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My new job is getting my whole department the verizon phone of our choice. What's the most hackable? Which runs CM the best? Etc?
Thanks in advance!
Rhy
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My new job is getting my whole department the verizon phone of our choice. What's the most hackable? Which runs CM the best? Etc?
Thanks in advance!
Rhy
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Depends on what your options are... The best would be to get a Developer Edition of any of the premium phones. However, these are typically only available online and/or at full retail, so probably not gonna be much of an option there. Otherwise, most of the phones from VZW are gonna have a much smaller dev community for a couple reasons: they are still mostly CDMA and much of the development goes for the GSM versions because they share much more with worldwide phones so it is easier to port or use different mods across the carriers AND VZW specifically asks the manufacturers to lock the bootloader, which creates all kinds of trouble for those wanting custom recoveries and kernels. All of the newer Android flagships are great phones in some manner or another. Everyone has different likes and dislikes. You just have to figure out which features are most important because no phone does everything perfectly and everyone uses their phone differently. Things to consider:
Battery life - Do you HAVE to have your phone make it all day?
Prefer something with a removable battery?
Screen / phone size - How big is too big?
Do you need external storage?
Camera quality / speed
Are you being given a budget or just carte blanche?
Is AOSP / CM a MUST...? Because with the locked bootloader situation for most VZW phones, you'll have to research that for feasibility (and stablity)...
Do you need any other special features like Miracast, DLNA, USB OTG, etc?
Are you an accessories fan? Not all phones have that many aftermarket accessories.
So, that's a good starting point at least to start weighing pros and cons.
In NO particular order, here are the best phones from VZW to consider:
Samsung Galaxy S4 / S5
Samsung Galaxy Note 3
HTC One M7 / Max / M8
LG G2
Moto X
Moto Droid Ultra / Maxx
Are you sure you want to hack a company phone?
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Two words: hell yes. I'm leading towards the note 3 at the moment. Seems like the community is in good shape for that one.
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Hey everyone. Some of you may have seen me before on various LG forums, like the Optimus G, and the G2 (I've definitely seen some of you guys before on the OG forums), and I have a question for you guys who own the Sprint G3. Are you guys happy with your device? Like ROM wise, battery life, the entire experience in general. As of today March 1st, I'm eligible for an upgrade, and I was thinking of getting the G3. But I've been ghosting around the forums to spot any rooting quirks and goofs, and I've seen some regarding data on custom ROMs and stuff, which I'm kinda on the fence about. I'm planning on keeping my N5 for the AOSP ROMs, but this phone has terrible battery life, compared to the G2 I've owned for two weeks before I permanently switched to the N5. I see there's a decent selection of AOSP ROMs available for the G3, but I'm not too worried about that because I have my Nexus.
Tl;Dr: are you guys happy with your G3, and do you think its worth the upgrade, or should I wait for new devices to come out?
Get on GSM if you can. This CDMA crap has an always be problematic. GSM phones get way more love than the stupid sprint cdma garbage. We have great stuff going on here. Yet still better support for GSM. Battery life is great and the phone rocks.
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As for me I am seriously contemplating getting a Nexus 6 just so I can get stock android without CDMA problems. All I want is stock. If I had the knowledge to make this phone what I want I would. I do not so I am at the will of others. No complaints though. So much great stuff has happened for this LS990.
As a previous owner of several G2's (Sprint variants) I'm happy that I now have a G3 finally (and yes it's the Sprint model). Having said that, I'm currently "stuck" at the moment because of a damaged digitizer but I'll be ordering a new display assembly here in short order hopefully.
Comparing the G3 vs the N5 directly it's pretty blatantly obvious that the G3 is vastly superior in most every respect that matters - I'm wondering if you meant to say the N6 instead because that would be more aligned in a comparison in terms of hardware:
- same resolution screens albeit LCD vs AMOLED, 5.5" vs 5.96" - the G3 "looks" sharper because of the much higher PPI at 538 vs 493 for the N6 - I have two friends that own an N6 at this time and the one thing I hear from them most often is they love the color saturation of the AMOLED panel but they wish it was LCD because in direct sunlight the AMOLED just washes out pretty severely, and I am the same way: I love AMOLED color representation but outside in daylight, forget it, the G3 wins without question (my opinion based on my own usage and experience, however)
- the N6 is technically more powerful with the Snapdragon 805 at 2.7 GHz vs the G3 with the 801 at 2.5 GHz but the difference is negligible in actual day to day performance
- 3GB of RAM in each device (given you have the 32GB model from Sprint) so that's a draw
- form factor isn't that different save for getting used to the G3 having the rear mounted controls, it takes a little getting used to but in the long run I've come to find it works fine for me after that "honeymoon" period
- pure stock Android on the N6 vs the very nicely themed G3 experience, this one is simply a personal preference and nothing more: I prefer the G3's UI actually; when I had my G2(s) over the past year I ran CloudyG3 on them (now properly renamed to CloudyG2, however) and loved it. I can see why people prefer the stock Android even in spite of them using some third party launcher like Nova or something else even so
- microSD slot for increased storage + the removable battery pushes the G3 into the lead for me, however - I'm not saying it's better automagically just because the hardware supports it, I'm saying that for me it's better because I prefer such aspects in my smartphones, those two things were lacking in the G2 and I'm happy that LG came around and added them because it makes the G3 nearly perfect to me (I wish it just had a 1920x1080 display, however)
- battery life is an important aspect as well and I'm confident that the G3 with Lollipop (since it's now available, even for the Sprint variant) should get improved battery life (there's that memory glitch with 5.0.1 but I'm sure it'll be addressed soon enough). Can't speak for the N5 or the N6 with respect to battery life but I'm pretty sure the G3 may give better results. GSMArena gave the N6 a 70 hour endurance rating and the G3 a 63 in the same test, so they're very similar overall depending on usage
Also realize that because of how the G3 is designed with the back-mounted buttons, the 5.5" display on it and the entire casing of the G3 takes up less space than the N6 does - the N6 is a very large device overall, a monster sized phone these days so that may play into your decision as well. There's a size comparison at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBrbCB50wJ0 - pretty dramatic difference.
But these kinds of comparisons are a dime a dozen these days, you've probably done the research already anyway, iamterence, so none of this is really new. What you have to decide is only something you can decide, as the case may be:
Which device suits your needs and requirements best...
What I suggest to people is sit down for a few minutes and do a pros/cons list of the things you need and require a smartphone in today's world to do for you given your usage expectations, then find a device that most closely matches the pros while having the least cons. It takes a while to do it obviously but when you're done you should have a lock on which device will be your choice.
If it's the G3 vs the N5, I'll take the G3 anytime. If it's the G3 vs the N6, I'd still take the G3 because I just prefer what it offers - pure stock Android on a Nexus is a nice thing, but it's lacking to me in many respects.
Also, I do agree with what was said above about the CDMA vs GSM thing overall but the G2 and the G3 really don't have much issues with getting GSM functionality. I personally can't stand LTE for various reasons but that's another thread altogether, so for me using HSPA+ on these devices is better in my situation and gives me 35Mbps or better where I live in Las Vegas which is pretty much saturated by T-Mobile service (my carrier of choice). If your intention - as a Sprint customer - is to use the device with that carrier then that whole CDMA vs GSM thing is a moot point anyway. If, however, you hope to use the device with another provider based on AT&T or T-Mobile's networks aka GSM then understand that unlocking the domestic GSM usage for the G3 isn't that tough at all, really.
Again, do the list, find what you need and require then match it.
I'd say grab the G3 and run with it but, you're the one that has to make the final decision.
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KnockOn/KnockOff/KnockCode... once you start using it you will seriously wonder why every smartphone hasn't been doing this since day one.
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As a previous owner of several G2's (Sprint variants) I'm happy that I now have a G3 finally (and yes it's the Sprint model). Having said that, I'm currently "stuck" at the moment because of a damaged digitizer but I'll be ordering a new display assembly here in short order hopefully.
Comparing the G3 vs the N5 directly it's pretty blatantly obvious that the G3 is vastly superior in most every respect that matters - I'm wondering if you meant to say the N6 instead because that would be more aligned in a comparison in terms of hardware:
- same resolution screens albeit LCD vs AMOLED, 5.5" vs 5.96" - the G3 "looks" sharper because of the much higher PPI at 538 vs 493 for the N6 - I have two friends that own an N6 at this time and the one thing I hear from them most often is they love the color saturation of the AMOLED panel but they wish it was LCD because in direct sunlight the AMOLED just washes out pretty severely, and I am the same way: I love AMOLED color representation but outside in daylight, forget it, the G3 wins without question (my opinion based on my own usage and experience, however)
- the N6 is technically more powerful with the Snapdragon 805 at 2.7 GHz vs the G3 with the 801 at 2.5 GHz but the difference is negligible in actual day to day performance
- 3GB of RAM in each device (given you have the 32GB model from Sprint) so that's a draw
- form factor isn't that different save for getting used to the G3 having the rear mounted controls, it takes a little getting used to but in the long run I've come to find it works fine for me after that "honeymoon" period
- pure stock Android on the N6 vs the very nicely themed G3 experience, this one is simply a personal preference and nothing more: I prefer the G3's UI actually; when I had my G2(s) over the past year I ran CloudyG3 on them (now properly renamed to CloudyG2, however) and loved it. I can see why people prefer the stock Android even in spite of them using some third party launcher like Nova or something else even so
- microSD slot for increased storage + the removable battery pushes the G3 into the lead for me, however - I'm not saying it's better automagically just because the hardware supports it, I'm saying that for me it's better because I prefer such aspects in my smartphones, those two things were lacking in the G2 and I'm happy that LG came around and added them because it makes the G3 nearly perfect to me (I wish it just had a 1920x1080 display, however)
- battery life is an important aspect as well and I'm confident that the G3 with Lollipop (since it's now available, even for the Sprint variant) should get improved battery life (there's that memory glitch with 5.0.1 but I'm sure it'll be addressed soon enough). Can't speak for the N5 or the N6 with respect to battery life but I'm pretty sure the G3 may give better results. GSMArena gave the N6 a 70 hour endurance rating and the G3 a 63 in the same test, so they're very similar overall depending on usage
Also realize that because of how the G3 is designed with the back-mounted buttons, the 5.5" display on it and the entire casing of the G3 takes up less space than the N6 does - the N6 is a very large device overall, a monster sized phone these days so that may play into your decision as well. There's a size comparison at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBrbCB50wJ0 - pretty dramatic difference.
But these kinds of comparisons are a dime a dozen these days, you've probably done the research already anyway, iamterence, so none of this is really new. What you have to decide is only something you can decide, as the case may be:
Which device suits your needs and requirements best...
What I suggest to people is sit down for a few minutes and do a pros/cons list of the things you need and require a smartphone in today's world to do for you given your usage expectations, then find a device that most closely matches the pros while having the least cons. It takes a while to do it obviously but when you're done you should have a lock on which device will be your choice.
If it's the G3 vs the N5, I'll take the G3 anytime. If it's the G3 vs the N6, I'd still take the G3 because I just prefer what it offers - pure stock Android on a Nexus is a nice thing, but it's lacking to me in many respects.
Also, I do agree with what was said above about the CDMA vs GSM thing overall but the G2 and the G3 really don't have much issues with getting GSM functionality. I personally can't stand LTE for various reasons but that's another thread altogether, so for me using HSPA+ on these devices is better in my situation and gives me 35Mbps or better where I live in Las Vegas which is pretty much saturated by T-Mobile service (my carrier of choice). If your intention - as a Sprint customer - is to use the device with that carrier then that whole CDMA vs GSM thing is a moot point anyway. If, however, you hope to use the device with another provider based on AT&T or T-Mobile's networks aka GSM then understand that unlocking the domestic GSM usage for the G3 isn't that tough at all, really.
Again, do the list, find what you need and require then match it.
I'd say grab the G3 and run with it but, you're the one that has to make the final decision.
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You say that you're stick with Sprint because you have a damaged digitizer for your G3; is that because you flashed a ROM, or what? Because I remember back on the G2 forums, there was a VERY widespread screen damage problem that happened to a lot of people who flashed ROMs, and even to people who didn't. If that's a problem here as well, then I am instantly turned off, because that problem is just beyond stupid.
I know that GSM devices get mostly all the love as well, being stuck on CDMA myself for the past 3 years and counting. But the way I view it as: since I already have a Nexus device, with the G3, I'm actually gonna take the chance to appreciate stock debloated software, and maybe go AOSP if I'm feeling bored, but I plan on keeping my Nexus just in case I feel like going back to AOSP. But, to be completely honest though, AOSP gets a little boring after a while. See, I like minimal ROMs. I've flash a lot of ROMs on my device, but I always find myself coming back to near-vanilla ROMs, because I'm just not into all those features like that. Just give me a theme engine/RRO support, and maybe even a center clock mod, and I'm good to go.
Speaking of RRO, are there any ROMs here that support that yet? I really haven't looker, but Layers themes are AMAZING. I feel like they run more efficiently than the theme engine, but that can be a strictly placebo affect. If not, I know there's definitely theme engine, so I'm good either ways.
I'm actually kinda leaning towards the G3 myself now, and have been for a little while now. I guess I just needed something to solidify my decision. Really not into HTC phones, nor am I a big fan of Touchwiz, even with their clean slate revisiting. LG phones have never done me any wrong (Well, except for the G2 with it's screen problems), and we didn't get a 2nd gen Moto X, otherwise I'd hop on that in a heartbeat. The Nexus 6 is WAY too goddamn big for me, like way past my comfort zone. I travel across the country in a touring metal band, so something stupid would be bound to happen if I were to get that phone. I'd feel a lot more safer with that phone than with the goddamn whale that is the N6. But, like I said, I'd be getting the G3 to actually appreciate the stock LG software rather than trying to go nuts with AOSP.
If anything, if I don't like the G3, I'll just sell it for $250 or something.
No, I bought it with a cracked digitizer for $50 - the G3 itself is without any noticeable flaws and works great but the digitizer being cracked and non-functional leaves me with a device I can't use till I replace that (meaning the entire display assembly since the LCD and digitizer are fused; technically it's possible to separate them but I lack the expertise and the necessary hardware plus it's just not worth the hassles). The G2 issues in the past were an actual manufacturing defect on some particular devices, iirc, I could be wrong about that but it had something to do with specific LCD panels made by a specific manufacturer - it wasn't directly LG's fault, I mean, at least that's what I remember. There was an app you could run that would ID the exact panel in your G2 and then you'd know whether or not you might potentially have problems.
I've never ever heard of screen damage caused by ROM flashing - that just sounds a bit ridiculous, so perhaps there's just a misunderstanding of what those people were reporting. The one "issue" that the G3 suffered/suffers from is the fact that the super huge QHD resolution and scaling causing sharpness issues in some situations: either the onscreen image is too sharp or oversharp and loses clarity or it's not sharp enough and looks fuzzy. It's not a technical problem or a defect with the display, it's simple physics of the LCD being so high resolution at 2560x1440 and software/hardware scaling not being up to par - there are several fixes out that help alleviate the oversharpening but I can't speak for their effectiveness at this time till I can get this G3 of mine up and running again with the replacement display assembly.
Not sure what you're referring to with the "RRO" comment, and I'm not into themes at all personally. I typically use a black wallpaper on any device I own and keep everything 'stock' in terms of the UI itself which is why I said what I said about LG's stock UI on the G3 (and why I used it on the G2 with CloudyG3/G2). It's beautiful, incredibly functional, and fits the way I use the device better than "stock" Android ever could but again that's just me and my personal preference. I give LG big props and mad respect for it because it's gorgeous and gets the job done while being lean and mean while remaining snappy and responsive as well.
Aside from the Sprint bloatware (which can be disabled iirc, or removed entirely with root using Titanium Backup). I was using the G3 after I got it and my OTG cable with a mouse, actually. The damage to the digitizer was localized in most of the left and upper region - the bottom right quadrant was still functional but with the mouse plugged in the digitizer became irrelevant. No, I don't mean I was going to carry it around with a mouse, that would be ridiculous and stupid, I just mean that I got the G3 for that $50 knowing I'd be replacing the display assembly from the gitgo.
My mistake was that I decided to roll the firmware back to factory (ZV4) and in the process I didn't realize that LG has made some changes since the G2 release and they have this stupid "Mini OS" thing come up after a stock firmware flash - the only way to exit out of that Mini OS and into the normal firmware is to hold the Power button and tap a menu item onscreen which causes a popup to appear with an OK button - because the digitizer is/was damaged I wasn't able to press the OK button (it was like 1/16" of an inch inside the damaged area) so I was left with a truly dead G3 for all intents and purposes.
I tore it down yesterday and removed the display assembly and cleaned it all up so it's basically a fully functional G3 now waiting for a new display/digitizer which I hope to order here as soon as I can round up the funds, it'll be about $70-80 off eBay.
It's a damned nice smartphone, it really is. My own pros/cons list basically is like 99% pros for the G3 and just 1% con: I wish it had a 1920x1080 display on it because I have no use - I mean really, does anyone? - for such a high resolution on such a tiny display. I appreciate it, I do, but there's no legitimate purpose for such a resolution on such a small display: 1920x1080 would have been awesome enough, I would have been happy with it and had no issues but LG wanted to be the first to market with the QHD resolution and they made it happen with the G3.
Couldn't pass it up for $50...
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Hey everyone. Some of you may have seen me before on various LG forums, like the Optimus G, and the G2 (I've definitely seen some of you guys before on the OG forums), and I have a question for you guys who own the Sprint G3. Are you guys happy with your device? Like ROM wise, battery life, the entire experience in general. As of today March 1st, I'm eligible for an upgrade, and I was thinking of getting the G3. But I've been ghosting around the forums to spot any rooting quirks and goofs, and I've seen some regarding data on custom ROMs and stuff, which I'm kinda on the fence about. I'm planning on keeping my N5 for the AOSP ROMs, but this phone has terrible battery life, compared to the G2 I've owned for two weeks before I permanently switched to the N5. I see there's a decent selection of AOSP ROMs available for the G3, but I'm not too worried about that because I have my Nexus.
Tl;Dr: are you guys happy with your G3, and do you think its worth the upgrade, or should I wait for new devices to come out?
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I loved my OG and decided to go with this phone based off of my experience with that. I can honestly say I made the right choice. My normal routine with phones is to flash AOSP roms as soon as they are available, but with this phone, I've been pretty impressed with the custom stock roms and xposed. My battery life is great when I'm not using bluetooth, but one great thing is the charge time on this phone has greatly improved over the OG.
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I loved my OG and decided to go with this phone based off of my experience with that. I can honestly say I made the right choice. My normal routine with phones is to flash AOSP roms as soon as they are available, but with this phone, I've been pretty impressed with the custom stock roms and xposed. My battery life is great when I'm not using bluetooth, but one great thing is the charge time on this phone has greatly improved over the OG.
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Yeah, I'm definitely interested to see how stock debloated Lollipop runs on this phone. Its just weird hearing that the battery life is just "okay" considering that the G2 had amazing battery life. But I guess the G3 would be an improvement over the N5 anyways, this thing has horrid battery life. Think I'm gonna go to Best Buy tomorrow and snag a G3 for a dollar, instead of getting one from Sprint for $50.
OK, I'm on a Nexus 6, running Chroma ROM, loving the rooted Marshmallow life on Project Fi. I was looking forward to more of the same with the 128GB 6P. Then I started checking into the V10.
Here is what is *almost* making me hit the cancel button on my N6P order: 2nd screen, ESS Sabre DAC/AMP (the main reason is this actually), and I personally prefer the LG displays vs Amoled. (Color and white accuracy > saturated pop.) The V10 looks a bit better IMO too, but looks are pretty far down my list of considerations. Until proven otherwise, I'll consider cameras on the 6p vs v10 to be a wash. I also don't think the 808 vs 810 thing will be a huge deal for me either.
I've owned the G2 and G3 and liked it, but don't at all care for LG's UI customizations vs stock android. It's worse than touch wiz in some ways. Not as bad in others.
I'm an audiophile and I'd love to ditch my external headphone DAC/AMP. I'd really like to enjoy the V10, but not sure I can give up the freedom of a Nexus. So... Convince me!
Don't forget the removable SD (up to 1TB of music for you) and removable battery.
Nobody can convince you but yourself. I cancelled my 6P order for several reasons. IR Blaster (yes I use it all the time), V10 is the first phone using Qualcomm's TruSignal radio, second screen, IPS vs OLED, video features, the LG camera are already among the finest in cellphones, serious drop protection, among others. I'm one of the few maybe? Who actually likes the features that LG has added to their phones as opposed to vanilla Android. 4GB RAM, 808 is a fine processor. Qi charging backs available, removable battery and SD card slots. Those are the reasons I hit the cancel button.
I've sort of thought about getting myself the V10.
I want the Nexus 6P very bad, however unless AT&T picks it up wihtin the next two months I am more than likely going to have to find another phone or jump through a lot of hoops to get it.
That said, I have had my G3 since a month after it was released, this is the longest time I have ever held onto a phone.. Without rooting it, I might add.
I have used plenty of android devices, all were rooted. I love root, but I feel as Android is evolving I have had less of a need to root, though I would really like to hear that the bootloader on the V10 will be easily unlocked...
I sort of thought the second screen was going to be a gimmick. Now I am rethinking that. I absolutely love my G3 camera. I don't mind the LG UI in fact and that is one of the biggest reasons I have kept the phone this long. Unlike TouchWiz which will keep me from buying another Samsung phone for years to come, or Sense which I will not try again in the foreseeable future, the UI is not over bearing, almost keeps the vanilla android look perfectly.. It doesn't eat up a ton of RAM, and is pretty darn snappy.
I think I may end up with this device, I will wait until reviews of the N6P and this device come out to make a final decision, as well as wait and see if carriers in the US are allowed/decide to carry the Nexus.
You have to make the decision yourself, OP. I'll say this much - I don't need root at this point, sure it's a bonus, but not needed - so I lean toward this device.
Stainless steel, rubber, 2 gorilla glass coverings, sd card, removable battery, 2nd screen, 2 selfie cams and the video record features.
I can re-skin the UI, all but the system menu, with Nova - which I'd probably be doing on the nexus as well. I guess the big question is how much ROM support will the V10 have to keep me happy like the nexus will. Having to code a ROM to handle that second display is probably going to be rough, but I'm just guessing.
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I can re-skin the UI, all but the system menu, with Nova - which I'd probably be doing on the nexus as well. I guess the big question is how much ROM support will the V10 have to keep me happy like the nexus will. Having to code a ROM to handle that second display is probably going to be rough, but I'm just guessing.
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I'm going to say a few things here, and all my opinion.
First. I am only up to speed on the way the G3 development progressed. Boatloader was hard to crack for most carrier variants and I believe the V10 will more than likely follow suit.
If you are buying a new phone to go flash-a-holic on your best bet will always be the newest Nexus device, hands down. The way phone manufacturers are trending they want their phones to be super secure, and in Samsung's case want it secure enough to make government contracts possible.
With that said. The next thing is the second screen. If there happens to be a fair development area for this phone I will assume that all stock based roms will have no issues with the second screen as it is already in the software code.
However, MIUI, AOSP, CM based roms will likely have issues unless LG makes that code available. So, again if you want to flash every ROM in the XDA database the Nexus is your phone.
I look at the V10 and I see stability, amazing hardware, software for the camera second to none, and above all else the one thing all these manufacturers are losing people for lacking - MICRO SD and removable battery!
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I used to be a flash crazy person. I tried everything and constantly switched. That was also during the time when Android wasn't mature like it is now. Now, I'm content with just root. I hate flashing ROM's now, it takes up too much time restoring everything, and a lot of the features added to ROM's are not very useful to me. I do like to flash kernels, though and find them useful.
1) I understand the benefits of USB C but I have a significant investment in Qualcomm Quickcharge 2.0 wall, and car, and power bank, and cables. So I actually prefer at this time to stay with micro USB for compatibility with my other devices. USB C might make more sense in a couple years.
2) Removable battery. Not because I intend to swap it but rather because I hope to stay with this phone for many years and when the battery get tired I can buy a new one.
3) Micro SD. My current phone is small so I use it for audio only and my tablet for video only. I am hoping by switching to a big phone I can use one device for both audio and video. This means I want lots of storage and the max 128GB of the 6P is not enough for me.
4) I do not like the wasted bezel space at the top of the 6P. I'm thinking the V10 2nd display with be useful for me.
5) I like the combined power and finger print sensor on the back.
6) I think a camera with OIS is better than one without. And I like manual camera controls.
7) I don't play games but I like to multitask. So more ram and lower power cpu is a plus for me.
What might change my mind?
If upcoming 6P camera reviews demonstrate it is a lot better than the V10 camera. If the V10 pricing is not competitive. If I see some serious flaws reported in V10 reviews.
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OK, I'm on a Nexus 6, running Chroma ROM, loving the rooted Marshmallow life on Project Fi. I was looking forward to more of the same with the 128GB 6P. Then I started checking into the V10.
Here is what is *almost* making me hit the cancel button on my N6P order: 2nd screen, ESS Sabre DAC/AMP (the main reason is this actually), and I personally prefer the LG displays vs Amoled. (Color and white accuracy > saturated pop.) The V10 looks a bit better IMO too, but looks are pretty far down my list of considerations. Until proven otherwise, I'll consider cameras on the 6p vs v10 to be a wash. I also don't think the 808 vs 810 thing will be a huge deal for me either.
I've owned the G2 and G3 and liked it, but don't at all care for LG's UI customizations vs stock android. It's worse than touch wiz in some ways. Not as bad in others.
I'm an audiophile and I'd love to ditch my external headphone DAC/AMP. I'd really like to enjoy the V10, but not sure I can give up the freedom of a Nexus. So... Convince me!
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If you were really an audiophile than you wouldn't need convincing. The superb ESS DAC/AMP in the LG V10 should have been enough to tip the scale quite easily.
Oh, kind of like the ESS DAC and amp in this? https://www.oppodigital.com/headphone-amplifier-ha-2/
Carrying around that has been just fine for quite a while. Not having to carry that and still having all of the features I want in a smartphone is my goal. If you read my post, maybe you would have understood.
You'll never be able to convince me that you'd rather carry around a stack if you don't have to. That's absurd. Choice is easy. LG V10.
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You'll never be able to convince me that you'd rather carry around a stack if you don't have to. That's absurd. Choice is easy. LG V10.
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I'd rather carry it than go without the smartphone features I want. Many people do.
You have yet to post a logical argument as to why the V10 is better.
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I'd rather carry it than go without the smartphone features I want. Many people do.
You have yet to post a logical argument as to why the V10 is better.
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Stacks are bulky and annoying. Nobody wants to carry that around if they dont have to and the v10 eliminates that need. I never said the LG is "better". I said the v10 has a superior dac/amp that would make the decision easy for a true audiophile. Not to mention the 6p doesn't even have an sd card slot for more music.
Bottom line for me looks like I'm going with the V10 over the Nexus 6P. Very excited for it. Might be a month but I am going to get myself a little "early" Christmas present
No need to convince. Don't get it. It doesn't meet your needs/wants.
I got my 6p in the mail today. Really nice phone, but something makes me want to try the v10, (the promo helps) camera is probably just as good maybe better. I ordered from ATT in Opal Blue, I figure if it doesn't compare I can return it. Or if Its better, keep it and sell the 6p.
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No need to convince. Don't get it. It doesn't meet your needs/wants.
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I agree. I think I'll be sticking with the N6P.
Craleb said:
I got my 6p in the mail today. Really nice phone, but something makes me want to try the v10, (the promo helps) camera is probably just as good maybe better. I ordered from ATT in Opal Blue, I figure if it doesn't compare I can return it. Or if Its better, keep it and sell the 6p.
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Mind giving us a comparison once you've had the chance to test drive both? I'm still interested in the V10, I'm just thinking the N6P better suits me at this point.
I thought I was going to prefer the Nexus 6P over the LG V10 but that was ruined when I learned Nexus was going AMOLED again. It was a disaster the first time around and doesn't sound all that great this time. I'm reading a lot of complaints on brightness and a pink/blue hue to the screen.
I just don't trust AMOLED. I'm a moderate to heavy user and don't need a screen that can suffer image retention, burn in, and/or color degradation anywhere from a week to a year after purchase.
All in all, though, I'll be sticking with my G4 as the V10 isn't worth the upgrade.
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I agree. I think I'll be sticking with the N6P.
Mind giving us a comparison once you've had the chance to test drive both? I'm still interested in the V10, I'm just thinking the N6P better suits me at this point.
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I really like the 6p, its beautiful, the camera is amazing, and its fast and clean. My v10 comes tomorrow, I will gladly share my opinion.
The V10 is an awesome device. I've been going through all reviews (Youtube & Forums alike), and I'm pretty much okay with it more than any flagship currently on the market. However, the October release of the V10 is kind of awkward and untimely considering (rumors) that they plan to announce the LG G5 in the first quarter of 2016. As a keen tech-savvy consumer / power user, I am aware that flagships grow exponentially every year offering the same premium price (i.e. S6 is an improvement of the Note 4, and probably the S7 will be an improvement of the Note 5). So it is highly likely that the LG G5 will be an improved version of the V10, and the V11 will be obviously a step up higher than the G5.
While I am not in a hurry to buy a new phone, despite my very crappy/laggy cheap Lenovo A536, I am still occasionally tempted to get the V10 (especially when my current phone freezes to eternity). On the other hand, it keeps me from doing that as I am anticipating LG's announcement at CES 2016 in a month or two from now, which will be readily available on the market by March or April, offering it at an introductory price that would be the same with the V10 right now.
Also, another thing that keeps me from getting the V10 is the massive size of it, when the G5 will very likely inherit its features with a 5.5-inch display and slightly better specs + ergonomics.
Well if there's no hurry then there's no harm in waiting to see what is out there. New phones are always coming out
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If you have a barely usable phone now - get a new phone soon as possible.
As for waiting for the next best thing ... what are you going to do in March when that edition comes out and they announce they'll be another phone coming.
The differences in the phones is somewhat minimal.
Go to the stores, spend time with each model you like and get the one that feels right. Its far more productive to have a useful tool than it is to have a tool that doesn't work. Waiting for the 'bigger-better-deal' in the next 3 to 4 months is keeping you from being productive today.
This is just my opinion. Good luck in your choice.
I voted no, wait for the G5. Or go a different route.
I'm actively trying to trade out of my v10. I like aspects of the phone, but if and until certain software changes are made there are better options out there now.
I love having a SD card and removable battery, but the fingerprint scanner sucks. The DPI on this phone is ridiculous. I mean, when the phone is in landscape you can't even see all the options in the sound menu.
I'm on Verizon, so I can't (yet, if ever) root and fix these issues myself. If that changes, my opinion would. Just a few tweaks could fix this phone. The outlook is dim, however, and as it stands currently I can't recommend it.
I got the v10 for the free stuff. My mom is enjoying her free tablet from T-Mobile and I love having the 200gb sd card, extra battery and charging cradle. It has its issue but honestly it is a very solid phone that works well overall. It's not bleeding edge but that has its advantages of being more stable overall. I agree with the other posters, if your phone is on its last legs like my note 2 was get the v10 you'll enjoy it, if your current phone is chugging along fine just wait for the next model.
So it REALLY depends on what you want to do with the device.
If you're interested in having the "latest and greatest" or are doing thing that might require a device that has the highest possible components, then I'd wait. If you're looking for a REALLY good device, then I'd go with the V10.
Coming from the Note III, I LOVE my V10. It's a great device
I wouldn't consider going to the V10 settling!
There will always be a latest and greatest. Once the G5 comes around, there will be rumors of a newer device. If you don't know what you want yet, and your current phone is at its end, buy a used nexus 6 or g4 for cheap until you make up your mind.
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Yep.. If you feel like you are settling you shouldn't get it.
Depends on what you want. G5 might have a better camera, but probably a smaller display, no 2nd screen, no HiFi DAC/amp, etc. Unless it comes with an OLED screen, maintains microSD & battery swap, and immensely better camera - I probably won't care.
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I wouldn't consider going to the V10 settling!
There will always be a latest and greatest. Once the G5 comes around, there will be rumors of a newer device. If you don't know what you want yet, and your current phone is at its end, buy a used nexus 6 or g4 for cheap until you make up your mind.
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Thanks! One of the things I also need is the Dual-SIM feature. While I know that some have the H961 available, I still do not see it on my trusted seller's offerings yet. I really need that Dual-SIM as I live in Asia. I currently have an unlimited data sim separate from my daily calling and texting sim card. I do understand though that LG G5 will offer that as well but a month after the official model is released, same was with the LG G4.
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Depends on what you want. G5 might have a better camera, but probably a smaller display, no 2nd screen, no HiFi DAC/amp, etc. Unless it comes with an OLED screen, maintains microSD & battery swap, and immensely better camera - I probably won't care.
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Rumors say that it will have a 5.6-inch QHD display? Either way, 5.5-inch is enough for my needs, and a .1 inch difference from a V10 is negligible to me. Wouldn't care much about the 2nd screen.
I'm waiting for the G5 personally. Its only a few months around the corner most likely.
I would trade V10 with G5 IF the G5 have front facing speaker,sd card, removable battery and a camera that even better than G4 and V10 (since i got no. 3 in photograph contest while most people using a DSLR camera )
So far i really like my V10 right now, so far a really great device imo and i would stay with V10 if G5 doesnt meet my requirement
LG 5 rumors suggest the battery won't be removable so that may be a deal breaker for some. The rumored specs don't seem much superior over the v10
Oh really thats a bummer, i heard it use SD 820 chip i dont know if it worth a trade
But removable battery kinda a huge deal for me
Hi, I've had Moto phones like the Razr-i, G4 Play, and G7 Play but am growing unhappy with their limited security updates. I worry more about being up to date with security patches as there is always more news about exploits. I'm not familiar with OnePlus. Are they consistent about security updates? I see a claim of more years of support, but wonder how it works in practice for the budget models. In my experience, Moto has been pretty lackluster in pushing updates even before the 2 year window expires.
Has anybody here also used budget Moto phones and already switched to the N200 5G? How much difference would I find using this phone?
As my username says, I am a light user of Android. I mostly use it to glance at the Google Calendar, Slack notifications, and calls and SMS. I use desktop and laptop computers for most of my regular email, web browsing, etc. But, I've noticed that it is hard to read web pages on a 720 pixel wide screen because it is fuzzy if you scale so that the whole page fits. I also see it stutter, and assume this is because my current phone only has 2GB RAM.
I disable the Google assistant and actually want a phone to be more like an idle pocket computer, not a busy bee trying to be clever and annoying me with suggestions, integrations, etc. I have been able to configure the Moto launcher to be boring like that. Can that be done with the N200 or would I need to install Nova launcher or something?
I use Mint, a T-Mobile MVNO and care about stability for calls with both VoLTE and WiFi Calling. I don't really care about 5G speeds vs LTE but would hope it makes the cell connectivity more stable rather than less?
Thanks for any feedback or real world review!
You'd rather get a pixel 4a for that kind of usage and concerns about security patches, not a oneplus.
Huh... you don't think the N200 will get regular updates? Or are you saying OnePllus doesn't provide good security even if it is up to date? Do you think OnePlus is less secure than Moto or the same?
I feel like the pixels are in a different price bracket.
I'm just gonna point out that OnePlus is a Chinese company, and uses an Android OS variant made in China.
Chinese companies are not exactly known for keeping other countries (or their own) personal data secure (quite the opposite).
Take that how you will.
Hmm, do people think OnePlus is any less secure than Moto? Moto is also a Chinese company (part of Lenovo).
I find this hard to sort out.... those factories have to be trusted to put together the hardware and image the firmware. Even the pixel phones are made there, aren't they? If you go down this path questioning it, why assume that any software update afterwards can secure it, if the origin is murky? :-/
Edit: I've wondered the same thing about used phones and how permanently someone can tamper with it. That's one reason I am buying new budget phones and wondering about the N200 versus the Motos!
I don't mean to take this away to off-topic land. Can anybody report what security patch level they have received with a retail (unlocked) US N200 5G?
And if anybody is using one with T-Mobile or Mint, do you find it to be getting stable network connectivity and calls?
yes, stables calls and connectivity in Los Angeles area with Tmobile. As of the time of this writing its on July Security Patch. If you are worried aobut exploits and want the latest patches it best to just go with a official google supported phone the like Pixel series or a Iphone as they keep up to date with security patches on their latest devices.
In my experiance if you just want it for calls and text and the like you should be ok. I just came off a pixel 3a for this phone and before that I did the samsung s thing and before that the motorola cliq series. Am I totally thrilled with the phone? No, it's a budget phone that runs better than any other budget phone I have seen, however, it is still a budget phone My hope is that as soon as we can get root that the phone will rock due to it actually having decent hardware. So it's more of an expectation thing. Sounds like it will be fine for your use case, Good readability screen and enough horsepower for what your doing.
Hey lightuser, which company are you conducting this "questionnaire" for?
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Motorola?
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Huh... you don't think the N200 will get regular updates? Or are you saying OnePllus doesn't provide good security even if it is up to date? Do you think OnePlus is less secure than Moto or the same?
I feel like the pixels are in a different price bracket.
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Im saying you want cheap and android and stable security patches? Go with the mother of it all, pixel (not the high-end ones of course).
I got the n200 because of "free" from tmo, it's not what im used to thought. This phone is weak and slow and 5G/wifi speeds suck.
If those basic functions are sooo weak and you oneplus officially said: 1 major upgrade of the OS, you just know this little weak guy doesn't have a long life in the security updates either
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I don't mean to take this away to off-topic land. Can anybody report what security patch level they have received with a retail (unlocked) US N200 5G?
And if anybody is using one with T-Mobile or Mint, do you find it to be getting stable network connectivity and calls?
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I've got the unlocked variant from the OnePlus store. I got an update on August 4th with the July 2021 security patch, so that's what I have now. Before that, I had the 2021-04-01 update.
I'm going to join in and *not* recommend OnePlus for light android users. They don't have a great long-term update policy - see articles like https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/...e-commitment-is-uninspiring-yet-unsurprising/. They also anecdotally don't have a great support team, and don't deal with factory-broken hardware well (for example, the microphone issues with the OnePlus One which left many users without a very inconsistent microphone when making calls on phone speakers or speakerphone).
The reason the community likes OnePlus is not their updates, though. It's the custom ROM community: every OnePlus phone has its ROM released, and has an unlockable bootloader.
What this means is *if you're willing to install a custom ROM*, you're almost guaranteed the community - XDA forums and the like - will provide updates above and beyond the product's lifetime. With this, for example, the OnePlus One, released in 2014, still has new community-based updates today! See threads like https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...1-july-10th-lineageos-17-1-june-11th.3693223/.
This also means you get a guaranteed ability to root the phone, and thus can change and optimize the OS for your usage.
To be clear, if you're willing to use comumunity-produced ROMs, and understand the benefits and drawbocks of that, OnePlus phones are great. Lots of people will be drawn to them, similar to google phones, and you'll get software for into the future at the cost of having to rely on builds provided by strangers on the internet.
If you aren't, or have never installed a custom ROM and would rather not, don't get OnePlus. The three things they've had going for the are: custom ROMs, hardware that's specced above what you'd expect at the price point, and marketing. Software is not their strong suite.
I really like the Nord N200's hardware design, it's great bang-for-buck, and it seems quite sturdy. But people have *already* reported microphone issues when using cases which with OnePlus's track record will probably never be fixed unless you apply the fix yourself as part of a custom ROM, and you won't be happy 2 or 3 years down the road when your options are to run an outdated OS or rely on strangers online to provide custom OS builds with no guaranteed support or bugfixes, and which automatically void your warranty when installed.
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Im saying you want cheap and android and stable security patches? Go with the mother of it all, pixel (not the high-end ones of course).
I got the n200 because of "free" from tmo, it's not what im used to thought. This phone is weak and slow and 5G/wifi speeds suck.
If those basic functions are sooo weak and you oneplus officially said: 1 major upgrade of the OS, you just know this little weak guy doesn't have a long life in the security updates either
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the ATLEAST "one major update" will probably be a jump to the next major android version, however the " regular maintenance updates" will be the regular security patches that they most likely roll out in a timely fashion as they are known to do usually. It sounds like it will be s supported just like any other oneplus phone in my opinion. The hardware is decent for the price and considering its free from tmobile (cant beat that), its actually runs everything fine including all the games ive played just fine (Call of Duty , CLASH OF CLANS), the only super major weak disaappointment is the camera, considering Xiaomi can make sub $250 budget phones with a impressive budget camera, it puts the N200 camera to shame. I dont know your 5G test environment but in Los Angeles where i am, if i lock onto the same 5G bands as my friends Iphone 12,, i actually get better 5G speeds than my friend who has a Iphone 12 Max. WiFi speeds seem normal to me, but then again i am only 10-15 feet away from the router most of the times.
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Hey lightuser, which company are you conducting this "questionnaire" for?
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Motorola?
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Sorry, I'm just a user looking at my G7 Play which says "your software is up to date" and a February patch level, and finding only disappointment when I look at the available replacements and consider how soon I'll see this again...
Thanks all! I guess I am hearing the message that I need to either adjust my belief about what "budget" means (to consider Pixels etc) or accept that security is not included at the budget level...