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Hi,
So I've read the FCC documents located here: LINK
Page 1 and Page 5 are the most interesting! These state that the Verizon model SCH-i545 will have AWS band 4 (of course 13 too) which does support T-mobiles LTE network right? It never states 1700/1200 frequencies.
Thing I want to know from the pros is will this phone indeed offer LTE support for T-Mobile or and I'm just seeing things?
Also, for all the other people that are wondering if the ATT model will offer LTE support for T-Mobile as well? It will since it supports both bands 4 and 17 But wait is that AWS band 4?... the jury is out on that! -_-
Many Thanks
Becool0130 said:
Hi,
So I've read the FCC documents located here: LINK
Page 1 and Page 5 are the most interesting! These state that the Verizon model SCH-i545 will have AWS band 4 (of course 13 too) which does support T-mobiles LTE network right? It never states 1700/1200 frequencies.
Thing I want to know from the pros is will this phone indeed offer LTE support for T-Mobile or and I'm just seeing things?
Also, for all the other people that are wondering if the ATT model will offer LTE support for T-Mobile as well? It will since it supports both bands 4 and 17 But wait is that AWS band 4?... the jury is out on that! -_-
Many Thanks
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If I am correct, Verizon phones do not use sim cards (CDMA) and AT&T and T-Mobile are GMS (sim phones). So even if the bands are supported, I don't see how a Verizon phone would work on T-Mobile or AT&T unless they are CDMA / GSM dual phones. And even then they would have to be unlocked.
scott14719 said:
If I am correct, Verizon phones do not use sim cards (CDMA) and AT&T and T-Mobile are GMS (sim phones). So even if the bands are supported, I don't see how a Verizon phone would work on T-Mobile or AT&T unless they are CDMA / GSM dual phones. And even then they would have to be unlocked.
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All of the major Verizon releases over the past year have come GSM unlocked. They are world phones that contain GSM and CDMA radios. I'm using a Verizon iPhone 5 on the Straight Talk (AT&T) network currently.
All lte phones have sim cards as it is a gsm technology. My girls verizon gs3 has a sim. As far as it being compatible that is a hell of a question.
OneStepAhead said:
All of the major Verizon releases over the past year have come GSM unlocked. They are world phones that contain GSM and CDMA radios. I'm using a Verizon iPhone 5 on the Straight Talk (AT&T) network currently.
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Yes! I sold my iPhone 4s to get Samsung galaxy s4 and it sold to someone over in the UK world (Ireland) that says it works! Lol.
I've also seen threads about sim unlocking the Verizon S3 for domestic and international use. Some people use HiAPN as system app along with other steps and viola... Working on whatever network you want
Question is... Am I seeing right that Verizon S4 will support AWS Band 4 for t-mobile?
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good news
OneStepAhead said:
All of the major Verizon releases over the past year have come GSM unlocked. They are world phones that contain GSM and CDMA radios. I'm using a Verizon iPhone 5 on the Straight Talk (AT&T) network currently.
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Hey this is one question i have lingering on my mind. How is the StraightTalk connection? Is it any good? Are there call drop issues? And do they have data plans?
if i buy a tmobile s4 will it work on verizon??
I know most things are under the catagory of speculation/rumor but i was wanting to to check out tmobile network for a bit.... the no contract is appealing. If i bought the phone outright and ending up not liking tmobile i would switch to verizon. Short of selling the tmobile and getting a verizon phone i was wondering about just activating the same phone on verizon?
Will there be "one phone" in US or would they all have thier own modem chips i guess is the real question....
thanks for the guesses and speculat'n!
You have to consider its Verizon and they have 700Mhz LTE and you can't roam on AT&T's 700Mhz so I would not expect to access Verizons AWS spectrum on T-Mobile or vice versa. Remember when they said LTE was the unifying spectrum to allow for easier use across networks and carriers, well that was a pile of BS.
Great news, but I heard verizon was purposely going to burn in their logo onto the amoled screens.
RaptorMD said:
You have to consider its Verizon and they have 700Mhz LTE and you can't roam on AT&T's 700Mhz so I would not expect to access Verizons AWS spectrum on T-Mobile or vice versa.
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Wrong: those "700mhz" frequencies are different bands. Both T-Mobile and Verizon are building out LTE on the same band: 4 (AWS). They will be interoperable device-wise.
AT&T also owns a lot of AWS, and though they're currently running LTE on it only in one market (somewhere in Oklahoma IIRC), all their LTE devices do come with band 4 enabled.
The more I read about the differences, the more I'm convinced that the Verizon model is more cross compatible with all other services. It's still the only CDMA model. But it's also gsm unlocked if you know how to program APNs. Any thoughts?
jerzyboy2421 said:
The more I read about the differences, the more I'm convinced that the Verizon model is more cross compatible with all other services. It's still the only CDMA model. But it's also gsm unlocked if you know how to program APNs. Any thoughts?
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I posted a pretty detailed analyzation of the LTE bands the different GS4 models work with here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40974831#post40974831
if we ever get to the point where we don't need 3g at all any more (CDMA) and we can get VoLTE and use the LTE band exclusively that will eliminate a lot of the incompatability between Verizon and GSM carriers .
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if we ever get to the point where we don't need 3g at all any more (CDMA) and we can get VoLTE and use the LTE band exclusively that will eliminate a lot of the incompatability between Verizon and GSM carriers .
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When we get to that point, Verizon will basically be a GSM carrier. Considering LTE is just an evolution GSM, both developed by 3GPP.
camaroz28 said:
When we get to that point, Verizon will basically be a GSM carrier. Considering LTE is just an evolution GSM, both developed by 3GPP.
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When it gets to that point, the question is will LTE then become open so Google can sell a Nexus that works on every network without carriers involved?
Schoat333 said:
When it gets to that point, the question is will LTE then become open so Google can sell a Nexus that works on every network without carriers involved?
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Not just Google...all the manufacturers could do it. But...don't get your hopes up. That situation is not in the carriers' nor major manufacturers' interests, and they sit on the standards bodies. No one represents the users/customers.
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scott14719 said:
If I am correct, Verizon phones do not use sim cards (CDMA) and AT&T and T-Mobile are GMS (sim phones). So even if the bands are supported, I don't see how a Verizon phone would work on T-Mobile or AT&T unless they are CDMA / GSM dual phones. And even then they would have to be unlocked.
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Verizon does use sim cards I am in the process of trying to unlock
SCH-I545 On T-Mobile
i Have This phone running on T-Mobile and have notice it does pick up AWS but very limied when compared to a T-Mobile branded phone... im wondering if anyone has tested flashing the T-Mobile modem??
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No need to unlock just go into settings on the phone and under mobile networks their should be a tab that says prefered network.... click it and select global....
Is it safe to say that are phone will work on CDMA and GSM since we have a sim card? If it is unlocked and rooted.
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it will work for cdma and gsm but not all data network frequencies are supported
I have had my Verizon one on a few different networks. I am convinced that they are all
Capable of working on any carrier. But I can say for sure that my Verizon one will work on any
Network except for the iden ones.
From what I read on here I think the easiest way is to get an at&t one. Them guys have made the
Nv hacking nice and easy over there.
VZW probably will work on the most networks, seeing as it also supports CDMA. Outside of that, the AT&T, T-Mobile, or International Note 2 variants would be best. One thing with the VZW Note 2 is that it won't necessarily work fully on all GSM networks, as some, such as T-Mobile, use band(s) not supported by the VZW model.
Now that Verizon has officially enabled Band 4 LTE can we start using Unlocked LTE phones such as the GPe S4?
I know that most don't have a CDMA radio so technically you don't get any voice/mms/sms or coverage support but VoIP apps like Hangouts, GroovIP mitigate those types of issues.
The Nexus 5 supposedly will have a CDMA radio as it supports the SPR network but no indication of LTE Band 13 support so it should support handoff to 3G from band 4.
My 2 cents
This might get closed as there is a official thread already on AWS. However maybe your 2 cents is valid?
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Travisdroidx2 said:
This might get closed as there is a official thread already on AWS. However maybe your 2 cents is valid?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2502716
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This is a different question and leads to using non VZW on the network with custom ROMs off course.
It also means getting LTE on other Band 4 networks like Tmo with a VZW device.
My 2 cents
This is a different question and leads to using non VZW on the network with custom ROMs off course.
It also means getting LTE on other Band 4 networks like Tmo with a VZW device.
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Gotcha! Sorry for not understanding your statement correctly.
Anyone out there rocking the XZU model: C6806 on AT&T? If you are, does yours shows that your getting LTE? I have the C6833, cause I thought this got LTE, but all I seem to get is H+
So, if your getting LTE, please let me know. Thank you for your time.
Yep, I'm on ATT with a C6806 and getting LTE. Had to switch to the ATT APN when I flashed CM, but yes, definitely getting LTE. And the 6833 doesn't get LTE for ATT, doesn't have the right band IIRC.
Yep LTE works great on the C6806. Was in LA the other day getting 30+mb down and 20+ up.
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There are some locations in which the 6833 will get LTE but it's so not likely that it's not advertised as being compatible for AT&T. Even so, there were reports that some folks needed to have a recognized IMEI associated with their line of service to get LTE despite model and APN.
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Hi Phaze1585,
When I had my Z Ultra LTE (C6806), I was getting LTE on AT&T. However, there are two things you need in order for this to work:
1. Band 17 support which the C6833 does not have. However, AT&T may support band 4 (which the C6833 does support) sometime in the future but don't know when. If you look on Wikipedia and search LTE bands, it says AT&T supports bands 4 and 17 but AT&T currently implements band 17 predominately. There are reports on this forum that the C6833 should work on T-Mobile's LTE since they are using band 4.
2. The SIM card needs to be activated or associated with an AT&T LTE phone. If it is an LTE phone but not "approved" (basically sold) by AT&T, you will only get HSPA+. Not related to Z Ultra but in lines with the point, I purchased my dad a Xperia ZL and activated a new SIM with AT&T (previous phone was a Moto Atrix 2, HSPA+ only). When I booted the phone, it only connected with HSPA+. When I inserted my SIM which at the time was associated with a Galaxy Note 2, I was able to get LTE on the Xperia ZL. Similar stories can be seen by searching on Google.
Hope this helps.
Hello all,
I am having some difficulties getting my LG-H830 working on Verizon. The phone is carrier unlocked, stock rooted and BL unlocked. I've gone through the hidden menu and when I set LTE band to 2 or 4, it says SUCCESS. I've activated the SIM on another phone before moving over to the G5 and it shows up on my account.
I get bars but no LTE symbol, so I can't make calls via VoLTE (voice over LTE) and I don't have data. When I had it working on T-Mobile, there was an LTE symbol so I know it has LTE modem. I'm wondering if I need to modify build.prop to work on bands 2,4?
FYI on the lockscreen top left it says searching. A bit odd since I have four bars.
Any ideas? Appreciate any feedback!
I'm out of a phone until its working.
EDIT/UPDATE:
I'm trying to find the proper build.prop settings to get LTE working. Currently I am looking at my VZW LG G3 build.prop, however I've yet to change any settings that gets the LTE icon showing up. I've replaced the apns-conf.xml file from the G3 in order to have the proper APN configuration.
Things I'm trying (for the most part):
ro.build.target_operator=TMO (as VZW I do not get any service, with TMO it says Verizon Wireless and I get bars, but no LTE)
ro.telephony.default_network=10 (was 9)
telephony.lteOnCdmaDevice=1 (was commented out)
ro.cdma.home.operator.numeric=311480 (didn't exist)
ro.cdma.home.operator.alpha=Verizon (didn't exist)
gsm.sim.operator.alpha=Verizon (didn't exist)
gsm.sim.operator.numeric=311480 (didn't exist)
gsm.operator.alpha=Verizon (didn't exist)
gsm.operator.numeric=311480 (didn't exist)
persist.radio.volte.dan_support=true (didn't exist)
ro.afwdata.LGfeatureset=VZWBASE (was TMUSBASE)
persist.lg.data.fd=0 (was -1)
ro.com.google.clientidbase.ms=android-verizon (was android-hms-tmobile-us)
ro.com.google.clientidbase.am=android-verizon (was android-tmobile-us)
ro.com.google.clientidbase.yt=android-verizon (was android-om-lge)
I can also go into the hidden menu. Attached is what shows after selecting LTE only for the RAT.
NOTE:
Band4 confirmed in my area
A gsm phone won't work on Verizon because they are a cdma carrier you can only use it on carriers who use att or T-Mobile towers because they use gsm networks.
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shaneg79 said:
A gsm phone won't work on Verizon because they are a cdma carrier you can only use it on carriers who use att or T-Mobile towers because they use gsm networks.
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The LG-H830 supports LTE bands 2 and 4. It also supports VoLTE (Voice over LTE) and so does Verizon. I don't believe yet that it isn't going to work.
Have you confirmed the correct apn has been setup in settings - mobile networks? These aren't always set up automatically, and if it isn't set up right, you will have a regular phone connection but no data connection.
Withoutab said:
Have you confirmed the correct apn has been setup in settings - mobile networks? These aren't always set up automatically, and if it isn't set up right, you will have a regular phone connection but no data connection.
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Copied directly from my VZW LG G3 (4G). It is actually showing the radio as connected to 4G, just no 4G icon, data or calling.
Have you checked here: verizonwireless.com/bring-your-own-device/
According to T-Mobile site, your g5 doesn't support LTE band 13, wich is verizons main band..
Edit: This is a guide for adding bands
Withoutab said:
Have you checked here: verizonwireless.com/bring-your-own-device/
According to T-Mobile site, your g5 doesn't support LTE band 13, wich is verizons main band..
Edit: This is a guide for adding bands
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I'm aware that it doesn't support band 13, however in my area I've confirmed that band 4 is in production. My LG G3 is currently connected to band 4.
I've seen that thread before, I should probably add band 13. I don't think that is my issue at the moment though. It could be that Verizon requires a connection to CDMA before 4G use is allowed. I'm not entirely sure. Theoretically it should work..
This one is for the g4, might be more compatible with the g5. Maybe it's possible to unlock the cdma bands aswell.
Good luck and please report if you succeed
Withoutab said:
This one is for the g4, might be more compatible with the g5. Maybe it's possible to unlock the cdma bands aswell.
Good luck and please report if you succeed
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Thanks! When I get some spare time I'll give it a shot. If you think of anything else even if its a long shot, please let me know!
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jhasty01 said:
The LG-H830 supports LTE bands 2 and 4. It also supports VoLTE (Voice over LTE) and so does Verizon. I don't believe yet that it isn't going to work.
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I tried to use my T-Mobile LG g5 on Sprint and it wouldn't work I asked both sprint and T-Mobile they both told me it wouldn't work because the network's were different. I would love to get band 17 working on mine so I can use that band on cricket because they have a cheap truly unlimited plan but I don't think it's possible is the only band the T-Mobile LG g5 doesn't have that att uses but if you or someone figures out how to do it would love to know about it!
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shaneg79 said:
I tried to use my T-Mobile LG g5 on Sprint and it wouldn't work I asked both sprint and T-Mobile they both told me it wouldn't work because the network's were different. I would love to get band 17 working on mine so I can use that band on cricket because they have a cheap truly unlimited plan but I don't think it's possible is the only band the T-Mobile LG g5 doesn't have that att uses but if you or someone figures out how to do it would love to know about it!
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band 17 is a "subset" of band 12. afaik.. the at&t g5 doesnt have B17 either.. just B12.
if you can get cricket month by month it might be worth testing it.. worst case you're out a months service price.
autoprime said:
band 17 is a "subset" of band 12. afaik.. the at&t g5 doesnt have B17 either.. just B12.
if you can get cricket month by month it might be worth testing it.. worst case you're out a months service price.
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Yeah I'm gonna try it because I know it will work for the most part I may just not have 100% of the coverage for cricket but my parents have 4 lines on cricket so they have 1 extra line they aren't using so for the truly unlimited plan it would only be $30 for a month because the 5th line gets a $40 discount so definitely worth trying out like you said and T-Mobile has already unlocked my phone but I had to pay for one more month so I won't switch til August 3rd.
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