I am so ****ing sick of this bull**** knox! I am ****ing stuck with 4.4.2 since I can not root without tripping ****ing knox! All I want root for is to use Titanium Backup, SU, and Busybox!
I'm fed up with Samsung and do not understand why people continue to buy there crap when they are definitely hateful against rooting!
molitar said:
I am so ****ing sick of this bull**** knox! I am ****ing stuck with 4.4.2 since I can not root without tripping ****ing knox! All I want root for is to use Titanium Backup, SU, and Busybox!
I'm fed up with Samsung and do not understand why people continue to buy there crap when they are definitely hateful against rooting!
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LOL considering you're on 4.4.2 your warranty has been up for close to 2 years LOL which no one could care less about because tmo replaces trip Knox left and right as long as the system is stock.
Some people do not have the money to buy new phones. I had 2 year payment plan and got about 3 more months left to pay. I have a warranty on it that I do not want to void by tripping Knox.
I don't think Knox is an unreasonable way for Samsung to proceed. For an enterprise-class phone, the alternative is to completely lock down the device. To me, Knox seems like the perfect solution, especially since, as Shiny says, T-Mobile are honouring warranties regardless of Knox status so long as you return the phone to stock (which again, isn't an unreasonable request, imo). How often is a warranty required on a modern phone anyway? I'm on my seventh Android device, and I've yet to send any of them back.
I actually agree that the GalaxyS5 will be the last phone I will ever purchase from Samsung, and it's mostly because of Knox...However my main issue with Knox isn't that you cant root anymore without tripping the counters, but that Samsung decided to remove one of the most useful features that Android has ever added to the OS, MULTIUSER MODE.
Samsung had Multiuser Mode on the 4.4.4 builds but "hid" it and could only be enabled again with an Xposed Module. Once the Lollipop Roms were released they completely stripped it out, only to add it back in the form of "My Knox" which you cant even install when it detects that you've tripped the flash counters. But since this phone is now over 2 years old i've just switched over to an AOSP ROM that has Multiuser mode again.
So yeah, the GS5 is the last Samsung smartphone I will ever willingly purchase, but thats only because Samsung does dumb things like not making phones anymore with a removable battery + SD card slot + My Knox bull****. Tripping the flash counters doesn't matter anymore.
I spoke with the T-Mobile helpdesk a few days ago about a connectivity issue with one of our GS5s. It's a CPO device with a 90 day warranty. The problem was the connection with the tower which he reset, but before we'd diagnosed it, I asked him what my warranty situation was since there were 60 days left, but I'd rooted the phone. He confirmed exactly what Shinyside said, that they'd honour the warranty despite that, so long as I returned the phone to stock before sending it back, which includes reinstalling the original recovery image. To T-Mobile, at least, Knox doesn't matter.
molitar said:
I am so ****ing sick of this bull**** knox! I am ****ing stuck with 4.4.2 since I can not root without tripping ****ing knox! All I want root for is to use Titanium Backup, SU, and Busybox!
I'm fed up with Samsung and do not understand why people continue to buy there crap when they are definitely hateful against rooting!
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Samsung S5 will also be the last Samsung phone I buy (unless it is another S5) for 2 main reasons -- Galaxy S6 has a sealed battery and no microSD slot. Galaxy S7 gave back the microSD slot, but still leaves the battery non-swappable. Those are the 2 features that had me as a hardcore Samsung Galaxy fan. as soon as those went away so did my fandom. There are other vendors out there that have high end models of phones (*ehrm* LG) containing those features I prefer.
My suggestion for you is this: Wait your 3 months (2 now) and do your update to MM. But really, knox trip count is pretty pointless as far as T-Mobile is concerned. They don't care as long as you are running a stock unrooted/unmodified OS on your phone which are readily available off of sammobile - or here.
Until I got the S5, I would have agreed with you about the battery. However, running Marshmallow on the S5, the battery life is so good that I can't see that I'll have any need for a second battery anymore, and the original battery on my S4 is still fine after 2 or 3 years, so I don't have any worries about its longevity either. I was looking wistfully at the S7 the guy next to me at the buying the other day in the store..... Once they're on CPO for $200, I might well be tempted!
I agree with others about the S5 being my last Samsung as well unless I see the swappable battery and microsd.
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So, I have the sch-i545 with the me7 update. It was preinstalled on my replacement phone so there was nothing I could do to prevent this predicament(other than not breaking my phone and needing a replacement in the first place...boo) Anyways, I have been considering replacing this phone one way or another and I was looking for any advice from the community here at XDA on a suitable replacement. I love the seemingly endless power of this device and don't really want anything less. I have heard a few things about the Note 3 but I was wondering if that would even be worth getting due to the way Samsung and Verizon are cracking down on locking their bootloaders. Will the Note 3 have this same problem? Are there any similarly powered phones comparable to the s4? Money is definitely an object for this endeavor so keep that in mind. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Sucks to hear you had me7 pre-installed. The only suggestion I can make is do an insurance claim and said you lost the device. When you get a replacement, if the replacement has the mdk firmware, root it fast and set it up. Then say a good samaritan returned your phone. This will at least allow for you to have a clean esn and you can sell the phone if you don't want it.
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I've got no suggestions for a phone that's out right now that is better.
If root and recovery are attainable on the Note 3 I will be buying it when it comes out. No reason for me to get a phone I can't build things for. But the note 3 sounds like it's going to be disgustingly fast and perfect in every way... unless it never gets root and recovery. :good:
I'd like an unlocked bootloader but that alone won't stop me from buying it.
Customs roms are cool and all. But when I had my gs3 root was enough for me. I didnt even run a custom launcher because Tw was responsive enough imo and had basically every feature I wanted in a launcher, about the only thing I wanted was the ability to create folders in the app drawer. I had ran the phone stock rooted for close to a year before installing synergy on it, then my wife got it when I upgraded to the gs4. I know this probably isnt an answer you wanted to read but I wanted to throw in my .02 about only having root.
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Root alone is alright with me for now but I really would like to run a custom recovery on my phone so I can get back on the Hyperdrive ROM. Call it laziness but there are some mods that I really don't enjoy going through all the work of manually applying them when flashing is so much easier/quicker. I have been researching the Ubuntu Edge which looks promising. The Note 3 looks incredible and if I can find a buyer for my s4 I will likely be switching regardless of the bootloader/recovery situation.
I thought that i was going to stay with my GS4 for awhile, since I decided that i didn't want to spend money every time a new phone came out. But out of curiousity, i chatted with Sprint to see how much credit they were giving for a GS4. They stated that they were only giving $135.00 credit trade in value on the GS4, but i was browsing Best Buy Mobile, and they gave me $310.00 for my GS4! So, out of pocket expense with upgrade was $40.00 + tax (roughly $25.00), came out to be $65.00 out of pocket expense...i couldn't say no and took the deal since i didn't want my trade in value to decrease later on.
But here I am, new phone (which i love - but if you have a Note 2, i am not sure the upgrade to the Note 3 is worth it) and i want to root & flash badly. Knox, however, is making me think twice about doing so. How many of you are rooting it anyways? I saw a root method that won't trigger the Knox flash counter, but flashing a rom would, which is the main reason i would want to root anyways.
I was running Beanstalk 4.3 on my GS4, and it was faster than my Note 3 (completely stock at the moment), and the battery life was pretty good, i could go a full day, with about 4 hours on screen time. I can only imagine the results would be better if i do the same for my Note 3.
So how many of you have taken the plunge and rooted + rom'd? Aside from void of the warranty, are their any other drawbacks from tampering with Knox?
I want to badly, but just wanted to see if it has adversely affected anyone who already has.
Thanks,
JD
Honestly I am not rooted (although every day it gets harder and harder not to) but not because of warentee but rather because of all the problems people are having. . From force closing to root disappearing for no reason. I don't feel we know enough about the ramifications to the inner workings of what Knox is doing.
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jdizzle316 said:
I thought that i was going to stay with my GS4 for awhile, since I decided that i didn't want to spend money every time a new phone came out. But out of curiousity, i chatted with Sprint to see how much credit they were giving for a GS4. They stated that they were only giving $135.00 credit trade in value on the GS4, but i was browsing Best Buy Mobile, and they gave me $310.00 for my GS4! So, out of pocket expense with upgrade was $40.00 + tax (roughly $25.00), came out to be $65.00 out of pocket expense...i couldn't say no and took the deal since i didn't want my trade in value to decrease later on.
But here I am, new phone (which i love - but if you have a Note 2, i am not sure the upgrade to the Note 3 is worth it) and i want to root & flash badly. Knox, however, is making me think twice about doing so. How many of you are rooting it anyways? I saw a root method that won't trigger the Knox flash counter, but flashing a rom would, which is the main reason i would want to root anyways.
I was running Beanstalk 4.3 on my GS4, and it was faster than my Note 3 (completely stock at the moment), and the battery life was pretty good, i could go a full day, with about 4 hours on screen time. I can only imagine the results would be better if i do the same for my Note 3.
So how many of you have taken the plunge and rooted + rom'd? Aside from void of the warranty, are their any other drawbacks from tampering with Knox?
I want to badly, but just wanted to see if it has adversely affected anyone who already has.
Thanks,
JD
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There is a method now to root without tripping KNOX, it involves flashing back to Stock MI3 firmware and something something KNOX binary counter gets reset to 0x0. Custom ROM will still trip the counter. Essentially you could run Stock with root access on MI3 and even flash the hotspot fix mod.
Don't root or modify your device if you even think twice about the warranty, you're taking a risk by flashing via ODIN and Recovery and you will be responsible for any potential damage to your phone, if you're within your 14 return period chances are they'll take it back no questions asked.
Root access, custom ROMs, themes, mods/fixes/improvements, battery and performance optimizations, debloated apps, free tethering... There are just so many reasons to root and not a lot of reasons not to.
I've removed all the KNOX files from my system, device still runs fine. The Knox counter was tripped as shows 0x1 but I don't care, what does that even do? KNOX is just a security system implemented for whatever reason, a minor annoyance that will soon have complete workarounds.
Just a warning though, some people do experience issues, from "force closing apps" to "soft-bricking" ... Just follow the directions listed on the OP of the developer thread exactly as they're listed and you should be okay.
Thanks for the info!!!
I've always rooted all my other phones, and i guess you're right!
Knox, being new is just a little intimidating. May I ask if you rooted via the method without tripping the counter? Also, did you flash a rom or did you debloat yourself?
Thanks for your time and advice
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There is a method now to root without tripping KNOX, it involves flashing back to Stock MI3 firmware and something something KNOX binary counter gets reset to 0x0. Custom ROM will still trip the counter. Essentially you could run Stock with root access on MI3 and even flash the hotspot fix mod.
Don't root or modify your device if you even think twice about the warranty, you're taking a risk by flashing via ODIN and Recovery and you will be responsible for any potential damage to your phone, if you're within your 14 return period chances are they'll take it back no questions asked.
Root access, custom ROMs, themes, mods/fixes/improvements, battery and performance optimizations, debloated apps, free tethering... There are just so many reasons to root and not a lot of reasons not to.
I've removed all the KNOX files from my system, device still runs fine. The Knox counter was tripped as shows 0x1 but I don't care, what does that even do? KNOX is just a security system implemented for whatever reason, a minor annoyance that will soon have complete workarounds.
Just a warning though, some people do experience issues, from "force closing apps" to "soft-bricking" ... Just follow the directions listed on the OP of the developer thread exactly as they're listed and you should be okay.
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jdizzle316 said:
Thanks for the info!!!
I've always rooted all my other phones, and i guess you're right!
Knox, being new is just a little intimidating. May I ask if you rooted via the method without tripping the counter? Also, did you flash a rom or did you debloat yourself?
Thanks for your time and advice
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I rooted and installed JellyBomb right away because performance>warranty to me. I have been having some of The connectivity issues others have mentioned, they are the same worth our without root. All in all, I, m glad I rooted.
Good info on the knox free root here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2484095
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We now have MI5!!!
jdizzle316 said:
Thanks for the info!!!
I've always rooted all my other phones, and i guess you're right!
Knox, being new is just a little intimidating. May I ask if you rooted via the method without tripping the counter? Also, did you flash a rom or did you debloat yourself?
Thanks for your time and advice
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You're welcome.
I rooted with the CF-AutoRoot method that tripped the KNOX binary counter.
Initially I flashed freeza's Deodexed Stock ROM and debloated it myself.
I posted a thread in the "General" category called "Potentially" Safe to Freeze/Remove Apps (SM-N900P)
I was not quite satisfied with stock and wanted a bit more, backed up everything and flashed JellyBomb ROM. No regrets. This ROM is awesome and just keeps getting better.
Sent from my Rooted, TWRP'd & JellyBombed SM-N900P using XDA...
I waited all of a day to root and have had no issues other than a bluetooth problem which turned out to be a problem with my Alpine. Haven't looked back and am looking forward to some new ROMs.(at the very least a Sprint 1X 3G mod) I have a warranty through squaretrade so the factory one doesn't bother me.
did you go the route of not tripping the Knox counter, or the other method (CF)?
Thanks, I'm just trying to gather as much info as i can before i take the dive myself....not having root/custom rom is killin me!
appreciate the input, thank you
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I waited all of a day to root and have had no issues other than a bluetooth problem which turned out to be a problem with my Alpine. Haven't looked back and am looking forward to some new ROMs.(at the very least a Sprint 1X 3G mod) I have a warranty through squaretrade so the factory one doesn't bother me.
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The only thing available when I did mine was CF. My counter is tripped. My theory is the Knox counter is more of a thing for a corporate IT department to verify security. I've only seen one foreign post where the person was supposedly told it would void the phone warranty. My Motorola X explicitly stated it will void the warranty when I unlocked the boot loader and I would think Samsung would do the same when put intov download mode. That's just my opinion though
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piaa_nissan said:
The only thing available when I did mine was CF. My counter is tripped. My theory is the Knox counter is more of a thing for a corporate IT department to verify security. I've only seen one foreign post where the person was supposedly told it would void the phone warranty. My Motorola X explicitly stated it will void the warranty when I unlocked the boot loader and I would think Samsung would do the same when put intov download mode. That's just my opinion though
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Have you had any issues. . I am not concerned about the warrantee but I am worried about all the issues people have had. . Losing root, selinux issues etc. . What has your experience been?
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As I said in my original post, no issues. YMMV
I'm rooted, running stock, loving the phone. My only issue was that I couldn't get 5 rows of icons on my home screens to maximize real estate... so I ventured for the first time into launchers, and I'm very happy with Nova right now.
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I'm rooted, running stock, loving the phone. My only issue was that I couldn't get 5 rows of icons on my home screens to maximize real estate... so I ventured for the first time into launchers, and I'm very happy with Nova right now.
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Nova and Apex are considered the best.
Hello everyone. When I started enjoying smartphones, my first love was with HTC. After some time of quality issues across many of their phones, I made the switch to Samsung. I must say, while I was always impressed with Samsung during the warranty period, it became clear to me that the phones don't hold up much longer than that... and in the case of my S5, made several visits to the repair shop during its warranty period.
My question is this. Should I even give the LG consideration? The G3 has been around a while now so there should be some good input at this point. Am I just trading one evil for another? Or is there much more to look forward to if I make the switch? Also, how difficult is it to root? And if I root, is it possible to undo that so there is no trace in case I need to send it in for warranty?
I would especially like the opinion of folks who have played with both the G3 and the Samsung line.
Thanks in advance.
I love the G3. Performance wise it's a beast. It was a pain to root. I even bricked it once in the process but was lucky enough to fix it. If you plan on unrooting it and rerooting it every time something goes wrong with the phone, then I highly recommend you stick with Samsung. Your life will be easier.
I've had both, g3, to me, is easier to root. Root with stump root app, but you must downgrade, using flashtool, to zv4 1st if your phone came with zv6. After that you just flash bumped version of TWRP using flashify app or ADB. I quit Samsung because of KNOX. One false move with downgrading boot loader accidentally, phone is toast. I have softbricked my g3 numerous times, used flashtool Every time to get out of trouble. As far as unrooting goes, use flashtool once again. Not sure if boot loader counts mods like Samsung tho.
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Hi All,
A lot of phones these days, especially Samsung ones (S3 and up, Note 3 and up etc) and potentially Nexus devices of the future will probably come with KNOX installed.
For those that don't know, KNOX is an enterprise feature for businesses developed by Samsung and Google that allows them to sandbox or section off their apps from yours in a BYOD type scenario, its also relevant for Samsung and i *think* google wallet in that it will stop you using them although i could be wrong about the latter (google wallet).
KNOX has a security check which once tripped cannot normally be unset and is triggered by root, once triggered KNOX will not work, even if you go back to complete stock.
This means that if you want root, or to install a custom ROM, use Xposed etc your not going to be able to do so without PERMANENTLY changing the KNOX bit.
Most of us probably wont use KNOX, but i did wonder if there is any hit on the devices with tripped KNOX in relation to resale value, for example on the S3's and Note 3's and above has it been an issue selling on?
I've got an HTC One M8 at the moment, without KNOX, rooted and Xposed installed and am eyeing an S6 which does have KNOX, but likewise i dont want to buy something i cant sell on.
Has anyone had problems selling a KNOX tripped phone, do buyers see it as an issue or not care due to its limited use? What's your thinking on it?
I cannot even find any information on this device let alone a root method. Apparently from my searches methods for the zenphone may work but im not sure if I want to risk bricking this device, but verizon would just replace it anyway. I guess its fairly new? It came with MM and already has an OTA which i keep putting off while I am going to try out various methods to get this one rooted and unleashed since one verizon store essentially scammed me over my new s7 edge so another store refunded everything for me. Now I got this 4g tablet I want to fasten in my car and it would be nice to root or unlock and put some custom vehicle firmware on it or something like that.
I have the same issue with my new Zenpad 3 8.0 . KingRoot and some other rooting apps didn't work for me.
At least someone finally replies.... I am still stuck trying to root this thing. I've tried nearly everything to no success. Even the temporary cwm wouldn't work for me
Same here buddy. Why did ASUS remove such features as App to SD and multi user support?
Anyone found anything? I have the tablet too...
Well damn this sux, Verizon stuck me with another unrootable device, at least I can say I got my pixel in time to unlock the bootloader and route it but not much activity for it since decided to lock them down. I thought I learned with my G4 that's why I got the pixel got home just to find out they're going to be locked down too lol Oh God how I loath Verizon
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Well damn this sux, Verizon stuck me with another unrootable device, at least I can say I got my pixel in time to unlock the bootloader and route it but not much activity for it since decided to lock them down. I thought I learned with my G4 that's why I got the pixel got home just to find out they're going to be locked down too lol Oh God how I loath Verizon
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I hear ya. I have this tablet too: Asus Verizon Zenpad Z8 ZT581KL with V.3.4.23. Despite my best efforts, the damn system update notification keeps coming up telling me to update to Android 7--which I DO NOT want to do since doing that very well could kill any small hope I have on rooting the device. Since this is a Verizon branded tablet, they made an agreement with Asus to lock it down like Gitmo, so any official bootloader unlocker will not work with Verizon. Maybe one day when Verizon get's their head out of their ass and understands that people have the right to screw with their phones, they will allow unlocking options--though I doubt it.
This would be a great little tablet, if Verizon gave us more control over it--Jesus Christ, you're still getting $$ from me on your non-unlimited data. Bunch of ****-tards---I used to work for them back in the day at one of their corporate locations in Folsom, CA. Sadly, I think it's that prison mentality (Folsom Prison) that must have been carried in the air a few miles to the Verizon offices there. That was WDTS (Wireless Data Tech Support)....I was there right when EVDO just came out/expanding (Before Iphones...closest thing would have been a BES-Enabled Blackberry, or a fancy PDA)--oh those were the days...
There are rooting options available if you understand Chinese--but even its for older software versions 3.3.x, etc, and from what I can understand, the flash might actually take (hackers take note: if the flash can take..maybe we can piece together a flash with proper rooted versions)...but since this is a Sim/LTE tablet by doing that it will screw up the radio (Cellular) and recovery partitions. But maybe something round-about could be done that does that, then reflashes modified signed firmware to root it--I dunno.
My google-fu is pretty good and I came across some cached, or snippet that said SRSroot might root 6.0.1 on the ZT581KL, but not sure now legit it is.
Unless more people get this tablet/devs play with it, I don't think we will get root/bootloader/recovery anytime soon. I wish I lived in a country that allowed multiple wifes, because I would do a bounty for root on this devices and give away one of my wives for payment.
I used the tablet mostly for navigation, but I want root/twrp for backup purposes, if I need to wipe the device crossing the border since police now wanting to look at peoples phones/tablets. I love using Waze since I'll be driving down the road with a FAT blunt smoking away, so it's good to know if cops are around.
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I also have this pad. I bought it from Verizon because it's USB-C and I loathe micro USB and even more so because the helpful sales guy at Verizon let me try my Google Fi data only sim...and sure enough it works awesome after setting h2g2 as the apn. Would love to root it though I hate how I can only have one user account on this for now.
Kind of off-topic, but I can't find any clear answer to my question about the Z8 and Z8s. I'm considering buying one, but I do not want a data-plan. Do these tablets work without a SIM in them, or will I be stuck at a home screen that says "Insert SIM..."?
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Kind of off-topic, but I can't find any clear answer to my question about the Z8 and Z8s. I'm considering buying one, but I do not want a data-plan. Do these tablets work without a SIM in them, or will I be stuck at a home screen that says "Insert SIM..."?
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Of course you can use it without a SIM.
I just ordered this tablet. I'm sad I can't root it, but I mainly use root for adblocking. I will have to use DNS66 or BlockThis instead.
This method doesn't work?
https://neopodapsi.com/how-to-root-asus-zenpad-z8/
replica9000 said:
This method doesn't work?
Nope, just a scam to fill out never ending surveys
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Zenpad P008 Verizon root - no luck
I just tried One Click Root and that didn't work either. Upon chatting with support they were stymied by the lack of an 'OEM Override' debug mode setting.
Can anybody help, I'm new at this stuff. Plus I'm teaching myself. I've rooted some devices. Did some firmware jobs, kinda' familiar with Odin. But I've tried everything from KingRoot PC to adb tryna' root this thing (P008). Between this thing and that Knox MDM shizzle. Man!, Anybody got anything on these topics......
Anyone try Magisk?? I also want to root this thing. Cannot get a usb gaming controller to recognize either.