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Please advice me what to buy. I want an android-without-google phone. With e.g. cyanogenmod, or any other. I am good with computers, and coding, but myself I have no clue yet about Android development.
The Samsung Galaxy A3 (2016) seems better supported in this forum - so perhaps a fully functional ROM will appear earlier? True?
But it has only 1.5 GB RAM. All specs here.
The Wiko ufeel is cheaper and looks like the more powerful hardware (e.g. 3 GB RAM), all specs here, and their marketing stuff.
But xda-developers.com does not even have a subforum for Wiko yet? Does that perhaps mean, it is unlikely there will be a ROM soon?
But both have non-removable batteries, which sounds really idiotic.
Which other phone would you suggest in that price range, with similar specs? For which there is already (or soon will be) a fully functional alternative ROM?
I am asking because I own a Sony xperia E1 (yes, I know, stupid me), and even after 21 months there is no ROM ready. This time, I want to be cleverer, and first check the forums, before I buy the hardware.
What do you suggest? Any hint much appreciated!
Thanks a lot for your time!
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Another (much pricier, probably too much for me?) suggestion was the Sony Z5 compact, but after my E1 experience I am not a big Sony fan anymore... (?)
But yes, all 3 phones are "small" - I really don't want a semi-tablet sized telephone.
Hi,
Out of the three phones I would advice the Sony Z5 compact... it's an amazing and solid device .... By far the best out of the three. If you are reluctant because of the experience you had with the E1, relax ... it's totally different. On the very plus side, the development is quite alive for all Sony device and you will probably extend it's longer then the other ones.
If you find out that you can't get, because it cost double the price of the 2 others. I would recommend the Wiko ufeel.
One friend of mine have it and I played a bit with it. It's a solid device. Beautiful (yes it depends), smooth, fast. The screen is not that great (not to say poor). Main camera do a descent job, not outstanding. Battery life is average by my standards (better than my LG G3, worst then the OP2)
... But you will probably never have a custom ROM for it here on XDA. To get it rooted we spend more then 2 weeks ... finally got it rooted with some Russian forums (used G-translate to read).
I would never recommend a Samsung device ... never ever. BULL****.
Depending on you taste and budget, have a look to the OPPO A37 and Huawei P9 lite. I dont know which country you are in, but they should be available all over the world.
My rating:
1. Sony Z5 compact
2. Huawei P9 lite
3. OPPO A37
4. Wiko ufeel
5. A3 (2016)
Which one should i get? They're roughly the same price in my country. I need a phone for at least 2-3years.
Well depends what you want from your phone.
I see a lot of advantages on the OP6.
The SD845 overall performance seems to be better than the Kirin 970, you have the option of 255GB for internal storage, besides the software is less intrusive style wise but also functionality wise.
But, the Mate has better cameras, it's a Android Enterprise Recommended phone, that means that you will get at least one security patch every 90 days for 2 years at least and at least 1 major OS update.
Other hardware features are better water protection and USB 3.0.
That said OnePlus track record of updating isn't that bad, but there's no promises from their side.
And last but not least, if you have any desire to do stuff with custom roms, rooting, etc... You'll wanna go OnePlus.
oneplus updating is spectacular.
I have the 3T and The 5T and both are still updated at least twice a month.
If battery life is the main concern, then the Mate 10 Pro may well be the better bet. I can get consistent 6+ hours of Screen on Time and mostly a full day of hard usage. It's about the only thing keeping me from staying with my M10P though. I got a deal that means I will pay significantly less for it than an upfront OP6 too. It may well be that the Mate 10 Pro will drop further as we get towards the Mate 20 launch in October.
The camera is good, but tends to over do the processing when in auto mode. It does have one of the best Pro modes though if you like to fiddle.
If you do get a Mate 10 Pro, make sure its a C432 model or one of the ones that are regularly updated - my C782 model is still on March 1st security update and I have no confidence that will improve once the Mate 20 is out.
If you have any interest in custom ROMS after that 2 years when you still have perfectly functioning hardware, then OnePlus is almost certainly the way to go - it seems to be one of the few flagships left that has a very active ROM development and Huawei have now shot down any claim to interest in that by withdrawing bootloader unlock.
I 'upgraded' from a OnePlus One running an 8.1 custom ROM that had worked perfectly except for the poor battery life - until it fell in the toilet! (Actually a replacement speaker later and it's still working fine and on a later version of Android that my M10P). There will certainly be options to run the latest software on a OnePlus 6 in 3 years, whereas you will likely be out of luck with the Mate 10 Pro. The camera sucked on the OPO, but I gather it is at least acceptable on the OP6
Software may not be a key concern - actually I can live with EMUI and it has some nice extra 'assistance' touches, but it also has flaky bluetooth in my experience and the over eager power management drives me crazy trying to use things like Tasker.
tl;dr - If you need the battery, go with Mate 10 Pro - if you don't care about the best camera possible, or ever want to go the custom rom route, go with OP6.
One plus 6 hands down, save your self the head ache of Huawei
340 $ for Mate 10 Pro
550 $ for Oneplus 6
Witch one would you choose?
Lilholt1962 said:
340 $ for Mate 10 Pro
550 $ for Oneplus 6
Witch one would you choose?
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Mate 10 pro atw
Lilholt1962 said:
340 $ for Mate 10 Pro
550 $ for Oneplus 6
Witch one would you choose?
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For a price difference like that Mate 10 pro
didnt use OPO but did use xiaomi mi note 2 phone and now bought mate 10 pro, I also didnt know and have second thoughts about buying OPO 6 or M10pro. so at the end bought M10pro and so far can say the phone is ok but considering rooting installing TWRP and custom roms seems to be little complicated because, after reading xda, bunch of people have bricked they device. now I like to have rooted phone and installed custom rom, lineage os or Aosp extended, but that is not gona happen on this phone so if you like to have rooted phone and have custom roms buy OPO6 definitely, its not everyting in camera. PS emui is quite lagy some times and still needs improvement.
if it matters... the op5t has bluetooth issues with fitbit, not sure if op6 changed but likely issues remain
not sure if fitbit would make a difference, but who knows what other devices may or may not work well. op5t also has issues with car bluetooth, mate10 has none of the issues with the two devices.
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well depends what you want from your phone.
I see a lot of advantages on the op6.
The sd845 overall performance seems to be better than the kirin 970, you have the option of 255gb for internal storage, besides the software is less intrusive style wise but also functionality wise.
But, the mate has better cameras, it's a android enterprise recommended phone, that means that you will get at least one security patch every 90 days for 2 years at least and at least 1 major os update.
Other hardware features are better water protection and usb 3.0.
That said oneplus track record of updating isn't that bad, but there's no promises from their side.
And last but not least, if you have any desire to do stuff with custom roms, rooting, etc... You'll wanna go oneplus.
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usb3.1 iirc
I also bought the mate10pro, big mistake! It was on a pre 8.0.0.146 version with magisk and twrp running fine. Installed xposed, got a bootloop, did a erecovery rescue to factory emui 8, after that applied the latest ota to emui 9 which was the worst thing to do. Got the new bootloader and because the original was unlocked the phone bricked. Back to erecovery and no rescue... tried everything but no luck, so now it's worthless. It may have a very niche leica camera but that won't do any good if you can't recovery the phone. Huawei sucks in every way, just look at how they killed any development other than their own.
So now I ordered the OP 6 which has a very shiny development community, I won't have any worries about being stuck with another paperweight, and if I want a good camera I'll pickup my nikon fullframe dslr, no phone beats that.
I wouldnt go with Huawei if you rely on mods. No real custom rom beside openkirin. No real custom kernel. V4A not working, Dolby Atmos works only on oreo based custom roms. You dont get unlock code from Huawei anymore. You can grab your unlock code via paid services. Alone, when the partition oeminfo gets damaged and your bootloader is locked, your unlock code will not work, erecovery will not work etc DC could fix such bricks but now after the .b145 c432 firmware, they patched it. After B146 you cant downgrade. No real/outdated kernel sources. I recommend this device only for normal conusmers, who dont intend to root this phone. I left Samsung because of adding the knox warranty void string, now leaving Huawei because of the reason I told above.
Oneplus phones have very high SAR values... Be careful
Mate 10 (non-pro) would really last you 2-3yrs because amoled burn (it really is an issue) wouldn't affect you.
I have a mate 10 (non pro) I am trying to sell. Mint condition with the fancy smart flip case. I have a note 9 now so don't need it. Currently has an armorsuit clear skin on it.
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mirandam said:
I also bought the mate10pro, big mistake! It was on a pre 8.0.0.146 version with magisk and twrp running fine. Installed xposed, got a bootloop, did a erecovery rescue to factory emui 8, after that applied the latest ota to emui 9 which was the worst thing to do. Got the new bootloader and because the original was unlocked the phone bricked. Back to erecovery and no rescue... tried everything but no luck, so now it's worthless. It may have a very niche leica camera but that won't do any good if you can't recovery the phone. Huawei sucks in every way, just look at how they killed any development other than their own.
So now I ordered the OP 6 which has a very shiny development community, I won't have any worries about being stuck with another paperweight, and if I want a good camera I'll pickup my nikon fullframe dslr, no phone beats that.
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are you lucky with your decision? I have a Mate 10 Pro and want to get a 1+6 or 1+6t and some personal feedback (accu for example) would be great.
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are you lucky with your decision? I have a Mate 10 Pro and want to get a 1+6 or 1+6t and some personal feedback (accu for example) would be great.
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Some years later, a reply. YES, I went to OP6 (I still have it working) and later to OP7pro (also still working) and now I'm on OP8 with AICP17.1 (android 12) fully loaded, rooted all working perfectly. Never regretted the change to OnePlus, excellent value for money and excellent support community, very recommendable for custom roms etc. If ever you brick it (happend a few times to me) you get your MSMtool out and bring it back to life in no time.
btw, my mate10pro was still within guarantee, so I sent it back to the seller, took a few months because they tried to recover it, didn't work and I got a full refund.
I need to buy a phone soon. Wife cracked her screen and I will be giving her my mate 9 that I've been pretty happy with.
So I'm looking to buy either a mate 10 pro which is $470 on Amazon or the new OP6T. I've tried both of them out and the 6T is looking very sexy and modern but I reckon that feeling will wear off in a few days. I feel like the 10 pro may have better battery and camera.
Which bring me to my criteria. I need dual sim, good battery and camera and I don't root etc and don't have a problem with Emui.
Thoughts?
Mate 10 Pro have a better camera and better battery.
OP6T looks very good ..
In my opinion (I rooting all my phones).. I don't buy Huawei phone because has removed the community due to blocking access to the bootloader
OP 6T if you don't mind the battery. There's the Google Camera port for the OP 6T plus it supports 4K EIS for video recording. Also the 845 is better than the kirin 970
Well the 6T has an iffy fingerprint reader, the camera sucks (and it's not just the software) and just installing a port of the Google camera doesn't fix that. As far as the CPU goes, that's kind of subjective, the Kirin 970 is a very capable processor. The Kirin 970 has their advanced modem and will give you very good LTE speeds (I'm getting between 45 to 90mbps versus 18 to 24mbps with my mate 9) For a dual SIM phone I would really go with the mate 10 pro BLA-L29 international model, just remember that if you're in the US it won't have any warranty
I like the normal mate 10 over the mate 10 pro. Has headphone jack and front finger print sensor that acts as the 3 buttons too
Granted I don't have a pro version to compare against except on paper specs...
Appreciate the answers. The more I want to get the OP6T the more the 10 pro is looking better. Did the 10 pro dual sim version get the P20 pro night mode? If it did is it as good?
stay away from huawei after closed unlock bootloader service, and also there's no supporting for it,, and if you insist on mate 10 pro stay with Chinese version they have all support for OTA update.
OnePlus 6T is better with SD845 you'll have a lot of supporting from Developers, rom's, kernels, tweaks,, a lots of things.
i bought mate 10, 128G and 6Gb ram and i hate it after fkng huawei closed unlock service.
hamadazh said:
stay away from huawei after closed unlock bootloader service, and also there's no supporting for it,, and if you incest on mate 10 pro stay with Chinese version they have all support for OTA update.
OnePlus 6T is better with SD845 you'll have a lot of supporting from Developers, rom's, kernels, tweaks,, a lots of things.
i bought mate 10, 128G and 6Gb ram and i hate it after fkng huawei closed unlock service.
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Why do you assume everyone cares if the bootloader is locked?
IMO the mate 10 pro has better battery life, better camera, and is waterproof (plus I actually like EMUI and its features)
I have the mate 10 pro, battery is very good, but the most you get with pro mode and playing around with many settings... It's not the easy quick perfect picture camera. It has received many updates and it's camera is very capable (night mode of course is not as good as p20pro, it's got different sensors)
The op6t camera is very good. Some people here said it's trash but they are talking Bs. Just take a look for yourself and Google samples from op6 or 6t users. It's a great camera.
But I would go with the op6t any day. The kirin 970 is good on paper and benchmarks but it overheats very fast, I cannot play pubg on lowest settings after 10min it thermothrottles and fps drop. The op6t just has the newer gen CPU which will be important going forward if you are going to keep the phone for 3+ years.
The op6t battery is very similar in size I don't think the difference should be too big to be a deciding factor. Both have fast face unlock though the fingerprint reader ist different. Decide what you like better.
All in all I think op6t is the more up to date phone which will also receive more updates and has better hardware for the upcoming 3years of use. The m10pro is more like the old, strong buddy that can still keep up. But the question is for how long.
I've been using the mate 10 Pro for nearly a year. Mine is running June security update and no software update for 5 months.
I'm selling my mate 10 Pro and buying the OnePlus 6t this week.
I've had enough of Huawei lack of support and updates.
I wouldn't buy Huawei again.
I've been using a regular mate 10 for a year and mine stays up to date. I don't use anything special, the updates just come over the air. It seems some people don't get updates but both my mate 9 and 10 keep getting updates.
What update you are looking for? Mate 10 Pro has all security patches. If you are talking about Android 8.1 it is not that major update and maybe that is why only China models received it. The next Major Android 9 will soon be available and that's what matters.
UK version C782 are still on June security patch and 132. We are 6 months behind with bug fixing updates improvements and most important security! We have been left behind in the UK and that is why we are all jumping ship
10 pro. I already had oneplus devices, and didn't like them as much as I did with the Huawei ones. Imo, the build quality is far better. It's on par with Apple. The camera is fantastic. The battery is a major goal. At first, I was having problems to get use with EMUI, in the end I passed to like it. It's not as good as oxygen os, but it's have been improving. So, I'll keep my 10 pro for more 6 months or a year.
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[...] The kirin 970 is good on paper and benchmarks but it overheats very fast, I cannot play pubg on lowest settings after 10min it thermothrottles and fps drop. The op6t just has the newer gen CPU which will be important going forward if you are going to keep the phone for 3+ years. [...]
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Hu, something's wrong with your device. I play PUBG on higher setting everyday with coworkers at lunch, and I can play at least 30 minutes (since pause are not longer than that) consuming only 13% battery (not from 100%) and getting a 30-35°C that is not so hot, comparing to iPhone 8S that drain twice as much and can be barely kept in hand for the same lenght of time. Maybe some phone are better, but well, mate 10 pro is really good a handling games. My nintendo switch got hotter than that...
That said, I do not like the overhsarpening/oil-ing effect of the camera, so, even mid-tier camera are better for me, I would not go for the mate 10 for the camera.
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UK version C782 are still on June security patch and 132. We are 6 months behind with bug fixing updates improvements and most important security! We have been left behind in the UK and that is why we are all jumping ship
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I'm not, albeit I've rebranded to c432. I had an OP3 and came to Huawei primarily for the battery life, and here the Mate 10 pro still has nearly 10% bigger battery.
tmzbeme said:
Why do you assume everyone cares if the bootloader is locked?
IMO the mate 10 pro has better battery life, better camera, and is waterproof (plus I actually like EMUI and its features)
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as you like,, and you already like it!! and it's just opinion :good: no one force you to not buying it,, for me i like that things like unlocked bootloader and root and play in system and change rom's etc,, and i wish to replace my mate 10 with OnePlust 6t,, or other brand.
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Anything but Huawei. With a custom ROM things are okay, but relying on Huawei to update? Yes, they currently still treat this device as a flagship. But my other phone, a P10 Plus already lagging behind. Luckily I do have the bootloader unlocked on that device, so that's a relief.
If I had to do a comparison, Huawei updates are like Samsung. Be glad if you ever get them. Is OnePlus that great? Nope. Fingerprint sucks, camera sucks, battery sucks, warranty is the worst out of any manufacturer.
What to buy? Great question!
Been struggling with the same problem. There is just no choice on the market without compromise. Huawei had it all with the large battery, best of the best inside, but they decided to flip off customers and disallow the bootloader unlock.
Rip. I would probably buy a OnePlus 5T, Poco F1 (has no NFC and some screens have touch issues).
Hi folks I just shattered the screen of my Redmi Note 3 SD version (RN3). I had this phone since early 2016 and though it's still working and I could prolly do a service job on it for $50 and extend its life to a year or so I feel sticking to this phone any further wouldn't be to my advantage.
So I'm in the market for a new phone and I would really love to hear your precious advise so I may get the best available option for my hard earned bucks.
My budget is around $350. I'm not a brand fan boi, I don't mind going for unknown brands if the build quality is there. B/C with a good build quality you can get the best out of your phone under XDA. So when I go for a smartphone the features I pay attention to are:
1-If the phone can handle recent games. If a phone can handle recent games odds are high that it will perform well in everyday life.
2-It must have a great community under XDA so that if the manufacturers aren't arsed to push updates, you can still get the best out of your phone by for e.g flashing a custom rom or the Google cam or flash the latest security patch and so on.
3-The camera specs should be good (not expecting pixel3 stuffs or p30 results), but should be able to take good shots when I go on road trips.
Having said that, phones that have caught my eye so far are the Huawei Y9(2019 version) and the Xiaomi Poco Phone F1. So what do you lads think!
The Huawei Y9 is out as per your stated requirements as they don't even allow bootloader unlocking. There might be unofficial methods. Poco F1 looks to be the best choice but I don't know if the initial issues like backlight bleeding, touch latency etc have been fixed. Redmi Note 7 Pro is another decent option but the price difference between its 6GB model and Poco F1 base variant is too little. Realme has opened up BL unlocking but the pace of development doesn't seem very encouraging. Otherwise the Realme 3 Pro appears to pack solid hardware. Dunno when the Poco F2 will be launched.
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The Huawei Y9 is out as per your stated requirements as they don't even allow bootloader unlocking. There might be unofficial methods. Poco F1 looks to be the best choice but I don't know if the initial issues like backlight bleeding, touch latency etc have been fixed. Redmi Note 7 Pro but the price difference between its 6GB model and Poco F1 base variant is too little. Realme has opened up BL unlocking but the pace of development doesn't seem very encouraging. Otherwise the Realme 3 Pro appears to pack solid hardware. Dunno when the Poco F2 will be launched.
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Thanks for input. I though pretty much the same Poco F1 would be the best option!
SpawnX1200 said:
Hi folks I just shattered the screen of my Redmi Note 3 SD version (RN3). I had this phone since early 2016 and though it's still working and I could prolly do a service job on it for $50 and extend its life to a year or so I feel sticking to this phone any further wouldn't be to my advantage.
So I'm in the market for a new phone and I would really love to hear your precious advise so I may get the best available option for my hard earned bucks.
My budget is around $350. I'm not a brand fan boi, I don't mind going for unknown brands if the build quality is there. B/C with a good build quality you can get the best out of your phone under XDA. So when I go for a smartphone the features I pay attention to are:
1-If the phone can handle recent games. If a phone can handle recent games odds are high that it will perform well in everyday life.
2-It must have a great community under XDA so that if the manufacturers aren't arsed to push updates, you can still get the best out of your phone by for e.g flashing a custom rom or the Google cam or flash the latest security patch and so on.
3-The camera specs should be good (not expecting pixel3 stuffs or p30 results), but should be able to take good shots when I go on road trips.
Having said that, phones that have caught my eye so far are the Huawei Y9(2019 version) and the Xiaomi Poco Phone F1. So what do you lads think!
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Wait for Mi A3 . not sure its launching date. it is android one device. Bootloader unlocking is very easy for android one phone.
Updates will given by google and not xiaomi. Also u will get 3 android updates. Spec will be same like rn7 pro.
Or buy rn7 pro. It has QC 4.0 charging and 4000mah battery.
From Kenzo, I used Tissot which is Mi A1 and now lavender which is Redmi Note 7.
Redmi Note 7 aka lavender as of now has very minimal development going on based on xda threads available. But the good thing is that it supports treble so gsi will provide you with a lot of custom rom and me myself is using a GSI now. Violet aka Note 7 Pro on the other hand has a better development than lavender. It has great camera too considering you are using gcam to full utilize the camera and also lavender's camera is Greta as well but not as good as violet. Lavender has Snapdragon 660 and violet has Snapdragon 675.
I have been thinking about buying a Lenovo Legion y70, and the truth is that I have several questions.
The first is that if the cell phone allows the transmission of screen and sound in the discord?
Also, what is more recommended? Buy a version with the global rom installed on aliexpress, or buy it new and sealed and install it myself?
And also how is the experience with this cell phone? Is it recommended or are there better options?
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I have been thinking about buying a Lenovo Legion y70, and the truth is that I have several questions.
[1.] The first is that if the cell phone allows the transmission of screen and sound in the discord?
[2.] Also, what is more recommended? Buy a version with the global rom installed on aliexpress, or buy it new and sealed and install it myself?
[3.] And also how is the experience with this cell phone? Is it recommended or are there better options?
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1. Yeah why wouldn't it? You can do this on any android phone.
2. There is no global rom version. Some sellers off to install google play for you since it doesn't come with it. Either option is fine, but if you don't know how to do it and are going to have trouble figuring it out, having the seller do it will be more convenient, but otherwise it's not too hard to do. Keep in mind you are still using the CN rom, which while it does have English, and other languages, will still have the typical chinese rom bloat.
3. Mine hasn't arrived yet so I cant speak from experience, but if your budget isn't more than 300ish USD, you won't find anything with better hardware. However, this doesn't make it the best option, unless you don't mind being stuck on the chinese rom with no future updates. I think its worth spending the extra for a phone with a good global rom, especially if your carrier is supported (a lot of the alternative options didn't support my carrier), but I personally couldn't afford it which is why I've purchased one of these. If your carrier supports it, I think the Realme GT Neo 5 SE, and Xiaomi Redmi Note 12 Turbo are better options. They cost around 330-340 USD, have similar performance, better body weight/size, and much better software. Only thing they're really missing is dc dimming, and good frequency bands/carrier support.
I have a discord server for Legion Y70 information, and discussion here https://discord.gg/r5VMszTGVr, look in the #interested-buyers channel for more info.