I may have stumbled onto something regarding your kinked phone. Please post which case you are or were using when you noticed your phone was kinked/bent. Here is my post from the bent phone thread:
So here are my observations and theory..
I haven't actually had a 6p until about 5 minutes ago. I have, however, read many posts about bending and build quality. I saw a few similarities and one important post that kind of put it all together. Of course there is a good chance I'm wrong but here's my theory:
I noticed most of the posts mentioned having it in a case the entire time. I also noticed many users were using the Spigen Rugged Armor or the Google Adopted case.
The most telling post of them all was the user that pushed the metal with their thumb between the power and volume buttons and saw it kink very easily.
I happen to have a Spigen Rugged Armor case (that I won't be using!). I also have a Spigen Ultra Hybrid case to compare it with. But first, the theory..
I believe the case is causing the kink/bend when using the volume and power buttons. Specifically, I believe the phone will kink/bend the very first time you take a screenshot using the Spigen Rugged Armor case.
There is a difference between the two cases I have. The Rugged Armor case has a divider or bumper between the volume and power buttons that the Ultra Hybrid does not have. This little bumper would rest against the exact place we're seeing the kinks. Since the power and volume buttons are not "active", meaning they are not functioning just a flexible part of the case, if you were to press both the power button and volume up/down button at the same time there would be a good amount of pressure between the two buttons. If it was easy to kink it with a thumb, I bet there would be enough pressure to kink it with the bumper/divider. Take a look at the divider between those two buttons. You can't tell very well but that divider is protruded outwards towards the phone not inwards away from it:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8njSxDff8WsZy1KX2o0QzEzbmc/view?usp=sharing
Again, I may be wrong but I believe that's the only explanation of why some are bent/kinked and others are fine. Still, it's sad that the phone is this weak but if I'm right at least it's preventable.
Guess a hard plastic back (Speck / Ringke etc) is important for a case - on this phone. The soft bendable TPU ones (Adopted / Spigen ) may not add to the structural integrity of the already weak frame.
Do you really think your theory is clever enough to warrant a new thread to the already numerous discussions about bent phones? Just to be clear, you're saying that a case is causing the phone to bend/kink right?
If anything, a rigid or even semi rigid case can only add structural integrity. Would it have helped if the case had more reinforcement by the buttons? Probably. But it shouldn't matter in the first place - a (seemingly) high end phone like this shouldn't have a major problem like this. I, along with most people on this forum, remember laughing at the iphone 6 bendgate and how it was such a weak phone. Jokes on us - the iphone was built like a tank compared to the 6p. Did you hear about an iphone 6 bending because of the type of case it had? NO.
The 6p is VERY poorly designed and made with poor materials. It's not an option, it's a fact. This thread, along with hundreds of anecdotal posts with dozen of pictures wouldn't exist otherwise. Unless you handle your phone like a newborn, it WILL eventually bend/kink - maybe not tomorrow or next week but within a years time the vast majority will be completely ****** regardless of what case was used - sad but true.
stan54 said:
Do you really think your theory is clever enough to warrant a new thread to the already numerous discussions about bent phones? Just to be clear, you're saying that a case is causing the phone to bend/kink right?
If anything, a rigid or even semi rigid case can only add structural integrity. Would it have helped if the case had more reinforcement by the buttons? Probably. But it shouldn't matter in the first place - a (seemingly) high end phone like this shouldn't have a major problem like this. I, along with most people on this forum, remember laughing at the iphone 6 bendgate and how it was such a weak phone. Jokes on us - the iphone was built like a tank compared to the 6p. Did you hear about an iphone 6 bending because of the type of case it had? NO.
The 6p is VERY poorly designed and made with poor materials. It's not an option, it's a fact. This thread, along with hundreds of anecdotal posts with dozen of pictures wouldn't exist otherwise. Unless you handle your phone like a newborn, it WILL eventually bend/kink - maybe not tomorrow or next week but within a years time the vast majority will be completely ****** regardless of what case was used - sad but true.
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How did your post help anything? Thanks anyway for your time..
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How did your post help anything? Thanks anyway for your time..
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Lol but everyone forgots about the much larger majority are happy with this phone with no dents or kink..I'm not saying your wrong but we fotgrt that these couple threads are very small percentage of the devices sold . any phone you will find threads like this.
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How did your post help anything? Thanks anyway for your time..
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What is there to help? It doesn't matter what case someone uses. The weak construction of the phone is to blame in every instance...
stan54 said:
What is there to help? It doesn't matter what case someone uses. The weak construction of the phone is to blame in every instance...
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If it is proven that certain cases cause the kink, then users do not use said case meaning users do not get kink. Bad phone design is irrelevant at this point since none of us can change the design but all of us can change the case. Get it?
This will be my last response to you.
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@cryppie
I've had the Spigen Rugged Armor from day one on my phone for over a month now. My phone has no bends or dents whatsoever. Maybe I'm more careful with my phones than most, but I don't treat this phone any more carefully than I have all other phones I have owned.
I don't think that bump between the volume keys and the power button would cause the bend you are referring to. You can easily trim that bump away if you are really worried about it, but I think it's pointless since I don't see that little plastic bump on the case causing any issues.
spigen rugged armor on mine for over a month as well and no issues of bending or anything at all on my phone
I'm using the Spigen case. I have been using it for a couple months now without any issues. I think it's more of a quality control thing where some devices are defective honestly.
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If it is proven that certain cases cause the kink, then users do not use said case meaning users do not get kink. Bad phone design is irrelevant at this point since none of us can change the design but all of us can change the case. Get it?
This will be my last response to you.
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I get what you're trying to say but it makes no logical sense. Not only is it impossible for a case to cause a protruding kink but people are getting identical failures regardless of if/what case they are using. Likewise, others have not had any issues with the spigen rugged armour you claim is causing the problem. The only thing you might get out of this thread is what the most popular cases are. Such a weak correlation cannot "prove" anything especially not causality.
I started with the Verus HighPro Shield case, and kept it on for a while. Recently I switched to a Spigen Neo Hybrid EX. Both are TPU cases with an additional rigid polycarbonate bumper frame around the edge. My phone has no bends or kinks of any kind.
P.S. - I had never used this type of a case before, but it is my favorite kind now. I also have a MoKo Holo, which is a hard polycarbonate back plate molded to a TPU bumper. I absolutely hate how that feels. I suspect I will also dislike other similar cases (Spigen Ultra Hybrid, Supcase Slim, and Ringke Fusion). The TPU bumpers always make the buttons feel very mushy to me, and the hard back just lets too much lint in right away, as it can't hug the phone like a TPU back does.
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Of those that have seen a kink appear near the power or volume buttons - Are your buttons tight and give firm click, or do they have some movement (sideways/wobble) or maybe rattle slightly?
Maybe loose buttons could allow the thin aluminium frame the space to kink when flexed - When buttons are tight there is no space/air gap for the frame to bend, the buttons might be providing the extra rigidity.
Personally my buttons are tight with zero movement. They give a nice click when pressed. Ive not seen any issues with kinks or bending on my phone. It sits in my front jean pockets most of the time, bending down, getting in cars etc. Not a single problem. I only have a Nillkin Nature soft case on it which adds no protection against bending.
My phone is just as flawless as the day I got it. Nothing that has been reported is affecting mine... no bending, no scratching of the paint (Graphite), and no pink hue on the screen. Absolutely none of that stuff is happening so I personally think that these people just got a bad batch or something because I'm not handling this phone any different than any of my previous phones. Case in point, if you look at all the videos where people try to bend their phones none of them are the same. There's videos of people who tried as hard as they could to bend the phone and were unsuccessful and even those that did manage to bend it there was some serious white-knuckle work needed to get it to do so.
I used the Ultra clear hybrid case for $13.99 on Amazon but sent it back. I removed it several times times in the week I used it. No bend gate here. I just prefer the phones the way that were intended. I didn't buy a metal phone to cover it with plastic etc. ...
Ii have a leather pouch that I use to carry device but I'm pure naked, cases add and disrupt the natural algorithm. My Note 4 has no case and it looks perfect still
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Your assumption is wrong regarding the Spigen and Adopted causing a 'kink' or damage to the phone. We all should be familiar with the phrase correlation != causation I own both causes along with 15 others, and the case is not the issus. I've used my Spigen Rugged Armor extensively on 3 different 6P's and non of them had an damage, issues, or defects around the area in question. The same can be said for the Google Adopted case which I used for over a week until my other cases arrived. My wife had her Adopted case on longer, yet her phone is perfectly fine too.
I haven't seen a single cause damage the phone even with how tight/hard to remove some of them are. This OP uses a logical fallacy which should be obvious to people st first sight. I am not saying my experiences are a tell tale for everyone, but if the issue was that common, it should have been reproducible via on of the 6Ps I've used with the cases mentioned.
Been using the Spigen Rugged Armor case for the past 2 weeks. No kinks yet or blemishes yet. Sometimes I remove the case to clean up some accumulated dust and lint but nothing much. The case itself isn't on too tight either. Fits well though.
lurker316 said:
Been using the Spigen Rugged Armor case for the past 2 weeks. No kinks yet or blemishes yet. Sometimes I remove the case to clean up some accumulated dust and lint but nothing much. The case itself isn't on too tight either. Fits well though.
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stan54 said:
Do you really think your theory is clever enough to warrant a new thread to the already numerous discussions about bent phones? Just to be clear, you're saying that a case is causing the phone to bend/kink right?
If anything, a rigid or even semi rigid case can only add structural integrity. Would it have helped if the case had more reinforcement by the buttons? Probably. But it shouldn't matter in the first place - a (seemingly) high end phone like this shouldn't have a major problem like this. I, along with most people on this forum, remember laughing at the iphone 6 bendgate and how it was such a weak phone. Jokes on us - the iphone was built like a tank compared to the 6p. Did you hear about an iphone 6 bending because of the type of case it had? NO.
The 6p is VERY poorly designed and made with poor materials. It's not an option, it's a fact. This thread, along with hundreds of anecdotal posts with dozen of pictures wouldn't exist otherwise. Unless you handle your phone like a newborn, it WILL eventually bend/kink - maybe not tomorrow or next week but within a years time the vast majority will be completely ****** regardless of what case was used - sad but true.
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Nice rant.
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Hi all,
This is a small post regarding the silicone case that I got from ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170283532114
After 10 business days or a bit more, finaly I got it and have been using it for the past three days.
Originates from HongKong, the case fits the HD nicely. No saggyness or
extra space, you drop in the phone and it fits good.
The thickness is not extremley thick nor thin, I wouldn't count on it to break
a 6 feet fall, but it will definately help protect it from day to day small bumps and just throwing around.
Touching the silicone material itself feels strange, as my previous silicone case was more on the sticky side. This feels a bit more like human skin (more or less) although I feel that my fingers glide with ease on it, holding it with a grip and putting it on different surfaces usually tends to make it hold with a better grip.
Attached are images taken with the HD.
One small note about the cuts/opennings in the case:
- Turning on/off the screen needs a bit of getting used to since the button is cuvered now.
- No small hole for the LED indicator (which till now doesn't bother me)
I have also included an image to show the size of the package, it is just a bit bigger than the case it self, and they also included a free screen protector (which i'll save for later use if needed).
Enjoy...
Fadi
Why open a new topic...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436060
The silicon cases from ebay look all the same...
hmmm Just wanted to have something quickly available for people rather than dig through that thread's pages. (so not really a post post post thread)
Since i read a lot about some different cases thought I'd share my thoughts on this
particular one so that if dear readers would want to buy.
@ MODERATOR, please feel free to remove Post if you see required.
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kokkie said:
Why open a new topic...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436060
The silicon cases from ebay look all the same...
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The problem with that thread is that so many other different types of cases have been posted and discussed in there, so much so that the topic does not match the case anymore and the silicon is just one of the ten thousand cases discussed there
May I request that in this thread, we discuss this case and this case only? If we discuss the other case, it should be for comparision purposes only.
I also use the same silicon case as Fadik, and really love it.
Besides protecting the paint, it also acts as a soft cushion against small knocks. Unlike the invisible shield, which I think would not offer any protection against knocks.
It has very cleverly resolved the issue of power on button and volume control. You can use these control without exposing them to your finger. Therefore, I expect my device to remain new longer, even at those two places.
Fadik, mine does not have a hole to show the led though. This is the only minor flaw of the design. The invisible shield on the other hand, will not have problem showing the led.
Curious how everyone else's phones have been holding up so far. The back of my phone is covered in little specks, which appear to be from pitting and minor surface scratches. It's very disappointing since I've had my phone permanently in a case since I've had it. I'm wondering if the metal is just so soft that little vibrations while in the case is causing marks.
I'm hoping there's a way I can get them out but seeing as it has a brushed finish, I don't see it being all that easy.
That's indeed pretty surprising (marks with a case on). I would think the only way this would be possible, is if there was some grit or sand between the case and the device. If this were in fact true, I can see it rubbing on the finish over time (as others here have also mentioned). Even so, the scratches would probably just be in isolated areas, not for the back to be covered in scratches, unless there was grit captured everywhere inside the case. Which is very unlikely, as you would have noticed that.
The other possibility is scratches from a hard plastic case (you haven't mentioned what kind you have). Again, this is something that some folks on here have observed. But folks have mentioned scratches in a few isolated locations (like the edges) not covering the back.
I have had a cheap soft TPU case on my M8 for a month and a half, and not a single visible scratch on the back, that I can find.
The dirt/sand certainly makes sense. But I've repeatedly taken out the case and cleaned it, and it appears like I'm getting more of these. The case, is a soft tpu clear case.
Further, I only rarely use this case once a day for an hour when I go to the gym. The rest of the time my phone sits in my leather pouch, which I KNOW there's no way that's scratching it.
It certainly shouldn't be getting marked up like this from such careful use. I'll try to post pics later.
Sorry for the linked images. You can download them to see full size. It's very difficult to capture up close. But you can see the specks all ordier the phone.
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Anyone? I'm wondering if there's a defect in my casing and if I should ask for a new one or not. Combined with my letters falling out my resale value is definitely going to hurt by this.
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Haven's seen anyone else complain about this. Its especially weird, since you have a case on the phone. I can only guess the finish is delaminating or falling off, regardless if any external wear/contact is present or not.
I'd say its a warranty issue, between this and the letters coming off. But you won't get a new one. AT&T's policy is that you get a refurb after 14 days of purchase. And I've heard mixed reports on the refurbs (on past devices). Some are indistinguishable from new; while others are beat up, or may even have some hardware issues that weren't fixed properly.
A refurb is exactly what I'm afraid of. I don't want to trade in a phone with cosmetic issues for one with potentially worse issues. Any way of getting them to send a new one? AT&T has been nothing short of great for me in the past but Idk about getting a new phone replacement.
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Any way of getting them to send a new one? AT&T has been nothing short of great for me in the past but Idk about getting a new phone replacement.
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Its not in their policy. But you can always ask . . . than complain, kick and scream, etc.
Its also not in their policy to let folks switch to another brand/model. But I've seen that happen when folks complain enough. Highlight how long you've been a customer, if you have multiple lines, etc. Not sure if they have ever sent out brand new phones for warranty claims. But it sure doesn't hurt to try.
Just thought I'd add, I'm having the exact same issue with the Google Play Edition in a clear TPU case too! Were you using a Spigen case by any chance?
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Just thought I'd add, I'm having the exact same issue with the Google Play Edition in a clear TPU case too! Were you using a Spigen case by any chance?
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Wow, strange, mine too, exact same case. I took the case off the other day to clean it, it was looking nasty, and sure enough there was like some kind of grit in there. I bet that's what's doing it. Of course that's the least of my worries, it fell out of my pocket and I ran this thing over with my tractor, and crushed the side so far that I had to pry out the volume buttons, they were stuck, lol, had tire marks across the screen even. This thing is a tough phone!
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Wow, strange, mine too, exact same case. I took the case off the other day to clean it, it was looking nasty, and sure enough there was like some kind of grit in there. I bet that's what's doing it. Of course that's the least of my worries, it fell out of my pocket and I ran this thing over with my tractor, and crushed the side so far that I had to pry out the volume buttons, they were stuck, lol, had tire marks across the screen even. This thing is a tough phone!
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Haha, very nice. Good to hear it'll survive a tractor lol. I feel like I should leave a review on that case. It seems to be flawed if it's allowing grit in. I'd consider my use quite typical, not near any sand or dirt. I'm pretty sure that lost me $100 in resellability.
A few people at reddit are reporting that the glass visor on the back of the 6P (on the camera hump) has spontaneously shattered on their phones. The phone was sitting on a table, not being used, and the glass suddenly just cracked.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3rwc6p/nexus_6p_back_glass_window_has_just_spontaneously/
This recalls the days when people reported similar experiences with the glass back on the Nexus 4. Some at the time speculated it had to do with heat differentials that the glass back of the Nexus 4 could not handle.
In the case of the 6P, some people in the thread say that the glass visor on the back of the phone directly abuts the surrounding metal, without the sort of plastic buffer ring that usually separates screens from a metal chassis. This means there is no protection for the glass visor from sheer forces (against the edge of the glass, rather than the face of the glass). Apparently Gorilla Glass is designed to take direct impact to the surface of the glass, at the cost of being less resistant to sheer forces. Others in the reddit thread also suggest that the metal body expanding at a different rate, due to temperature differentials, could produce the necessary sheer force to shatter the glass visor.
Anyone here experiencing problems with the glass visor shattering?
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A few people at reddit are reporting that the glass visor on the back of the 6P (on the camera hump) has spontaneously shattered on their phones. The phone was sitting on a table, not being used, and the glass suddenly just cracked.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3rwc6p/nexus_6p_back_glass_window_has_just_spontaneously/
This recalls the days when people reported similar experiences with the glass back on the Nexus 4. Some at the time speculated it had to do with heat differentials that the glass back of the Nexus 4 could not handle.
In the case of the 6P, some people in the thread say that the glass visor on the back of the phone directly abuts the surrounding metal, without the sort of plastic buffer ring that usually separates screens from a metal chassis. This means there is no protection for the glass visor from sheer forces (against the edge of the glass, rather than the face of the glass). Apparently Gorilla Glass is designed to take direct impact to the surface of the glass, at the cost of being less resistant to sheer forces. Others in the reddit thread also suggest that the metal body expanding at a different rate, due to temperature differentials, could produce the necessary sheer force to shatter the glass visor.
Anyone here experiencing problems with the glass visor shattering?
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Been posted already.
No issues here yet, also my Nexus 4 is still going strong without a case and no shattering either.
italia0101 said:
Been posted already.
No issues here yet, also my Nexus 4 is still going strong without a case and no shattering either.
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Oh, thanks, sorry to repost. I looked and couldn't find a thread. It will be interesting to see if this turns out to just be a few unlucky people or a more widespread issue.
[Edit: Since no one seems to be able to find the other thread or it may actually have been about something else--people dropping or bending their phones--I'm going to assume that this is in fact the only thread currently on the topic of the glass visor spontaneously cracking on it's own when the phone is not being touched or handled by the user at all.]
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Where is the original thread link? So we all discuss it there.
i say its a user error. I.E dropped, intentionally, or accidentally
enough with these posts gosh!! phone is rock solid!
Sounds like the kiddos in the other thread bending their phones being careless... just more people being careless. I have abused mine to an extent, wasn't able to bend any edges and certainly haven't broken the glass. I even dropped it hardwood already, no damage.
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Sounds like the kiddos in the other thread bending their phones being careless... just more people being careless. I have abused mine to an extent, wasn't able to bend any edges and certainly haven't broken the glass. I even dropped it hardwood already, no damage.
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This is definitely not what happened with the people in the reddit thread. Their phones were sitting on a table, not being handled at all, and they suddenly heard cracking sounds and the glass cracked on its own. So some sort of flaw in the glass or stress from the metal body on the glass (or both) caused the cracking.
From the OP of the reddit thread (and a couple others there report similar experiences):
https://imgur.com/u2ILh24
Well that was a surprise. For me, and the cat. It was sat on a table next to me when I heard the glass snap, leaving a little snowfall of shavings on the table under it. It's now continuing to crack away to itself.
See: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3rwc6p/nexus_6p_back_glass_window_has_just_spontaneously/
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Anyone here at XDA experience this?
cb474 said:
This is definitely not what happened with the people in the reddit thread. Their phones were sitting on a table, not being handled at all, and they suddenly heard cracking sounds and the glass cracked on its own. So some sort of flaw in the glass or stress from the metal body on the glass (or both) caused the cracking.
From the OP of the reddit thread (and a couple others there report similar experiences):
Anyone here at XDA experience this?
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Sounds like people just want to make up BS just because they weren't careful with their phone
While I am an honest person, if I weren't and managed to break the glass on my phone, I might be inclined to claim spontaneous breakage to get it warrantied. Take this crap with a grain of salt. There are a lot of folks that would do and say just about anything to avoid forking out the cash to replace their phone themselves when they busted it.
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While I am an honest person, if I weren't and managed to break the glass on my phone, I might be inclined to claim spontaneous breakage to get it warrantied. Take this crap with a grain of salt. There are a lot of folks that would do and say just about anything to avoid forking out the cash to replace their phone themselves when they busted it.
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I could see this being the case. Drop straight onto the back considering visor is raised from rest of the device.
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Sounds like the kiddos in the other thread bending their phones being careless... just more people being careless. I have abused mine to an extent, wasn't able to bend any edges and certainly haven't broken the glass. I even dropped it hardwood already, no damage.
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I fear that. The darn thing is so slippery. I ordered a intelliglass thing that I have on my N5 which works great and keeps the naked look. But I do moisturize my hands a lot these days.
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I fear that. The darn thing is so slippery. I ordered a intelliglass thing that I have on my N5 which works great and keeps the naked look. But I do moisturize my hands a lot these days.
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Haha! I'll give you that one.
I think that Nexus community is these days worse than Samsung or iphone fanboys. Anything that is pointed out of the device that there is fault is always said "shut up I love my N<3xus" While this 6P is clearly having major design flaws.
And this comes from a guy who has pre-ordered this phone and can't wait to get my hands on it but I don't want to close my eyes of those stupid design flaws.
So far what is it 2 or 3 cases of back visor smashed ....how many phones sold?......user error
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Sounds like people just want to make up BS just because they weren't careful with their phone
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While I am an honest person, if I weren't and managed to break the glass on my phone, I might be inclined to claim spontaneous breakage to get it warrantied. Take this crap with a grain of salt. There are a lot of folks that would do and say just about anything to avoid forking out the cash to replace their phone themselves when they busted it.
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We've already been down this road with the Nexus 4. People can put their head in the sand and refuse to believe it, but it is possible for glass parts on phones to break on their own, either due to temperature differentials or flaws in the overall design of the phone body (that puts stress on glass parts in ways they were not designed to handle). If you actually bother to read through the reddit thread, you can see there are a number of people knowledgeable about materials science explaining how this can happen.
In any case, it would be a dumb way to make up a story to try to get the phone replaced under warranty, precisely because people are inclined not to believe these stories and because people lack the sophistication to understand how glass can break in this way.
So, I don't doubt this really happened. Again if you bother to read the reddit thread, you can see the people involved seem credible.
The real question is: Will this turn out to be a fluke with a couple phones or is this going to be a more widespread problem?
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We've already been down this road with the Nexus 4.
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I remember loads of cases of back glass broken.
I had N4 for a year and then my gf had it. She is not as careful as me. Phone been dropped few times and no problems.
So I really hope its not a problem in here
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CandyAndy said:
I think that Nexus community is these days worse than Samsung or iphone fanboys. Anything that is pointed out of the device that there is fault is always said "shut up I love my N<3xus" While this 6P is clearly having major design flaws.
And this comes from a guy who has pre-ordered this phone and can't wait to get my hands on it but I don't want to close my eyes of those stupid design flaws.
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3 or 4 glass issues over thousands of shipping
Yeah you are right... we should not act like fanboys,
it's clearly a design flaw spreading out all over the world !!
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I remember loads of cases of back glass broken.
I had N4 for a year and then my gf had it. She is not as careful as me. Phone been dropped few times and no problems.
So I really hope its not a problem in here
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Yes, just as there were many broken glass backs on the iPhone 4 and looking around a little it seems to be a pretty common problem with the Galaxy S6 and Note5. I have no doubt there will be many broken glass visors on the Nexus 6P, from people droppping it. I have been pretty lucky, with my Nexus 4; dropped it a couple times over the years, even on concrete, and no broken glass back; although I never took the original plastic covering off the back in the hopes that would protect it some.
But, just to emphasize the point, since most people are totally missing the point, what is being discussed in this thread is a design flaw in which the visor shatters on its own, not due to users dropping the phone. This could be due to rapid temperature differentials or to flaws in the way the glass visor abuts the aluminum body and is put under sheer stresses, for which the glass was not designed.
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3 or 4 glass issues over thousands of shipping
Yeah you are right... we should not act like fanboys,
it's clearly a design flaw spreading out all over the world !!
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Not that many people have the phone yet. Many people may also not be posting about the issue online. So your "3 or 4" out of thousands are pretty much just made up numbers. Three or four have been reported. There could be more out there. And not that many people have the phone yet. Once the shipping numbers are more in the millions, then will see how common it is.
In any case, whatever happens, it does not mean that it is not a stupid design decision to use extra glass (a fragile material) where it is not necessary. Especially when so many other phones have already demonstrated why this is a bad idea. Even if the spontaneous shattering visor issue turns out to only affect very few people, the fact will remain the 6P is more vulnerable to damage when dropped than necessary. Since people carry their phones everywhere and constantly take them in and out of their pockets, it's a device that should be designed with durability in mind. You can't prevent every accident, but you can minimize the damage they cause.
I wish Google had learned their lesson from the Nexus 4. Sure, a small glass visor is better than an entirely glass back like on the Nexus 4. But it's still unnecessary. I'll bet Samsung will not put a glass back on the Galaxy S7 or Note6, realizing that it was a bad idea like everyone else who's tried it. This will leave only Google with the dubious distinction of repeating the glass on the back of the phone mistake twice. Not only can Google not learn from others mistakes, they can't even learn from their own.
I bought a Nexus hoping that this device will last me for years to come.
But I am having doubts that if it will last long without a cover.
I decided not to put a cover on the phone just to make the phone always look good and not be one of those people who are always scared of getting scratches on their phone. However, just after 1 month of usage, the phone is literally having marks and scratches everywhere on the phone (including the visor) except the screen.
Even my 5 and 4 year old Samsung Galaxy 3 and Note 1 which never had a cover either don't have these many scratches, even today.
Why you let me down Huawei?
Is putting a cover the only option I have got?
Hi there,
I have my 6P for 10 months now with case 100% of the time.
Does it help? No.
When I take out the phone, I can see small scratches and dents. This is because some dust particles get in from time to time. This way when the case and the phone move a little touching each other, the surface of the phone is scratched.
It is disappointing.
I have my note 3 which haven't been in a case and it's more than 3 years old now, and does not have so many marks in the back.
This trend to make devices all metal is the dummest thing ever. At least they can put on some coating on the metal or something. :/
This is by far the most fragile phone I've ever had.
I've had mine since Nov 9th 2015. It's been in a case and a tempered glass screen protector since then. Just took it out and it's still mint. No scratches or anything. I also got the graphite.
Agreed, fragile AF!!!! LOL bent two of them in pocket without even doing anything extreme and i dont even wear jeans i wear comfy chinos. LOL so yeah got replacements for those.
TBH i've never seen anyone able to keep their phone in pristine condition with no case. granted they're probably more careful. But AFAIK, the moment they drop it there goes the phone. personally, I'm clumsy enough to warrant a case so i invested in a good Spigen one (see signature) and promptly dropped it on rough tarmac a week into ownership. I'd say if i had no case on, I'd have lost this phone.
Regarding your scratches on your phone, yes. This is aluminum. It's a soft metal. What are you expecting? Have you seen a pristine no case iPhone? This isn't really a "fault". A little bit of adjusting of expectations is in order. I personally like the polycarbonate that I had on my HTC one X of old. Even Samsung's plastic doesn't hold as well against the strength of polycarbonate.
Okay maybe 6p is not the toughest phone around, but comparing it with old samsung devices made of plastic is plain stupid. Its fricking aluminium, soft metal, show me one metal phone without scratches, i can assure you, you cant.
Better to have marks than totally broken phone. I dont use or even have case and I have dropped mine a few times and its not bad. A few marks here on the edges and there and tempered glass has saved the screen once. I have noticed I have much better luck with screens being ok after drops with aluminum phones than I had with plastic ones that always got broken screen when dropped even from low height.
I agree is a bit sensitive, a little flower if you wanna go there.
But it's our responsibility to keep it safe knowing this. I also wanted to use mine naked as it looks better and lighter this way, but it's so prone to on falling and hitting on something that I won't take the chance.
You can get good looking cases as well, Spigen for example looks good and protects it good.
Yeah kills a bit the aspect and gets slightly heavier, but it adds to protection and it's worth it.
Occasionally remove it and clean it to dust it off particles that enter occasionally.
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TBH i've never seen anyone able to keep their phone in pristine condition with no case. granted they're probably more careful. But AFAIK, the moment they drop it there goes the phone. personally, I'm clumsy enough to warrant a case so i invested in a good Spigen one (see signature) and promptly dropped it on rough tarmac a week into ownership. I'd say if i had no case on, I'd have lost this phone.
Regarding your scratches on your phone, yes. This is aluminum. It's a soft metal. What are you expecting? Have you seen a pristine no case iPhone? This isn't really a "fault". A little bit of adjusting of expectations is in order. I personally like the polycarbonate that I had on my HTC one X of old. Even Samsung's plastic doesn't hold as well against the strength of polycarbonate.
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True, but the old phones were quite sturdy, and by old I don't mean Nokia 3310, I mean Androids that came out till the 4.4 era.
Check out the photo of my attached I5800.
Not a single scratch on the screen, only the silver plating has come off.
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True, but the old phones were quite sturdy, and by old I don't mean Nokia 3310, I mean Androids that came out till the 4.4 era.
Check out the photo of my attached I5800.
Not a single scratch on the screen, only the silver plating has come off.
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I dont agree. In the past I always had to change my screen once or phone was full of marks if I didnt cover phone in some kind of casing. Now I dont even bother using a case as the last time I broke a screen from a phone was with Note 2 that I dropped into a puddle on asphalt. For example I had really really bad luck with my M8 like slipping a couple of times and it flew many meters high and landed face down and nothing. A few tempered screens but nothing else than some cosmetic marks. I feel the newer are much much better built than the phones like SGS2, Galaxy Nexus, Desire series etc etc.
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True, but the old phones were quite sturdy, and by old I don't mean Nokia 3310, I mean Androids that came out till the 4.4 era.
Check out the photo of my attached I5800.
Not a single scratch on the screen, only the silver plating has come off.
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that silver plating that has come off is the equivalent to any scratches you find on the back of the phone from putting/taking out of your pockets. It's just normal wear and tear. We need to keep in mind the material strength of the metal/plastic/polycarbonate/glass. The 6p's screen uses Corning gorilla glass 4. That stuff is virtually unscratchable from normal use. Of course you're not going to find much scuffs there compared to its soft aluminum body.
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True, but the old phones were quite sturdy, and by old I don't mean Nokia 3310, I mean Androids that came out till the 4.4 era.
Check out the photo of my attached I5800.
Not a single scratch on the screen, only the silver plating has come off.
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Wait a minute. I'm confused lol. You said the 6P is the most fragile phone you've ever used but now the damage or color loss in that pic is clearly worse. Not sure if trolling or...
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that silver plating that has come off is the equivalent to any scratches you find on the back of the phone from putting/taking out of your pockets. It's just normal wear and tear. We need to keep in mind the material strength of the metal/plastic/polycarbonate/glass. The 6p's screen uses Corning gorilla glass 4. That stuff is virtually unscratchable from normal use. Of course you're not going to find much scuffs there compared to its soft aluminum body.
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I am not talking about the screen, that thing is literally unscratched.
The rest of the phone is pretty weak though.
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Wait a minute. I'm confused lol. You said the 6P is the most fragile phone you've ever used but now the damage or color loss in that pic is clearly worse. Not sure if trolling or...
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Mate, that's a 5 year old phone.
This is a 1 month old phone.
Well as mentioned it is aluminum. By nature, it's a very soft metal. Think soda can. Obviously it isn't going to be indestructible like some older plastic phones you mentioned earlier. If you're looking for a tank of a phone, maybe you should have considered something else. Nexus line was never really meant to be "premium" and has always been cheaper than other highly marketed flagships. Like mentioned earlier, maybe managing expectations based on this info which has always been the case is in order. I get that you don't like it, so maybe your best bet is to sell and get another phone? I can't speak to the Nexus 6, but I've had my Nexus 5 since launch 2013 and it is still in mint condition. For that I only use the bumper case (wraps around the phone, doesn't cover the back) and still no small wear and tear scratches. Just one big one that I accidentally did with a razor blade.
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I am not talking about the screen, that thing is literally unscratched.
The rest of the phone is pretty weak though.
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It's no different from any other aluminum phone. you can't expect it to be as resistant as plastic... we've been trying to tell you this. I really am not sure what you are expecting an aluminum body to be.
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Well as mentioned it is aluminum. By nature, it's a very soft metal. Think soda can. Obviously it isn't going to be indestructible like some older plastic phones you mentioned earlier. If you're looking for a tank of a phone, maybe you should have considered something else. Nexus line was never really meant to be "premium" and has always been cheaper than other highly marketed flagships. Like mentioned earlier, maybe managing expectations based on this info which has always been the case is in order. I get that you don't like it, so maybe your best bet is to sell and get another phone? I can't speak to the Nexus 6, but I've had my Nexus 5 since launch 2013 and it is still in mint condition. For that I only use the bumper case (wraps around the phone, doesn't cover the back) and still no small wear and tear scratches. Just one big one that I accidentally did with a razor blade.
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Yes, I get it now.
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It's no different from any other aluminum phone. you can't expect it to be as resistant as plastic... we've been trying to tell you this. I really am not sure what you are expecting an aluminum body to be.
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Titanium.
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Titanium.
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Well in that case it would be exactly as expensive as other flagships. :silly:
Little heavier, too.
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Titanium.
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i would jump on that phone LOL
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Well in that case it would be exactly as expensive as other flagships. :silly:
Little heavier, too.
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Doesn't matter. **** will be the best phone ever.
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i would jump on that phone LOL
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I would sell everything I have for it.
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Doesn't matter. **** will be the best phone ever.
I would sell everything I have for it.
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You also have to take into account that Titanium isn't as effective as aluminum when it comes to heat transfer, so you'd have a warmer phone which would suffer from higher amounts of thermal throttling.
This case looks promising, but I don't know. It has no reviews anywhere, and was only featured for an old Samsung s6. If anyone on here has it or wants to try it let me know. It comes with glass screen protector, and it's apparently all screwed in. The pricetag is also sort of hefty so idk.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/IMATCH-Alu...hash=item2870b06b48:m:mzVBS8NkURWPndburZIVdig
Damn thing is a tank
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Id be worried about cell reception with all that aluminum. If you get it be sure to do a before and after signal test for us.
Learned my lesson with aluminum cases, it ALWAYS affects signal.
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This case looks promising, but I don't know. It has no reviews anywhere, and was only featured for an old Samsung s6. If anyone on here has it or wants to try it let me know. It comes with glass screen protector, and it's apparently all screwed in. The pricetag is also sort of hefty so idk.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/IMATCH-Alu...hash=item2870b06b48:m:mzVBS8NkURWPndburZIVdig
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I'm actually sending mine back this week. It's just way too impractical. The screen protector it comes with is very cheap so I didn't bother. It's also one of those cases that covers the bottom speaker and routes it to fire forward. I don't like that. You have to unscrew everything just to put the phone in and out and the metal frame, the way it rests on the phone, it doesn't give me a lot of confidence. In fact, I'm afraid it could help put enough pressure on the display to crack it with the way it's designed. Maybe I'm being too paranoid but it's not worth the risk, IMO.
Also, the little pin/lever thing on the side that's meant to move your volume slider? It doesn't work. I have to use two fingers to move both ends at the same time but it doesn't move the slider. Only the plastic pins move. So forget about being able to adjust the volume slider above the power button.
The case in general is just too bulky. I'm a pretty big guy and this case still feels too bulky and awkward to hold. It reminds me of the early days of Otterbox cases when they wanted to promote this "tank" protection-level mentality but today as you can see they've slimmed down and become more practical.
They're keeping about $7 for returning it, regardless of Prime or what return method you choose. FYI.