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Hey folks, I just picked up a Galaxy Nexus when it was on sale for $549. I'll probably be selling the Amaze soon. Let me know what you guys would like to see comparison wise between the two. I'm running Bulletproof on the Amaze and AOKP on the Nexus.
Id like to see picture comparison between the two. thank you
Felinos11 said:
Id like to see picture comparison between the two. thank you
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I already had a thread a while back regarding picture comparison, there is no comparison as I've been told!!! camera and pictures are below par on the galaxy nexus. There are at least a dozen phones out that take better pics. the new HTC camera is the best on the market, better than iphone 4s's as well... The new camera is currently employed in the amaze and the rezound. f/2.2 28 mm wide angle lense, backside illuminated sensor. the viewing angle is very wide, meaning you don't have to keep moving back to get someone in the pic. f/2.2 gives you very close and clear macro shots and very good shots in general... the iphone 4s has an aperture of f/2.4 the lower the aperture the closer you can get a macro also Smaller aperture=greater depth of field/wider zone of focus.
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I already had a thread a while back regarding picture comparison, there is no comparison as I've been told!!! camera and pictures are below par on the galaxy nexus. There are at least a dozen phones out that take better pics. the new HTC camera is the best on the market, better than iphone 4s's as well... The new camera is currently employed in the amaze and the rezound. f/2.2 28 mm wide angle lense, backside illuminated sensor. the viewing angle is very wide, meaning you don't have to keep moving back to get someone in the pic. f/2.2 gives you very close and clear macro shots and very good shots in general... the iphone 4s has an aperture of f/2.4 the lower the aperture the closer you can get a macro also Smaller aperture=greater depth of field/wider zone of focus.
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dude I know you love reading tech articles and stuff but I am not that big fan of blabla details they post on some phonereview websites. who cares what the characteristics of the cameras are on the paper? when it comes to pictures the image talks itself so 2 pictures of the same object will be the best way to judge which camera is better
Felinos11 said:
dude I know you love reading tech articles and stuff but I am not that big fan of blabla details they post on some phonereview websites. who cares what the characteristics of the cameras are on the paper? when it comes to pictures the image talks itself so 2 pictures of the same object will be the best way to judge which camera is better
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Because some specs on paper actually matter.. the MOST important thing in the camera is the lense, and sensor which HTC has one of the best in these phones atm, along with Nokia, and Sonys xperia line. I was so disapointed when looking at the pictuers and video taken with the galaxy nexus, its def not worth the $600+ i would never pay that for a phone anyways..
edit: thats why dslr are some of the best cameras on the market. you dont see people saying "its just specs on paper, and they dont matter". its because of the the lense and sensor they put into the cameras. i can see people saying that to MP because you cant really tell a difference between 5 and 8 MP comeing to regular pictures unless zooming in or video
Felinos11 said:
dude I know you love reading tech articles and stuff but I am not that big fan of blabla details they post on some phonereview websites. who cares what the characteristics of the cameras are on the paper? when it comes to pictures the image talks itself so 2 pictures of the same object will be the best way to judge which camera is better
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Lets just stop reading about specks of things from now one because they don't matter.
I also love how people come to this forum saying iphone 4s camera is better. I have personally taken multiple pictures with my phone and my friends 4s and put them on my 1080 p screen at home...Amaze kicks the butt out of 4s...some people think the camera on the 4s is better because the picture they see on the phone looks better...It's not a fair comparison. The two screens have different dpi's screen saturations etc. If you want to compare pics...get a big screen best quality screen you can find and connect your computer to it...maybe a monitor better than a 1080p... then judge for yourself...screen saturation of monitors also affect how a picture looks. heck print the picture ans see which one is better.
I have also taken pictures with the galaxy nexus in the store and with my amaze, even with bluetoothed all pictures to both phones and compared, so I have the same screen comparing the pictures...go do it and see which one is better...If you come here for advice and you get one, why do yo argue against it. BTW my brother and I are very much into photographers, my brother more than me. and specs do matter. megapixels after 5 might not not matter as much, but sensors matter the most, and amaze has a very good one, and lense aperture, lense quality and viewing field all matter.
go research and see if aperture size matters!!! I blieve galaxy nexus aperture is like f/2.75 vs ours f/2.2...you're saying specs don't matter...then go buy a computer with the least amount of ram and a slow hard drive and cpu...specs don't matter.
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Lets just stop reading about specks of things from now one because they don't matter.
I also love how people come to this forum saying iphone 4s camera is better. I have personally taken multiple pictures with my phone and my friends 4s and put them on my 1080 p screen at home...Amaze kicks the butt out of 4s...some people think the camera on the 4s is better because the picture they see on the phone looks better...It's not a fair comparison. The two screens have different dpi's screen saturations etc. If you want to compare pics...get a big screen best quality screen you can find and connect your computer to it...maybe a monitor better than a 1080p... then judge for yourself...screen saturation of monitors also affect how a picture looks. heck print the picture ans see which one is better.
I have also taken pictures with the galaxy nexus in the store and with my amaze, even with bluetoothed all pictures to both phones and compared, so I have the same screen comparing the pictures...go do it and see which one is better...If you come here for advice and you get one, why do yo argue against it. BTW my brother and I are very much into photographers, my brother more than me. and specs do matter. megapixels after 5 might not not matter as much, but sensors matter the most, and amaze has a very good one, and lense aperture, lense quality and viewing field all matter.
go research and see if aperture size matters!!! I blieve galaxy nexus aperture is like f/2.84 vs ours f/2.2...you're saying specs don't matter...then go buy a computer with the least amount of ram and a slow hard drive and cpu...specs don't matter.
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Exactly my thoghts, lol. of course everything will look better on the iphones screen its higher resolution on a smaller screen with more vibrant colors. same goes with those sammy devices super AMOLED + screens
seansk said:
Lets just stop reading about specks of things from now one because they don't matter.
I also love how people come to this forum saying iphone 4s camera is better. I have personally taken multiple pictures with my phone and my friends 4s and put them on my 1080 p screen at home...Amaze kicks the butt out of 4s...some people think the camera on the 4s is better because the picture they see on the phone looks better...It's not a fair comparison. The two screens have different dpi's screen saturations etc. If you want to compare pics...get a big screen best quality screen you can find and connect your computer to it...maybe a monitor better than a 1080p... then judge for yourself...screen saturation of monitors also affect how a picture looks. heck print the picture ans see which one is better.
I have also taken pictures with the galaxy nexus in the store and with my amaze, even with bluetoothed all pictures to both phones and compared, so I have the same screen comparing the pictures...go do it and see which one is better...If you come here for advice and you get one, why do yo argue against it. BTW my brother and I are very much into photographers, my brother more than me. and specs do matter. megapixels after 5 might not not matter as much, but sensors matter the most, and amaze has a very good one, and lense aperture, lense quality and viewing field all matter.
go research and see if aperture size matters!!! I blieve galaxy nexus aperture is like f/2.75 vs ours f/2.2...you're saying specs don't matter...then go buy a computer with the least amount of ram and a slow hard drive and cpu...specs don't matter.
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http://inluminent.com/2005/12/14/digital-photography-101-aperture/
someone was saying in another thread that iphone takes better low light pictures...thats ignorant with lower aperture number you get a bigger aperture size...means more light comming into the camera...so iphone 4s's f/2.4 has a smaller aperture thus letting less light in, than a f/2.2 which has a better aperture letting more light in...just ignorant...lower aperture also leads to better clarity and overall and closer macro shots!!! people should read a little camera 101 before they start posting things based on pure opinions about camera's.
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http://inluminent.com/2005/12/14/digital-photography-101-aperture/
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explains why my brothers incredible has a huge lense compared to mine and looks worse when taking pictures xD
seansk said:
http://inluminent.com/2005/12/14/digital-photography-101-aperture/
someone was saying in another thread that iphone takes better low light pictures...thats ignorant with lower aperture number you get a bigger aperture size...means more light comming into the camera...so iphone 4s's f/2.4 has a smaller aperture thus letting less light in, than a f/2.2 which has a better aperture letting more light in...just ignorant...lower aperture also leads to better clarity and overall and closer macro shots!!! people should read a little camera 101 before they start posting things based on pure opinions about camera's.
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U are a "mod" u know rules better than me so y dnt u gtfo? This thread is about comparison the op offered and thats what i want to see two pics and ur comments have nothing to do with the op
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stratax said:
explains why my brothers incredible has a huge lense compared to mine and looks worse when taking pictures xD
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the lense has nothing to do with aperture...on point and shoot cameras aperture size changes based on lighting, on dslr's you can control them manually....on in general lower aperture number is means a bigger aperture hole; thus more light. older phones have higher aperture numbers thus letting in less light, less clarity etc. The big lense size has nothing to do with aperture...aperture is like the iris of the camera...
Felinos11 said:
U are a "mod" u know rules better than me so y dnt u gtfo? This thread is about comparison the op offered and thats what i want to see two pics and ur comments have nothing to do with the op
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He was just saying how the HTC camera is better than the Galaxy Nexus, and used the iphone as an example because iphones have such "big hype" for no reason. a good example imo cause everyone thinks iphones are better than everything because the Apple logo/name. then you replied to him saying specs dont matter blah, with that comment he had prove you wrong so i wouldnt be pointing pictures and telling him to gtfo. no need for that
Felinos11 said:
U are a "mod" u know rules better than me so y dnt u gtfo? This thread is about comparison the op offered and thats what i want to see two pics and ur comments have nothing to do with the op
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I am not a mod. I am sorry I offended you...I have tried explaining things over and over about camera's in different threads, but people just like to be ignorant about it...I admit I am sensitive when it comes to camera quality! hope you find what you're looking for! Again my appologise I came off as being an a hole...but there's not need to curse. truce.
seansk said:
the lense has nothing to do with aperture...on point and shoot cameras aperture size changes based on lighting, on dslr's you can control them manually....on in general lower aperture number is means a bigger aperture hole; thus more light. older phones have higher aperture numbers thus letting in less light, less clarity etc. The big lense size has nothing to do with aperture...aperture is like the iris of the camera...
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Yeah thats what i meant, when i had my sensation i was looking at his incredible and comparing the camera side by side and his aperture/lense looks much bigger and i thought to myself how come the photos look so crappy then lol. i know a bit about cameras but im not genius
edit: on topic i wonder why samsung picked such a crap camera on the galaxy nexus then on their galaxy s ii had a pretty good camera.. makes no sense, isnt the galaxy nexus supposed to top the android market? like the nexus 1 did back in the day
stratax said:
Yeah thats what i meant, when i had my sensation i was looking at his incredible and comparing the camera side by side and his aperture/lense looks much bigger and i thought to myself how come the photos look so crappy then lol. i know a bit about cameras but im not genius
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I know there are some sonyericsson phones out there with variable aperture size...If we could change aperture size's like dslr's on our phone it would be heaven!!!! As of now...the lighting is controlled by software...on point and shoots lighting is changed by changing aperture size like the iris of your eye. This controls both lighting and clarity, phones do this through software, thus having a bigger aperture (smaller aperture size f/size) is beneficial because the software can always turn down the lighting if needed...but you cannot get more lighting if you have a smaller aperture focusing pictures is a whole other story and are done through different ways....I gotta make a thread about camera's let me get some good sites and info together and i'll make a nice thread regarding camera quality.
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stratax said:
Yeah thats what i meant, when i had my sensation i was looking at his incredible and comparing the camera side by side and his aperture/lense looks much bigger and i thought to myself how come the photos look so crappy then lol. i know a bit about cameras but im not genius
edit: on topic i wonder why samsung picked such a crap camera on the galaxy nexus then on their galaxy s ii had a pretty good camera.. makes no sense, isnt the galaxy nexus supposed to top the android market? like the nexus 1 did back in the day
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I believe its a little bit of cost issue a little bit of politics. Samsung didn't want their best phone to be the google one. I think google gets a good margin of profit from these types of devices. They probably sacrificed the camera for a 720p screen for cost reasons...the 720p pentile amoled is not that great...the rezounds 720p slcd is much better: 1. because its a smaller screen and has a higher pixel density, higher than iphone, lol!!! and 2. its a regular rgb matrix instead of pentile!!
seansk said:
I know there are some sonyericsson phones out there with variable aperture size...If we could change aperture size's like dslr's on our phone it would be heaven!!!! As of now...the lighting is controlled by software...on point and shoots lighting is changed by changing aperture size like the iris of your eye. This controls both lighting and clarity, phones do this through software, thus having a bigger aperture (smaller aperture size f/size) is beneficial because the software can always turn down the lighting if needed...but you cannot get more lighting if you have a smaller aperture focusing pictures is a whole other story and are done through different ways....I gotta make a thread about camera's let me get some good sites and info together and i'll make a nice thread regarding camera quality.
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Imagine if nikon helped make a camera on a new smartphone lol, seeing there new NIkon 1 how they make a camera that great in that small of a size is great. im sure phone cameras will only get better
remember back in the day like the pantech phones (pantech matrix for example) haha. had like a 1mp camera and people were hype just because it was a phone, with a camera. now we have cameras on our phones as good as some point and shoot cameras. and video almost as good as a DSLR
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I believe its a little bit of cost issue a little bit of politics. Samsung didn't want their best phone to be the google one. I think google gets a good margin of profit from these types of devices. They probably sacrificed the camera for a 720p screen for cost reasons...the 720p pentile amoled is not that great...the rezounds 720p slcd is much better: 1. because its a smaller screen and has a higher pixel density, higher than iphone, lol!!! and 2. its a regular rgb matrix instead of pentile!!
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Well http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/cor...easedetails/xperiaspressreleasefinal-20120110
and thats all i have to say.. haha
"4.3 inch Reality Display with Mobile BRAVIA® Engine with HD resolution screen (1280 x 720), as well as front (720p) and back (1080p) cameras for HD recording.
1.5GHz dual-core processor for fast browsing and content download, which can be stored on the internal 32GB flash storage.
12MP back camera with Sony Exmor R™ for mobile along with Fastest Capture to take shots in just 1.5 seconds directly from standby mode." even the front camera has 720p.
the pictures that were posted from it on gsm mobile were incredible.
edit: Aperture is f/2.4. and Exmor R sensor http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-Xperia-S-12MP-camera-samples_id25781
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Imagine if nikon helped make a camera on a new smartphone lol, seeing there new NIkon 1 how they make a camera that great in that small of a size is great. im sure phone cameras will only get better
remember back in the day like the pantech phones (pantech matrix for example) haha. had like a 1mp camera and people were hype just because it was a phone, with a camera. now we have cameras on our phones as good as some point and shoot cameras. and video almost as good as a DSLR
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Well http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/cor...easedetails/xperiaspressreleasefinal-20120110
and thats all i have to say.. haha
"4.3 inch Reality Display with Mobile BRAVIA® Engine with HD resolution screen (1280 x 720), as well as front (720p) and back (1080p) cameras for HD recording.
1.5GHz dual-core processor for fast browsing and content download, which can be stored on the internal 32GB flash storage.
12MP back camera with Sony Exmor R™ for mobile along with Fastest Capture to take shots in just 1.5 seconds directly from standby mode." even the front camera has 720p.
the pictures that were posted from it on gsm mobile were incredible.
edit: Aperture is f/2.4. and Exmor R sensor http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-Xperia-S-12MP-camera-samples_id25781
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YES....Sony is coming back!!! I used to have a sonyericsson phone 6 years ago!!!
seansk said:
YES....Sony is coming back!!! I used to have a sonyericsson phone 6 years ago!!!
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exactly! no more ericsson haha, did you see how good the zoom/detail was on it? you can see every word on the tv which was pretty far away.. 720p display + 12mp camera with great sensor = sold. not to mention the 32gb storage and i love sonys ui. also a Playstation cerified phone.. i think Sony should have made the newest nexus xD only bad thing is the battry isnt removable and no sdcard slot but neither does the galaxy nexus
Guys whatever I just envy I didnt have class now so I could read all the stuff you are writting but seriously I am looking forward to see two pics taken with nexus and amaze
And btw i noticed u said nikon, screw nikon canon rules!
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The one thing about the Galaxy that pushed me toward switching was the AMOLED screen, it's just so pretty! The blacks are so deep and the colors so crisp. Aside from that however, the Amaze pretty much takes the cake, especially in respect to build quality and the camera as mentioned.
Either way, this comparison is rather exciting
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I wouldnt even know what to do with a phone that big / camera that small.
It might be cool if someone could hack it to get some nicer camera features like infrared photography, but they have gone a little crazy with their different S4's Just stick to one great phone Samsung!
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IF I had to choose a camera with android, id go with the samsung NX, but i am a canon and nikon guy. i prefer canon, but nikon has a great mirrorless camera system and some of their lenses are great quality!!!!
LOL smartphone camera?!? please if you're looking for a camera and are serious you wouldn't buy anything but a Nikon, maybe a Canon (meh) That is so gimicky, why would anyone bother? i mean the camera on the S4 is more then enough unless you bump up to a DSLR. If the regular S4 camera isn't enough, then you NEED a DSLR. TOTAL waste of someones money.
I think that if I were to have a point and shoot camera it would be great to be able to do more than just pictures. Full android can do so much.
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I think that if I were to have a point and shoot camera it would be great to be able to do more than just pictures. Full android can do so much.
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I agree... This replaces the point and shoot and has the ability to do all the things a smartphone can. This is perfect for someone like my mom. Honestly.
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Eric214 said:
LOL smartphone camera?!? please if you're looking for a camera and are serious you wouldn't buy anything but a Nikon, maybe a Canon (meh) That is so gimicky, why would anyone bother? i mean the camera on the S4 is more then enough unless you bump up to a DSLR. If the regular S4 camera isn't enough, then you NEED a DSLR. TOTAL waste of someones money.
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I disagree. For a decent amateur photographer the camera on the S4 is spartan. I could get a lot better pictures with just a little better camera. I wouldn't edc a dslr but I would happily trade a little size and weight for a little more camera built in to my smartphone.
Now, I don't know that this new iteration of the S4 is the right implementation but I'm glad they're working on it. IMO they need to dispatch with the gimmicks like 10x optical zoom and megapixel-mania and focus on a really high quality lens, (the S4 has a 13mp sensor and 2mp glass. Stupid.) and sensible placement of a few real buttons for on-the-fly control of the basic camera functions I mentioned above. I'd buy that all day every day.
I'd like to see a 10mp sensor with 10mp f2.0 glass with macro ability, no optical zoom, yes to image stabilization. ZERO SHUTTER LAG. Two rocker buttons on one side each to be used by an index finger, one for digital zoom, another for other controls (shutter speed/aperture, etc.) Two hard buttons on the opposite side each to be used by a thumb. One for shutter, the other to select which function the second rocker controls. Let the user reassign the buttons. Use wireless signal to trigger a hand-held flash accessory so that a real flash can be used properly. That's your winning smartphone-camera.
Not to say samsung point and shoots are as good as a nikon.... but samsung does make some pretty high quality cameras. I know the $200 samsung I picked up about 3 years ago outdid my friends D40. And was very close to the 3100. Do I want to talk into a giant camera? Hell no. But I just wouldn't be too quick to knock samsung cameras. They are a great value for the quality camera you get.
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please if you're looking for a camera and are serious you wouldn't buy anything but a Nikon, maybe a Canon (meh)
HAHA... so you're a nikon guy. I used to have a canon 5dII with a few L lenses. sold alll that to pay off debt and now i have a canon advanced point and shoot.
Last time i went nikon, it turned out really badly. NEVER AGAIN.
Their Samsungs new mirrorless camera the galaxy NX looks appealing, but if i were to go with interchangeable lenses again, i would go all out and go with my old setup with a fullframe and their L lenses.
I wouldnt mind going with nikons fullframe too, but I like canons loyalty program.
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Anyways, i would never buy the GS4 Zoom. Awkwaaaard.
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Hi to all,
This phone look so good. I have OP5 and i want better phone with better camera. I have some questions:
1. Slow motion - is the same 120fps at 720p or it is 240fps at 1080p?
2. Time Lapse - can it record at 4K? At which speed? ( x6, x10, x36 etc...)
3. Is there a portrait mode?
4. Point zoom - can it be use in time laps?
I see many videos but i really cant find slow motion and time laps.
And if you can chose between wide angle and telephoto x2 what will you chose?
P. S. Did you think the LG V30 have good zoom that doesn't lost so much details when you zoom x2 or x8?
It's 720p @120fps
Time lapse won't be at 4k for any Android
No portrait mode as no telephoto lense.
I will go with wide angle any day as I am into taking pics that can gather larger data ( field of view) and not much into taking pics of people ( telephoto is basically and better used for this)
Thx a lot for answer. Too bad that V30 (multimedia phone) didn't have 240fps.
I have a new question, did V30 have same hardware front face camera like LG G6? Because G6 have very bad front face camera.
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Thx a lot for answer. Too bad that V30 (multimedia phone) didn't have 240fps.
I have a new question, did V30 have same hardware front face camera like LG G6? Because G6 have very bad front face camera.
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Hi I don't have the phone but trying to get as much information about it as possible, as far as I understand the front camera is exactly the same module as the G6, it's basic, and selfie lovers as well as bloggers are supposed to be using the rear camera instead. For front camera performance the HTC U11 as well as the Nokia 8 phones are recommended.
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Thx a lot for answer. Too bad that V30 (multimedia phone) didn't have 240fps.
I have a new question, did V30 have same hardware front face camera like LG G6? Because G6 have very bad front face camera.
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I don't know if it is the "exact" same camera, but every review I've seen says it inferior to most if not all the other flagship phones (S8, note 8, U11, iPhone and so on).
It a bit of a let down, but I don't really use the front camera, so not a big deal to me.
I don't know it is the exact same camera, but every review I've seen says it inferior to most if not all the other flagship phones (S8, note 8, U11, iPhone and so on).
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Yes i see that LG V30 have better back camera much more clear and bettwr then Note8.
I'm comparing it to my old HTC 10 and the quality is night and day. It's blurry/fuzzy, the colors are washed out. It reminds me of the quality of my old cheap webcam from 10 years ago.
Because you didn't turn off all the skin toning and skin lighting junk that's on by default. I was able to shoot selfies with more detail than any model would ever want to see on themselves so I know it isn't the camera's fault.
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Because you didn't turn off all the skin toning and skin lighting junk that's on by default. I was able to shoot selfies with more detail than any model would ever want to see on themselves so I know it isn't the camera's fault.
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No, everything is disabled. It's terrible quality.
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It's terrible quality.
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My testing and photos say otherwise. Like I said, way more detail in the selfies I've taken than most people who sit for me would ever want to see in a photo. It's not the camera.
Hey, coming from a Nexus 6 ... this is a major improvement.
Okay let's settle this, 5 mp camera is not the best out there, especially compared to iPhone 8's new front facing camera or even Samsung's I guess, although I can only tell based on what I see on internet, as I don't own them. Makes me wonder why it's so hard to create a perfect phone? I mean you did almost everything perfectly right, put a damn 8 mp camera with ois or whatever and hit a home run, why did they choose this front facing camera is beyond my understanding
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Because the reality is that in order to actually see a doubling of resolution, you actually have to quadruple the megapixel count. So to see twice the detail of a 5mp sensor, you would have to use a 20mp sensor. 20mp at selfie cam size would be insane. The cameras that are using 16mp selfie cameras (such as the HTC U11) are actually using the main shooter from the V30. But to squeeze that extra sensor in with OIS would require more room and produce more heat which would cause issues with amp glow on your other sensors. Digital imaging can be a real P.I.T.A. even with dedicated cameras. Cellphone cameras are a miracle that they even produce anything worthwhile. And that's usually due to being conservative in your approach to what hardware you use.
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Because the reality is that in order to actually see a doubling of resolution, you actually have to quadruple the megapixel count. So to see twice the detail of a 5mp sensor, you would have to use a 20mp sensor. 20mp at selfie cam size would be insane. The cameras that are using 16mp selfie cameras (such as the HTC U11) are actually using the main shooter from the V30. But to squeeze that extra sensor in with OIS would require more room and produce more heat which would cause issues with amp glow on your other sensors. Digital imaging can be a real P.I.T.A. even with dedicated cameras. Cellphone cameras are a miracle that they even produce anything worthwhile. And that's usually due to being conservative in your approach to what hardware you use.
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Thanks! I already learned something interesting today Is that the reason why the Nokia 8 and the HTC U11 have larger bezels as well in order to have enough room to tackle these technical challenges?
emmanuelw said:
Thanks! I already learned something interesting today Is that the reason why the Nokia 8 and the HTC U11 have larger bezels as well in order to have enough room to tackle these technical challenges?
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Yes, bezels really only exist to hide hardware that they haven't figured out how to downsize or place elsewhere. To get tiny bezels, you have to use tiny camera, earpiece, and proximity sensor hardware or just get rid of them. OIS units make things much bigger as you have to put a ring of motors around the object you're stabilizing. Earpieces/speakers take up a lot of space. I'm guessing Google used the headphone jack space to add more battery and the second speaker, with the second speaker adding more bezel. Proximity sensor is probably the smallest thing in the bezels. Display drivers used to be a big contributor (Moto 360 flat tire was a display driver if I remember right) but with the modern OLED panels they just, er, tuck 'em.
Not passing judgement on the quality of the selfie cam, but I notice that as with the main camera, it too has a "wide angle" setting.
But with only the single camera, necessarily this means that the non-wide setting is digitally zoomed, plus I'd bet there's heavy software correction going on to get rid of all of the wide angle distortion. Perhaps that's asking too much from a 5 MP sensor?
However, I rarely take selfies, and when I do, I'm often trying to squeeze in the other people that are with me, or some scene in the background, so maybe I'll find the native wider angle appealing? Hard to tell in-store with all the florescent lighting.
Mudig said:
No, everything is disabled. It's terrible quality.
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Agreed, turned all that off too and it still looks like crap.
Maybe find something better looking to shoot? The camera does really well.
CHH2 said:
Maybe find something better looking to shoot? The camera does really well.
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Lol wow dude is talking about a selfie this guy says find something better to shoot lmao.
I've never taken an awful photo with the front facing V30 camera. I really don't understand how anyone thinks it's awful.
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From my experience, it only does poorly in low light, that is, compared to 2017 flagships. I don't think it's nearly as bad a many claim it is.
If you look at a lot of of comparisons with the between the likes of the note 8, iphone x and pixel 2, it holds up really well. The biggest difference is really between the pixel 2 and pretty much every other flagship front facer, it has by far the best front facing cam on the market by a good margin imo. The v30 front cam can look really good, is just dosen't produce quite as much detail as the others, and maybe lacks in dynamic range a bit.
If you turn on flash in low light, you see better results. It’s not real flash obviously but I’ve been impressed when it gets it right.
maybe youre ugly lol jk
I've personally had my eyes on the Mi 9 for a while since the first set of leaks came out, as the leaks got more & more specific & started to list the camera specifications I noticed immediately the lack of OIS & assumed it was just left off there accidentally, then when it was announced yesterday it was confirmed not to have OIS, admittedly at first it did put me off slightly as not having such a feature on a 2019 flagship seemed ridiculous to me, now however I'm not sure & will wait till the event on the 24th, let me know what you guys think & if it's important to you.
Without OIS you get bad pics at night. Video is okay with EIS but without OIS, you can't fix that.
When I pay over 400€, OIS is a must have.
With OIS you can only get better pictures of static scene at night or lower light. Does not apply to kids, pets or any moving objects that get blured out thanks to slower shutter speed compared to sensors without OIS that must use faster shutter speeds by design. For video OIS is useless. So it is understandable that OEMs like Xiaomi are cutting costs on OIS that you have very limited range of use. Basically only usecase today's is night static scene and that is not worth extra cost/devide thickness for aggressive priced devices like MI 9.
It doesn't really matter for me
Man that is so sad ois makes a flagship
They should have sacrificed a camera or 2 just for the ois
For the price l'm not crying about OIS. If i want it that bad I'll pay the premium elsewhere.
Rommco05 said:
When I noticed Mi9 is without OIS I was hardly shocked but I can leave one year without OIS and hoping Mi10 will have stabilization back. DXOmark give too high score to Mi9 so we should be fine also without. So yes I will but Mi9
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It'll be interesting for sure to see how especially night photography will turn out with the Mi 9 vs the competition with OIS. Do we have a whitepaper somewhere that would show exactly how for example HDR+ (Google) works? Does it use a longer exposure for the shots, especially on Night Mode, or are the images that are stitched together taken with a relatively short exposure? (ie potentially possible even without OIS)
@D1G1TE OIS useless in videos? Man, than I need to tell you, that EIS works only in 30fps modes, so you are left absolutely without any stabilization in video, my mi 8 will record better 60fps videos (of course as soon as it's get update for it )
If OIS is compensated in the software section. Like they said in hands on. It doesn't bother me.
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Xiaomi said that?
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No it was mentioned in a hands on (can't remember which) that EIS was doing its thing.
It has no ois yet its an extremely good camera?
??? What is going on here
Does it take decent night shots no blurry eis?
The GSM Arena review has convinced me the camera will be superior for my needs.
I don't believe I've ever had a phone with OIS - it is tricky to miss what you don't have!
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No it was mentioned in a hands on (can't remember which) that EIS was doing its thing.
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The GSM Arena review mentions it in the Video section
EIS is available for both cameras and all common resolutions (4K, 1080p and 720p), but it works only for the 30fps modes. The digital stabilization does a great job smoothing the camera shake at the expense of minor loss of FoV.
ToneLa said:
The GSM Arena review has convinced me the camera will be superior for my needs.
I don't believe I've ever had a phone with OIS - it is tricky to miss what you don't have!
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The GSM Arena review mentions it in the Video section
EIS is available for both cameras and all common resolutions (4K, 1080p and 720p), but it works only for the 30fps modes. The digital stabilization does a great job smoothing the camera shake at the expense of minor loss of FoV.
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OK?? So no stabilisation at all 60fps? That kind of sucks.
https://www.gizchina.com/2019/02/17/mi-9-closed-loop-motor-explained/
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https://www.gizchina.com/2019/02/17/mi-9-closed-loop-motor-explained/
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Is it possible to have OIS with a closed loop motor? Not sure I understood the article fully. Thanks!
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Is it possible to have OIS with a closed loop motor? Not sure I understood the article fully. Thanks!
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From how I read it, with the position sensor immediately informing the VCM to adjust, that means that OIS isn't necessarily needed, however whether it's possible is a different matter entirely I think
I find it a strange story. If you compare those drawings it looks to me it's an enhanced OIS. Now with a positioning sensor.
Why didn't they market this aspect better...?? It wasn't been told in the presentation.
Yes it has OIS but better?
BTW. I hear the "closed loop motor" now for the first time.
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I find it a strange story. If you compare those drawings it looks to me it's an enhanced OIS. Now with a positioning sensor.
Why didn't they market this aspect better...?? It wasn't been told in the presentation.
Yes it has OIS but better?
BTW. I hear the "closed loop motor" now for the first time.
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Because it's inferior to OIS, basically the "closed loop motor" can focus faster & more accurate thanks to the positioning sensor, however in regards to stability OIS wins because it isn't fixed, you'll see quite a few Mi 9 owners complaining over blur in night shots, this is because when the persons had shakes there is no OIS to compensate.
Edit: I saw inferior because if you look at the Mix 3's focusing it was perfectly fine imo, we've lost OIS for something that wasn't necessarily "bad" in the first place.
This is how I think it works based on my own research, Xiaomi didn't really give us any information on it themselves, so if anyone more knowledgeable has more to add or correct, feel free
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Because it's inferior to OIS, basically the "closed loop motor" can focus faster & more accurate thanks to the positioning sensor, however in regards to stability OIS wins because it isn't fixed, you'll see quite a few Mi 9 owners complaining over blur in night shots, this is because when the persons had shakes there is no OIS to compensate.
Edit: I saw inferior because if you look at the Mix 3's focusing it was perfectly fine imo, we've lost OIS for something that wasn't necessarily "bad" in the first place.
This is how I think it works based on my own research, Xiaomi didn't really give us any information on it themselves, so if anyone more knowledgeable has more to add or correct, feel free
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I read somewhere that the fact Mi 9 is using a larger sensor, and because of this fitting OIS wasn't possible. Do you know of any phone with the Sony IMX586 sensor that has OIS? This doesn't explain why eg the telephoto sensor and lens doesn't have OIS though ?
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I read somewhere that the fact Mi 9 is using a larger sensor, and because of this fitting OIS wasn't possible. Do you know of any phone with the Sony IMX586 sensor that has OIS? This doesn't explain why eg the telephoto sensor and lens doesn't have OIS though ?
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The Honor View 20 uses the IMX586 & that too doesn't have OIS it uses EIS & AIS. There is also another Xiaomi device, the Redmi Note 7 Pro, which has the IMX586 & again, there is no OIS, assuming they're the only devices that use the IMX586 then it's confirmed that there is no OIS possible with the IMX586