Sorry if I breaking forum rules but I can't post on "Android Pay" thread. It says I haven't entered image verification????
Anyway....
Have Some BAD NEWS!!! on this subject guys.
Have been emailing customer services over the last few weeks, to try to resolve the problem that is Android Pay. Had an email back at the beginning of the month saying and I quote
"Hello friend,
We haven't got answers from our technician.They are still working on it.Pls wait for more days.
Best Regards,
Lynn
Team Elephone"
Been on Holiday and haven't had time to chase it up until lately. Not some days, but 3 weeks have passed and 2 software updates. I emailed customer services again for an update as I hadn't heard anything. Again got an email from Lynn and here is her email response
"Hello friend,
Sorry to tellyou that the problem can't be solved so far.
P9000 doesn't support Android Pay.
Best regards,
Lynn
Team Elephone"
No resolution, so its up to you guys now to continue to spread the word for Elephone's customers services and technical support as it's useless to me. I will sell it and get something else that works fully. I bought this device with good will. As it was one of the few devices with NFC around that price range. Stupidly I thought Android Pay would just work!!! Clearly not. Lesson learnt!!!
This is the same response I posted on the Elephone forum BTW
It's not up to Elephone to make it work, it's up to Google.
They need to have a signed, certified, and approved by banks OS to make it work.
So basically Android Pay will only work on Nexus, HTC, Samsung and LG phones. All major manufacturers. It doesn't even work on OnePlus phones, as it runs Cyanogenmod.
Also, your phone has to have a locked bootloader, stock recovery and has to be unrooted for AndroidPay to work.
It's a ridiculous requirement that makes 80% of Android phones not compatible. Read the comments on Google Play, you will see the disappointment.
Google says they will try to negotiate with the banks to require fewer security measurements, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Again. Not Elephone's fault. Not up to them.
Nonsense!!!!! OnePlus 3 comes with Android Pay pre-installed. So an uninformed thing to say. My handset has a locked bootloader, stock recovery and is unrooted. It also works with various banking apps So YES!!! it is down to Elephone to sort the certification out. This is the response I got from Google themselves:-
"Hi , Unfortunately, the Elephone P9000 is running test-keys that were not registered with Android's Compatibility Test Suite. Until the manufacturer resolves this, all users on Elephone P9000 devices will be unable to use Android Pay. Please feel free to contact the manufacturer to ask about their plans for enabling you to get setup.
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It's not up to Elephone to make it work, it's up to Google.
They need to have a signed, certified, and approved by banks OS to make it work.
So basically Android Pay will only work on Nexus, HTC, Samsung and LG phones. All major manufacturers. It doesn't even work on OnePlus phones, as it runs Cyanogenmod.
Also, your phone has to have a locked bootloader, stock recovery and has to be unrooted for AndroidPay to work.
It's a ridiculous requirement that makes 80% of Android phones not compatible. Read the comments on Google Play, you will see the disappointment.
Google says they will try to negotiate with the banks to require fewer security measurements, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Again. Not Elephone's fault. Not up to them.
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OnePlus 3, maybe. Not the older ones though. I can literally post screenshots of users complaining.
The OnePlus 3 is running OxygenOS. The older ones Cyanogenmod, which, I do not think will be supported. Ever.
Sooo I'm not the one who is uninformed. (A billion exclamation marks)
Lastly, what's the point being on XDA-Developers if you have a locked bootloader?
Google Wallet used to be much more open, all you needed was a device with an NFC.
Now you need to adhere to some ridiculous security measurements...
Elephone is running a modified version of Android. I don't think they will ever get the "test-keys" registered.
You are both ridiculously misinformed on the matter.
Elephone needs to switch from signing their ROM with test-keys to signing it with release-keys. If you want to know the difference between the two then please search.
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OnePlus 3, maybe. Not the older ones though. I can literally post screenshots of users complaining.
The OnePlus 3 is running OxygenOS. The older ones Cyanogenmod, which, I do not think will be supported. Ever.
Sooo I'm not the one who is uninformed. (A billion exclamation marks)
Lastly, what's the point being on XDA-Developers if you have a locked bootloader?
Google Wallet used to be much more open, all you needed was a device with an NFC.
Now you need to adhere to some ridiculous security measurements...
Elephone is running a modified version of Android. I don't think they will ever get the "test-keys" registered.
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Therefore it is down to them. I wish I would have known this before I bought the damned thing. Other than that, not a bad handset for that cash.
I was merely quoting an email I got this morning from Elephone and an email I got from Google a few weeks ago. I was not being informed or misinformed, or trying to be clever or anything. Just letting everyone know what the outcome was. End of story. Thanks!
Wow people here are harsh and not a bit helpful so far!!!
Jonny said:
You are both ridiculously misinformed on the matter.
Elephone needs to switch from signing their ROM with test-keys to signing it with release-keys. If you want to know the difference between the two then please search.
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Jonny said:
You are both ridiculously misinformed on the matter.
Elephone needs to switch from signing their ROM with test-keys to signing it with release-keys. If you want to know the difference between the two then please search.
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Everyone's ridiculously misinformed! Misinformation all around. On the house.
Getting back on topic, are you saying that anyone who makes a ROM and signs it with release-keys instead of test-keys can make a Google-Pay-friendly ROM? That wouldn't make sense? I don't know. This info doesn't just lie around, so apologies if I sound daft.
Cheers
I'm going to jump on the "wish I had Android Pay" bandwagon.
I use contactless payment all the time and have backed the Pagare strap for my Pebble Time Steel watch but that has been delayed until next year, so in the interim it seems I can only use cards. Would like to be able to leave my wallet at home sometimes.
So is the only solution likely to be if Elephone themselves stop signing their roms with test keys, and use release keys instead, and users who are on custom roms go back to using the standard one?
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I'm going to jump on the "wish I had Android Pay" bandwagon.
I use contactless payment all the time and have backed the Pagare strap for my Pebble Time Steel watch but that has been delayed until next year, so in the interim it seems I can only use cards. Would like to be able to leave my wallet at home sometimes.
So is the only solution likely to be if Elephone themselves stop signing their roms with test keys, and use release keys instead, and users who are on custom roms go back to using the standard one?
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From what I've seen, yes
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I asked Elephone on their FB page if they knew when Android Pay would be supported on P9000.
Reply:
"Not at this time, still in R&D, will update when we have solid news"
Disappointing
FWIW I have read that it's not possible to get Android Pay working on phones with unlocked bootloader, or Cyanogenmod. Also Chinese phones generally.
As such, not sure how I just managed to set it up on my wife's Oneplus One running CM13. Added card, verified, no error messages.
I thought the OPO had an unlocked bootloader from stock, and it's still running CM13 not Oxygen OS?
If so, why can't we get Android Pay on P9000 in the CM13 ROM that is being developed?
I think it was something to do with the rom signing keys, I wish they would sing the rom with release keys instead.
JakesDen said:
I think it was something to do with the rom signing keys, I wish they would sing the rom with release keys instead.
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That's the first part of it, there are other parts if the CTS that need to pass as well but signing a ROM with test keys is a big deal breaker as it really isn't secure.
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That's the first part of it, there are other parts if the CTS that need to pass as well but signing a ROM with test keys is a big deal breaker as it really isn't secure.
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they should focus on doing that and and relicing the source for stuff so we can port over cyanogen and ubuntu touch.
Slightly OT:
I found a workaround that suits for me to pay with my p9000 in Germany.
Root and XPosed needed, so some MIGHT be out here. I'm using rootcloak and device Faker in combination with the App boon.
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arhornberg said:
Slightly OT:
I found a workaround that suits for me to pay with my p9000 in Germany.
Root and XPosed needed, so some MIGHT be out here. I'm using rootcloak and device Faker in combination with the App boon.
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Can you give a step by step guide?
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I have had Barclays Pay working on my phone for a few weeks now and that has no issues yet!
smartjim25 said:
I have had Barclays Pay working on my phone for a few weeks now and that has no issues yet!
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I've been using it since I got the phone and found out Android Pay doesn't work. The only time I had issues wss when I updated to the latest Elephone OTA update. It completely broke Barclaycard Pay and the only way I could get it working again was a full wipe of the device.
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I've been using it since I got the poo home and found out Android Pay doesn't work. The only time I had issues wss when I updated to the latest Elephone OTA update. It completely broke Barclaycard Pay and the only way I could get it working again was a full wipe of the device.
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You take your poo for walks? Lol that's gotta be typo of the year!
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Related
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/2...:+DroidLife+(Droid+Life)&utm_content=Facebook
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Just a company who thought they could add Google play without permission. Google will shoot down their request and people will have to sideload like we do on gg
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...you're on XDA. And you're worried about play store access.
I reiterate...
...you're on XDA? And worried about play store access?
I'll make something that roots the device and sideloads the app store and google services all in one button. Don't worry your pretty little head. If that's the only thing they get wrong, then it's still the best device to date.
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...you're on XDA. And you're worried about play store access.
I reiterate...
...you're on XDA? And worried about play store access?
I'll make something that roots the device and sideloads the app store and google services all in one button. Don't worry your pretty little head. If that's the only thing they get wrong, then it's still the best device to date.
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That's not my point! They lied to the consumer and cannot be trusted as a whole. They have been funded on kickstarter based on a lie, not just a small lie, but a giant fraudulent, refund my $ you bastards sized lie.
Root or no root, they sold it as a Google Play store accessible device. And it isn't!
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kevinb77 said:
That's not my point! They lied to the consumer and cannot be trusted as a whole. They have been funded on kickstarter based on a lie, not just a small lie, but a giant fraudulent, refund my $ you bastards sized lie.
Root or no root, they sold it as a Google Play store accessible device. And it isn't!
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They're still working on it, actually, and my understanding is that no 240x240 screen sized device will be capable of supporting it under android 4.3, so they may have it out when they update to 4.3, pending Google's say-so.
So a device that does not have certification for a version of Android that doesn't even exist yet is a fraud?
As far as it not coming on the Android 4.2.2 version, that was public knowledge back in early September.
Oh BTW
"While all efforts are made to ensure timely completion of software functions, software development too can have unforseeable delays which may result in software functions being delivered in an update after a product has shipped."
On the Omate KS page since Aug 21st 2013
Hell. At least they updated you about it vs threatening folks publicly when ever anybody brought up any real issues.
BAWWWWWWWWWW QQ more. This isn't new knowledge and you're an idiot for thinking a company is a fraud because they hit a hiccup they didn't count on when bringing their product to the US.
This is XDA. You're complaining in the wrong place.
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kevinb77 said:
That's not my point! They lied to the consumer and cannot be trusted as a whole. They have been funded on kickstarter based on a lie, not just a small lie, but a giant fraudulent, refund my $ you bastards sized lie.
Root or no root, they sold it as a Google Play store accessible device. And it isn't!
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Are you serious?!? Name at least one crowdfunding campaign that treated their backers with as much respect, which had as many detailed updates, which had stayed on schedule, which has worked so hard around the globe? They came up front about Play store hiccup and even offered an alternative of another on-line store until they will resolve licensing issue with Google (which btw they are working on actively).
I don't understand everyone defending this "upfront" action they decided to take after a Google exec put the kabash on the Play store on this device last week. But I work for a manufacturer of medical devices and if we advertise something to be in our product it has to be there or we would get our assess sued into bankruptcy. My point was that they should have never advertised the device as a Google Play store capable device if they didn't have all their ducks in a row. Business wise, it's unethical and in other markets even criminal.
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Probably because we aren't assholes.
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kuronosan said:
Probably because we aren't assholes.
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No need for name calling man. I'm just trying to wrap my head around this situation.
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I wasn't calling you one. I will say none of your posts indicated you were trying to understand this so much as belittling those who don't agree with you.
If you want to discuss it, let's discuss it. Don't patronize people.
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kuronosan said:
I wasn't calling you one. I will say none of your posts indicated you were trying to understand this so much as belittling those who don't agree with you.
If you want to discuss it, let's discuss it. Don't patronize people.
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I certainly was not trying to belittle anyone in the XDA universe.
But the solution of sideloading the Play Store apk is unsettling to me. I own an OUYA and was an early adopter of one of the first Android tablets, the Viewsonic G-book. I have also been rooting and roming since the DROID 1. While ROMS and sideloading is great, it's just unstable and in some situations becomes a full-time job of keeping up with updates and fixes.
I love messing with my devices as much as anyone else here, but for once I'd like to just buy an Android device that I didn't feel the need to have to change in someway, and spending upwards to $300 on an Android device in 2013 with its fair amount of promises should deliver on them.
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I agree with you completely and feel the same way but we need to draw the line here at calling it fraud.
I'm comfortable enough with side loading that it isn't an issue but the developer model is what is being discussed. November 30th is a long ways away in shipping terms and until they definitively say no I just think it's better not to get up in arms about it. Let them do their thing. Believe me when I say that if they screw this up they will sink.
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kevinb77 said:
I don't understand everyone defending this "upfront" action they decided to take after a Google exec put the kabash on the Play store on this device last week.
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ORLY. AGAIN, the play store (Google Services) issue was a matter of public knowledge for over a month.
kevinb77 said:
My point was that they should have never advertised the device as a Google Play store capable device if they didn't have all their ducks in a row. Business wise, it's unethical and in other markets even criminal.
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Should they have removed the mention of Play Store being included back in early Sept? In my opinion yes. The release that recently came out should have also been done back then as well. "unethical"? Maybe. Criminal? No. The disclaimer that was a the bottom of their KS since day one covers their ass. Period, end of story, thanks for playing.
kuronosan said:
I agree with you completely and feel the same way but we need to draw the line here at calling it fraud.
I'm comfortable enough with side loading that it isn't an issue but the developer model is what is being discussed. November 30th is a long ways away in shipping terms and until that definitively say no I just think it's better not to get up in arms about it. Let them do their thing. Believe me when I say that if they screw this up they will sink.
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All the KS units are in the clear. The pre-orders may be another matter.
In my book, the campaign of AI Watch is fraudulent. Regarding Omate, I have a pretty good feeling that even if they would have published this disclaimer while campaign was active - they still would have gotten as much supporters/backers because for a lot of the people not including Google play store is not a show stopper. With a ways around it (sideloading), and alternative store, and active updates about working with Google to resolve this officially, I still say they built a strong community trust.
Btw, with Google planning to release their own smartwatch and probably a pressure from tanking Gear, something tells me there are political reasons for Google to continue delaying their decision. Just my conspiracy theory
vectron said:
In my book, the campaign of AI Watch is fraudulent.
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At least Omate have admitted that Google Play support won't be there out the box, unlike AI Smartwatch, which is in the same position. They are still giving the impression it comes with Play store.
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...you're on XDA. And you're worried about play store access.
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I think its really funny how people are complaining so much about it. i mean i am disappointed my self as its part of why i've pre ordered the 8gb 1gb omate truesmart but it wasn't the main reason the main reason is because its the best smart watch there is so far. I'm no programmer but I can still install apps etc so it wont be too hard for people to install them, them self's once someone provides us with them to install.
as for no smart watches coming with play store i have the omate prototype on my wrist right now (re-branded as simvalley aw-414.go) and it has play store built into the rom. i know because i factory reset it and it was still there. that being said i hope they make an update for the one I'm wearing right now as it has some terrible bugs on the ui that make it not so good for using some apps show multiple copy's of their icons and you can not remove any of them without uninstalling said apps, after you put so many apps on it some start to vanish and can only be seen if you search for them, it looks like they tried hybrid the app drawer and the home screens as their is no home screens so no widgets or only showing apps you want to see. it also has folders but their useless as you can only put 3 apps in them. it becomes useless if i install a different launcher to fix the other issues. do you think omate firmware would work on it ? because the firmware thats on it says omate_hw2.0_20130923.1 and the model number says omate too.
if someone releases firmware for it that works properly it would be not so bad and very similar to the lower spec omate internals wise? as it seems to be reasonable for its specs if you ignore those software bugs that should have been fixed before release.
NachTSS said:
I think its really funny how people are complaining so much about it. i mean i am disappointed my self as its part of why i've pre ordered the 8gb 1gb omate truesmart but it wasn't the main reason the main reason is because its the best smart watch there is so far. I'm no programmer but I can still install apps etc so it wont be too hard for people to install them, them self's once someone provides us with them to install.
as for no smart watches coming with play store i have the omate prototype on my wrist right now (re-branded as simvalley aw-414.go) and it has play store built into the rom. i know because i factory reset it and it was still there. that being said i hope they make an update for the one I'm wearing right now as it has some terrible bugs on the ui that make it not so good for using some apps show multiple copy's of their icons and you can not remove any of them without uninstalling said apps, after you put so many apps on it some start to vanish and can only be seen if you search for them, it looks like they tried hybrid the app drawer and the home screens as their is no home screens so no widgets or only showing apps you want to see. it also has folders but their useless as you can only put 3 apps in them. it becomes useless if i install a different launcher to fix the other issues. do you think omate firmware would work on it ? because the firmware thats on it says omate_hw2.0_20130923.1 and the model number says omate too.
if someone releases firmware for it that works properly it would be not so bad and very similar to the lower spec omate internals wise? as it seems to be reasonable for its specs if you ignore those software bugs that should have been fixed before release.
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I'm sure if it doesn't work right out of the box, we can make you a rom from the Omate that will work quite easily.
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I'm sure if it doesn't work right out of the box, we can make you a rom from the Omate that will work quite easily.
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It does not sadly. I mean its still useable but the issues it does have make it not very good to use so it really needs a rom that works properly.
the rom thats on it is custom build version: OMATE_HW2.0_20130923.115849 and the model number is listed as OMATE.
but yeah I'd be really grateful if someone does make a custom rom for it that works properly and tells me which google play store version to install and were to get the apk etc, I'm also guessing they would need to make a rooting app for it too so it could be flashed tho right?
Honor's recent decision to end bootloader unlocks for their phones upset the entire community, us included, and we've been working feverishly to get them to change the decision. That said, it takes time for complaints to climb the ladder of such a big company, and we've had to settle for baby steps. :fingers-crossed:
We asked Honor for the reason behind this action and this is what they said:
"\The unlock code application service was closed on May 24th for all Huawei/ Honor products as a security measure and to avoid issues caused by ROM flashing. The decision to close the page ensured Huawei/ Honor could continue to provide an excellent user experience for all global fans.
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XDA Developers are actively engaged in software development and they constantly provide valuable suggestions to optimize Honor products. Based on their feedback, that unlocked bootloaders make it easier for them to develop and create, Honor has decided to re-open bootloader unlock on an exclusive number of codes to the XDA Developer community. :highfive:
The unlock codes are available for download exclusively to XDA Developers on a first-come-first-served basis via this online form....Update: thank you to all that applied for an unlock code. We are no longer taking requests. Unlock codes will be sent out in batches, starting the week of 25 September and continuing until the end of the year. Further instructions will go out via XDA PM asap. . XDA users can apply for the codes using the form and all applicants will have the opportunity to share their feedback. It might take several weeks to receive an unlock code after requesting one, but we'll work with Honor to expedite the process as much as possible.
XDA will continue to work with Honor to give users a strong voice when decisions are made that affect their user experience. Finally, they had this to say:
Honor phones and systems have gone through rigorous testing and improvements, which is why Honor is able to offer great products at good prices for global digital natives.
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svetius said:
Honor's recent decision to end bootloader unlocks for their phones upset the entire community, us included, and we've been working feverishly to get them to change the decision. That said, it takes time for complaints to climb the ladder of such a big company, and we've had to settle for baby steps. :fingers-crossed:
We asked Honor for the reason behind this action and this is what they said:
XDA Developers are actively engaged in software development and they constantly provide valuable suggestions to optimize Honor products. Based on their feedback, that unlocked bootloaders make it easier for them to develop and create, Honor has decided to re-open bootloader unlock on an exclusive number of codes to the XDA Developer community. :highfive:
The unlock codes are available for download exclusively to XDA Developers on a first-come-first-served basis via this online form. XDA users can apply for the codes using the form and all applicants will have the opportunity to share their feedback. It might take several weeks to receive an unlock code after requesting one, but we'll work with Honor to expedite the process as much as possible.
XDA will continue to work with Honor to give users a strong voice when decisions are made that affect their user experience. Finally, they had this to say:
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Only for Honor devices?
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Only for Honor devices?
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Yes.
This is great! +1xp to Honor!
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Well I am a Huawei owner and I already have my code. But I would like to still thank XDA for pushing this, and actually doing something.
Really hoping Huawei will come up with a solution.
To be fair, I kinda understand them. As it is right now, the OS on the phone is way too fragile, and you can end in a permanent brick way too easy.
But that is something they should fix on their end and not punish users for wanting to have control over these great devices.
Like, I love my Mate 10 Pro. It's one of the best on the market I believe. And hell, I am ready to purchase a Mate 20 (Pro?) if it comes out. But only, if we get custom OS support. Don't get me wrong, I actually like EMUI, and I totally don't get the complaints about EMUI. Trust me. If you complain about it, go and try Touchwiz. You will know hell. However, at some point, Huawei will stop providing updates or will focus on later models. At that point, I would still like to stay 'fresh' and have a lean OS. I had an S3 LTE, a Note 2, Note 4, LG G4, LG G Pro 2, and Cyanogen/Lineage and the others have given these devices new life.
Ps.: tl;dr: If we get custom roms, I keep buying them, my family will buy them, my friends will buy. If not, well, we all go to other brands.
This isn't just spitting in the face of users right?
Hope they change the decision and permanent opening bootloader again.
h8Aramex said:
Well I am a Huawei owner and I already have my code. But I would like to still thank XDA for pushing this, and actually doing something.
Really hoping Huawei will come up with a solution.
To be fair, I kinda understand them. As it is right now, the OS on the phone is way too fragile, and you can end in a permanent brick way too easy.
But that is something they should fix on their end and not punish users for wanting to have control over these great devices.
Like, I love my Mate 10 Pro. It's one of the best on the market I believe. And hell, I am ready to purchase a Mate 20 (Pro?) if it comes out. But only, if we get custom OS support. Don't get me wrong, I actually like EMUI, and I totally don't get the complaints about EMUI. Trust me. If you complain about it, go and try Touchwiz. You will know hell. However, at some point, Huawei will stop providing updates or will focus on later models. At that point, I would still like to stay 'fresh' and have a lean OS. I had an S3 LTE, a Note 2, Note 4, LG G4, LG G Pro 2, and Cyanogen/Lineage and the others have given these devices new life.
Ps.: tl;dr: If we get custom roms, I keep buying them, my family will buy them, my friends will buy. If not, well, we all go to other brands.
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Well I for one do NOT understand them. It's absolutely NONE of their business what we (who paid good money for OUR phones!) do with the devices! If we brick them or whatever breaks - it doesn't concern Huawei at all since it's not covered by any kind of warranty after we unlock the bootloader.
I bought the View 10 ONLY because of the Honor Open Source program and of course right after I got the damn thing everything shut down.
I for one will NOT support a company that treats their paying customers like dirt - this is my first and most definitely LAST Huawei/Honor device unless they do an about face, let us unlock our bootloaders and support custom roms. ?
This is great news. I'm glad that the talks with them went somewhere. Good job guys.
While I truly appreciate the effort from everyone involved in this action, this doesn't help anything. If the devices are not open for everyone, they are not open for anyone.
This is the equivalent of not escalating a situation with an angry customer and giving him what he wants, a special treatment, while all the others won't get it.
That's not fair at all.
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While I truly appreciate the effort from everyone involved in this action, this doesn't help anything. If the devices are not open for everyone, they are not open for anyone.
This is the equivalent of not escalating a situation with an angry customer and giving him what he wants, a special treatment, while all the others won't get it.
That's not fair at all.
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This is hopefully the first step to get this decision reversed at a later stage.
And regarding your analogy comparing this to an angry customer - the people who mainly are concerned by this decision are the people who would come to XDA forums anyway. This decision is more like showing special treatment to a target demographic of angry customers than a single angry customer.
what about Kernel Source codes etc for more recent devices like honor play? are they planing on releasing any?
I'm glad to see a little wiggle room on this. But as Huawei arguably has one of the top devices on market (or so I keep hearing about the P20 Pro) it also starts to make sense.
Here's hoping a good balance can be found.
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Well I for one do NOT understand them. It's absolutely NONE of their business what we (who paid good money for OUR phones!) do with the devices! If we brick them or whatever breaks - it doesn't concern Huawei at all since it's not covered by any kind of warranty after we unlock the bootloader.
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Except you don't, in the EU at least, inspite of Honour / Huawei claims software modification, including unlocking bootloader doesn't invalidate your hardware warranty.
Good to see. Well done to XDA for sticking to their guns and getting Honor to soften their stance.
Hopefully if just the start and it can become a permanent policy and the Huawei side of the business to do the same. (which I heavily doubt they will
) My P20 Pro would be a perfect phone if I could get from EMUI to stock
Hello, XDA
I am a developer, can I get this benefit to unlock the bootloader of my device Honor?
They must have seen aggresive concurrent Xiaomi taking some market share
what about lock code on Honor V10? some people write about not working old codes on ROM FW>=163 version. Via this service, Huawei sent new code for new room or include downgrading to old room warning with code?
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Except you don't, in the EU at least, inspite of Honour / Huawei claims software modification, including unlocking bootloader doesn't invalidate your hardware warranty.
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While that IS true you'll have a hard time getting any repairs done once you unlocked it - and besides, my hardware doesn't break due to me f*cking up by unlocking and flashing custom roms etc. If someone flashes a bad kernel and blows their chip due to overclocking or what have you the repair centers can still tell and refuse a warranty repair.
Either way you look at it - letting us unlock our devices does NOT cost them anything, but it will keep us buying their phones.
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-loses-access-to-google-android-987873/
Reading the latest news, I can't decide whether laughing or crying....
It's concerning for us who just upgraded to the P30 Pro. I'm wondering if it's a bill pay upgrade would I be able to change my mind and go to the S10 plus now.
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It's concerning for us who just upgraded to the P30 Pro. I'm wondering if it's a bill pay upgrade would I be able to change my mind and go to the S10 plus now.
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The world isn't work like this. Nobody enforced you to buy any Huawei devices.
If you want to make a complaint, then write to Google or to Donald Trump.
Have we sell the p30 pro?
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The world isn't work like this. Nobody enforced you to buy any Huawei devices.
If you want to make a complaint, then write to Google or to Donald Trump.
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The world does work like this ,it's consumer protection. Nobody forces you to buy a contract / bill item but by law you have cooling off periods and protection when the item isn't as described. We could argue that the item is no longer as described due to losing access to official Android updates and applications
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Worst thing is, if we opt to sell, no one will buy it due to these restrictions. I shave 3 years on this contract... Talk about D's
Huawei unlocks its devices, we install play store services and carry on
So what…. Trump is working on the next big Economic Crisis for the US... Huawei will found a Solution and have his own Appstore
Greetings Raffi
I am concerned about the updates
Finally my p30 pro feels so snappy with 153 that made me excited about Android q and Updates then this comes along
And is it going to effect the other Chinese manufacturers like OnePlus oppo xiaomi or not, these are the only ones left to provide us with the latest best tech without the redeculas 1000$+ that's becoming normal even for LG
Stupid
I am worried about this too, it also makes me think that if this news changes soon something like this could happen in the future because of the issues regarding huawei and America and also the UK where i am stopping Huawei from creating the 5G networks.
I happened to request a return for my P30 Pro within the 14 days period, i got sent the bag to send it back in, and says i have 30 days from when i made that request, i am within them 30 days still, so not i am really wondering if i should just send this phone back and get an S10?
Apparently this happened to ZTE before however they were reinstated again and approved. So time will tells
I think I have made my mind up, I have always been with Samsung, i was really loving OneUI on my s8+ before i got the p30 pro, i only got it as i thought i'd give it a go assuming it can't be that different, i have posted many bugs and annoyances here since getting the p30 pro, some of which i have fixed, some i can't, the EMUI software is really bad and doesn't seem well developed at all.
I think i will get an s10+
I don't care. I believe that Huawei most likely have the capacity to do their own firmware now. They'll do their own firmware and run their own app store. They're big enough now that they'll be able to make it work. Will be nice to have an alternative third ecosystem in the phone world.
I guess it's good bye now to any future security patches. Don't think Huawei's own OS would a viable alternative either. It's new and it will definitely have a lot of issues with third party apps compatibility for example, syncing to wear os devices.
Anyways, it was stated that current phones are not effected by this so i guess the main issue for us now would be upcoming security patches and firmware update.
Reckon the best option would be to sell it off.
Don worry guys...
https://www.businessinsider.in/Chin...d-Microsoft-products/articleshow/68433984.cms
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Don worry guys...
https://www.businessinsider.in/Chin...d-Microsoft-products/articleshow/68433984.cms
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It will be like giving your phone admin access to china
Isn't android open source? The AOSP code for any future android OS will always be available. Huawei can always use androids open code into their devices for future security patches.
Google and 5 eyes are already spying on you. How come you don't care about that?
Huwaei phone will not recieve any android specifc code from Google , no more secutity updates , no more Google Play, no more APIs ,,,
Everthing is just blocked by US /Google now ,,
Huwaei journey in androd ends here as they will only have Aosp access which is plain deadland now days as most of the apis have migrated to Google play services
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https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-loses-access-to-google-android-987873/
Reading the latest news, I can't decide whether laughing or crying....
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I was all set to buy the p30pr0 but now...
Hey Mate 20 Pro owners - just trying to understand what the Mate 20 Pro owners are planning on at the moment in the wake of Google/android services ban etc.,
I am also a proud owner of Mate 20 Pro for the last six months and I absolutely love this device.
Are you guys trying to selling it off before the value drops too low?
Or, hoping the situation will reverse and fix itself?
I am hoping it will all be okay in the next two months? What do you guys advise?
I'm sticking with it as this Google business isn't a major problem for me
Same here, i'll stay with my mate 20 pro.
i really think it's a great phone, so i see no reason to sell it.
About the problems with Google, we still have 3 months before the ban really starts, so i think it's just a pressure method from Trump to get the trade deal with China.
And even if it's not and they still ban it i will stay with Huawei, i have to say i'm really curious about Hongmeng OS that they'll launch in fall.
I only consider price and value before and at the time of buying. Once I make a decision, the price is no longer a factor for me. I only bought the phone recently because my previous phone was no longer usable. As long as my current gapps remain usable on this phone, I don't necessarily care about future updates that much. I buy a phone based on it's performance at the time of purchase. When I was buying this phone, I wanted a flagship phone for a non-flagship price, I refuse to spend a $1000 for a phone. After considering many, it came down to this phone because it was a flagship phone that had a non-flagship price.
It's bad when a phone loses it's upgrade path, it's always better to have a phone from a brand that's not in the news for all the wrong reasons. However, all the good reasons I bought this phone for to begin with still stand. I'm in the USA, I buy my phones outright and just put them on my basic plan without subsidy because it saves me money in the long run. I wanted a good phone, I got a good phone. I take care of it, I got a case that protects it's front and back, it should last long enough to justify it's investment. With each transaction, be it a car, a house or a phone, you lose money (especially with sales tax) so the solution is to buy smart and minimize the number of transactions as much as possible. I would love to unlock the bootloader and root it, I would love it if Huawei bans are reversed but even if not, what I have is still a great phone to keep for the foreseeable future.
From now on, I'll keep it. It doesn't a matter if we can't upgrade to Android Q. But I must keep using Android Suite, because I'm using it for work. And I'm also using Android Auto.
Don't worry, if you need gaps you have various ways to install them. Besides, I can't wait to see what will that new OS will be!
Jovan.Sulic said:
Don't worry, if you need gaps you have various ways to install them. Besides, I can't wait to see what will that new OS will be!
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can you please elaborate? I'm also curious if there's alternative non offical way to keep the os and apps as is in a functional way.
Existing Huawei devices will keep access to gapps, even after if and when the ban is permanently enforced. If there is no positive solution for Huawei, their future phones will not be able to access gapps. Sideloading gapps to future devices after the ban is official just won't work without changing the device ID, google servers (play store, gmail, gmaps, etc, etc) will deny access to future identified Huawei phones. For example, Mate 30 Pro will likely launch in November, the current 90 day extension expires in August. If the ban is still in place (I doubt it) at the time the Mate 30 Pro launches, then it will be denied access to gaaps, if it's identified as a Huawei device that was launched after the ban became official.
Personally I think it's just politics and leveraging for a position in the trade war negotiations. Huawei's growth is a concern to others, they surpassed others in the 5G infrastructure tech and the USA and it's allies don't want the traffic to go through tech they don't have control over. The reason they are leaving Xiaomi or 1+ alone is they don't make the infrastructure behind 5G. I think it's not about China spying through Huawei, rather about them not being able to spy through Huawei equipment.
I'm definitely keeping mine for another year, the resell value is so minuscule now that it's not worth upgrading after just a year. This is still a great device and on par with all the newest flagships.
I don't care if EMUI 10/Android Q eventually arrives without any Google services, I'll simply use Gmail through the native EMUI email app and download my apps through Aurora store. Aurora allows you to login with your Google account even without Play services and download paid apps you've purchased. For YouTube I'll use Vanced, it has no ads and no need for Google services.
mcjordan92 said:
can you please elaborate? I'm also curious if there's alternative non offical way to keep the os and apps as is in a functional way.
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Someone has already mentioned that the ban does not apply to existing phones. The xda forum has instructions on how to install gaps. after all, Huawei announced that the existing phones will send security patches
I just googled this thread. But if you ever instaled custom ROM you know what I mean.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-20-pro/help/google-play-store-chinese-variant-t3861639
When the ban hits and I'm focked by Trump I'll buy a bootloader unlock code and install LineageOS. Hopefully by then the camera functions are supported sufficiently to use the camera properly as that's what made me upgrade from the Mate 9, to 10 pro to 20 pro...
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When the ban hits and I'm focked by Trump I'll buy a bootloader unlock code and install LineageOS. Hopefully by then the camera functions are supported sufficiently to use the camera properly as that's what made me upgrade from the Mate 9, to 10 pro to 20 pro...
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You can do that right now, but I will wait for that new huawei OS and see what will Huawei bring to us
Jovan.Sulic said:
Someone has already mentioned that the ban does not apply to existing phones. The xda forum has instructions on how to install gaps. after all, Huawei announced that the existing phones will send security patches
I just googled this thread. But if you ever instaled custom ROM you know what I mean.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-20-pro/help/google-play-store-chinese-variant-t3861639
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The ban does apply to existing phones. They will be able to continue using existing software but there will be no more updates.
Installing custom ROMs is impossible on international phones since the bootloader is locked.
darkoroje said:
The ban does apply to existing phones. They will be able to continue using existing software but there will be no more updates.
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Yes and no. My understanding is that current Huawei phones will get official Google security updates, but no OS updates.
charliebigpot said:
Yes and no. My understanding is that current Huawei phones will get official Google security updates, but no OS updates.
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No. Existing phones can continue to use Google play protect and the play store but Huawei cannot release any updates including security updates after August.
Huawei will obviously focus their attention on the new os which will replace android so chances on getting much support on our phones is quite low. Which is why the resale value of the phone has collapsed.
https://www.techradar.com/news/huaweis-os-to-be-rolled-out-next-month
Interesting stuff
Lets not forget people have bought the Chinese models which aren't official Android (not supported) and had no issues, the media are just blowing the whole thing up
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Huawei cannot release any updates including security updates after August.
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Not what I've been reading or seen on Youtube, security updates will continue and they could release unsupported updates of the OS like in China
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blackspp said:
When the ban hits and I'm focked by Trump I'll buy a bootloader unlock code and install LineageOS. Hopefully by then the camera functions are supported sufficiently to use the camera properly as that's what made me upgrade from the Mate 9, to 10 pro to 20 pro...
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I doubt the camera app will take full advantage of it
They cannot release unsupported updates of android because Google play services would stop working which would make it unusable.
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They cannot release unsupported updates of android because Google play services would stop working which would make it unusable.
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So how do the Chinese version do it, don't they just install Google Services separately, even if that didn't work nothing stopping them using the Hisuit to do it
Shipoftheline said:
So how do the Chinese version do it, don't they just install Google Services separately, even if that didn't work nothing stopping them using the Hisuit to do it
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Chinese versions do not have access to Google services as far as I know. Google services are banned by law in China.
Hi, I am thinking to buy the Mi A3, since it got android one, OLED and much more. But I want to know, does the device standard on what it promises, so I want your opinion. Should I buy it or just go for other device.
riyan65 said:
Hi, I am thinking to buy the Mi A3, since it got android one, OLED and much more. But I want to know, does the device standard on what it promises, so I want your opinion. Should I buy it or just go for other device.
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The Android one project is really a scam at this point its may and still have a very buggy version of Android 10 that way delivered in April, the OLED is a good pannel but the resolution isn't the best ,the battery is good tho, I would recommend you to look for another device.
For the bad, honestly, it's the bugs. If you don't mind the bugs, most of them can be worked around without root. But the android 10 update has solved quite a few of them.
The fingerprint scanner can be really annoying sometimes, but it requires muscle memory. Push harder than the fingerprint you recorded and it won't recognize it.
The screen is OK. I don't really care for the dpi. It's perfectly sharp for average use.
Now the good.
Battery life is AMAZING. I consistently get over 12 hours of SOT, rarely less than 10.
The camera is very, very, very good. Pictures are just incredibly nice for this price range.
And the price. Really.
If you want an amazing battery life, buy it. No other phone I know in this price range has this battery life.
If you have ~160€ I think this is the best you can find for that price. If you don't have more money to spare, sure go for it. And know you'll have to workaround some bugs.
If you can get a little more money, get other phone.
If you don't wanna workaround the bugs, maybe check the Redmi note 8, but know the battery life ain't as good.
riyan65 said:
Hi, I am thinking to buy the Mi A3, since it got android one, OLED and much more. But I want to know, does the device standard on what it promises, so I want your opinion. Should I buy it or just go for other device.
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The only thing that I have been bothering me it is the amount of bugs with Android 10, Xiaomi solved one of them, but for me it is really anoying.
I was prefer wait three or four months more for Android 10, but without bugs.
No.
It is a great phone overall. What are the other alternatives? I got mine on nice sale. I personally wanted these specifications, so i got it.
NFC was maybe the only compromise. What else you can get?
- Huawei nova 5t? it may be better, was not released when i bought my phone, ot it was pricier, not sure. + have NFC
- Samsung Galaxy a30s- my girlfriend have that, the camera is not better, i even think it is worse, the battery may be better, her phone can hold some juice for a long time, like 2 days+, but you can do it with mi a3 also, the display is the same, exactly the same, but my fingerprint is faster( you does not need to hold it long or to press hard like that guy told you, even sometimes it is that fast, when i am lifting it from table or take it out of my pocket and slightly touching the sensor area it just unlock), also you can't find really that much customisation. But you will have NFC.
Don't buy Xioami, to be honest, their customer service is so bad it's remarkable they are still in business. Get out the no account authorization issue they have, you have to buy black-market support to fix any issue. 0/10 for support, stay far.
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Don't buy Xioami, to be honest, their customer service is so bad it's remarkable they are still in business. Get out the no account authorization issue they have, you have to buy black-market support to fix any issue. 0/10 for support, stay far.
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So it's better to play "black market" to be able to unlock your bootloader (Nokia) or that you can't unblock it at all (Huawei) or that it screws up your phone (Sony DRM, Samsung KNOX)? Don't be ridiculous, playing with bootloader and system has some risks, if you're not ready to eventually pay for your mistakes, keep your phone in stock state. Phone manufacturer has nothing to do with it.
mobile_fan_2k5 said:
Don't buy Xioami, to be honest, their customer service is so bad it's remarkable they are still in business. Get out the no account authorization issue they have, you have to buy black-market support to fix any issue. 0/10 for support, stay far.
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As far as i see you had a problem with the phone and you ended in a bootloop, that you had a problem it's your fault, in fact, if I'm not mistaken, they are the only company that allows unlocking, that's why there are so many developers..
That's one of the cheapest phones for the specs!
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So it's better to play "black market" to be able to unlock your bootloader (Nokia) or that you can't unblock it at all (Huawei) or that it screws up your phone (Sony DRM, Samsung KNOX)? Don't be ridiculous, playing with bootloader and system has some risks, if you're not ready to eventually pay for your mistakes, keep your phone in stock state. Phone manufacturer has nothing to do with it.
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Hi _mysiak_ Please read what I said :
I just said I am not a modder, I just ran an OTA and it's been dead since, and that's 5 months ago. The phone was stock, vanilla. I don't hack/mod phones I don't have the time.
Xiaomi forces us to go to the black market because they refuse to offer the correct support to customers
Again, I am not a modder/ hacker I did not mod my device. I did an OTA update and it went into boot loop ever since.
Check the MI forums this is not an edge case, Xiaomi have buggy OS updates that will kill your device (eg. Just like mine, check MI website hundreds, if not thousands of people have this issue and the only fix is to fly to China)
Check this official XDA post :
https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-edl-unbrick-authorized-mi-accounts/
Overall I would not buy, nor recommend a Xiaomi, I don't trust the brand. But hey that's my opinion, You had a better experience so at least you're lucky.
mobile_fan_2k5 said:
Hi _mysiak_ Please read what I said :
I just said I am not a modder, I just ran an OTA and it's been dead since, and that's 5 months ago. The phone was stock, vanilla. I don't hack/mod phones I don't have the time.
Xiaomi forces us to go to the black market because they refuse to offer the correct support to customers
Again, I am not a modder/ hacker I did not mod my device. I did an OTA update and it went into boot loop ever since.
Check the MI forums this is not an edge case, Xiaomi have buggy OS updates that will kill your device (eg. Just like mine, check MI website hundreds, if not thousands of people have this issue and the only fix is to fly to China)
Check this official XDA post :
https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-edl-unbrick-authorized-mi-accounts/
Overall I would not buy, nor recommend a Xiaomi, I don't trust the brand. But hey that's my opinion, You had a better experience so at least you're lucky.
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Sorry, misunderstood your post. If it's still in stock state, you should apply for a warranty repair. Or pay a small fee for a 3rd party service and they'll do it remotely. In both cases I don't understand why you waited 5 months.. [emoji846] These things are unfortunate, but they happen sometimes, just like HW failures.
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As far as i see you had a problem with the phone and you ended in a bootloop, that you had a problem it's your fault, in fact, if I'm not mistaken, they are the only company that allows unlocking, that's why there are so many developers..
That's one of the cheapest phones for the specs!
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Yes, they are cheap and other offer unlocking also, I m just giving a review of my experience. I am not a modder, I don't unlock or mod, root anything last time I did so was LG G4. I just a vanilla android phone user that ACCEPTED an official OTA update and ever since I haven't gotten to use the device and I was told support to fix is only in China.
Again that's my experience if you had a better one congrats.
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Sorry, misunderstood your post. If it's still in stock state, you should apply for a warranty repair. Or pay a small fee for a 3rd party service and they'll do it remotely. In both cases I don't understand why you waited 5 months.. [emoji846] These things are unfortunate, but they happen sometimes, just like HW failures.
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Yes, I tried to fix it from day one but ran into the no authorization issue. I bought off Amazon where they said the warranty has passed. I will decide soon enough if I should fix, either way, I have moved.
After seeing this amount of negative reviews, I am just going to pass this device. Maybe I will go for Motorola, since they provide update regularly and bootloader unlock is available too. So I will go for Motorola. Thank you all, for let me know your suggestions.