Related
The Evo already got it, and im sure the incredible is almost there. Whats wrong with the Eris? And what Hboot are those two devices running?
Nikolai2.1 said:
The Evo already got it, and im sure the incredible is almost there. Whats wrong with the Eris? And what Hboot are those two devices running?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
uuuummm what r u talkin about ? im confused , the eris is already rooted ,atleast if u have 1.5 u can root it or the 2.1 ota i belie ve u can too
tazzpatriot said:
uuuummm what r u talkin about ? im confused , the eris is already rooted ,atleast if u have 1.5 u can root it or the 2.1 ota i belie ve u can too
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I thought it would be obvious that im talking about the leaked versions
it's just attention has been diverted that's all. if all the devs were working on rooting those leaks I have no doubt in my mind it would have already been, or very close to being rooted, but as it stands, most devs already have root on their phones so they arent as focused to rooting anymore, just providing more things already rooted phones. I'm sure there are some more devso ut there trying everyday to root it, but without as many, or as much work into it, it's going to be quite a while to get there.
I was looking into it myself, until my trackball stopped working and I got a replacement phone, so I guess I could be to blame as well for this.
Lemcott said:
it's just attention has been diverted that's all. if all the devs were working on rooting those leaks I have no doubt in my mind it would have already been, or very close to being rooted, but as it stands, most devs already have root on their phones so they arent as focused to rooting anymore, just providing more things already rooted phones. I'm sure there are some more devso ut there trying everyday to root it, but without as many, or as much work into it, it's going to be quite a while to get there.
I was looking into it myself, until my trackball stopped working and I got a replacement phone, so I guess I could be to blame as well for this.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
devs are def. working on the issue. problem is, it's a no paying job.
I dont get the whole point in calling Android open source software if they have to lock our phones so we cant do anything. if we screw it up thats our fault so i dont see the problem
cornbreadfarts said:
devs are def. working on the issue. problem is, it's a no paying job.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, I recognized that some are still working on it, I just said that attention has been diverted greatly. do you think releasing an ad blocker, various roms, overclocking, froyo, live wallpapers, aosp/jit support they were busy trying to root at the same time? of course not, you can only do so much at once, and attention to rooting has shifted greatly. have they forgot about it completely? hell no! they just put it on the backburners.
Nikolai2.1 said:
I dont get the whole point in calling Android open source software if they have to lock our phones so we cant do anything. if we screw it up thats our fault so i dont see the problem
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
google and android being open source has nothing to do with it. it's the carriers who prefer to lock down the phones.
A to keep the general public out of things that could hurt. could you imagine any old lady picking up an android phone and overclocking and the SU app, and all the other tools were there? it'd either destroy her phone when she messes with it, or left alone entirely because she doesnt know what they do. eitherway? they become pointless to have on the phone.
B to keep users out of things that cost more money. did you know you have to actually pay verizon an extra addition on your bill to unlock tethering on the phones they allow tethering on? by having root, we can tether without them knowing on phones that don't usually have tethering and we can do it without paying for it. it's not exactly something they want going on, so they lock the phones down.
C safety. Having root access on our phone gives apps a lot more things to control, and with such, if anything malicious gets on our phone, it can do more damage on a root user then a locked down phone.
so take the nexus one for instance, if you bought that through google, not a wireless provider, it still has root on it for the first and last reasons I mentioned. to keep the general public out of things they don't need to be getting into/understand how to control. and with the safety lockdown, the average person who goes "oh what's this?" *click* on a malicious app doesnt get that chance.
it's not about keeping us out, it's about making the service providers happy, and keeping the general public safe.
google has put into android a very simple way to get root access for us all, it's the phone hardware (and their custom software additions) and the service providers that make it harder and harder to get into the system.
makes sense, but safe from what? its a phone... it wont kill you
buttttt how would you go about getting a pre rooted nexus one even if you dont have t mobile and just want the phone?
Nikolai2.1 said:
makes sense, but safe from what? its a phone... it wont kill you
buttttt how would you go about getting a pre rooted nexus one even if you dont have t mobile and just want the phone?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No the phone wont hurt you, just your pocket when the average person, who knows zip about what they are doing with a rooted phone totally bricks the phone and has to buy a new one, at full retail price. Or perhaps they load up a app that causes major issues with the phone, causing it to lock up/fail. again hurting the pocket book by having to buy a new phone at retail price.
I'm not trying to be a **** here but I'm fairly certain that when any of us load anything onto the phone we're aware of the risks it could bring, I would hope you went into this with the same mentality.
that is what we are saying, anying who can make an account on XDA, actually, anyone who has even HEARD of xda is probably smart enough to not do any brick-inducing stupid moves.
I'm talking about the average person who doesnt know the difference between RAM and ROM here, it's locked down to protect them from their own dumb moves.
frankspin said:
I'm not trying to be a **** here but I'm fairly certain that when any of us load anything onto the phone we're aware of the risks it could bring, I would hope you went into this with the same mentality.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thats exactly what im trying to say. if we screw up our phones that our own fault so i dont see why we should worry about others who brick their phones and end up buying new ones. thats their fault and they can deal with it
(now because i said that if im ever able to root ill probably brick my phone trying) karma sucks...
but still.
Im looking into the different tab options out there currently. I've used ipad2 extensively at work and the device is very "nice" but so typically apple in its predictive samey apple experience im after something a little more exiciting . (I.e cyanogen on an awesome tablet! )
Im interested to know what members in the Samsung tab section of XDA have to say.
Sent from my MB860 using Tapatalk
16GB $389 ($429 - $40 instant rebate) at Costco plus you get a free OEM Samsung Pouch. Just picked one up today.
Buy Galaxy Tab 10.1
Yes! I recommend if you crave for all the excitement of rooting and playing around with the tablet as you mentioned the CM9 developments of the ICS for the GT P7500/7510 are pretty exciting...... Beware though that this can be addicting,, waiting each night for some thing more
SS
If you can wait, wait till the MWC which is happening this month end. As per the rumors Samsung will unveil the new version of this tab. So the current tab will get a price cut or you can opt for the new version.
No
Just say NO to locked hardware.
Don't listen to people who tell you to relax and that you can still do x,y,z,
Samsung won't let you do 1,2,3.
With unlocked hardware you can take risks and recover.
More people willing to take risks means a larger dev community.
A larger dev community is good for you.
With unlocked hardware you can actually own what you paid for.
The same people who will tell you to relax and accept limited ownership will themselves admit that if they sold an unlocked tablet on ebay they would ask for more money and advertise the fact that it's unlocked. This means that when Samsung OTA locked all of those unlocked tablets they actually took something of monetary value -and didn't even try to justify it. Asus customers raised up a storm and at least got a promise. Samsung got a pass...I think a little of that is that people already bought the tab and no one wants to feel like a chump.
My advice is to wait and see on Asus' promise of unlocking the Prime. In the meantime don't encourage bad behavior by buying a Samsung product.
rlarkin said:
Just say NO to locked hardware.
Don't listen to people who tell you to relax and that you can still do x,y,z,
Samsung won't let you do 1,2,3.
With unlocked hardware you can take risks and recover.
More people willing to take risks means a larger dev community.
A larger dev community is good for you.
With unlocked hardware you can actually own what you paid for.
The same people who will tell you to relax and accept limited ownership will themselves admit that if they sold an unlocked tablet on ebay they would ask for more money and advertise the fact that it's unlocked. This means that when Samsung OTA locked all of those unlocked tablets they actually took something of monetary value -and didn't even try to justify it. Asus customers raised up a storm and at least got a promise. Samsung got a pass...I think a little of that is that people already bought the tab and no one wants to feel like a chump.
My advice is to wait and see on Asus' promise of unlocking the Prime. In the meantime don't encourage bad behavior by buying a Samsung product.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
do you mean locked = unrooted or locked = stuck with a provider?
Anyway, rooting the device is pretty easy and, if you can't do it, you should stay away from custom rom (and anything android, for that matter)
When it's rooted, well, the fun starts! Samsung provide very good hardware and the latest price cut is realy apealing! I got mine 2 weeks ago for 399$ can, for all it gives, it's pretty descent! IMHO, the quality to price ratio is pretty much the best!
But if you can wait after the annoucement for the new thing, you should get it for even less!
I also recommend you the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, i have mine till 2 weeks and i loooooove it !
Sent from my GT-P7510 using Tapatalk
Cm9 kang. OC'ed. Wicked OEM Samsung book cover case. This is no apple.
ninjalandpirate said:
Im looking into the different tab options out there currently. I've used ipad2 extensively at work and the device is very "nice" but so typically apple in its predictive samey apple experience im after something a little more exiciting . (I.e cyanogen on an awesome tablet! )
Im interested to know what members in the Samsung tab section of XDA have to say.
Sent from my MB860 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is what u need
t1mman said:
do you mean locked = unrooted or locked = stuck with a provider?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Unbelievable. I mean I don't believe you. You must know I meant neither. Or are you saying you aren't aware that Samsung sold unlocked galaxy tablets then locked them OTA? Or that you don't understand what is meant here?
With unlocked hardware you can take risks and recover.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
We've gone from locking down phones to locking down general purpose devices that are analogous to laptops. No one would currently tolerate a laptop that can't flash BIOS or uses encryption to permanently lock you in to an OS, but that is exactly where we will be if people apathetically/sheepishly accept this. Any device with a locked bootloader should be rejected generally, and more specifically buying this tablet rewards unethical behavior (permanently and irrevocably locking people out of their own property months after purchase).
I stand by my recommendation. Wait and see if Asus follows through and delivers an unlock tool and if they do, get a Prime. Myself, I'm dumping this on some chump at ebay and getting a tablet I can own 100% instead of 90%.
rlarkin said:
Unbelievable. I mean I don't believe you. You must know I meant neither. Or are you saying you aren't aware that Samsung sold unlocked galaxy tablets then locked them OTA? Or that you don't understand what is meant here?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I understand squat from what you're trying to tell here...
What exactly do you mean by "locked"?
Most tablets, PDA's and the likes comes pre-loaded with an OS, even netbook or notebook for that matters, even worst for apple's device, wich are "locked" in more ways than anything.
As for Galaxy's, you can put about everything you want with either Odin or with the SDK tools, how is the device "locked" and how is any other (like Asus') are less locked...
It is the same for any PC's, you need special tools to flash the bios, same as you need Odin to flash a bootloader. You can root the OS and be "unlocked" everywhere on the OS layer, open a terminal emulator and do about anything that can be done to a device running an U/X kernel (or the likes)
So, again, how is the Galaxy Tab locked?
The boot loader is locked, keeping him from doing specific things. That we can put various android ROMs on it while still having the locked boot loader is not the issue.
As I understand it people with locked boot loaders cannot use nvflash and must either odin or cwm flash things; believe it or not that does in fact limit things that you can flash. Specifically what I can't say for certain because it's not something of interest to me and obviously not of interest to you either otherwise you'd have uncovered this limitation as well.
Like me, most people looking to flash custom builds on the tab are looking for android based builds like CM9 which are obviously doable on the otherwise locked tab. Rlarkin's point is valid but based on the amount of activity here in the development forum I'd venture to guess he's in the minority as he has needs that go beyond many of those who purchase the device.
We're all free to voice our opinions, it's up the the OP to decide whether or not the locked boot loader is an issue. For most of us it's not.
t1mman said:
I understand squat from what you're trying to tell here...
What exactly do you mean by "locked"?
Most tablets, PDA's and the likes comes pre-loaded with an OS, even netbook or notebook for that matters, even worst for apple's device, wich are "locked" in more ways than anything.
As for Galaxy's, you can put about everything you want with either Odin or with the SDK tools, how is the device "locked" and how is any other (like Asus') are less locked...
It is the same for any PC's, you need special tools to flash the bios, same as you need Odin to flash a bootloader. You can root the OS and be "unlocked" everywhere on the OS layer, open a terminal emulator and do about anything that can be done to a device running an U/X kernel (or the likes)
So, again, how is the Galaxy Tab locked?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, after reading about your so called "locked", how is it relevant to the OP?
The bootloader lock seems to affect only a small fraction of the users, IE: The one that wants imperatively to use NVFlash instead of Odin. Most of the users will do whatever they want with the stock tab, a fraction of the users will flash custom roms, on that fraction, only another small fraction will use tools like Odin, SDKs and more advanced tools, on that fraction, only another small fraction will "need" NVflash.
To conclude, you shouldn't base your recomendation on what YOU need, but rather on what the person asking the question needs. So, if the OP wants to flash using NvFlash, then he shouldn't buy this device. But if you want custom roms, CM9 or many other things that doesn't require this specific tool, well, IMHO, it's a pretty nice device!
I just got my galaxy tab yesterday after returning my transformer prime and am very happy with it. Already rooted it and have romans build on it it runs amazing.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium
With a locked boot loader, if you make the wrong mistake, you . are . done . Brick.
With an unlocked bootloader you can recover. What's that worth to you? How many potential devs don't try something because of the risk involved? What's that mean to you (someone not really interested in development)? It means less cool stuff for you.
With a locked boot loader you can basically achieve "root" and be able to install applications like sshd or anyconnect that *should already work anyway*. By that I mean no one should have to jump through a single hoop to get something so basic as ssh or a vpn client to work on a device like this, this is *not* a phone.
But you can't (way too risky to even think about) repartition, have true dual boot, or experiment with many other things.
So I don't think I'm being selfish in my recommendation. Unlocked bootloaders mean more devs that are able to do more things for *you*. Supporting vendors that sell locked hardware hurts everyone in the end, you included. As I said in my original post, would you buy a laptop that via encryption locks you in solidly to one OS? I don't think anyone would today, but that's where we'll all be eventually if people continue to tolerate this. I mean why should the existence of a touch screen make it okay to lock me out of my own tablet? It shouldn't.
Really a tegra3 + unlocked -GPS vs tegra2 + locked is a no brainer in my opinion. The OP will have more options with the Prime.
I would really not recommend the prime many ppl including me are and were having major problems with it. the wifi is completely screwed up in it, and unless u can solder and take it apart I recommend not wasting ur money I had it 10 days don't get me wrong its a great piece of equipment actually its unbelievable but the wifi, GPS, and Bluetooth drivers and hardware are not there it really is a shame.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium
I wouldn't recommend the tab 10.1 for your case
I'm using it now. It feels just langgy.
I love android, I have sgs2 as my phone and the sgs2 is way smoother.
But the same couldn't be said for the tab10.1.
Its actually just a big LG optimus 2x, the same lausy processor.
Lots of games lags.
After I flash to overcome rom, things improved, but still slower and less smooth compared to I pad.
Basic things like the text entry also slow.
At any text entry, the keyboard always takes a small lag to appear. Most obvious in browser.
I still will choose the tab over the ipad2.
But since you are coming from ipad2, recommend you buy galaxy tab 7.7 or 7 plus.
These 2 uses the exynos chip set similar to sgs 2. Very powerful gpu.
If u try tab 10.1 or 8.9, sure you will be frustrated by the occational lag.
Just being honest.
PS: I still love my tab.
I haven't been on the galaxy tab 10.1 long but I know one thing from experience so far that this tablet on Romans rom is just as fast and maybe less laggy than the stock transformer prime which I am shocked by. I am now asking myself why I didn't buy this before when it came out instead of waiting all I can say is wooooooooow
Sent from my GT-P7510 using xda premium
First of All, I might seem pretty vague as I cannot find the threads where I heard about all this.
So I will apologise in advance If I am talking complete non sense.
Knowing about all the upsides of rooting, I have been seriously considering Rooting my S3 with CF auto root and triangle away.
I understand that currently it is possible to return the phone for warranty and not have any issues with it once stock roms is applied.
What I am worried about is the future implications with rooting, right now Samsung is being quite loose with how strict they are being with letting us root etc. But I heard that they have recently started a background service which keeps tracks of custom files created when rooting and that they are doing this in order to crack down on people who have rooted, using this log when attempting to use warranty. Again this might be completely wrong.
Can anyone confirm this with me, whether this is true? I'm worried about the future implications as I am only going to keep this phone for a year and keeping the 2 year warranty would be a huge plus.
Any help would be appreciated.
polesp said:
Any help would be appreciated.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Someone as scared as you are about the future ought not to be rooting!
Having said that,you need to ask yourself what you wish to achieve by rooting and if you get sound reasons,go ahead.
Try to enjoy your phone and live life kingsize rather than being worried about warranty issues.
Have you heard of anyone successfully having the cake and eating it too?
Life really is too wonderful to be spent worrying about Samsung spying on you!
Tell you what - go on ! Well i can't guarantee that the rumours are false but i can assure you that we'll have a workaround similar to what we have today for re setting bin counter
sathkartha said:
Someone as scared as you are about the future ought not to be rooting!
Having said that,you need to ask yourself what you wish to achieve by rooting and if you get sound reasons,go ahead.
Try to enjoy your phone and live life kingsize rather than being worried about warranty issues.
Have you heard of anyone successfully having the cake and eating it too?
Life really is too wonderful to be spent worrying about Samsung spying on you!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, you are right nothing ventured nothing gained. It is just I am wondering how much it would pay off risking my warranty, I am only looking to install some audio mods and ad-blockers. If this rumour of Samsung tightening up the security in the near future wasn't there, I Would be rooted right now
If Samsung can fool such a large community, then I tip my hat to them (<--- that's my hat)
Like the movie Inception says, once you plant the idea of rooting into a user's mind, s/he will obsess over it. I did for 2 days (my previous android phone ran CM7), and I knew there was no way I could go back. So rooted
My advice: Right now, we have ways to circumvent, reset root counters and regain warranty. Tomorrow we may not. MobileOdin even flashes without changing the counters.
istoner said:
If Samsung can fool such a large community, then I tip my hat to them (<--- that's my hat)
Like the movie Inception says, once you plant the idea of rooting into a user's mind, s/he will obsess over it. I did for 2 days (my previous android phone ran CM7), and I knew there was no way I could go back. So rooted
My advice: Right now, we have ways to circumvent, reset root counters and regain warranty. Tomorrow we may not. MobileOdin even flashes without changing the counters.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That really sums the situation up nicely .
OP make a list of why you want root then decide if its worth it ,
Without root XDA does not exist no mods no custom roms no nothing.
jje
Please delete. The average xda user replying to this topic with their own opinion was not the goal of this thread. Since it seems replies are based off w/e their brains decided to pick out of my OP instead of processing the entire post. Besides I have achieved my goal, thanks.
I'm totally guessing right now, but I think Shelnutt2 is working on something behind the scenes. He's an Optimus G Sprint user, at least, and there are whispers and murmurs about a root method outside of the circle (jcase, autoprime, et al). GUESSING!
I also believe there IS a Sprint root in existence, but it's not public. I personally have resigned myself to just waiting. Hopefully by the end of the month, maybe a bit longer, I'd be surprised if nobody had anything within 30 days. That seems like a long time, but what can you do?
/speculation
Root will come. There are devs working to find a way to get it done. As with any new device, just takes time to find the loop hole. I know (Somehwere) on here, one is working on getting device and hoping (key word here) to release something by Mid august. In all honesty, Only a few reasons I personally want to root right now (Greenify/Titanium backup) other than that.. Stock is working quite well. Hang in there folks.. It'll happen in time.
Thanks for replying without reading my post.
Let's see...looks to me like they read your post as I did.
Root will come when it comes. And they'll charge if they want to.
Bounties don't work very well without having the phone.
There's at least 2 AWESOME Devs that have our phone and are working on getting us Root and Unlock.
Patience is a virtue.
Edit: Sorry..I don't want the above to be taken wrong. So here's some threads about bounties, root, unlock
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2776198
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/discussion-root-g3s-t2816060
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/bounty-lg-g3-d855bootloader-unlocking-t2807900
If you read through those threads, you'll see there's quite the discussion/debate over it all.
Also, We have a Dev team with and without our phone and they are all working on root/unlock. Here's the ones I know of in no particular order.
thecubed
autoprime
jcase - Sprint
Shelnutt2 - Sprint
fiddy619 - Sprint I think
They've all done root/unlocks in the past along with some other important items, like LG's EFS. You lose your EFS, be prepared for tons of work if you're lucky. And usually a Brick by the real definition of paperweight.
Sent from my LGLS990 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
If root is a must, you never want to buy the phone right at release. You will hardly ever have it rooted right out of the box. Just be happy that this isn't iOS and you have to wait months to see something.
Better Battery Plus
Ikyo said:
If root is a must, you never want to buy the phone right at release. You will hardly ever have it rooted right out of the box. Just be happy that this isn't iOS and you have to wait months to see something.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The reason for root on this (and any device) really is that Google in its infinite wisdom locked apps out of the battery info service - https://plus.google.com/+SvenKnispel/posts/ReLvz6KJwG5. So now just to see what's draining the battery, you have to root the phone. The first two days of the G3, my battery was draining like crazy and I couldn't figure out why. It seems to have stabilized now. But even so every now or then it acts up. For me, this is the real big reason for getting the G3 rooted. Then of course, Xposed to get rid of the volume configuration in the notification drop down, TiB for freezing apps and Nandroid backups. I could live without the rest. It's just the checking of battery stats that's bugging me.
But between waiting on this phone and charging it more frequently, I'll do the latter No way I was waiting any longer than I absolutely had to for this beauty.
So ive been putting it off for a while, but its time to retire the device im using. Trouble is, I'm used to being rooted. And theres so much out there, I figured I'd ask here first instead of getting swamped trying to dig through the options.
So, my budget is around $250-300, flexible depending on the device and what not. Prepaid cuz **** contracts and all that. And so you know what I'm coming from, Im currently on a Galaxy J3 with Virgin. So whatever it is should be a noticeable, preferably significant upgrade from that.
Things ive never had in a phone but would definitely pay a little more for:
Fingerprint sensor
NFC capabilities (android pay, etc)
Anything that has been standard on fancier, more expensive phones but not on devices under ~$150 (my max I'd spend in the past).
Carrier doesnt matter too much, as long as its prepaid/no contract.
Help me people, I await your advice.
Also, apologies if this isnt where this should be posted.
darknaio said:
So ive been putting it off for a while, but its time to retire the device im using. Trouble is, I'm used to being rooted. And theres so much out there, I figured I'd ask here first instead of getting swamped trying to dig through the options.
So, my budget is around $250-300, flexible depending on the device and what not. Prepaid cuz **** contracts and all that. And so you know what I'm coming from, Im currently on a Galaxy J3 with Virgin. So whatever it is should be a noticeable, preferably significant upgrade from that.
Things ive never had in a phone but would definitely pay a little more for:
Fingerprint sensor
NFC capabilities (android pay, etc)
Anything that has been standard on fancier, more expensive phones but not on devices under ~$150 (my max I'd spend in the past).
Carrier doesnt matter too much, as long as its prepaid/no contract.
Help me people, I await your advice.
Also, apologies if this isnt where this should be posted.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Try Micromax Canvas Infinity
Ill go the whole ordering a phone overseas as a last resort. Id prefer it to not be too "off brand" if possible. If not then we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.