Hello,
So i got myself an Edge with 3GB of RAM, since i have been using another SO for a while now i'm not updated on android systems anymore so please help me out if you can.
After boot, installing the basics (FB, Flipboard etc. etc.) and setting up everything i only have about 700MB available, so where is the rest??
Before you all start saying that i installed too much trash, have too much bloatware etc. etc. let me inform you that:
1- I have a J5 (single SIM) with 1.5GB of RAM with the EXACT same setup as this one, the diference is the loss off about 1.5 to 2 GB of RAM since i have the same amount of RAM available on my J5.
2- I disabled the apps i don't use so they are "offline" and shouldn't interfere with the count.
So same setup with a weaker phone....... and almost the same RAM available....
The only diference between my edge and the J5 is that i have a smartwatch paired to it, but after the test with the J5 (yes it will accept my smartwatch) there is no diference in RAM on my J5......
Please help me to understand this before i take it back to the shop.......
Beco
You do know how android works right? I have a edge+ with 4gb of ram and at this moment I have 711mb free and guess what it's smooth and fast because having a lot of ram without the system use its not how android works
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So what you are telling me is that besides the almost 400MB reserved, the same apps, same version of OS and the same usage i will have always this amount of RAM occupied??
Ok, now i will bring this back to the store and get myself a cheap 2GB RAM phone...... No point of having a device that is always cramped up without the possibility of expanding. I do a lot of multitasking (as soon as the holidays are over) and i thought that this would be a device that can "handle" it. I have seen the batt. problems and tried to read about the RAM management that should be solved with the marshmellow update ..... I think that this device is going to be a problem for me to use.......
I had a Galaxy note (1) before and the only reason i sold it was because of the "always ocupied RAM" and it was a PIA with multitasking. Have used a diferent OS ever since but loved the edge so decided to give it another shot, wrong idea.
For me if a device lasts all day (18H) and can handle multitasking i'm happy......
beco
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Loving my device so far figuring it all out for a first time Android user, very happy. Just one main concern besides little petty ones is the available ram? Even when i first booted this thing up out of the box with nothing installed by me the Available Ram was only like 300mb out of 1gb! Telling me a couple apps running stock (which is only like 20-30mb total anyways) and the Operating System and Sense eats up about 700mb of Ram upon a fresh Boot? Damn that's pretty sad, no wonder why the industry standard for these devices should be 2gb! My iphone 4 which i came from only had 256mb of total ram installed. With all my apps installed, using up about 15gb of hard drive space out of the 16gb model i had, i still had a solid 210-220mb of FREE Ram upon Boot Up! Apple is still very behind in this cell industry but at least they know how to create an operating system that doesn't kill your Ram.
Anyway to have more available Ram on this thing? Figured 1gb would be more then plenty when purchasing this device, after using it now i guessed wrong. Now with most of the basic apps installed i average about 250-270mb of Free Ram upon Boot Up. Still think that's pretty sad when it comes with 1gb of ram built in :fingers-crossed:
deeznuts said:
Loving my device so far figuring it all out for a first time Android user, very happy. Just one main concern besides little petty ones is the available ram? Even when i first booted this thing up out of the box with nothing installed by me the Available Ram was only like 300mb out of 1gb! Telling me a couple apps running stock (which is only like 20-30mb total anyways) and the Operating System and Sense eats up about 700mb of Ram upon a fresh Boot? Damn that's pretty sad, no wonder why the industry standard for these devices should be 2gb! My iphone 4 which i came from only had 256mb of total ram installed. With all my apps installed, using up about 15gb of hard drive space out of the 16gb model i had, i still had a solid 210-220mb of FREE Ram upon Boot Up! Apple is still very behind in this cell industry but at least they know how to create an operating system that doesn't kill your Ram.
Anyway to have more available Ram on this thing? Figured 1gb would be more then plenty when purchasing this device, after using it now i guessed wrong. Now with most of the basic apps installed i average about 250-270mb of Free Ram upon Boot Up. Still think that's pretty sad when it comes with 1gb of ram built in :fingers-crossed:
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Android takes apps out of memory when another app needs more ram
Trust me... 1gb is fine.. no need for another 1gb of ram
If you really want more ram either make an AOSP rom or desense your phone
bilibox said:
Android takes apps out of memory when another app needs more ram
Trust me... 1gb is fine.. no need for another 1gb of ram
If you really want more ram either make an AOSP rom or desense your phone
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So basically don't even worry about what the task manager shows as free Ram because the OS will make it work basically? Makes sense but still seems pretty hungry to eat up so much. Really love the Stock JB 4.1 and Sense 4+ so really wouldn't want to get rid of any of that just to free up some Ram. Would just think factory though it wouldn't eat so much. I'm sure once i can get this device rooted though and flashing a custom rom should help?
deeznuts said:
Loving my device so far figuring it all out for a first time Android user, very happy. Just one main concern besides little petty ones is the available ram? Even when i first booted this thing up out of the box with nothing installed by me the Available Ram was only like 300mb out of 1gb! Telling me a couple apps running stock (which is only like 20-30mb total anyways) and the Operating System and Sense eats up about 700mb of Ram upon a fresh Boot? Damn that's pretty sad, no wonder why the industry standard for these devices should be 2gb! My iphone 4 which i came from only had 256mb of total ram installed. With all my apps installed, using up about 15gb of hard drive space out of the 16gb model i had, i still had a solid 210-220mb of FREE Ram upon Boot Up! Apple is still very behind in this cell industry but at least they know how to create an operating system that doesn't kill your Ram.
Anyway to have more available Ram on this thing? Figured 1gb would be more then plenty when purchasing this device, after using it now i guessed wrong. Now with most of the basic apps installed i average about 250-270mb of Free Ram upon Boot Up. Still think that's pretty sad when it comes with 1gb of ram built in :fingers-crossed:
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i think that´s because of android´s ram management.
Android doesn´t allow that there is too much "unused" RAM because "unused" RAM is useless RAM... (hope i understood that right as i read something about it some weeks ago)
but wait for a detailled explanation of someone who is fitter at this topic than me
deeznuts said:
Loving my device so far figuring it all out for a first time Android user, very happy. Just one main concern besides little petty ones is the available ram? Even when i first booted this thing up out of the box with nothing installed by me the Available Ram was only like 300mb out of 1gb! Telling me a couple apps running stock (which is only like 20-30mb total anyways) and the Operating System and Sense eats up about 700mb of Ram upon a fresh Boot? Damn that's pretty sad, no wonder why the industry standard for these devices should be 2gb! My iphone 4 which i came from only had 256mb of total ram installed. With all my apps installed, using up about 15gb of hard drive space out of the 16gb model i had, i still had a solid 210-220mb of FREE Ram upon Boot Up! Apple is still very behind in this cell industry but at least they know how to create an operating system that doesn't kill your Ram.
Anyway to have more available Ram on this thing? Figured 1gb would be more then plenty when purchasing this device, after using it now i guessed wrong. Now with most of the basic apps installed i average about 250-270mb of Free Ram upon Boot Up. Still think that's pretty sad when it comes with 1gb of ram built in :fingers-crossed:
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Android does not use ram like windows. In android, having low free ram is a good sign that android is working properly. Does your device lock up or feel laggy? Exactly so don't worry
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deeznuts said:
So basically don't even worry about what the task manager shows as free Ram because the OS will make it work basically? Makes sense but still seems pretty hungry to eat up so much. Really love the Stock JB 4.1 and Sense 4+ so really wouldn't want to get rid of any of that just to free up some Ram. Would just think factory though it wouldn't eat so much. I'm sure once i can get this device rooted though and flashing a custom rom should help?
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It's not eating the ram, the ram has been set aside for rapid access by apps. read this webpage, Its about task manager but explains how android utilizes ram. http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
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Android does not use ram like windows. In android, having low free ram is a good sign that android is working properly. Does your device lock up or feel laggy? Exactly so don't worry
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It's not eating the ram, the ram has been set aside for rapid access by apps. read this webpage, Its about task manager but explains how android utilizes ram. http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
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Oh ok, thank you. Learned something new today, really had no idea and makes perfect sense now. You're right though, no lag at all. I mean i don't know how to compare this device but running the game Bard's Tale with the HD download version on all High performance and having a few apps also on in the background, zero lag while playing the game! Really am impressed with this device thus far, just was worried about the Ram appearance as I wasn't aware of how Android utilizes it, thank you.
Is your phone lagging? Android does an amazing job at providing the RAM required to function properly.
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I'd like to know how much ram is available to the user. Can someone with an AT&T One X+ download Android System Info and share what the "max" is for ram? For example, on my 1GB GS2, it shows 836mb (user available).
It says I have 950 mb Ram on the android app management screen.
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I planned to buy a new Samsung Galaxy Mega 6.3, but then I noticed the free RAM is around 600 MB .
Would this RAM be sufficient enough for a smooth multi-tasking experience and with many widgets. ? ?
Initially, I thought of Samsung Note-2 which has around 0.91GB of free RAM which ofcourse ifs more than enough for any kind of multi-tasking.(but its too costky )
Is there anyway through which I can get more RAM on "Samsing Mega 6.3" ?? ?? ?? .. ....
What I thought was, the device has a total RAM of 1.5GB , so if I root the device & remove various redundant applications which I dont need & replace the launcher with a light one,
then will there be a chance to get around 800-900MB of RAM ?? ?? ??
rohitdhavade said:
I planned to buy a new Samsung Galaxy Mega 6.3, but then I noticed the free RAM is around 600 MB .
Would this RAM be sufficient enough for a smooth multi-tasking experience and with many widgets. ? ?
Initially, I thought of Samsung Note-2 which has around 0.91GB of free RAM which ofcourse ifs more than enough for any kind of multi-tasking.(but its too costky )
Is there anyway through which I can get more RAM on "Samsing Mega 6.3" ?? ?? ?? .. ....
What I thought was, the device has a total RAM of 1.5GB , so if I root the device & remove various redundant applications which I dont need & replace the launcher with a light one,
then will there be a chance to get around 800-900MB of RAM ?? ?? ??
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Like they say, unused RAM is wasted RAM. In my experience the RAM is more than enough to do multitasking. I have not yet experienced any slow down because of RAM even under heavy load and I have tried having multiwindow with popup play running on top.
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Like they say, unused RAM is wasted RAM. In my experience the RAM is more than enough to do multitasking. I have not yet experienced any slow down because of RAM even under heavy load and I have tried having multiwindow with popup play running on top.
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I echo that JB handles rame really well as mentioned above unused ram is pointless and android will kill apps or processes in memory as and wehn required that way you have a smoother experience throughout as apps are able to refresh quicker, yet when needed will be killed off by the oom memory managment
thering1975 said:
I echo that JB handles rame really well as mentioned above unused ram is pointless and android will kill apps or processes in memory as and wehn required that way you have a smoother experience throughout as apps are able to refresh quicker, yet when needed will be killed off by the oom memory managment
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Ohh..
Thanks For that info, I didnt knew that apps are automatically killed as & when the need arises .
Then, its a good deal to buy mega 6.3.
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rohitdhavade said:
Ohh..
Thanks For that info, I didnt knew that apps are automatically killed as & when the need arises .
Then, its a good deal to buy mega 6.3.
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indeed it is, great phone indeed
My i9205 had around 1.1G ram of 1.32G used when new (just after boot). I uninstalled several samsung applications and it decreased to 0.9G used. If I "clear ram" I get around 600mb used. It seems to help, Chrome is seldom killed now, I can have many pages open and it does not need to reload them when coming back after doing other stuff.
You also seem to have a bit of a misunderstanding with how Linux memory management works.
It is easier to pull the RAM out of cache, and cache RAM isn't reported as "free" even though it essentially is, because it can be pressed into service as soon as it's needed and is a lot faster than taking it from the hard disk.
Linux also doesn't need "free RAM" to just be there to operate, a phone with 1.2GB "Free RAM" won't run any faster than one with 400MB free unless the processor is doing something in the background extra.
If anything, the one with 400MB will seem faster because it probably has the apps you use loaded in RAM without using any CPU so as soon as you try to open, let's say Facebook, it was already cached in RAM so it just boots right up.
Long story short, if you have 600MB free RAM, you have nothing to worry about in terms of performance on the phone.
Hello. First - sorry for very bad english. I dont been here long time. I have few questions, bcs I am curious.
I used before serious PC machines with Windows 2008 r2 Servers. Also Cent OS. So I am not so big Android expert but I know few things. I also used maybe 20 windows mobile phones before.
So I am limited with lang but I will try to explain problems. I will be little android hater. I haved HTC Tytn 2 for years. He haved 128 MB rams and with some lite/custom roms he run 40 apps without lag on Windows Mobile 6.1
Okay. My favourite Windows OS died so I must move on Android. Okay Samsung Touch Wiz / Android is cool experience. But only UI. I haved s2/s3mini/s3/s3 neo (at this moment)/s4 mini.
So why android suck ? On s2 we have android 2.3.6 (great) and mostly 4.1.2. First work incredible (so much free ram + older apps) nad 4.1.2 work great until last days. I mean today you cant run 3 apps and android close previous apps. Boring. 1 gb ram for what ?! Why Android consume so much ram ? For what ? Okay Android is cool, nice UI, but 1 gb on nothing ?!?! Okay. I understand foreground/background/cached process. I mean no matter how much new device you have.
RAM kill you !!! Later I buy s3 with quad - he suck. He consume more ram. Btw I root all devices and use scripts to debloat and I also alone remove apps/services. S3 is nice phone if you want to run 2-3 modern apps.
Cached process sucks. They slow down phones like hell. Okay I sold bad s3 and buy s4 mini.
Great phone 1.5 gb ram, solid dual core.... but we actually have 1.35 ram and 906 MB used on stock rom. Lol. I make serious debloat on 4.2.2 (brazilian) bcs stupid Samsung dont allow downgrade from even worse 4.4.2.
So after very serious debloat, scripts and lot of learning I make my best result. 312 MB ram USED from 1350 MB.
Super fast experience. I run 24 apps instant on stock debloated rom. I googled every stupid process. I removed almost everything expect contacts/sms/gallery.... I haved 9 icons. Only 5 active process. Super fast.
But after some time superamoled lose colors (i used him all day like PC) and my eyes was hurted so much. So I buy new s3 neo.
1.5 GB ram (1.35 available). On stock (no provider) rom he use 800 MB. From 1.35 GB. After 2 apps he is sooooooo super slow. And this is "smartphone" ?!?!?!? I cant run few stupid apps ? Bcs of lack of ram ?
Okay I modified script from s4 mini from Jelly Bean and I removed everything on Kit Kat. Result is 512 MB used from 1350. Okay. Not so bad.
I also save 20 GB old apps. They consume much less memory. So I installed same apps like on s4 mini with 4.2.2.
On s3 Neo with 4.4.2 they consume much moreeeeeeeee ram. Phone is super fast until you run browser + 2-3 apps. After that ram move on 1 GB used and he never user 0.35 GB. Limit is 1.35 GB.
So I am curious what is hell wrong with android ? If I dont have money to buy device with 3 GB ram I am in serious trouble to run smothly few android apps.
So from my personal experience expect pure CPU power, even Windows Mobile 6.1 with 128 MB ram do tasks lot better than android with 1.5 GB ram. Even my Tytn 2 run 30 much serious apps then simple android on 128 mb ram with no problem.
Every year we got new devices, new Android OS and more slower phones. I mean come on. For what android spend all my ram (expect stupid cashing) and make phone damn slow for every simple multitasking with few apps ?!?!
Only 2 android os what was good are : S2 with old 2.3.6 (old apps - blazing fast) and s4 mini 4.2.2 (serious debloat).
With my last phone s3 neo I am disapointed. He consume damn so much ram even if he is serious debloated (500 ram of 1350 usage). After 3 apps he slow down. For me is Android huge fail.
So I want to move on on Windows Phone. I always used HTC WM and Samsung Android.
I dont care for options and new os. I want to run super smooth browser, irc, image browser, badoo and to listen YT. That is all. So can someone reccomend me any newer phone (not new) what can do few simple tasks without lag ? Even HTC Tytn 2 work better than s3 neo (expect Popcorn movies - hardware). I really need new platform and good multitasking.
And why the hell Samsung make so good and bad phones in ssme time ? Amoled is best, specs are good but android sucks in every sence. Multitasking ZERO. Ram consumption WORST, performance downgrade after few even older apps HUGE.
I like s3 neo like phone. But I want simple stock os with 1 GB ram free ! Not to fill ram with 2 stupid apps. I dont have money for galaxy s5/s6. Android like OS on MY PERSONAL NOOB oppinion is worst experience.
Which phone to buy and what about Windows Phone ? WP look bad (ugly) but if he is half good like WM I will change OS. I only want multitaking sith minimal 10 apps running without problem.
Hi,
I used to love my Kenzo 2 gb version, untill I found out that his 1,8 gb of ram are so so low. But, is that true?!
I mean 2 gb are the minimun requirement for MM or NG I think, but with miui, miui port, NG based rom (didn't try oreo, or lineage MM), custom kernel, anything the ram management is really really bad.
After only two days of usage, free ram became 200mb or even 100mb with no social media app (just telegram and instagram with no notification allowed) or anything. Doze, greenify, clear ram or not clear it, doesn't change the situation, used ram increase day by day untill the phone is laggy and unusable.
So you have to restart the phone at least every two day. It's crazy today.
On custom ng roms the situation is a bit better but on miui, damn, the ram is so full that sometimes I can't even open the keyboard or camera.
Every 2 gb phones has this issue? is an MM/NG problem? or is a kenzo problem? is there something I (or we) can do to menage ram more efficently (I don't want free ram, I want a ram used in the correct way).?
thank u
Very good question, i suggest you make manual tweaks to lmk (low memory killer), it has helped my rn3 2gb multitask better on oreo
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I have too faced that problem. It's mainly due to ROMs. Some ROMs have lag no matter which kernel you use or how much tweak it. I have literally tried each and every custom rom which are updated and found only some ROMs which have less noticable lag. Default miui rom, aex, RR by movzx, nos some builds and Oreo, and slim rom. On other rom I tried different kernel and when tweaked it to max but still lagged as hell. Even opening dialer app sometimes froze the system leave aside heavy gaming. This is really serious issue on 2gb because of which we are restricted to certain ROMs.
I too have a 2GB kenzo, but never had such problems...currently using NOS Oreo and it is fluid & fast. Same on miui.
Right now system occupies around 700MB + around 400MB apps, rest is available. Never had RAM problems myself...luckily.
Buy MI device unlock bootloader next day > Flash custom ROMs > RIP ****UI
That is the main reason why I've changed my Kenzo 2gb. I wasn't able to use miui at all with this phone, app killing and lagging was a daily basis. So I used the most Ram friendly rom with this phone, but still keeping more than 3 apps in the memory was a problem.
Idk, but maybe it's because of the x64 architecture (similar to pc, this architecture uses more ram). I had many phones with 32gb and x32 architecture and ram was never an issue.
So trust me, I've tried everything to improve the ram efficiency, but not much has changed. The only solution for me to change the phone.
Sent from Note 3, Xiaomi Redmi Note 3.
man use rambexpander app you can have 4 GB RAM and it does work very well
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[email protected] said:
Very good question, i suggest you make manual tweaks to lmk (low memory killer), it has helped my rn3 2gb multitask better on oreo
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I don't know how to turn the lmk aggressive on radon I know that I have to edit the radon.sh script but I don't know what I have to write there.
Oreo I think is pretty unstable for me know better wait some months
diyar95 said:
man use rambexpander app you can have 4 GB RAM and it does work very well
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I read that that app bricked some devices. Does it really help? It just create a swap partition I believe
RealPsygnosis said:
I don't know how to turn the lmk aggressive on radon I know that I have to edit the radon.sh script but I don't know what I have to write there.
Oreo I think is pretty unstable for me know better wait some months
I read that that app bricked some devices. Does it really help? It just create a swap partition I believe
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Oreo is unstable, but i can't go back
I use agni, so its easy af to change lmk settings
Anyway, you should set it to light, not aggressive bro
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Ram to sd for konzo
Does ram to sd like some app works really i havent rooted my phone still on stock miui reply soon... I also face ram management problem on my kenzo 2gb
i have around 400-500 mb of free ram, i'm using greenify often and set background process limit to 4.
i uninstalled every apps that not really used and yeah less lag noticed
Hello!
Recently I have been having issues with my phone. I have already tried multiple oreo roms from "The best gaming rom" thread, but none of them worked perfectly for over a month. Every one started to lag, and randomly crash/restart without SIM PIN input (right to the lock screen) when I am not aware of it at all. I am also having issues with camera which almost always crashes, when taking pictures - could it be related to lag? ... Anyway even with custom kernels, clearing cache and many other RAM management (greenify) apps, I am without succes. I own 2/16 model, but I always have at least 300 mb free RAM. Is my phone dying? Could it be NAND storage related?
Best regards!
Try with 1gb or 1.5gb of ZRAM
Ps: do you try update firmware with fastboot?
2gb ram phones just don't cut these days. The UIs these days are becoming very heavy, and too much for 2gigs of ram. Having owned 1 myself. I know they're only good for sometime.
Hey,
I own 3GB model and its lag hell on every oreo ROM. I did little research and come to know that most oreo ROM fails to get deep sleep. I tried Greenify but its not working. Then I check RAM usage and after opening few apps it express 2 GB usage and only 300 to 500 MB free left. So may be this is reason your phone lag on every oreo as It always use up to 2.1 GB RAM (as I remember, before it was around 1.6 GB on nougat)
I've got an aging Redmi Note 3 16GB/2GB RAM that has started lagging. It's just that 2GB RAM phones can't keep up in 2018. Your best bet would be going back to official MIUI 10 or old Nitrogen 7.1.2 Nougat for the 2GB variant.
Thank you for your answers. I guess there's no good ROM for oreo (yet).
+1 for the ones said before me: 2G of RAM is nothing, that was nothing when this phone was launched, sometimes I feel 3G is still not enough for everthing but I would be crazy if I had only 2G of RAM. If you go back to the original miui of RN3, that might be optimizd for the config, but forget any hope for using oreo or pie.
I own a 2gb kenzo, staying on a good N rom with zram at 512 mb, never had lags (I'm not a gamer).
I've sometimes faced some lags in O (rare) and P (more frequent). My impression is that 2gb varian has to run N roms.