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Hey guys,
New to the board, new to the Ray. I used to frequent the Arc, Play, Nexus S, and Desire S boards under a different user name but I've not posted in a while so I've since forgotten my User info, so thought I'd make a new one.
Anyways...
I got my Ray, bought it out unlocked, and unlocked the boot loader. I was really excited to get my Cyanogen on and enjoy this beautiful device. Only...Cyanogen Rom for the Ray is HORRIBLE. The Camcorder is broken, the live wallpapers option is non-existant, and the control widget is completely useless for brightness control. Seriously, WTF is wrong with that ROM its is absolute garbage.
I can understand the Ice Cream Sandwich ROM being bug ridden, its early time, but at the very least I expected Cyanogen 7 to be fully functional. Geez.
Those are the only 2 ROMS I've tried so far, the rest look boring. MIUI I am not interested in, and outside anything that slightly alters the Stock firmware there is NOTHING AVAILABLE?
Where are the ROMS? Where is the support? Where are the quality developers?
All we have are half backed ideas, ROMS that don't work properly, and nothing else.
Maybe we should start up a fund and maybe donate a few Rays to some good developers that can actually provide because at this point, there is no point in using anything other then Stock Firmware.
The Ray is a capable device, similar to the Arc, there should be more support. I miss the great support that the Nexus S and the Desire S recieved. Especially the Desire S, the Developer from that board are truly amazing. Proxuser and Super kid were really really good developers, and we need developers like them who dedicate the time needed for quality ROMS. Our support is a joke compared to what they have, and I think we need to either put up some money or some incentive, like maybe donating a few Rays, to get the ball rolling.
I agree with you, it's pretty disappointing.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the differences between Ray and Arc are minimal, so it's quite surprising that Arc gets tons of support and Ray gets basically nothing. Even more that inferior devices such as the Minis are more supported. Maybe the device is not selling well and not many people have it? I don't know.
Obviously I'm just a tinkerer and not a developer, so I don't know how hard it could be to port Arc stuff to Ray, but yeah, this devices needs more support. How to get it? I have no idea.
I think the stock rom is pretty good, I don't find any major problem with it, it look pretty good and it's decently fast (with Supercharger it's much better), so for now I don't really feel the need to install an unofficial one.
Also, many Arc mods to the interface work on Ray too, so check out those forums too and see if there is something you like. I installed the Xperia styled torch widget and the modded battery icon (with percentage) from the Arc board and they worked fine.
MarkMRL said:
I agree with you, it's pretty disappointing.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the differences between Ray and Arc are minimal, so it's quite surprising that Arc gets tons of support and Ray gets basically nothing. Even more that inferior devices such as the Minis are more supported. Maybe the device is not selling well and not many people have it? I don't know.
Obviously I'm just a tinkerer and not a developer, so I don't know how hard it could be to port Arc stuff to Ray, but yeah, this devices needs more support. How to get it? I have no idea.
I think the stock rom is pretty good, I don't find any major problem with it, it look pretty good and it's decently fast (with Supercharger it's much better), so for now I don't really feel the need to install an unofficial one.
Also, many Arc mods to the interface work on Ray too, so check out those forums too and see if there is something you like. I installed the Xperia styled torch widget and the modded battery icon (with percentage) from the Arc board and they worked fine.
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Re-reading my initial post I may have sounded a bit harsh. Its just very very disappointing coming from a device that had a TON of support to one that has virtually none.
I will take your advice and check out some of the Arc's mods.
I've owned a ton of Android devices (Xperia x10, Captivate, 2 Xperia Arcs, Nexus S, another Xperia Arc, HTC Desire Z, HTC Desire S, and finally the Xperia Ray) and this is by far the worst support I've ever seen.
Adreno said:
Re-reading my initial post I may have sounded a bit harsh. Its just very very disappointing coming from a device that had a TON of support to one that has virtually none.
I will take your advice and check out some of the Arc's mods.
I've owned a ton of Android devices (Xperia x10, Captivate, 2 Xperia Arcs, Nexus S, another Xperia Arc, HTC Desire Z, HTC Desire S, and finally the Xperia Ray) and this is by far the worst support I've ever seen.
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I agree with you!...even my previous worst phone...Se X8...got tons of support ...i am really disappointed seeing Ray being put aside...
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What are you guys on anyway? The X8, since it was mentioned, was released 1 year ago. With 1.6 on it... there have been, what 4 different versions? And Gingerbread is sub par on it.
Regarding Adreno's note on HTC Devices.... As you are aware HTC makes phones for many companies, including T-mobile and Google. So most of these devices have almost the same internals. Hence development on those devices is really easy (you just copy paste files from one rom to another and bam you got your kang).
So on to the Ray... It was released 4 months ago. It has a different screen than most phones (480x854) so porting any generic rom onto it requires some smali editing skills. And... There is NO AOSP release for Xperia devices... at least so far. What makes other devices so "different" than the Xperia's is that some of them have been build on AOSP.
For example the DesireZ - Tmobile G2. One has Sense, the other is built on AOSP. So you have 2 completely different builds for the same device.
And some food for thought... Sony Ericsson needs about 6 months, an enormous team of developers and a ****load of money to build their own Firmware based on Already released Code. What makes you think you will see something "new" from some amateurs in less than 6 months time?
Yes i have built my "own" Rom based on the Stock Rom for the Xperia Active. I dont even consider my self an amateur. I am a total noob.
So, to finish this rant, since development for these devices is young, yet the android system as it is, is quite mature, I would recommend you to assist the people who have already developed a Rom for the Ray, in order to make something good from it. Creating a Thread in the development section, complaining about the development being "dissapointing"... then i rest my case.
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dumraden said:
So, to finish this rant, since development for these devices is young, yet the android system as it is, is quite mature, I would recommend you to assist the people who have already developed a Rom for the Ray, in order to make something good from it. Creating a Thread in the development section, complaining about the development being "dissapointing"... then i rest my case.
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I personally don't want "assisting" of the developers that have been working on the Ray thus far, as I said my original post I don't believe that they are up to the job.
I want to entice more talented developers. What can we do to bring experienced developers that know what they are doing to the Ray?
At this point, rooting and unlocking the bootloader is pretty pointless. You are screwing yourself out of over the air updates, and there is nothing that can fill the void from the development community thus far. What. is. the. point.
This is where you are wrong.
What do you actually want from a Rom? Speed? Stability? Battery Life?
I have managed to do all these with no real coding at all. The Xperia Active with DooMLoRD's Kernel and various tweaks that i found on XDA, when on max OC ranks between the Sensation and the SGS2. Both are Dual core with a far better GPU than the Adreno 205. Oh and the OC is completely bulletproof.
For the time being, the best developers for these devices is Sony herself. It is stable, and battery efficient. You on the other hand can make it more "personalized" and fitting to your needs... Gaming-browsing... whatever...
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This is where you are wrong.
What do you actually want from a Rom?
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Even if I had just Cyanogen working properly I'd be happy.
On the Desire S board Superkid had Ice Cream Sandwich ported (AOSP) to the desire S within 2 weeks, only being able to work on it on the weekends. Thats like 6 days.
On top of that, he had everything working flawlessly other than the camera by week 3.
Thats the kind of development I am talking about. Imagine how hard that was.
We don't have anything like that over here.
No it wasnt that hard. I say again. You need to be able to edit THE WHOLE DAMN BASE, if you want it in a different resolution than the one it was intended.
Yes some guys are simply amazing at what they do, but as i said earlier, most HTC devices use the same chipsets, boards, cpu's, modems etc. Sony uses a board (codenamed mogami i think) specific to the mini's. It uses a different one for the Ray, Play etc.
You will almost never have something like that. Be happy that the Cyanogenmod Team is actually working on these devices.
Hell, the mini's dont even have a MIUI build. Its either CM7 or Stock. But honestly i couldnt care less. I got bored of flashing a new rom every 2 weeks, just to see nothing different. The only difference was Sense 2.1 Sense 3.0 Sense 3.5. The rest ROMS use the same old AOSP build with an ADW launcher or a LPP on top... Big deal.
Now if someone gets sense on these devices... i'd be impressed
Complaint/rant threads about developers are not allowed at XDA. If you want something done, make it happen!
Hi @all,
until the Xperia P got certified at ptcrb and now some got it unpacked I wanted to know if somebody could provide the firmware as a ftf file?!
I don't think anyone dumped it yet. Sony doesn't give review units to anyone who asks, you know.
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What does this have to do with Xperia S?
There is no Xperia P Forum so I have to post it on Xperia S.
Like some older Post to the Xperia S were postet in the Xperia Arc forum.
That´s the reason.
This came little late, I had a prototype in hand.
Ahhh right that's cool. What's the xperia p like man? Better than the S?
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Game-Modo said:
Ahhh right that's cool. What's the xperia p like man? Better than the S?
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For some reason it was lighter than I expected.
I felt screen was nicer than S (it was brighter with more vibrant colors), but I didn't have both at the same time to compare.
Battery life was OK.
This was prototype and crashing as the software wasn't the retail version but just test one.
Front Camera is VGA but 1.3 on S isn't impressive either.
Things I like:
It fits better in hand rather being bulkier like S.
Screen was nice
Uni-body is really nice
No stupid Flap is totally a plus+++
I loved the power button on the right, need to get used to it but once you do..it makes the whole sense in the world.
Bottom part under transparent strip could have been smaller, at least like S. and that part in this model was plastic for some reason. I thought the whole body is aluminum?
I think 4" size screen is perfect.
Quadrant score I got was about 2200
Those three buttons are on the transparent strip which may be cool. At least they are more visible where they are.
And this model didn't have yellow tint issue and also it was Sony Ericsson. I think more of an earlier built.
Again, uni-body with no flap was awesome and very nice. Phone looks sexy and even sexier than all the videos I had seen before have the actual Xperia P.
Didn't like the speaker...it sounded weird.
anyone here with access to EMMA? Didn't see any Lt26a but there is Lt22i and Lt22a listed.
I hope these info becomes hand .
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Didn't like the speaker...it sounded weird.
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It's from Sony and it's got weird speakers?!
Maybe because it's a prototype version.
neofactor.is3 said:
It's from Sony and it's got weird speakers?!
Maybe because it's a prototype version.
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Maybe you should have read couple post above my last post
I owned recently Sony high end laptop Z series and speaker is as bad as the early production in 90s.
Lets hope retail version is better.
i have the chinese version of the LT22i(Xperia P), it went on sale here in China on April 29th, can anyone guide me how to do it, googling didn't get me far, i would love to provide the ROM for you guys,
That would be awesome if you could provide the firmware...
Slightly off topic, but do we think there will be an Xperia P forum here? and will it get much Dev love?
L0cke said:
Slightly off topic, but do we think there will be an Xperia P forum here? and will it get much Dev love?
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That is what has stopped me to pre-order them. I believe processor chipset is different and not sure if the Dev, would start working on it.
As far as the forum for Xperia P, there should be one very soon..maybe they are not aware of release in China.
Whats weird is that if phone has gone for sale in China why I don't see in on eBay...usually everything from China goes on there fast.
Nimche said:
That is what has stopped me to pre-order them. I believe processor chipset is different and not sure if the Dev, would start working on it.
As far as the forum for Xperia P, there should be one very soon..maybe they are not aware of release in China.
Whats weird is that if phone has gone for sale in China why I don't see in on eBay...usually everything from China goes on there fast.
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It just went on sale on the 29th. The firmware sucks as google service is banned from the handset. We are stuck with Baidu and no twitter or YouTube or google play
Nimche said:
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anyone here with access to EMMA? Didn't see any Lt26a but there is Lt22i and Lt22a listed.
I hope these info becomes hand .
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i know a few ppl with EMMA access but doesnt it require the device in hand to download the blob_fs?
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i know a few ppl with EMMA access but doesnt it require the device in hand to download the blob_fs?
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First off, I am total n00b when it comes to these stuff. in EMMA there is a section where says Download services and has a long list of devices. I don't see any Lt26a...I don't need to have any devices connected for looking at the list.
These might be totally wrong, but there are some interesting number for later headsets. Only God know what is true with Sony.
Nimche said:
That is what has stopped me to pre-order them. I believe processor chipset is different and not sure if the Dev, would start working on it.
As far as the forum for Xperia P, there should be one very soon..maybe they are not aware of release in China.
Whats weird is that if phone has gone for sale in China why I don't see in on eBay...usually everything from China goes on there fast.
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If I had the money to buy one, I would definitely want to start developing for Xperia P, Xperia U, Xperia Ion or Xperia Sola when they will be released by Sony
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If I had the money to buy one, I would definitely want to start developing for Xperia P, Xperia U, Xperia Ion or Xperia Sola when they will be released by Sony
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hehe... same here...
if they release Xperia P soon here in India my Team UtterChoas co-developer Napstar is VERY MUCH interested in developing for that device
though i am personally waiting for flagship for 2H 2012, hayabusa/mint whatever
DooMLoRD said:
i know a few ppl with EMMA access but doesnt it require the device in hand to download the blob_fs?
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It depends on which access level you have.
Some can only download FW with connected devices and higher levels can download without a device connected to EMMA.
Crash at video record
Hello! The question to the owner sony xperia p - whether exists at record of video a crash? (sorry for my english - google translate) =)
P\S
Look for video on youtube - "Xperia P 1080p indoor.mp4"
There a strange sound on video
I've been doing some research ahead of buying either the Sola or Go (probably Sola) and there seems to a very wide range of reported problems with the Sola. The official Sony forum is a nightmare and yet the phone is so new. I don't want to rely on software updates to fix problems from a launch product. :crying:
But angry people are loud! Have you bought the Sola or Go and are you happy?
On a side note, I notice that dev in these devices is slow. With past Xperias, dev was much faster. Perhaps related to this, I notice rooting is harder, is this the case with most manufacturers? Is Google pushing them to disable easy rooting?
Rooting will be possible soon, and we'll try to do AOKP for all 2012 devices.
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Rooting will be possible soon, and we'll try to do AOKP for all 2012 devices.
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Great, I look forward to it. I did notice Doomlord has done plenty of thing for the S which is a good thing, seeing some of the most talented devs nearby. From there, things can be ported.
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Great, I look forward to it. I did notice Doomlord has done plenty of thing for the S which is a good thing, seeing some of the most talented devs nearby. From there, things can be ported.
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S -> Sola porting is nearly impossible, as at the core those are two very different devices.
Ah yes, the S has the Qualcomm MSM8260 Snapdragon. Some mods might work maybe? I've seen mods spread across the 2010 and 2011 devices quite quickly.
So for porting it's the P, Go and U that also share the NovaThor U8500 I see.
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Ah yes, the S has the Qualcomm MSM8260 Snapdragon. Some mods might work maybe? I've seen mods spread across the 2010 and 2011 devices quite quickly.
So for porting it's the P, Go and U that also share the NovaThor U8500 I see.
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You can port within one board. The 2011 devices had more in common.
Hey guys I have a little question. From the leaks and rumours, I believe the Sony Yuga will be the best out of the 1080p devices... But we all want a Phone thats easy to root and which has a big community of developers. I never had a Sony device so I want to ask you: How was your experience rooting Sony devices like the Xperia T? Is it easy and does Sony support it?
Thanks
Alain
AlainDee said:
Hey guys I have a little question. From the leaks and rumours, I believe the Sony Yuga will be the best out of the 1080p devices... But we all want a Phone thats easy to root and which has a big community of developers. I never had a Sony device so I want to ask you: How was your experience rooting Sony devices like the Xperia T? Is it easy and does Sony support it?
Thanks
Alain
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Sony in general is one of the most developer friendly OEM's out there. There devices never usually ship with an easily lockable bootloader (Except some Verizon devices like the Xperia Play in the past but even that has now been unlocked) that can be unlocked following these instructions as well as other methods. As far as rooting wise they are generally simple and straightforward to root thanks to some great work by people like Bin4ry. Also because of there openness pretty much all of the recent Sony devices have gotten CM10, AOKP, Paranoid Android, etc. in addition to some cool mods and excellent themes. Overall, Sony is very developer friendly and promotes unlocking, rooting and developing.
There are a few rooting methods for the 2012 Xperia range, just head to the devices forum and check them out. There are a few original development Developers for us Xperia owners so rooting has never been much of an issue apart from having to wait for the Devs/members to figure out rooting new FW.
Nice thanks! Well now I know what my next phone will be
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I used to own the Xperia z2 and pencil support for me was an amazing feature. I then upgraded to a z3 and poof the support was gone.
I started thinking alright lemme go for the z2 tablet since it will have pencil support and it will also have remote play.
Now I've got the z2 tablet and I'm extremely happy with it but why oh why did sony add pencil support to their mobile yet their tablet line doesn't get it . You'd think something like this would be even more useful on a tablet.
I've only just bought the tab today so I'm asking is there any way to get pencil support through root?
Surely I can't be the only one who'd like pen support on the z2 tablet or the z3?
Now that the z3 has root also I hope someone will find a way
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Surely I can't be the only one who'd like pen support on the z2 tablet or the z3?
Now that the z3 has root also I hope someone will find a way
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Yes - I bought the Tablet Z2 believing when Sony said there would be pen support.
Lies, just lies.
This thread has links to where Sony made that claim:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2-tablet/help/xperia-tablet-z2-pen-mode-problem-t2958122
Yeah I chose this over the z3 tablet fort that reason. And its sucks that it doesn't work.
Its strange though on the z1 somebody actually found a way through root. Whereas on the z2 tablet and the z3 nobody seems to care about it.
It was definitely one awesome feature that I'd love to have. Ive tried styluses but they are only half as good. The pencil support was so much better.
I hope somebody tries to port over the pen support from z2.
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Sony hasn't added pen support to any of it's tablets. All flagship phones have it's strange when you consider that it would be more useful on a tablet than a phone.