wear and tear. We need to keep in mind the material strength of the metal/plastic/polycarbonate/glass. The 6p's screen uses Corning gorilla glass 4. That stuff is virtually unscratchable from normal use. Of course you're not going to find much scuffs there compared to its soft aluminum body.
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True, but the old phones were quite sturdy, and by old I don't mean Nokia 3310, I mean Androids that came out till the 4.4 era.
Check out the photo of my attached I5800.
Not a single scratch on the screen, only the silver plating has come off.
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Wait a minute. I'm confused lol. You said the 6P is the most fragile phone you've ever used but now the damage or color loss in that pic is clearly worse. Not sure if trolling or...
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that silver plating that has come off is the equivalent to any scratches you find on the back of the phone from putting/taking out of your pockets. It's just normal wear and tear. We need to keep in mind the material strength of the metal/plastic/polycarbonate/glass. The 6p's screen uses Corning gorilla glass 4. That stuff is virtually unscratchable from normal use. Of course you're not going to find much scuffs there compared to its soft aluminum body.
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I am not talking about the screen, that thing is literally unscratched.
The rest of the phone is pretty weak though.
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Mate, that's a 5 year old phone.
This is a 1 month old phone.
Well as mentioned it is aluminum. By nature, it's a very soft metal. Think soda can. Obviously it isn't going to be indestructible like some older plastic phones you mentioned earlier. If you're looking for a tank of a phone, maybe you should have considered something else. Nexus line was never really meant to be "premium" and has always been cheaper than other highly marketed flagships. Like mentioned earlier, maybe managing expectations based on this info which has always been the case is in order. I get that you don't like it, so maybe your best bet is to sell and get another phone? I can't speak to the Nexus 6, but I've had my Nexus 5 since launch 2013 and it is still in mint condition. For that I only use the bumper case (wraps around the phone, doesn't cover the back) and still no small wear and tear scratches. Just one big one that I accidentally did with a razor blade.
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I am not talking about the screen, that thing is literally unscratched.
The rest of the phone is pretty weak though.
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It's no different from any other aluminum phone. you can't expect it to be as resistant as plastic... we've been trying to tell you this. I really am not sure what you are expecting an aluminum body to be.
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Well as mentioned it is aluminum. By nature, it's a very soft metal. Think soda can. Obviously it isn't going to be indestructible like some older plastic phones you mentioned earlier. If you're looking for a tank of a phone, maybe you should have considered something else. Nexus line was never really meant to be "premium" and has always been cheaper than other highly marketed flagships. Like mentioned earlier, maybe managing expectations based on this info which has always been the case is in order. I get that you don't like it, so maybe your best bet is to sell and get another phone? I can't speak to the Nexus 6, but I've had my Nexus 5 since launch 2013 and it is still in mint condition. For that I only use the bumper case (wraps around the phone, doesn't cover the back) and still no small wear and tear scratches. Just one big one that I accidentally did with a razor blade.
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Yes, I get it now.
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It's no different from any other aluminum phone. you can't expect it to be as resistant as plastic... we've been trying to tell you this. I really am not sure what you are expecting an aluminum body to be.
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Titanium.
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Titanium.
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Well in that case it would be exactly as expensive as other flagships. :silly:
Little heavier, too.
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Titanium.
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i would jump on that phone LOL
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Well in that case it would be exactly as expensive as other flagships. :silly:
Little heavier, too.
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Doesn't matter. **** will be the best phone ever.
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i would jump on that phone LOL
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I would sell everything I have for it.
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Doesn't matter. **** will be the best phone ever.
I would sell everything I have for it.
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You also have to take into account that Titanium isn't as effective as aluminum when it comes to heat transfer, so you'd have a warmer phone which would suffer from higher amounts of thermal throttling.