I just want to share what and why I did it. First off I did not have problems with my wifi on 4.2.2 with the Nexus10. the second that I went to Slim Kat and Vanir 4.4.2 I had weak wifi signal at work and at home when my nexus 7 slim kat and my galaxy note 2 Vanir did not. I noticed that RAM was also weird on the nexus 10. Even though it showed 2gb of ram on the specs it was only showing 1099 on 4.4.2 when I show that I have 1647 ram available with 4.2.2.
Concerning the OS using Ram. Google said that they would make Kit Kat more RAM friendly but I was using 535mb of RAM for 4.4.2 and right now I am showing only 357.3 mb for 4.2.2. I am using the same apps launchers and screen savers.
I just flashed back to 4.2.2 this morning so I will update later, I do see an improvement in the wifi though.
I just want to say that I love Slimkat and that is why I am on the 4.2.2 I just think Google somehow hosed up the wifi on the Nexus 10.
I have one question with all this. Is the wifi and Ram usage Kernel related?
Joe
jfed said:
I just want to share what and why I did it. First off I did not have problems with my wifi on 4.2.2 with the Nexus10. the second that I went to Slim Kat and Vanir 4.4.2 I had weak wifi signal at work and at home when my nexus 7 slim kat and my galaxy note 2 Vanir did not. I noticed that RAM was also weird on the nexus 10. Even though it showed 2gb of ram on the specs it was only showing 1099 on 4.4.2 when I show that I have 1647 ram available with 4.2.2.
Concerning the OS using Ram. Google said that they would make Kit Kat more RAM friendly but I was using 535mb of RAM for 4.4.2 and right now I am showing only 357.3 mb for 4.2.2. I am using the same apps launchers and screen savers.
I just flashed back to 4.2.2 this morning so I will update later, I do see an improvement in the wifi though.
I just want to say that I love Slim Kat and that is why I am on the 4.2.2 I just think Google somehow hosed up the wifi on the Nexus 10.
I have one question with all this. Is the wifi and Ram usage Kernel related?
Joe
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
B][/B] Ok so I am at work and have went back and forth between 4.4.2 and 4.2.2. the 4.4.2 connects and disconnects back and forth. When it does connect to router but it says poor connection and it is only 24mbps. "It drops way more than connected" I am 45 ft from router in an open environment.
The 4.2.2 Slim Kat has a fair connection with 78 Mbps and has not dropped once. So I don't know what the difference is with Kit Kat compared to Jelly Bean but for my nexus 10 my wifi is great now with Jelly Bean. I wish I could figure out why and fix but I do not know programming.
Have you tried to untick the "WiFi optimization" box in advanced WiFi settings? To me this seemed to improve the connectivity.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk
Yes I did do that and it just helped a little. I have been back on slimbean 4.2.2 for over a day now and my WiFi is great. Also I do not have any of the bugs that kit kat has . I have not had any fc or dropped WiFi. The tablet is perfect.
Sent from my Nexus 10 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
Hi,
If the 4.2.2 suits well your needs then there's no need to complain at all . I have no idea about the WiFi problem, sorry... I always use my WiFi close to the router, so I don't have problems. But I can explain you the RAM thing in KitKat.
Like you already know the Nexus 10 powers up a huge resolution display, and the graphics processor is not really able to keep up with it all alone, so Google allocated some of Nexus 10 RAM to the GPU. The update brings some new stuff, therefore requires more power and as such it will probably need more GPU power as well, and that's why you see less RAM. I will share here how I tested each update based on graphical performance:
I picked up an anime episode that I had in MKV, FullHD, FLAC audio, blah blah blah... In other words, very heavy stuff. Downloaded MX Player on both my S4 and my Nexus 10. Let's start the tests now:
First Test:
Both running 4.2.2 - The video was very laggy in both devices, in S4 it was completely unwatchable. On Nexus 10 you could watch it, but it was very unpleasant.
Second Test:
Both running 4.3 - The video got a little better on S4, you could watch it, but some parts were uncomfortable and really laggy. Nexus 10 got an amazing improvement (that's when Google started to allocate RAM to the GPU), you could watch it almost flawlessly, the only problem was skipping some parts and one particular scene.
Third Test:
My S4 broke, and now I'm with a Xperia Z1. Xperia Z1 and Nexus 10 running KitKat - Xperia Z1 performance was perfect, no lag at all, all scenes watchable and no problems rewind and fast forwarding the video, Snapdragon 800 has an amazing GPU indeed. Nexus 10, being one year older than Z1 with a older processor and way more pixels had a similar performance, was way better than on 4.3, the problem was with rewinding and fast forwarding, other than that was perfectly fine.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So, if you don't use your tablet for heavy videos and such, you can stay in older versions with no problems . I just think it is good to share this small experiment I did to clarify why your RAM "disappeared" suddenly on KitKat .
~Lord
Thanks I can understand now why they use the ram. I want to be back on slimkat or any kat but not while the WiFi is so bad. I watch regular videos nothing heavy. I take my tablet everywhere and get free WiFi and I had problems with connecting to those places if they had a weak signal. Since going back to slimkat 4.2.2 I have had no issues.
I hope Google fixes this issue. I would like to be back with kitkat
Sent from my Nexus 10 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
I've been running latest version of purity rom without wifi issues and its running stock kikat kernel
Sent from my Nexus 10 using XDA Premium HD app
jfed said:
Thanks I can understand now why they use the ram. I want to be back on slimkat or any kat but not while the WiFi is so bad. I watch regular videos nothing heavy. I take my tablet everywhere and get free WiFi and I had problems with connecting to those places if they had a weak signal. Since going back to slimkat 4.2.2 I have had no issues.
I hope Google fixes this issue. I would like to be back with kitkat
Sent from my Nexus 10 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hey, so i've been checking solutions for days. I'm gonna assume you're still using 4.2.2 and still haven't found a solution for the WiFi issues of 4.4.2. I unfortunately updated my Nexus 10 without knowing the consequence. My symptoms seem worse than yours. Not only will my internet drop, but i can't ever get into the play store and youtube will only half-load its own pages and videos.
Anyways...what i need to know is your method for reverting back to 4.2.2. I've downloaded the IMG (.TGZ) file straight from google as i'm sure you have but i can't find how to flash the file onto the tablet without rooting the thing (which in turn voids your auto-updates with google (so i heard)). i found a video of a guy using a program called "wugfresh nexus toolkit" but a lot of people trust Odin to do this. I guess i just need the step-by-step process for this specific device using either of the programs.
Last question: why didn't you downgrade to 4.3 instead of going to 4.2.2. Was there a problem with that OS as well?
Thanks for your help.
dontfcuk said:
Hey, so i've been checking solutions for days. I'm gonna assume you're still using 4.2.2 and still haven't found a solution for the WiFi issues of 4.4.2. I unfortunately updated my Nexus 10 without knowing the consequence. My symptoms seem worse than yours. Not only will my internet drop, but i can't ever get into the play store and youtube will only half-load its own pages and videos.
Anyways...what i need to know is your method for reverting back to 4.2.2. I've downloaded the IMG (.TGZ) file straight from google as i'm sure you have but i can't find how to flash the file onto the tablet without rooting the thing (which in turn voids your auto-updates with google (so i heard)). i found a video of a guy using a program called "wugfresh nexus toolkit" but a lot of people trust Odin to do this. I guess i just need the step-by-step process for this specific device using either of the programs.
Last question: why didn't you downgrade to 4.3 instead of going to 4.2.2. Was there a problem with that OS as well?
Thanks for your help.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi,
If I'm not wrong you can find how to restore stock on the Manta Help Thread! Please check there for further reference .
As for last question I don't know, you should try for yourself . As you said the symptoms in your case were worse, so what's better than checking for yourself other versions?
~Lord
"All I ever needed was a little piece of hope" - World of Fantasy (Helloween)
Sent from my Xperia Z1
XxLordxX said:
Hi,
If I'm not wrong you can find how to restore stock on the Manta Help Thread! Please check there for further reference .
As for last question I don't know, you should try for yourself . As you said the symptoms in your case were worse, so what's better than checking for yourself other versions?
~Lord
"All I ever needed was a little piece of hope" - World of Fantasy (Helloween)
Sent from my Xperia Z1
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Would it be possible for you to send me a link to that thread please. I'm typing in manta in xda and coming up with various results but i'm looking for specifically the one you're referring to. I'm trying to get this done by the end of the night lol.
thanks
dontfcuk said:
Would it be possible for you to send me a link to that thread please. I'm typing in manta in xda and coming up with various results but i'm looking for specifically the one you're referring to. I'm trying to get this done by the end of the night lol.
thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi,
Here it is mate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2670400
Nexus 10 (Manta) Help Thread - Ask Your Questions Here!
If you can't get it, post something in the thread and I may help further .
~Lord
"Time is too short to cry, long enough to try." - March of Time (Helloween)
Sent from my KitKat Nexus 10
sorry to just get back to this thread. I am still using 4.2.2 I even went further and went totally stock so I can use the history channel app and brighthouse networks app. I use Wugs nexus kit and it walks you through all of it. Ever since I went back to 4.2.2 I have had no problems connecting to old wifi systems that my 10 could not connect to on 4.4.2. I am patiently waiting on the google fix for update 4.4.3
http://www.wugfresh.com/nrt/
Joe F.
jfed said:
sorry to just get back to this thread. I am still using 4.2.2 I even went further and went totally stock so I can use the history channel app and brighthouse networks app. I use Wugs nexus kit and it walks you through all of it. Ever since I went back to 4.2.2 I have had no problems connecting to old wifi systems that my 10 could not connect to on 4.4.2. I am patiently waiting on the google fix for update 4.4.3
http://www.wugfresh.com/nrt/
Joe F.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Excellent, thank you for your answer. That's what i was looking for. Flashed my new stock OS and it works like a charm! thank you very much!
I'm convinced the wifi issue will never be fixed.. Unless you're humping the router it's crap... Get down to 1-2bars of strength and its hit or miss if you'll get data throughput.. I've tried everything from changing wifi channels, switching only to WPA2 AES, disabling wifi optimization. It's just terrible still. This tablet has been a dud.. Between the ever changing RAM allocation to take more and more away from the user, the never fixed random reboots, and terrible Wifi... I'm probably never touching a Nexus tablet again.
I am using Nexus root tool kit. I download that program select the 4.4.2 as current program then selected the operating system that I wanted to go back to stock with. The link is :
http://www.wugfresh.com/nrt/
I went back to 4.3 and it's much better than kit kat, IMO.
I updated to 4.4.2. but had Wi-Fi issues where it would show that I was connected to Wi-Fi but could not actually access the internet and the only way to fix it was to toggle airplane mode on and off. It could happen as much as once every 15 minutes. Went back to 4.3 and no problems. When 4.4.3 came out I hoped the bug would be fixed but it wasn't so I downgraded again. Again no problems. When 4.4.4 came out I tried it out but in addition to the Wi-Fi issues I had frequent hard freezes where the tablet was completely unresponsive and had to hold down the power button to turn it off. These updates keep getting worse and worse. Back on 4.3 and think I'll stay here for a while. Only issue I've had is slight screen flicker, but I just turn off auto brightness and that fixes the problem.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Free mobile app
I have also went back to 4.2.2 for now. Device is just as responsive as 4.4 for me and battery life is much better.
I'm not going to lie...I accidentally flashed 4.2.2 and thought "wow this is a big improvement" thinking it was 4.4.2. The device is just so much more fluid. What are the barriers to the N10 responding like my N5?
Yeah I remember when I first got my N10 running 4.2, it was far faster, then 4.3 came and turned everything into ****, KK has been aan experience nearly as good as 4.2, save for the WiFi drops as they happen from time to time, I blamed it on my kernel as my sister's stock N10 doesn't exhibit these problems.
Anyways, I'm now running KK + ART + F2FS and lowered my resolution to 1200p as games have become more taxing and it's faster than ever before, battery could be improved but I blame that entirely on the screen.
Or will it ever get better ?
I switched from IPhone to Android back in 2013 when Samsung announced the Gakaxy S4. My opinions were mixed and i kept switching back and forth between the iPhone and the S4. I decided to switch to the S4 as my daily driver and since then i never looked back. I kept on upgrading every time to the latest flagship Note 3, Tab S 8.0, and now my Note 4 & Tab S2.
I noticed that android improved a lot in such a short time, but in some areas it remained the same. All of my devices not as smooth as my old iPhone in scrolling specially in websites that contains ads. I tried my best to fix this issue and tried other devices but it seems that Android is plagued with this issue on play store, chrome and many others. It seems like the developers can't hit the right spot in coding.
I tried to look for an answer but most of the info i found pointing to the problem that only Google can fix. Some say that UI rendering is not getting the priority in the process some other they say its because Apple optimize its ios on their phones and other say its because Android coding is hard compared to ios.
Will we ever see Android as smooth as Ios ? The question is going in my mind for a long time and the only reason I'm still with Android is because i love the filixablity that it offers to the user despite the other issues that we face with scrolling and surfing websites.
Would love to hear your opinion and if you have something to share.
Regards
Yathani
Sent from my SM-T815 using Tapatalk
I love this phone so far, and I actually think the camera app is good, but I love my brother's pixel camera app. Is there a generic APK that would work on this or would it have to be built specifically for this phone? I am coming from a Moto G5 plus, so this camera is night and day better.
I stopped buying nice phones, because of the work I do, I break the screen or the battery life degrades to the point I need a new phone every year, and I don't like paying a lot of money for phones. I use my phone for internet, email, a handful of news apps and a camera.
Thanks in advance.
Yes go to the Nokia 7 plus forum, there's a thread which will let you know the 3 you can install 2 are based on 6.1 and 1 on 5.3.. They all work great, it all depends on the quality your looking for.. I myself am running the latest MGC release and arnova 5.3 beta 2..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...7-plus-google-camera-hdr-zsl-t3775956/page120
I am using V8.3build-5.1.018.177624777 and its a really nice app. I am looking forward to a stable 6.version with night vision (or whatever its called).
I got this one working on a 7.1. GCam-5.1.018-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.3b1. I didn't really get to evaluate picture quality but the app worked. A couple of others I had tried either wouldn't open or froze.
Hi!
I'm currently using Mi A1 but thinking about upgrading to Nokia 7.1. I really exited about this phone and like everything about it on paper.
However in a lot of reviews people are complaining about regular lags while scrolling through UI, opening Google Now, notification drawer etc. Many also complaining that apps take long to load and that they even crash sometimes.
Can some of you, real device users please confirm or deny, whether you experience some or all of these things? And how you satisfied with user experience on this device overall?
Thanks.
qd42 said:
Hi!
I'm currently using Mi A1 but thinking about upgrading to Nokia 7.1. I really exited about this phone and like everything about it on paper.
However in a lot of reviews people are complaining about regular lags while scrolling through UI, opening Google Now, notification drawer etc. Many also complaining that apps take long to load and that they even crash sometimes.
Can some of you, real device users please confirm or deny, whether you experience some or all of these things? And how you satisfied with user experience on this device overall?
Thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I too upgraded from a Mi A1 to this. It has no problems connecting to LTE and staying connected unlike the A1. I replaced the default launcher with Nova Launcher and I'd say it's not super noticeable but I'd say it's faster overall. There's an OTA out that pushes the October security patch and likely some software improvements. With Pie likely coming before the end of the month, I'm satisfied. If you get it, buy a case too - believe me. It's thinner width wise and slippery.
fatesealer said:
I too upgraded from a Mi A1 to this. It has no problems connecting to LTE and staying connected unlike the A1. I replaced the default launcher with Nova Launcher and I'd say it's not super noticeable but I'd say it's faster overall. There's an OTA out that pushes the October security patch and likely some software improvements. With Pie likely coming before the end of the month, I'm satisfied. If you get it, buy a case too - believe me. It's thinner width wise and slippery.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you for the answer! What do you think about camera quality on Nokia 7.1 compared to Mi A1?
qd42 said:
Thank you for the answer! What do you think about camera quality on Nokia 7.1 compared to Mi A1?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Pictures tend to be slightly better on the Nokia 7.1 but camera quality varies by person. One person could see a stunning photo and another says it's subpar. I would love a port of the Pixel 3 camera here.
Smooth experience here, but I'm not the sensitive type that bugs out over 2 vs 4 seconds to open an app.
Camera is way ahead of the Essential.
Great device overall.
fatesealer said:
Pictures tend to be slightly better on the Nokia 7.1 but camera quality varies by person. One person could see a stunning photo and another says it's subpar. I would love a port of the Pixel 3 camera here.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There's plenty of pixel 3xl gcam
ports, check out the 7 plus thread. Picture quality is amazing with the port..
Anyone know of a Google Cam version that doesn't have this annoying red/brown tint. Often the pictures come out really over 'warm'.
Here are some examples of what I mean:
(See attachments)
Picture straight out of Gcam
And then edited to what it should really look like
Anyone else noticed this problem?
I can't tell if it's purely Gcam or if it exists in all images from the camera and that it's just that Gcam exacerbates it.
Any settings anywhere or Camera apps that allow tweaking of tint settings and hdr etc?
Cheers
I think gcam oversaturates the image I've noticed it on my pixel 4 xl daily driver.
ROMSG said:
I think gcam oversaturates the image I've noticed it on my pixel 4 xl daily driver.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It does a bit, but on the G5 it seems to result in this weird brown/red tint to everything.
When I used it on my Nexus 6P it gave incredible photos.
I've started playing with Snap Camera HDR a bit more recently. This app is brilliant and is usually my go-to camera app, but Is been struggling to get good results with it on the G5.
However, I've recently dedicated some more time to fiddling with the settings and think I've now found some that get great results.
I'll post my settings when I get a chance.
tooplanx said:
It does a bit, but on the G5 it seems to result in this weird brown/red tint to everything.
When I used it on my Nexus 6P it gave incredible photos.
I've started playing with Snap Camera HDR a bit more recently. This app is brilliant and is usually my go-to camera app, but Is been struggling to get good results with it on the G5.
However, I've recently dedicated some more time to fiddling with the settings and think I've now found some that get great results.
I'll post my settings when I get a chance.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Please do, thanks.
Sent from my LG-H850 using XDA Labs