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I find it kind of difficult to write with the pen, because I want to rest my hand on the tablet like a sheet of paper which then opens the virtual keyboard. My old Gateway convertible tablet, which only had pen function, no touch, was nicer (IMO) for writing because when writing, I COULD rest my hand on the screen like paper.
I would like to see a funciton that when the pen is in use (Like when the pen menu is open in the corner) the touch commands turn non-functional.
This would, in my opinion, boost the use of the pen majorly.
Does anyone else find this problem?
Also, I'm a lefty.
so right...
using both hand and pen has its pro's but i agree with you - i wish i could make the jetstream only "feel" the pen in certain situations.
personaly, i'm using a piece of clotch on the corner of the Jetstream to cover the problematic area. its a poor thing to do, but it gets me by...
maybe someday, if we'll live to see ICS on the Jetstream things will be better.
it would be great if there was a button you could press to briefly switch off the capacitative touch screen, leaving only the N-trig input. if this could be automated, then even better!
I posted on the HTC website too, hopefully they will pick it up.
I think the best note taking software right now is Quill for our tablet which recognize the n-trig and knows to ignore my hand.
If we had the support and interest in the device here in the xda community (which i don't think we do), once root is achieved, then turning off the capacitative touch while the pen menu is out could be possible... right?
Easy fix, I would think.
The solution to your issue is to use Tasker to switch the keyboard from HTC touch input to null keyboard on apps which you use the pen on.
Creds to posters on the HTC Flyer forum who had the same issue.
the issue is not just with the keyboard panel. it's with the date/notification bar the pops up every now and then..
Thanks for the info on Tasker and Null Keyboard. This works great, although Quill will likely remain my go-to app for taking longer notes.
I have to push way too hard in the Quill app to get pen strokes to appear... Thats the only negative to me. There needs to be a sensitivity option.
typhoonikan said:
I have to push way too hard in the Quill app to get pen strokes to appear... Thats the only negative to me. There needs to be a sensitivity option.
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Totally difference for me, I think it's really sensitive... Or it could just be the pen. Sometimes my pen acts really wonky like constantly giving out input signal even when I am not touching the screen.
New solution for this:
using app like "no system bar"
does the trick, now the root is available
Hello Folks...
I was wondering if there was any way for USB Tablet Pen to work with prime as note taking/sketching alternative...considering the touch screen sensitivity and other issues with prime that keep us from making the most of our prime with stylus...
I found out that by just connecting the two devices via usb or bluetooth does not make the USB Tablet an Input device for the Prime...
I really want to the inputs on the screen to be precise and pressure sensitive which atm doesnt seem possible with prime...
Do we need to have some drivers included in the kernel or maybe some genius app would help convert usb pen tablet to a successful precise input device for the prime...
Well unfortunately there is no support for wacom like pen tablets. Pressure sensitivity is not currently available on Android tablets and it may never be. It may be possible somehow to connect a wacom tablet to an android tablet and draw on the wacom one but th would likely not possible without the support of wacom. The pen itself from what I gather is nothing electronic, only the tablet. Anyways if I'm wrong please correct me as I would love a wacom like stylus with my tablet, I have tried many different styluses on my tablet and they all sucked.
yeah...the pressure sensitivity and accuracy of the wacom usb tablet makes it stand apart...so sad that we can connect so many devices to prime via usb but not usb pen tablets...
robproctor said:
Well unfortunately there is no support for wacom like pen tablets. Pressure sensitivity is not currently available on Android tablets and it may never be. It may be possible somehow to connect a wacom tablet to an android tablet and draw on the wacom one but th would likely not possible without the support of wacom. The pen itself from what I gather is nothing electronic, only the tablet. Anyways if I'm wrong please correct me as I would love a wacom like stylus with my tablet, I have tried many different styluses on my tablet and they all sucked.
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Actually there are tabs with active digitizers built in and a few with Wacom tech. All are pressure sensitive.
Galaxy Note has Wacom
HTC Flyer 7" has N-trig
HTC Jetstream has N-trig
HTC Evo View 7" has N-trig
Motorola Xyboard 10.1 has something
There might be others too, but this is what I found. But this means that the Android drivers are there for it, but they are not configured for USB use. Like was said before, Wacom would have to tweak the drivers or release open source drivers that we could work on. Pie in the sky dream, I know...
The Linux kernel includes drivers for Wacom hardware, and Android's input subsystem shouldn't have problems interpreting the events it emits (especially under ICS). I've actually used Android on a tablet PC with Wacom hardware in the past thanks to the Android x86 project.
I can only guess as to what's wrong, but I'd imagine that its one of the following:
The Prime has issues at the USB or Bluetooth layer with Wacom hardware
The driver ('wacom' for USB, 'hid-wacom' for Bluetooth) driver wasn't compiled into the kernel
The driver wasn't loaded into the kernel (if built as a module)
A device node for the tablet under /dev/input/ was never created
Android's input subsystem ignored the device
Android's input subsystem is dropping events from the tablet
JigPu
I was under the impression that the TFP does not utilize a WACOM digitizer but rather an atmel digitizer so i dont see why the TFP's kernel would have been compiled with WACOM drivers.
Thinkpad Tablet
The Android Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet uses wacom technology and pen, I think it has 256 pressure levels or maybe more, but it's the best thing for drawing on android at the moment in my opinion. And there will be a better one launched this year, the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1
8avu said:
The Android Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet uses wacom technology and pen, I think it has 256 pressure levels or maybe more, but it's the best thing for drawing on android at the moment in my opinion. And there will be a better one launched this year, the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1
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The Thinkpad actually uses an N-trig digitizer from what I can tell, though the Galaxy Note 10.1 should be Wacom if the 5" model was any indication. There are a few other tablets using Wacom pens, but you can only find them in China from what I can tell.
Still, it'd be nice if somebody could figure out how to get a Bamboo or Intuos working with Android. In theory the only real roadblock should be getting the driver compiled and loaded onto a device...
EDIT: Almost forgot... On ICS (and apparently Honeycomb too) you'll also need an .idc file describing the tablet to prevent Android from ignoring it. See this post for an idea of what was needed for a Waltop tablet.
JigPu
hoping for acer a500 can use wacom bamboo tablet
I am hoping for my acer a500 android can use wacom bamoo tablet.
I've found some article http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1447905
and plurch said that it worked on Nexus 7.
So new android machine can use wacom tablet or... ?
Anyway, thank you for the interesting insight about linux driver.
i'd like an active pen too, isn't there any way to do this?
On a lark yesterday, I tried using an HP Synaptics stylus with the 7840. It works. I might assume that the Dell Synaptics stylus works as well. Doesn't work with WACOM or N-trig or S-pen. Works with Synaptics.
Downloaded Google Handwriting from the Play Store. It works.
I can draw, navigate, write, browse all with a stylus.
Unadvertised, but thank you Dell.
7840, Lollipop 5.0.1, Rooted.
This is exactly what I need to know . . .
yet I'm not sure I understand.
Just got this Venue 8 7000/7480 tablet as a Father's Day gift, have spent hours trying to figure out if there's a stylus/app that would work for handwriting that saves the notes as a text file. It is still in the box actually, didn't want to open it as this function is a deal breaker for me since I'd like to use it in meetings at work.
My confusion comes from frankly not knowing the difference between types of stylus inputs and the only one the Dell website lists under accessories wouldn't seem to work for writing, it has the larger mesh bulb that appears to be a replacement for a finger.
Dell Chat wasn't worth a chit, they only gave me a link to tech that was dead.
I did see that Dell lists "Active Stylus 750-AAGN" but that doesn't show as compatible with this tablet - is this HP stylus in your post the same thing and is that why you suggest it would work?
Any advice would be appreciated here as I decide if I should keep this or return it.
Thx
The HP active stylus (Synaptics-based) is here: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-active-stylus-silver/1169103.p?id=1219473261320&skuId=1169103
The Dell active stylus you mention utilizes the same Synaptics technology as the HP and as does another active stylus from Acer (I think). You are correct in that the Dell stylus is not listed as being compatible. That being the case, Dell might in the future remove the functionality in a firmware update.
One thing noticed is that there is no indication on the screen if the stylus is hovering just above the surface (a small dot or arrow, for example).
After playing around with this stylus and the 7840 for a couple of days, I'm pretty happy with how well it works. I haven't found a calibration routine or app, but haven't found a need to use one yet, either, so that is good.
As for the experience, I'm just getting started. The Synaptics technology is in its infancy and is not as flexible as WACOM or N-trig -- fewer levels of pressure sensitivity (important for artists), for example. The handwriting recognition and accuracy is a function of the Google handwriting app and it seems to work pretty well and quickly in recognizing my mediocre penmanship.
Much obliged. Maybe I should put my 15y/o tech consultant on it to investigate further since he was responsible for selecting this model in the first place. Otherwise he'll just fight with his little brother all day while not mowing the lawn.
And again, pardon my ignorance, but since you have rooted your device would that have anything to do with "unlocking" this feature? He could root mine if needed.
You're very welcome. I don't know if rooting affected the implementation of the stylus. I wish I had tested before upgrading from KitKat or rooting.
We'll see how it goes.
As far as I know, any 'active' stylus should work e.g. stylus with a battery. I've been using the joyfactory x1 recharchable (cant post link, not enough msgs) through a anti glare screen protector for about a month with no issues, only downside is that unless you get a blue tooth stylus there is no auto palm recognition so you cant be lazy and put your hand down.
Incorrect. Active stylus such as those based on N-trig technology (Surface 3 (Pro), Sony Vaio, older Fujitsu) do not work. The joyfactory x1 is another technology that generates an electro-magnetic field that simulates a finger, thus would work on almost any tablet with a touchscreen.
Oops, thanks for the clarification!
TonyBigs said:
Incorrect. Active stylus such as those based on N-trig technology (Surface 3 (Pro), Sony Vaio, older Fujitsu) do not work. The joyfactory x1 is another technology that generates an electro-magnetic field that simulates a finger, thus would work on almost any tablet with a touchscreen.
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I have been using my Dell Stylus from my Venue 8 Pro and it works great. It supports palm rejection and the second button works as an eraser in apps like sketchbook pro.
That is correct, the Dell stylus used for the Venue 8 Pro (and certain other Dell) is Synaptics-based.
thanx OP I was looking all over the internet for someone who had tested stylus on Venue Android and never found anything.. I ordered the Dell one 750-AAGN and it works a lot better than I expected, not as good as my Ntrig surface pro 3 but pretty close and that is perfect for an active stylus that according to their costumer support was not compatible with my device.
I am currently using Papyrus for note taking I use Microsoft Onenote on all my other devices but for some reason I get like 2 seconds delay from pen and finger on onenote. Its been a problem I have been having since I bought the tablet maybe is a hardware compatibility issue. App works great on my other tablets without delays... I wish I could get it to work on the 7840.
In case anyone else is looking for active stylus for Dell Venue 7840 Android the Dell 750-AAGN works great!
The secret still works with 5.1, rooted!
Not working with European version?
I've bought the Dell Venue Active Stylus 750-AAHC, which should be the same pen as the 750-AAGN one except that it is sold in the EU. Unfortunately it does not work with my Dell Venue 8 7840 at all. Do you guys have any clue if there might be a (also secret) difference between the two versions? Or might my tablet be incompatible to Synaptics stylus at all? Any hint or idea would be appreciated.
Nobody got a clue? I contacted the Dell Support which claims that there isn't any technical difference between the EU and the US model of the stylus. Also there is no difference between single devices having the same model number. Anyway they also say that they do not have any information about the used technology or at least they do not want to support any unofficial feature. So all in all nothing really new that could solve my problem.
Is the stylus actually working (test stylus on another Synaptics device)? Battery polarity correct?
Also, I don't see any on-screen identification (pointer, dot) that the stylus is detected. It just works.
Ok, so I got myself an active stylus, the 750-AAHC, the european model. It works, perfectly. I contacted the Dell support and they confirmed it´s officially supported. No clue why they don´t advertise that. I mean seriously, a 4K! display and handwriting? That is amazing. And not only that, it even supports palm rejection - you can use it like actual paper.
Meaning: That tablet just got even better.
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Ok, so I got myself an active stylus, the 750-AAHC, the european model. It works, perfectly. I contacted the Dell support and they confirmed it´s officially supported. No clue why they don´t advertise that. I mean seriously, a 4K! display and handwriting? That is amazing. And not only that, it even supports palm rejection - you can use it like actual paper.
Meaning: That tablet just got even better.
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Interesting information, thanks. So I guess either my pen or my tablet is broken. Will test it with another pen asap.
The Dell support really confirmed it as an official feature? That's really strange as they denied it before.
By the way, the tablet has a high resolution display, but it isn't 4K.
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I've bought another 750-AAHC stylus, but it isn't working, either. So I guess either my tablet is broken (since the very first day) or the stylus feature isn't supported by all 7840 devices. The second option would explain why it isn't advertised by Dell.
Venue 10 7040 works too!!
Just recieved my venue 10 7040 tablet. On a hunch (due to this thread) I preordered a 750-AAGN stylus hoping it would work....well surprise surprise it works perfectly. No hover pointer but it swipes, selects, scrolls and seems to have the palm rejection everyone else is talking about while I'm drawing. Totally impressed. This is getting pretty close to my dream device, 2-in-1, OLED, digitizer stylus...only wish it was 12" and Windows 10, but for now this is awesome.
Thanks OP. To those having issue with the 750-AAHC I'd suggest trying the 750-AAGN if possible since I thought the AAHC was for wacom devices not synaptics.
Works for me, too, on a new Dell Venue 10 7000 (7040) with 750-AAGN stylus. I sweat for an hour or so and was disappointed that it didn't work at first. After the Android 5.1 update everything worked like a charm.
Responsiveness and functionality varies tremendously between applications:
Autodesk Sketchbook is by far the most responsive. Recognizes the 3rd button as an eraser. No pressure sensitivity.
OneNote and Evernote have considerable lag. This can be improved by reducing the pen size (drawing fewer pixels?). No eraser. Some challenges with registering palm presses as finger input.
Squid slightly worse than OneNote and Evernote, in my experience.
LectureNotes (Trial Version) seems very responsive. After configuring a few options it maps buttons 2 and 3 to erase. Seems very nice.
Google Handwriting Keyboard is a bit of a disappointment. Not so responsive, but thick pen.
Keep in mind that I am left handed, so palm rejection is likely more critical for me as I almost always have a hand on the screen when writing.
The tablet works really well via OTG, it has pressure sensitivity. The only issue is that my hand can move the cursor too. It's not a huge deal because your hand won't draw, and once the pen gets close, the tablet responds to it, but it would still be nice to disable touch completely. Is this possible?
I'm hoping to use the galaxy tab s7 spen on my note 20 ultra as I find it to be much better to grip than the small note 20 ultra spen, does anyone know how I would be able to charge the s7 spen, if I don't actually own the tab s7 tablet? I have a tab s6 so not sure if it can charge on the tab s6?. Also does the spen work on any other android phone or tablet?
I can confirm that standard wireless charging does not charge the s Pen. As a matter of fact, there is no battery in the Tab 7+ s Pen. It's simply an induction coil that operates from a low power charging strip on the back of the tablet. The Tab 7+ stylus uses a wireless connection to the Tab 7+, where as the Note 20 Ultra uses capacitive touch.
I own both devices and have been unable to cross the stylus' between the two, since they use different technologies.
I have no experience with aftermarket, but if you want full size, I think you might be stuck looking for something like this:
Stylus Capacitive and Resistive Pen Touch Compact Lightweight
2 in 1 Capacitive stylus and resistive hard tip stylus combination. IMPORTANT NOTE: This is NOT a replacement for your phone's original built-in internal stylus. It is for separate use and a generic stylus. It is NOT an S-Pen. Will NOT fit to your phone's internal stylus slot if your phone has...
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I can confirm that standard wireless charging does not charge the s Pen. As a matter of fact, there is no battery in the Tab 7+ s Pen. It's simply an induction coil that operates from a low power charging strip on the back of the tablet. The Tab 7+ stylus uses a wireless connection to the Tab 7+, where as the Note 20 Ultra uses capacitive touch.
I own both devices and have been unable to cross the stylus' between the two, since they use different technologies.
I have no experience with aftermarket, but if you want full size, I think you might be stuck looking for something like this:
Stylus Capacitive and Resistive Pen Touch Compact Lightweight
2 in 1 Capacitive stylus and resistive hard tip stylus combination. IMPORTANT NOTE: This is NOT a replacement for your phone's original built-in internal stylus. It is for separate use and a generic stylus. It is NOT an S-Pen. Will NOT fit to your phone's internal stylus slot if your phone has...
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ummmm. ... the note 20 spen uses inductive wacom tech like all spens(at least for now). Capacitive stylus are the ones that work on all touch screens(like your finger). My s7+ spen works perfectly fine on my note and vice versa. What you are probably having issue with crossing stylus is on the note and on the s7 you need to remove the pen from it's holder to let the phone/tab know there is an spen it should look for, either that or you got an aftermarket capacitive pen that looks like an s-pen.
to the OP as far as I know you cannot use any other device for charging the s-pen.
jeromekobriger said:
I can confirm that standard wireless charging does not charge the s Pen. As a matter of fact, there is no battery in the Tab 7+ s Pen. It's simply an induction coil that operates from a low power charging strip on the back of the tablet. The Tab 7+ stylus uses a wireless connection to the Tab 7+, where as the Note 20 Ultra uses capacitive touch.
I own both devices and have been unable to cross the stylus' between the two, since they use different technologies.
I have no experience with aftermarket, but if you want full size, I think you might be stuck looking for something like this:
Stylus Capacitive and Resistive Pen Touch Compact Lightweight
2 in 1 Capacitive stylus and resistive hard tip stylus combination. IMPORTANT NOTE: This is NOT a replacement for your phone's original built-in internal stylus. It is for separate use and a generic stylus. It is NOT an S-Pen. Will NOT fit to your phone's internal stylus slot if your phone has...
uzid.com
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I have the Note20 Ultra and the tab S7+ and able to use both pens viceversa. Just make sure you have the option enabled in the spen settings that allows multiple spens. Can use the pen of the tab on the Note while the pen is still inside the phone.
So stuck my s-pen on the fridge and kinda lost it for a month. It was moved by accedenty too the side that normally isn't looked at. Now it will not charge at all.
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So stuck my s-pen on the fridge and kinda lost it for a month. It was moved by accedenty too the side that normally isn't looked at. Now it will not charge at all.
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They do that. Try resetting it and playing with it a couple times. The deep freeze didn't hurt it.
Not sure what reinitalizes it. I didn't use mine for 2 months and it behaved the same way. Wouldn't show or take a charge then after a couple days of playing with it, it started working again. It been fine for over a year now.
Try a reboot. Reset it.
Try a hard reboot. Reset it.
Try clearing the system cache. Reset it.
Try clearing it's data. Reboot
You get the idea... it just wants some wuv
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ummmm. ... the note 20 spen uses inductive wacom tech like all spens(at least for now). Capacitive stylus are the ones that work on all touch screens(like your finger). My s7+ spen works perfectly fine on my note and vice versa. What you are probably having issue with crossing stylus is on the note and on the s7 you need to remove the pen from it's holder to let the phone/tab know there is an spen it should look for, either that or you got an aftermarket capacitive pen that looks like an s-pen.
to the OP as far as I know you cannot use any other device for charging the s-pen.
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Supposedly, you can have multiple S Pens linked to one phone/tablet. I got my Tab S7 to work on my Note 10+ 5G like you said.
The S Pen setting is: Settings -> Advanced features -> S Pen -> Allow multiple S Pens (Let other S Pens write on the screen while your S Pen's inserted into your phone. This may drain your battery.)
Once you toggle that on, restart your phone and it works without you having to take out the S Pen.
I have my old Tab S3 S-pen I use on my note 10+ and now also on the Tab S7+...the Tab S7 pen works on my note 10, did not tried vice versa as the little note 10 pen is just an emergency solution for me.