This is my first Samsung and I rooted it straight away with no research assuming a stock ROM would restore warranty but as I've gone to find out it doesn't, but my knox thing is 0x1 can I reset this and the finger scanner doesn't work is this because of root? I'm looking to seel the phone eventually and wanna like reset make it seem as new
After triggering knox there is no known way of reseting it/reverting it back to 0x0 so the only option to make it look like its new is wiping it all clean and flash a new stock rom with odin. As for the fingerprient problem maybe you need to try diferent version, because alot of people reported the same problem after flashing the lolipop.
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barnabyoshea said:
This is my first Samsung and I rooted it straight away with no research assuming a stock ROM would restore warranty but as I've gone to find out it doesn't, but my knox thing is 0x1 can I reset this and the finger scanner doesn't work is this because of root? I'm looking to seel the phone eventually and wanna like reset make it seem as new
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Triggering Knox in (by far) the most cases does not trip warranty *as long as you revert to stock*. It ever reads it quite clearly right there "knox warranty" is tripped, not "phone warranty".
Knox is Samsung's system securing personal data integrity (among other things), once you trip it Samsung cannot "guarantee" for them ... so -yeah- your knox is tripped, you warranty isn't...
So yeah, flash away. This is the third Samsung device that I tripped knox without second thoughts (I even used the warranty to my other two devices with tripped knox)...
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Triggering Knox in (by far) the most cases does not trip warranty *as long as you revert to stock*. It ever reads it quite clearly right there "knox warranty" is tripped, not "phone warranty".
Knox is Samsung's system securing personal data integrity (among other things), once you trip it Samsung cannot "guarantee" for them ... so -yeah- your knox is tripped, you warranty isn't...
So yeah, flash away. This is the third Samsung device that I tripped knox without second thoughts (I even used the warranty to my other two devices with tripped knox)...
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Well, OK. Maybe your country is different, in mine it is as stated. It's possible that property rights are different between different countries (in many/most western countries taking full ownership of a product is fully covered by the warranty, purposefully destroying at product with said ownership is what kills warranty),..
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Triggering Knox in (by far) the most cases does not trip warranty *as long as you revert to stock*. It ever reads it quite clearly right there "knox warranty" is tripped, not "phone warranty".
Knox is Samsung's system securing personal data integrity (among other things), once you trip it Samsung cannot "guarantee" for them ... so -yeah- your knox is tripped, you warranty isn't...
So yeah, flash away. This is the third Samsung device that I tripped knox without second thoughts (I even used the warranty to my other two devices with tripped knox)...
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Thank you for clearing this up for me and the finger print seems to just not worm but ohwell
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I thought that i was going to stay with my GS4 for awhile, since I decided that i didn't want to spend money every time a new phone came out. But out of curiousity, i chatted with Sprint to see how much credit they were giving for a GS4. They stated that they were only giving $135.00 credit trade in value on the GS4, but i was browsing Best Buy Mobile, and they gave me $310.00 for my GS4! So, out of pocket expense with upgrade was $40.00 + tax (roughly $25.00), came out to be $65.00 out of pocket expense...i couldn't say no and took the deal since i didn't want my trade in value to decrease later on.
But here I am, new phone (which i love - but if you have a Note 2, i am not sure the upgrade to the Note 3 is worth it) and i want to root & flash badly. Knox, however, is making me think twice about doing so. How many of you are rooting it anyways? I saw a root method that won't trigger the Knox flash counter, but flashing a rom would, which is the main reason i would want to root anyways.
I was running Beanstalk 4.3 on my GS4, and it was faster than my Note 3 (completely stock at the moment), and the battery life was pretty good, i could go a full day, with about 4 hours on screen time. I can only imagine the results would be better if i do the same for my Note 3.
So how many of you have taken the plunge and rooted + rom'd? Aside from void of the warranty, are their any other drawbacks from tampering with Knox?
I want to badly, but just wanted to see if it has adversely affected anyone who already has.
Thanks,
JD
Honestly I am not rooted (although every day it gets harder and harder not to) but not because of warentee but rather because of all the problems people are having. . From force closing to root disappearing for no reason. I don't feel we know enough about the ramifications to the inner workings of what Knox is doing.
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jdizzle316 said:
I thought that i was going to stay with my GS4 for awhile, since I decided that i didn't want to spend money every time a new phone came out. But out of curiousity, i chatted with Sprint to see how much credit they were giving for a GS4. They stated that they were only giving $135.00 credit trade in value on the GS4, but i was browsing Best Buy Mobile, and they gave me $310.00 for my GS4! So, out of pocket expense with upgrade was $40.00 + tax (roughly $25.00), came out to be $65.00 out of pocket expense...i couldn't say no and took the deal since i didn't want my trade in value to decrease later on.
But here I am, new phone (which i love - but if you have a Note 2, i am not sure the upgrade to the Note 3 is worth it) and i want to root & flash badly. Knox, however, is making me think twice about doing so. How many of you are rooting it anyways? I saw a root method that won't trigger the Knox flash counter, but flashing a rom would, which is the main reason i would want to root anyways.
I was running Beanstalk 4.3 on my GS4, and it was faster than my Note 3 (completely stock at the moment), and the battery life was pretty good, i could go a full day, with about 4 hours on screen time. I can only imagine the results would be better if i do the same for my Note 3.
So how many of you have taken the plunge and rooted + rom'd? Aside from void of the warranty, are their any other drawbacks from tampering with Knox?
I want to badly, but just wanted to see if it has adversely affected anyone who already has.
Thanks,
JD
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There is a method now to root without tripping KNOX, it involves flashing back to Stock MI3 firmware and something something KNOX binary counter gets reset to 0x0. Custom ROM will still trip the counter. Essentially you could run Stock with root access on MI3 and even flash the hotspot fix mod.
Don't root or modify your device if you even think twice about the warranty, you're taking a risk by flashing via ODIN and Recovery and you will be responsible for any potential damage to your phone, if you're within your 14 return period chances are they'll take it back no questions asked.
Root access, custom ROMs, themes, mods/fixes/improvements, battery and performance optimizations, debloated apps, free tethering... There are just so many reasons to root and not a lot of reasons not to.
I've removed all the KNOX files from my system, device still runs fine. The Knox counter was tripped as shows 0x1 but I don't care, what does that even do? KNOX is just a security system implemented for whatever reason, a minor annoyance that will soon have complete workarounds.
Just a warning though, some people do experience issues, from "force closing apps" to "soft-bricking" ... Just follow the directions listed on the OP of the developer thread exactly as they're listed and you should be okay.
Thanks for the info!!!
I've always rooted all my other phones, and i guess you're right!
Knox, being new is just a little intimidating. May I ask if you rooted via the method without tripping the counter? Also, did you flash a rom or did you debloat yourself?
Thanks for your time and advice
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There is a method now to root without tripping KNOX, it involves flashing back to Stock MI3 firmware and something something KNOX binary counter gets reset to 0x0. Custom ROM will still trip the counter. Essentially you could run Stock with root access on MI3 and even flash the hotspot fix mod.
Don't root or modify your device if you even think twice about the warranty, you're taking a risk by flashing via ODIN and Recovery and you will be responsible for any potential damage to your phone, if you're within your 14 return period chances are they'll take it back no questions asked.
Root access, custom ROMs, themes, mods/fixes/improvements, battery and performance optimizations, debloated apps, free tethering... There are just so many reasons to root and not a lot of reasons not to.
I've removed all the KNOX files from my system, device still runs fine. The Knox counter was tripped as shows 0x1 but I don't care, what does that even do? KNOX is just a security system implemented for whatever reason, a minor annoyance that will soon have complete workarounds.
Just a warning though, some people do experience issues, from "force closing apps" to "soft-bricking" ... Just follow the directions listed on the OP of the developer thread exactly as they're listed and you should be okay.
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jdizzle316 said:
Thanks for the info!!!
I've always rooted all my other phones, and i guess you're right!
Knox, being new is just a little intimidating. May I ask if you rooted via the method without tripping the counter? Also, did you flash a rom or did you debloat yourself?
Thanks for your time and advice
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I rooted and installed JellyBomb right away because performance>warranty to me. I have been having some of The connectivity issues others have mentioned, they are the same worth our without root. All in all, I, m glad I rooted.
Good info on the knox free root here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2484095
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We now have MI5!!!
jdizzle316 said:
Thanks for the info!!!
I've always rooted all my other phones, and i guess you're right!
Knox, being new is just a little intimidating. May I ask if you rooted via the method without tripping the counter? Also, did you flash a rom or did you debloat yourself?
Thanks for your time and advice
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You're welcome.
I rooted with the CF-AutoRoot method that tripped the KNOX binary counter.
Initially I flashed freeza's Deodexed Stock ROM and debloated it myself.
I posted a thread in the "General" category called "Potentially" Safe to Freeze/Remove Apps (SM-N900P)
I was not quite satisfied with stock and wanted a bit more, backed up everything and flashed JellyBomb ROM. No regrets. This ROM is awesome and just keeps getting better.
Sent from my Rooted, TWRP'd & JellyBombed SM-N900P using XDA...
I waited all of a day to root and have had no issues other than a bluetooth problem which turned out to be a problem with my Alpine. Haven't looked back and am looking forward to some new ROMs.(at the very least a Sprint 1X 3G mod) I have a warranty through squaretrade so the factory one doesn't bother me.
did you go the route of not tripping the Knox counter, or the other method (CF)?
Thanks, I'm just trying to gather as much info as i can before i take the dive myself....not having root/custom rom is killin me!
appreciate the input, thank you
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I waited all of a day to root and have had no issues other than a bluetooth problem which turned out to be a problem with my Alpine. Haven't looked back and am looking forward to some new ROMs.(at the very least a Sprint 1X 3G mod) I have a warranty through squaretrade so the factory one doesn't bother me.
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The only thing available when I did mine was CF. My counter is tripped. My theory is the Knox counter is more of a thing for a corporate IT department to verify security. I've only seen one foreign post where the person was supposedly told it would void the phone warranty. My Motorola X explicitly stated it will void the warranty when I unlocked the boot loader and I would think Samsung would do the same when put intov download mode. That's just my opinion though
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piaa_nissan said:
The only thing available when I did mine was CF. My counter is tripped. My theory is the Knox counter is more of a thing for a corporate IT department to verify security. I've only seen one foreign post where the person was supposedly told it would void the phone warranty. My Motorola X explicitly stated it will void the warranty when I unlocked the boot loader and I would think Samsung would do the same when put intov download mode. That's just my opinion though
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Have you had any issues. . I am not concerned about the warrantee but I am worried about all the issues people have had. . Losing root, selinux issues etc. . What has your experience been?
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As I said in my original post, no issues. YMMV
I'm rooted, running stock, loving the phone. My only issue was that I couldn't get 5 rows of icons on my home screens to maximize real estate... so I ventured for the first time into launchers, and I'm very happy with Nova right now.
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I'm rooted, running stock, loving the phone. My only issue was that I couldn't get 5 rows of icons on my home screens to maximize real estate... so I ventured for the first time into launchers, and I'm very happy with Nova right now.
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Nova and Apex are considered the best.
i just read on the international note 3 forum on xda that a guy had to bring his note 3 in for service and the service tech noticed that his knox was triggered but still fixed his device and was able to reset the knox counter back to 0x0. so it seems that it can be reset and its software related. ill post the link so you guys can read it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2504258
They recently had the Samsung developers conference with the head of the Knox app. He stated that knox is more about security of the information device. So if you use the phone for work and have sensitive info on it it won't be easily compromised if its lost or stolen.
Also yes knox has some type of counter that says if you or something attemped to access the inner framwork of you device, but he also stated the goal was to allow the user to run custom roms but still protect data/info leakage into the wrong hands..ie Id theft,,codes etc.
so if you think about it...it should be/ could be reset with someone know how after indicated and fixed. i guess if there is a IT person at your provider's store that is allowed to do so.
My Tmobile Samsung S5 had tripped Knox after rooted. I read that Triangle Away can set back the Knox counter. Before purchasing this app, I want to ask have anyone able to use Triangle Away on the S5? Thank!
caodangra said:
My Tmobile Samsung S5 had tripped Knox after rooted. I read that Triangle Away can set back the Knox counter. Before purchasing this app, I want to ask have anyone able to use Triangle Away on the S5? Thank!
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It will not work. If you try it, it may brick your phone.
MattMJB0188 said:
It will not work. If you try it, it may brick your phone.
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thank for the information.:good:
caodangra said:
thank for the information.:good:
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No problem.
There is a new ROM that takes care of this problem. But you have to install that ROM. Just go under development there are only a few there.
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dpshptl said:
There is a new ROM that takes care of this problem. But you have to install that ROM. Just go under development there are only a few there.
Sent from my SM-G900T using xda app-developers app
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I think you are misinformed. KNOX cannot currently be subverted.
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I think you are misinformed. KNOX cannot currently be subverted.
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That is correct - some have said (those that know more than I) that tripping knox blows a Q FUSE which as I understand it is a phyisical attribute on the phone not a software attribute - - to UNDO that would be impossible without a soldering iron of somekind -)(joking) but there are tons of QFUSES avaialble from what I have read - and it seems that Samsung and maybe even the carrier tech staff have a way of "Reassigning" the QFUSE or someting - as many phones taken back for repairs are returned with Knox reset to 0.
I may be completely wrong in the way I am describing this - as I am not developer and have only read a bunch about it - much of which was way over my head - but that is my interpreation of how it works (on a very simple level)
For the record, I ran Triangle Away on my TMO S5 without any issue. I'm not sure if it worked as I have not checked.. but it did not brick my phone.
Also, this is the first I've heard of this KNOX chip and hardware tampering system. It is very possible to construct a loop that is designed to blow a fuse; thus triggering a desired software effect. HOWEVER, its still software which means that (in theory) its still possible to work around. If all of this is true, it will only be a matter of time before we have a work around.
luckyduck69 said:
For the record, I ran Triangle Away on my TMO S5 without any issue. I'm not sure if it worked as I have not checked.. but it did not brick my phone.
Also, this is the first I've heard of this KNOX chip and hardware tampering system. It is very possible to construct a loop that is designed to blow a fuse; thus triggering a desired software effect. HOWEVER, its still software which means that (in theory) its still possible to work around. If all of this is true, it will only be a matter of time before we have a work around.
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wondering any update did it work or not ....i need to send my phone in and wanted to know
There is currently no way to reset the Knox Warranty flag on a G900T (and most other models) once it has been set to 0x1. Triangle away does not work. Tons of threads on XDA about this, and much more discussion can be found with a simple Google search.
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wondering any update did it work or not ....i need to send my phone in and wanted to know
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Don't send it in. Go to a retail store. Less chance of them checking.
hondasforlife said:
wondering any update did it work or not ....i need to send my phone in and wanted to know
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Triangle away will not reset your Knox flag.
The flag can be reset in theory and has actually has been reset under controlled conditions in Development threads. But don't expect an end user solution to materialize anytime soon. For all practical purposes, a Knox flag is irreversible.
Sending a 0x1 phone to Samsung for warranty service will inevitably get it returned as unrepairable i.e. a refused warranty claim. If you live in the EU you can argue with them as their are stronger consumer protection laws ostensibly preventing them from refusing a claim unless they can demonstrate that your root damaged the phone.
For anyone elsewhere, it's more effective to claim warranty through your carrier. Many carriers don't care about Knox.
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caodangra said:
thank for the information.:good:
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my friend just took a GS5 back to tmobile because he basiclly bicked it and was to impatient to drop iot off at my house to fix it. They gave him a new one no questions asked and knox was tripped ..Its like they dont even care .. If you have premium handset protection it dont even matter if you trip knox . I think they would rather get a knox tripped phone rather than one that has a cracked screen ..The sales people up there only know how to do one thngand that is a factory reset to solve any and all problems .LOL.The last thing tmobile wants to do is keep you from having a phone.
T-Mobile does not check if Knox was tripped. They don't know how to check it anyways. Just make sure that if they ask, do not give an impression that the phone is rooted.
I bricked my phone & brought back to Sprint & got a new one without a problem... Thank God!
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Triangle away will not reset your Knox flag.
The flag can be reset in theory and has actually has been reset under controlled conditions in Development threads. But don't expect an end user solution to materialize anytime soon. For all practical purposes, a Knox flag is irreversible.
Sending a 0x1 phone to Samsung for warranty service will inevitably get it returned as unrepairable i.e. a refused warranty claim. If you live in the EU you can argue with them as their are stronger consumer protection laws ostensibly preventing them from refusing a claim unless they can demonstrate that your root damaged the phone.
For anyone elsewhere, it's more effective to claim warranty through your carrier. Many carriers don't care about Knox.
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Some info in this thread is false, but this user explains it correctly. Triangle away is not about the Knox counter but about the Flash counter, which counts if your phone has been flashed. And on some devices it counts how many times you've flashed. I've attached a screenshot to clarify
The OP question, if triangle away works wasn't answered that i saw. I boldly tried it, with TriangeAway version 3.26 on an international SM-G900F with Polish Lollipop rom ...BNL9 version. The phone was Odin flashed with official Polish firmware to upgrade to 5.0 lollipop and then rooted with CF autoroot. And on this device TriangleAway worked! Flash counters were reset to official. Knox still tripped of course.
Nice Thread. I have some more questions about this topic. I have a S5 with Phoenix ROM.
I don't care about knox or warranty, but for cosmetic issues I would like to have this SEAndroid Enforcing Thingy go away. So may I ask what part of the system reports This message. And what does SEAndroid mean? If this is some kind of certificate or other property? How will the phone know if, for example, Android 5.3 comes out? Or will that use an old kernel the phone already knows?
What are the chances someone makes a custom kernel that is SEAndroid Enforcing?
PenzRules said:
Nice Thread. I have some more questions about this topic. I have a S5 with Phoenix ROM.
I don't care about knox or warranty, but for cosmetic issues I would like to have this SEAndroid Enforcing Thingy go away. So may I ask what part of the system reports This message. And what does SEAndroid mean? If this is some kind of certificate or other property? How will the phone know if, for example, Android 5.3 comes out? Or will that use an old kernel the phone already knows?
What are the chances someone makes a custom kernel that is SEAndroid Enforcing?
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Triangle away will not remove it. Only way to remove it is to run 100% stock kernel
Could not someone edit the text to Kernel ready for CPUSPEEDENFORCING? Or Kernel Is too smart for the phone? P.S. Your answer was already given. I asked something else.
In an effort to reclaim the thread and keep it going (as for a question that I have as well), what is the hardware effect that the QFUSE breaking causes? My Knox was tripped before I received the phone, and the only noticeable flaw I have (not sure if it is Knox related because I received the phone by a trade) is that within my back camera pictures, I have three black spots that look like burns (snapshot attached). Could someone help me out?
Hi all,
I couldn't find anything on Sprint/Asurion insurance that makes me comfortable tripping Knox. I'm clumsy and poor and need to be able to have the phone fixed for free. That being said, street much reading, I think my best course of action is:
- Factory reset
- I'm on OC5, so flash NH7 using Odin
- Factory reset
- Use towelroot
- Hope that Knox won't trip
- Enjoy TiBu and other root benefits
- In a year when I can afford paying the remainder due on this phone to get a new phone using Easy Pay, stop caring about Knox and install a custom recovery and all the ROMs
Is this technically/theoretically possible? Am I missing anything?
I heard towelroot steals IMEI and other personally identifying info. I also see that it requires "phone number and identity" when installing the apk. Is this necessary as part of the exploit to gain root? Does XDA endorse towelroot or support it as legitimate?
Thank you in advance!
Sprint doesn't really care about Knox, Samsung does.
Tripping it does not affect functionality of the phone and if anything, only inhibits your experience with the phone.
I tripped it an hour after I bought the phone and haven't looked back since. I also cracked my screen and had to make insurance claim...Sprint didn't say a word about it being tripped.
For add'l opinions, see this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2561241
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rpenrod23 said:
Sprint doesn't really care about Knox, Samsung does.
Tripping it does not affect functionality of the phone and if anything, only inhibits your experience with the phone.
I tripped it an hour after I bought the phone and haven't looked back since. I also cracked my screen and had to make insurance claim...Sprint didn't say a word about it being tripped.
For add'l opinions, see this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2561241
Sent from my SM-N910P using Tapatalk 2
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I saw that poll. Helped me decide that if my Knox is tripped during a root method that ISN'T supposed to trip I wouldn't cry over it. Still, I read that tripping Knox will prevent Knox app functionality and my company may use it, so I don't want that to be a problem either.
I'm still looking for verification that towelroot won't steal my phone info.
Psychotacon said:
Hi all,
I couldn't find anything on Sprint/Asurion insurance that makes me comfortable tripping Knox. I'm clumsy and poor and need to be able to have the phone fixed for free. That being said, street much reading, I think my best course of action is:
- Factory reset
- I'm on OC5, so flash NH7 using Odin
- Factory reset
- Use towelroot
- Hope that Knox won't trip
- Enjoy TiBu and other root benefits
- In a year when I can afford paying the remainder due on this phone to get a new phone using Easy Pay, stop caring about Knox and install a custom recovery and all the ROMs
Is this technically/theoretically possible? Am I missing anything?
I heard towelroot steals IMEI and other personally identifying info. I also see that it requires "phone number and identity" when installing the apk. Is this necessary as part of the exploit to gain root? Does XDA endorse towelroot or support it as legitimate?
Thank you in advance!
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Where do you "hear" these rumours? Links? First you said cf auto root was bad cause you read that somewhere, no link and now this. Knox doesn't matter at all if you're clumsy. One has nothing to do with the other. You break or lose your phone insurance isn't going to ask if you tripped Knox. If you download any apps at all then you should be reading what they have access to when installing. Lots of legit apps access your phone information. Pretty sure Knox is one of them. Fyi I'm on easy pay now and I'm not a millionaire and I don't care that I tripped Knox. Root and start living life to the fullest lol.
I'm new to samsung and knox is alien to me. I understand that it will be tripped when I root and that this cannot be done. Is that understanding correct?
Also, I am very curious what exactly you lose when knox trips. Do I lose access to all samsung apps or just samsung pay? Like will the health app or watch apps still work?
I have always rooted my phones but this is the first time I've seen it have penalties other than safetynet or widevine with safetynet being easy to bypass and widevine penalties being unnoticeable for my use. At least with those you can flash stock and be back to good, but I understand this isn't the case with knox.
Tripping Knox blows a physical fuse so it cannot be reversed even if you factory reset, restore original stock firmware, etc. Several security-conscious apps and features require intact Knox, including Samsung Pay, Samsung Health, and Secure Folder. Tripping Knox also voids the phone's warranty (because rooting lets you make driver-level changes that can damage the hardware).