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What the title said. Does anyone not have the issue where screen is draining the battery even when its off? Also I read a lot of people complaining about 4-6h SOT time, so much that I'm beginning to think that's a feature not a bug. But the idle screen usage thing is weird. If you don't have that issue could you post a screenshot of your screen usage? Everyone is showing at least 70% and that I assume is too high. On my current phone its nowhere near that much with max brightness and actually on. I currently own an LG Optimus L7II (P710) and it's near the end of its life span, so its time for a new phone. Yes RN2 screen is bigger but its not that bigger to cause such a huge drain.
I'm preparing to buy this phone (Prime version) and I've only found it in one shop in my country (where on their site says 2.0ghz 32gb internal memory version, but afaik if its 32gb its prime and should be 2.2ghz, so error I guess, I'll call them to confirm), so I'm trying to gather as much info about it and whats gonna be an issue with the phone. I'll be happy if it gets through the day with about 3h actual light gaming or chatting in viber. I occasionally only play PokemonGO when I go out for a walk or cycle for 2-3h, and some card games at home, nothing too heavy. Not that I'm able on my current phone anyway. lol
Also a side question if I may, whats the deal with the kernel? The source is needed to fix issues like the battery drain and make truly custom roms, right? Are they ever going to release the source code? I'm guessing the answer is maybe, we don't know yet. Just thought maybe someone has an insight to share about previous Xiaomi phones and kernels.
Xiaomi RN2 is the only phone out of 3 that have the things I want(Min => 2gb RAM, quad-core, 3000mAh removable battery, gyroscope, gps, sd-card slot, and under 250 euros), and the only one in my country barely available. So I'm freaking out a bit over this battery drain issue.
EDIT: Crap, the only shop I found it at, at reasonable price doesn't have it. Only Note 3s, and I don't want note 3 cause of built-in battery. Guess I'm stuck ordering online and paying 30% custom fee... So instead of 150$ it'll be 200$ and no warranty.
Anyone?
@ChrisBunny You wrote it little complicated Do you want to see this? My battery was not fully charged.
Ekran- Screen
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@ChrisBunny You wrote it little complicated Do you want to see this? My battery was not fully charged.
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Thanks for the info. It looks like your screen is not using as much as people reporting it uses 60-70% of battery, if I'm reading it correctly, while yours is using only 16%. I'm gonna call the phone shop in a bit (waiting for them to have their morning coffee lol) and see if they still have the phone. Then I just hope mine doesn't drain too.
@ChrisBunny I forgot to say about Core clock. Your shop has wrong information about CPU frequency. Prime version has 2.2GHz (exactly 2.1x GHz) and non-prime version has clock 2GHz (exactly 1.95GHz)
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@ChrisBunny I forgot to say about Core clock. Your shop has wrong information about CPU frequency. Prime version has 2.2GHz (exactly 2.1x GHz) and non-prime version has clock 2GHz (exactly 1.95GHz)
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Yeah that's what I figured. I found a couple ads for the phone, so I might still get it, it just won't have any warranty.
So your Xiaomi RN 2 screen uses only about 15% of the battery? That's really good if I understood correctly. How long does your battery last when you leave it alone and when you use it a lot?
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I'm fully charged now, later will post screenshot when i will get 5 or 10% on battery.
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I'm fully charged now, later will post screenshot when i will get 5 or 10% on battery.
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Thanks.
Are you happy with the phone? And do you by any chance play Pokemon GO with it? I'm curious how the game works on it and how long.
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Thanks.
Are you happy with the phone? And do you by any chance play Pokemon GO with it? I'm curious how the game works on it and how long.
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I'm happy with the phone. Speciffication for that cheap price is great. It has everything what i needed except Qualcomm processor (with Mediatek it's hard with sources so the phone can't get custom kernels, you know) Games works good. I have played pokemon for a short time- no problem with playing but nothing speciall for me so I uninstalled it.
GTA San Andreas - no fps drop
Shadow warrior - no fps drop
League of stickman - no fps drop
Gangstar Vegas - no fps drop
Dungeon hunter 5 - on some maps fps dropped but i think it's weak optimalization
Sim city - no fps drop
The sims free play - no fps drop
Thats the most (i think) advanced games i have played on my device. Don't remember more xD
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I'm happy with the phone. Speciffication for that cheap price is great. It has everything what i needed except Qualcomm processor (with Mediatek it's hard with sources so the phone can't get custom kernels, you know) Games works good. I have played pokemon for a short time- no problem with playing but nothing speciall for me so I uninstalled it.
GTA San Andreas - no fps drop
Shadow warrior - no fps drop
League of stickman - no fps drop
Gangstar Vegas - no fps drop
Dungeon hunter 5 - on some maps fps dropped but i think it's weak optimalization
Sim city - no fps drop
The sims free play - no fps drop
Thats the most (i think) advanced games i have played on my device. Don't remember more xD
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Yesterday I couldn't beat battery xD Here is my score.
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Yesterday I couldn't beat battery xD Here is my score.
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Nice! Well that looks normal and good. What rom are you using?
I'm still waiting for the sellers to reply to me, I wanna order the phone already. >.<
Here's a screenie ...
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Cool, 12h on idle if I'm reading it correctly, and only half the battery depleted.
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Cool, 12h on idle if I'm reading it correctly, and only half the battery depleted.
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No, 12% battery loss in 12 hours - mostly idle time, but with some slight use (email, text, etc). Wireless and Bluetooth left on (the battery was on about 63% when the phone was switched on).
BTW: I am running a "Skinnified" MIUI 7.5.10 ROM.
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No, 12% battery loss in 12 hours - mostly idle time, but with some slight use (email, text, etc). Wireless and Bluetooth left on (the battery was on about 63% when the phone was switched on).
BTW: I am running a "Skinnified" MIUI 7.5.10 ROM.
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Ah that's even better! Whats your guess whats the reason a lot of people experience those crazy screen battery drains? I hope the reason is just some fluke with the rom, and not with hardware.
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Ah that's even better! Whats your guess whats the reason a lot of people experience those crazy screen battery drains? I hope the reason is just some fluke with the rom, and not with hardware.
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I think it would most likely be a software (ie, ROM) issue (ie, something is behaving badly in the background). Many of us spend a lot of energy trying to get better battery performance from the phone - but it is all really about how the software is configured. Without the sources to the kernel code, the best that can be done is tweaking bits here and there. This is what makes the Skinny ROM guidelines from @jajk very useful (to remove Xiaomi bloat and battery hogs). This requires some effort, patience, and nerves; but it can be quite rewarding. For me, I have been far more concerned with idle time than with "screen on" time, because my phone spends most of its time doing nothing.
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Nice! Well that looks normal and good. What rom are you using?
I'm still waiting for the sellers to reply to me, I wanna order the phone already. >.<
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MokeeOS compiled by vova.vafin. For me, his roms are better than for example Bulee. Device not overheat and have some power tweaks.
Okay, I gave you screenshots and now I can flash my lovely ResurrectionRemix
Thanks guys. After all I decided to get Redmi Note 3 Pro (the one with Snapdragon and 3gb RAM not Mediatek), there's plenty people and shops selling it. Now I'm just waiting on reply from the seller and he should send tuesday and it should arrive wednesday. Yeah it doesn't have removable battery, but from what I researched its an awesome phone and battery isn't an issue.
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Thanks guys. After all I decided to get Redmi Note 3 Pro (the one with Snapdragon and 3gb RAM not Mediatek)
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That's a great choice (the Snapdragon SOC).
Xiaomi+MTK=mega problems with custom ROM development
You're busy and don't have time to wait, which is why you need to stop reading this thread and get back to organizing your Pogs. Rate this thread to express how the Honor 8 Pro performs when multitasking. A higher rating indicates that the Honor 8 Pro keeps many apps in memory so that they don't need to reload, and that when moving between apps, transitions are smooth and performance is excellent.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
6gb ram is enough for anything you through at it. All the apps once loaded are staying in the ram for almost ever. For once in the first week with my phone, I was playing contra on it and then left it as is. After few days, I wanted to switch to some other app and found contra there, it was still paused with contra shooting. I don't even remember how many days it was like such.
There is a feature where you can blacklist an app or allow it to be closed on locking of the device which will remove the app from the memory. This is to optimize the battery life. So other than the social apps and certain apps which I switch to mostly, I've blacklisted all other apps.
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6gb ram is enough for anything you through at it. All the apps once loaded are staying in the ram for almost ever. For once in the first week with my phone, I was playing contra on it and then left it as is. After few days, I wanted to switch to some other app and found contra there, it was still paused with contra shooting. I don't even remember how many days it was like such.
There is a feature where you can blacklist an app or allow it to be closed on locking of the device which will remove the app from the memory. This is to optimize the battery life. So other than the social apps and certain apps which I switch to mostly, I've blacklisted all other apps.
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Are u working for huawei?
mab71 said:
Are u working for huawei?
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LOL! I am impressed by this device doesn't mean I work for huawei:laugh:
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LOL! I am impressed by this device doesn't mean I work for huawei:laugh:
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So far, so good. Switching apps is fast.
Ram management has been hit after the recent update.
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Ram management has been hit after the recent update.
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just curious... how bad was it? can elaborate?
Where exactly is this feature?
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6gb ram is enough for anything you through at it. All the apps once loaded are staying in the ram for almost ever. For once in the first week with my phone, I was playing contra on it and then left it as is. After few days, I wanted to switch to some other app and found contra there, it was still paused with contra shooting. I don't even remember how many days it was like such.
There is a feature where you can blacklist an app or allow it to be closed on locking of the device which will remove the app from the memory. This is to optimize the battery life. So other than the social apps and certain apps which I switch to mostly, I've blacklisted all other apps.
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Where exactly is this feature in honour 8 pro? Please share
lovelifeusilly said:
Where exactly is this feature in honour 8 pro? Please share
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Settings-> Battery -> Lock Screen Cleanup
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Ram management has been hit after the recent update.
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How much apps it can keep in the background?!
6 would be enough for me
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How much apps it can keep in the background?!
6 would be enough for me
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It has gotten totally right now. I had reset my phone and it became better after sometime.
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It has gotten totally right now. I had reset my phone and it became better after sometime.
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That's a relief
6gb ram is soooo goddamn sweet.
It handles multitasking single handed.
Good RAM management, all apps are stored in RAM quite well.
multitasking is handled pretty well. 6 GB RAM is handling this exceptionally well.
6gb ram is enought for multitasking and also relly impress with management.
ram is more than enough for heavy multi tasking..
You can leave all apps in memory and you'll still have some left.
Would you say that the Samsung Galaxy Note 9 is "fast" in day-to-day use? A higher rating indicates that you think the Samsung Galaxy Note 9 exhibits fantastic performance. Like, is it as fast as your tears when you watch The Titanic?
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
The 8GB model is blazing fast! Note8 stays far behind.
Amazing
Insane. Way better than my Note8 and that phone was quick!
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Insane. Way better than my Note8 and that phone was quick!
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This!
Blazing fast!! No lag in sight. And I'm not even in performance mode, which I always was in with the Note8.
I would say it's significantly faster than any other Android device I've owned. Apps load much faster, network performance is about 4x faster on average than my prior phone, even system updates are faster.
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I would say it's significantly faster than any other Android device I've owned. Apps load much faster, network performance is about 4x faster on average than my prior phone, even system updates are faster.
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Restart time is insanely fast too!
How is the 6gb vs the 8gb in speed of opening apps, etc? I don't play games
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How is the 6gb vs the 8gb in speed of opening apps, etc? I don't play games
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I have the 8GB model and my partner has the 6GB and we did some testing the other day and there was no real difference. Had 30 apps open as well as Spotify streaming whilst downloading a torrent via uTorrent and neither model showed any signs of lag/delay. I'm starting to think that the 8GB version is a bit over kill, maybe in the future we could utilise it when playing game's or what not.
TLDR, if you looking at buying the Note9 and don't the need the extra storage space just get the 6GB version, can always get an SD card.
6gb is same as 8 gb.... Just get 6gb it is cheaper.
This is great info. Im coming from the S9 and at time this thing is slow.
Was stunned to get 100Mbps deep in a building
Definitely faster than any other android device I've had. Coming from s7 edge. All specs and day to day use so far blows everything else out the water. Just got mines Saturday. 128gb with 6gb of ram
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I would say it's significantly faster than any other Android device I've owned. Apps load much faster, network performance is about 4x faster on average than my prior phone, even system updates are faster.
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The Galaxy Speed is really huge
I'm a Note 4 & S7 user previously... and I bought Note 9 Exynos 128gb and BAM! I was shocked how fast & quick & smoothie it is... I began to miss the old days when I switch between Apps or multitasking it would lag AF!
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I'm a Note 4 & S7 user previously... and I bought Note 9 Exynos 128gb and BAM! I was shocked how fast & quick & smoothie it is... I began to miss the old days when I switch between Apps or multitasking it would lag AF!
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So far you haven’t experienced any lag or any little hiccups?
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So far you haven’t experienced any lag or any little hiccups?
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I can assure you that... not at all
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I can assure you that... not at all
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Amen!
Just switched from the Note 3, and got the Exynos 6/128, definitely a fast and snappy phone. Very glad I got it
Hi guys, I have a al-10 4/128GB version.
I upgraded it to the Emui 9 via Hicare and after the update I'm facing some problems. As the drastic drop in performance.
After upgrading I performed some Benchmark tests, and the score was well below the expected. Not passing from the 130000 points in the Antutu.
I've already formatted it twice but the problem continues.
Someone is also experiencing this problem?
Sorry my bad English. I'm from Brazil
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Hi guys, I have a al-10 4/128GB version.
I upgraded it to the Emui 9 via Hicare and after the update I'm facing some problems. As the drastic drop in performance.
After upgrading I performed some Benchmark tests, and the score was well below the expected. Not passing from the 130000 points in the Antutu.
I've already formatted it twice but the problem continues.
Someone is also experiencing this problem?
Sorry my bad English. I'm from Brazil
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Just set performance mode in battery manager you will get high scores.
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just set performance mode in battery manager you will get high scores.
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ronaldornd said:
hi guys, i have a al-10 4/128gb version.
I upgraded it to the emui 9 via hicare and after the update i'm facing some problems. As the drastic drop in performance.
After upgrading i performed some benchmark tests, and the score was well below the expected. Not passing from the 130000 points in the antutu.
I've already formatted it twice but the problem continues.
Someone is also experiencing this problem?
Sorry my bad english. I'm from brazil
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ronaldornd said:
hi guys, i have a al-10 4/128gb version.
I upgraded it to the emui 9 via hicare and after the update i'm facing some problems. As the drastic drop in performance.
After upgrading i performed some benchmark tests, and the score was well below the expected. Not passing from the 130000 points in the antutu.
I've already formatted it twice but the problem continues.
Someone is also experiencing this problem?
Sorry my bad english. I'm from brazil
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miststudent2011 said:
Just set performance mode in battery manager you will get high scores.
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Has improved a bit, but I'm just going to get good performance that way? I thought it was his normal performance.
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Has improved a bit, but I'm just going to get good performance that way? I thought it was his normal performance.
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You are running momery hungry application's like FB and ut while performing benchmark tests, just kill all the apps and run again you will get good scores.
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Just set performance mode in battery manager you will get high scores.
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You are running momery hungry application's like FB and ut while performing benchmark tests, just kill all the apps and run again you will get good scores.
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But I tried ths only with basic apps, and I only will get high scores when the phone is clean?
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But I tried ths only with basic apps, and I only will get high scores when the phone is clean?
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No not like that but to get clear score we ie to the possible max extent its good to run on clean phone.
after installing and running other apps simultaneously you will get little scores due to resources utilization by them.
Anyway you got good scores for a 4gb varaint.
Hello,
Same for me, performances are lower.
130000pts on Antutu has normal mode et 187000pts with Performance mode :/
So, lower than before, with exactly same the apps installed
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Hello,
Same for me, performances are lower.
130000pts on Antutu has normal mode et 187000pts with Performance mode :/
So, lower than before, with exactly same the apps installed
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In order to maintain transparency they introduced performance mode which uses all the available system resources and provides the scores.
I'm getting a lower performance too, in EMUI 8.1 I've achieved 205k on antutu, now I cant get more than 195k even with the performance Mode on. The battery consumption is worse than before too, even with the same apps. I can achieve a Max of 5h SOT with EMUI 9.0. On EMUI 8.1 I was able to get around 6-7h SOT.
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I'm getting a lower performance too, in EMUI 8.1 I've achieved 205k on antutu, now I cant get more than 195k even with the performance Mode on. The battery consumption is worse than before too, even with the same apps. I can achieve a Max of 5h SOT with EMUI 9.0. On EMUI 8.1 I was able to get around 6-7h SOT.
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use it for two days and check again or reset you phone and check again.
6-7 SOT ? where are you from ? I get around 5SOT only.
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use it for two days and check again or reset you phone and check again.
6-7 SOT ? where are you from ? I get around 5SOT only.
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I've been using EMUI 9 for 5 days. I'll make another antutu test 25 days later.
Yes, on EMUI 8.1 I was able to get around 6-7 hours SOT with single SIM, 4G on, WiFi on, GPS off, Bluetooth off, no Facebook installed, WhatsApp and Instagram installed (Instagram not running on background).
I'm from Brazil.
Apart from benchmarks,j don't really care what they say, the every day usage of emui 9 feels kinda laggish,compared to 8.1, it's not slow or anything,just not so flow ajimations, a lot fps drops in multitasking, anyone noticed anything similar? And if yes did you do something about that? I even tried the GPU regards,a little better,but the fps drops in recent tabs is there
Yeah, after upgrading to emui9, it feels a bit sluggish. It lags here and there.
I'm gonna do a reset, and see if it helps.
I agree with susano'o and cacingbesar. No really lags, but not as smooth as before...
Before, without the new performance mode, I had the same SOT, with more power (for gaming for example).
I've already done a reset, no improvement.
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Yeah, after upgrading to emui9, it feels a bit sluggish. It lags here and there.
I'm gonna do a reset, and see if it helps.
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Wait your outcome, Bro.
Performance
Today I received emui 9 upgrade and so far so good.
Tried antutu on normal mode and I had 159530, with power mode I got 208000 which was better than before on 8.1 206000. My notification led works ok and I didn't notice any difference in battery drain.
The screenshots ?
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Today I received emui 9 upgrade and so far so good.
Tried antutu on normal mode and I had 159530, with power mode I got 208000 which was better than before on 8.1 206000. My notification led works ok and I didn't notice any difference in battery drain.
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Glad to hear that. I got it yesterday, phone runs ok. All things work. Performance is better, some animations are choppy sometimes but it is ok. Battery life seems a bit better so far.
Hi all!
I recently purchased this phone and I'm really disapointed with the performance. Here are the main points:
Antutu scores are like 900k (sometimes less), and I've seen a lot of people scoring over 1kk.
Genshin impact runs REALLY bad, never hitting 60 fps and often going under 30 (before throttling). Results are a lot worse than a snapdragon 870...
The phone overheats randomly
I did a hard reset and installed everything fresh, without copying from other device or anything. Any idea of what can be going on?
Thank you!
Gotten Monday device? 8 gen 1s from Samsung are bad enough for Qualcomm to swap to TSMC now. I would give it back if possible.
Afaik, even after factory resetting your device, if the problem still persists, doesn't that mean there's some problem with the hardware. As the above member said, you should try refunding it.
Same here. 894254 with GT mode ON on global version. Does anyone know what to do to get better results?
cigaleitor said:
Hi all!
I recently purchased this phone and I'm really disapointed with the performance. Here are the main points:
Antutu scores are like 900k (sometimes less), and I've seen a lot of people scoring over 1kk.
Genshin impact runs REALLY bad, never hitting 60 fps and often going under 30 (before throttling). Results are a lot worse than a snapdragon 870...
The phone overheats randomly
I did a hard reset and installed everything fresh, without copying from other device or anything. Any idea of what can be going on?
Thank you!
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What you've done is discover the same issues found by a majority of reviewers which I hope Realme will fix in the software. The phone has a very large passive cooling heatsink, but during long gaming sessions, (or similar) the phone will get a little warm. As far as antutu scores I'm running a benchmark right now. I'll post it as soon as possible.
Here is the screenshot of my device.
I got this phone for $1050 and so far it's great I don't have any issues as you said but there is the heating problem and it'll get resolved in the next update I guess!
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I got this phone for $1050 and so far it's great I don't have any issues as you said but there is the heating problem and it'll get resolved in the next update I guess!
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Wow that is a lot of cash.
That's definitely overpaid. Got it for 500$.
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That's definitely overpaid. Got it for 500$.
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I got it from the Official site so the price is high!
I ended up returning it and getting and iPhone 13 instead. I loved the phone but can't rely con Realme fixing everything. Thank you all for the replies!
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I ended up returning it and getting and iPhone 13 instead. I loved the phone but can't rely con Realme fixing everything. Thank you all for the replies!
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Just so you know Apple devices also have bugs and Apple is slow to fix them unless they involve security issues.
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I ended up returning it and getting and iPhone 13 instead. I loved the phone but can't rely con Realme fixing everything. Thank you all for the replies!
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All phones have issues and they'll get resolved in the updates so you don't have to worry. The Oneplus is the only phone which is worse with major problems! Realme is a good phone.
This is my Score, is it bad? My Battery don't last a day. Antutu Score: 924473. Why is it so much worst than your score? :/
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This is my Score, is it bad? My Battery don't last a day. Antutu Score: 924473. Why is it so much worst than your score? :/
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In the last update Realme may have lowered performance in order to reduce the heat issue some people are complaining about. That is still a fine score. I will make another antutu benchmark and post it here later.
I ran another antutu benchmark. I made sure all processes on the phone were closed except antutu. The score is over 1 million. Build is RMX3301_11_A.14
According to Antutu my score was the number 1 ranking
Here is another screenshot showing my score ranking in the android app.
Okay I resetet my Smartphone now and got another Rank xD. But I have to say my phone was Cold for the Benchmark!
That is an outstanding benchmark.