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Discussion: "Is the device will be supported by the community?"
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I am willing to buy new LG G2 , this is no question but a discussion.
The main reason why I have misgivings is : "Is there will be a community to develop with?"
I came from samsung smartphones as S2 and S4, those are known with a variety of community support for roms and other forms of open-source development. Is the G2 will be the same? this question is coming with every new smartphone.
Just to clarify, "Supported by the community" - roms,kernerls and so on.
In my opinion, smartphone is not only hardware or software but the community with it, specially in Android.
Is the G2 will be supported by the community?
What do you think?
This phone has bleeding edge internals. It will be a beast for a long time to come. Even when new flagship devices come out. Everyone who has one loves it. Battery life is great. Processor is pretty great. Screen is incredible. Camera is incredible. Everything about it will match any release for at least the Next 6-9 months. It got root and a debloated stock ROM in it's first week. I can pretty much guarantee it will continue to get support. I'd bet on it.
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Support is pretty impressive for the time its been out. Once the N5 drops we'll see about aosp builds.
Given LG's sales figures - I see a lot of support in the near future. Pretty much every top device in the last year has had AOSP-based ROMs and a bit of development. (Given the bootloader is easy to get around.)
I think community strength will come by buying the phone early. And protecting from OTA. If people wait around they may stay shopping them patched against Loki. Its not a wise move to tarry.
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I am assuming we will see this on the LG G3 evetually.
Stuff is in here
HA!
EVOKeith said:
I am assuming we will see this on the LG G3 evetually.
Stuff is in here
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Only if the devs decide that the LG G3 is worthy. Let me explain. I just got off the phone with LG and they said they don't support any software (Android) for their phones. They said to call my carrier to find out if there are updates. I asked them about newer versions of Android and they said I would need to talk to the carrier. So I am going to call the carrier and I almost bet that they will say I need to talk to LG. I am calling Sprint now to find out if that is true.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Only if the devs decide that the LG G3 is worthy. Let me explain. I just got off the phone with LG and they said they don't support any software (Android) for their phones. They said to call my carrier to find out if there are updates. I asked them about newer versions of Android and they said I would need to talk to the carrier. So I am going to call the carrier and I almost bet that they will say I need to talk to LG. I am calling Sprint now to find out if that is true.
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The G3 will get 5.0 don't be ridiculous. Full source for 5.0 isn't even out yet and you're already calling LG and Sprint.
How a member since 2010 could not know this blows my mind.
You're doing nothing but wasting your own time.
bmtdan said:
The G3 will get 5.0 don't be ridiculous. Full source for 5.0 isn't even out yet and you're already calling LG and Sprint.
How a member since 2010 could not know this blows my mind.
You're doing nothing but wasting your own time.
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First of all I did not call them to find out when they were going to upgrade to 5.0, I am not an idiot. The reason I called is because, since I have owned this device I have not received one update for this phone. I also red in an article that the LG G3 was supposed to get a 4.4.4 update by the end of September.
http://www.androidsas.com/2014/09/lg-g3-to-get-android-444-kitkat-update.html
So while I was on the phone with LG customer service they proceeded to pass the buck to Sprint and Google as if they are not the ones who deal with their own Android updates.
A provider or MFG will not randomly give out information regarding updates. Don't be naive.
Samsung's L version is already in the works and been leaked. LG is obviously developing it's version. I would imagine it will be released by the end of the year. Sprint is usually pretty good at pushing updates to the current year's flagships.
Never knowing LGS update track record
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Stumped and bumped, screw sprint and LG!
Netstalker2009 said:
First of all I did not call them to find out when they were going to upgrade to 5.0, I am not an idiot. The reason I called is because, since I have owned this device I have not received one update for this phone. I also red in an article that the LG G3 was supposed to get a 4.4.4 update by the end of September.
http://www.androidsas.com/2014/09/lg-g3-to-get-android-444-kitkat-update.html
So while I was on the phone with LG customer service they proceeded to pass the buck to Sprint and Google as if they are not the ones who deal with their own Android updates.
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All of that aside, the idea that any front-line support staff from any company is going to have that kind of detailed information from the developers and engineering is just ludicrous. Frontline techs know exactly what is written in their scripts on the computer and nothing more. Why would you even waste time asking them that?
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First of all I did not call them to find out when they were going to upgrade to 5.0, I am not an idiot. The reason I called is because, since I have owned this device I have not received one update for this phone. I also red in an article that the LG G3 was supposed to get a 4.4.4 update by the end of September.
http://www.androidsas.com/2014/09/lg-g3-to-get-android-444-kitkat-update.html
So while I was on the phone with LG customer service they proceeded to pass the buck to Sprint and Google as if they are not the ones who deal with their own Android updates.
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Just a heads up. The customer service rep from LG was just blowing smoke up your ass either because they didn't know or you came across like an ass and they wanted you off the phone.
The way it works is as follows:
Google makes the OS and sends it to the manufactures (LG, Samsung, HTC) where they tweak it for their devices and put in any overlays (Touchwiz, Blur, Sense) before sending it to the carrier. The carrier then tests said OS\devices on their netywork while adding their own bloatware.
IF everything tests with in their liking they will release to the public IF NOT then it goes back to the manufacturer for more tweaking. Wash rinse repeat until you get it.
You can call Sprint and LG support all you like and will likely get different answers depending on who you talk to BUT regardless of who you speak with none of them have a clue at the call center of what is happening when.
Their job is to read a script and do a profile update or whatever is all and then pass it along if they can't get you off the line.
Welcome to smart phones and carriers 101.
The only reason I want LG and Sprint to have an l version someday is we will have a decent build for the devs to take apart. I'm sure there gonna take there time.
This will be on Sprint. And Sprint is VERY slow to roll out any updates. Don't expect it any time soon, unless they feel like they should keep up on their flagship device.
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This will be on Sprint. And Sprint is VERY slow to roll out any updates. Don't expect it any time soon, unless they feel like they should keep up on their flagship device.
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Installed lollipop on my nexus 5, damn is so smooth and all the animations looks really cool, cant wait to see it on the G3, after using my G3 for sometime the nexus feels too small.
Posted by android authority news today
The arrival of a new Android OS version leaves us all asking one big question – will my device receive the update?
To help narrow down your search we have put together a master list of all the devices which will be receiving Android Lollipop at some point in the future. We’ll be updating the list regularly, so if you find a source that confirms another handset will be lucky enough to receive Lollipop, please do let us know.
Without further delay:
HTC
HTC has been pretty open about its update policy and announced that it would be bringing Android Lollipop to its HTC One range within 90 days of the OS’ launch. A leaked roadmap also suggests that Lollipop will be heading to a number of other handsets.
One (M8) – confirmed by HTC
One (M7) – confirmed by HTC
One Mini 2
One Mini – confirmed by HTC
One E8
One Max
Butterfly S
Desire 816
Desire 610
LG
LG has remained tight lipped about its update plans, although numerous sources suggests that its G3 and G2 flagships are in-line for an update at some point. Other devices remain unknown for now.
G3 – rumored but unconfirmed
G2 – rumored but unconfirmed
Motorola
Following the announcement of the Nexus 6, Motorola confirmed that its recent range of handsets would all recieve an update to Lollipop. The following have all been confirmed directly by Motorola.
Moto X (1st Gen. & 2nd Gen.)
Moto G (1st Gen. & 2nd Gen.)
Moto G with 4G LTE
Moto E
Droid Ultra, Droid Maxx, and Droid Mini
Nexus
After releasing details on its new Nexus devices, Google confirmed that handsets and tablets going back to the Nexus 4 would be receiving Lollipop. The latest reports suggest that an OTA update is scheduled for November 3rd 2014.
The Nexus 4, 5, 7 (WiFi & LTE), and Nexus 10 have all been confirmed by Google and the Nexus 6 and 9 will ship with the latest OS. Google mentioned that GPE handsets would also be among the first to receive an update.
OnePlus
With just one handset to maintain, the OnePlus One will see Lollipop within 3 months of the OS’ release.
OnePlus One – confirmed by OnePlus
Samsung
Just like LG, Samsung hasn’t given out any official information regarding handset updates. The only hint we’ve seen of Android 5.0 on a Samsung device comes from a leaked preview build running on the Galaxy S5.
Galaxy S5 – leaked preview
Sony
Sony has announced that it will be bringing Android 5.0 to all Xperia Z devices, not just its flagships. All of the following have been confirmed by Sony, although a timeframe has not been listed.
Xperia Z3
Xperia Z3 Compact
Xperia Z3 Tablet Compact
Xperia Z3v
Xperia Z2
Xperia Z1
Xperia Z1 Compact
Xperia Z
Xperia Tablet Z
Xperia Z Ultra
Xperia ZL
Xperia ZR
Android One
The Karbonn Sparkle V, Micromax Canvas A1, and Spice Dream Uno will receive Android Lollipop “soon” after the full launch of the new version.
Karbonn Sparkle V – guaranteed by Google
Micromax Canvas A1 – guaranteed by Google
Spice Dream Uno – guaranteed by Google
We’ll be updating the list with the latest news when we hear it, so stick this page in your bookmarks. If you have any questions or want to send us a tip about Lollipop updates, head on over to our forums and drop us a line.
I wish LG would take a hint from HTC and Sony when it comes to developer support. HTC learned from their mistakes and Sony has really impressed me(too bad xperia isnt on Sprint).
In any case, LG has gotten better with their updates but Sprint is still slow imo. And when I say better I mean the rumor mill was rampant back on my Lg Optimus G. 4.1.2 was the last update that phone had even though rumors of 4.4 were everywhere for months.
The only reason I want an official 5.0 is for a reason that was already stated(and the same reason I wanted one on the lgog) - a solid base for the devs to work their magic with.
But being on xda does make it a bit of a moot point, the devs will cook something up much sooner then LG/Sprint. Really I just feel bad for those poor fools who have never used xda - they're stuck with whatever they got and have no idea of all the awesome things goin on - or even the true power of the G3.
unrly said:
This will be on Sprint. And Sprint is VERY slow to roll out any updates. Don't expect it any time soon, unless they feel like they should keep up on their flagship device.
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Sprint has usually been the first ones to release updates compared to the other 3 carries.
And this is why Android gets such a bad rap, if the carriers would take their blinders off and just let the manufacturers update their phones, things wouldnt be so bad. Instead we have to wait for 40 things to happen before our phones get updated to the latest version. Google letting android go to anyone is really what the problem was, licensing out the OS and then letting everyone do what they want with it has really slowed down updates to a crawl. Its honestly getting really stupid and I hope (not that I'm an apple fan by any stretch) that Google eventually just goes the way Apple did and make their OS required to be vanilla on any device that uses it, no more Touchwiz or Blinkfeed or anything else. All those things do is require everyone to get Googles update, tinker with things a bunch until that update now works with their crap overlays and apps and THEN have to worry about the carrier "allowing" the update after all of that is done, its really ridiculous and in this sense, Apple did things right. Google needs to get this under control, when only 25% of your user base is actually on KitKat, its no wonder Apple does so well with the devices and their OS.
So now I get to sit and wait months and months for a proper 5.0 update. Its great that XDA can probably get some things going before that ever hits, but nothing is better than a good ROM designed after the official update
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And this is why Android gets such a bad rap, if the carriers would take their blinders off and just let the manufacturers update their phones, things wouldnt be so bad. Instead we have to wait for 40 things to happen before our phones get updated to the latest version. Google letting android go to anyone is really what the problem was, licensing out the OS and then letting everyone do what they want with it has really slowed down updates to a crawl. Its honestly getting really stupid and I hope (not that I'm an apple fan by any stretch) that Google eventually just goes the way Apple did and make their OS required to be vanilla on any device that uses it, no more Touchwiz or Blinkfeed or anything else. All those things do is require everyone to get Googles update, tinker with things a bunch until that update now works with their crap overlays and apps and THEN have to worry about the carrier "allowing" the update after all of that is done, its really ridiculous and in this sense, Apple did things right. Google needs to get this under control, when only 25% of your user base is actually on KitKat, its no wonder Apple does so well with the devices and their OS.
So now I get to sit and wait months and months for a proper 5.0 update. Its great that XDA can probably get some things going before that ever hits, but nothing is better than a good ROM designed after the official update
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The problem with your post is this.
If Google kept android to themselves then they would be JUST like APPLE. If HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola or any other android device ran the same vanilla style then every phone would basically be the same. That's why Samsung, HTC, LG, and every other implement things like Touch wiz, Blur or what have you. That way they are not the same and it gives every person a choice unlike Crapple
The bloatware we could all live without
What do you guys think will happen to XTE as a result of this news? Multiple articles have the same info so I don't think it's fake. Could this mean we will lose a major competitor in the US market?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ling-to-chinese-phone-maker-zte-idUSKBN1HN1P1
It doesn't seem fake sadly. Androidpolice said the same : https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/04/16/new-us-ban-zte-means-might-not-axon-8/
I was just about to post a thread on this as well, but you were faster
Anyway, if this will really be for next 7 years, then there won't be an axon successor or at least not a good one, since mediatek is still lacking behind. Although they are getting better at every year on making processors. Its still sad news tho
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Oh no, that's not good. And here I was thinking of getting an Axon 9. Guess I'll continue to play the waiting game to she what ZTE says about this.
https://www.androidcentral.com/zte-banned-using-us-based-hardware-or-software-its-products
This means no more Axon successor as expected with Snapdragon. It also means a crippled Android with no license to Google services. It effectively means no Axon 9 and the end of ZTE's business in its current form.
For current devices they can't release any updates that include license to Google's apps and services. Won't see official Oreo now unless they remove all the Google licensing.
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Well that's ****ty. I can't say I feel sorry for a company that agrees to legal terms and doesn't abide by them.
Very disappointed with this.
If it does kill Oreo for A7 I will look at unlocking and rooting mine, make changes and un-root.
Someone at ZTE should "leak" the update and sources before **** fully hits the fan.....
This is a showstopper.
Perhaps we will find very cheap 2nd hand ZTEs in a near future...
Regards
ZTE does not only disappoint itself, but also their customers. Great job, guess I can avoid this company now.
As someone mentioned above, I sure as hell hope someone leaks the update because we have waited a long time for this and it was almost complete in the third round of testing. All of the effort put into developing the update would be wasted if they decide not to release it, not to mention all the customers it would disappoint.
I have owned Android devices since 2012 and the Axon 7 has been the biggest let down for me, unfortunately. I think from now onwards I will only consider Chinese manufacturers with a better reputation like Xiaomi. Maybe I will look at getting the Mi Note 3 since it has such an excellent camera. It would be nice if more manufacturers adopted 120Hz displays like the Razer Phone and iPad Pro.
Calm down...
ZTE is still allowed to sell their products in the USA. And We, europeans exists. USA are not the only market in the world. If ZTE can't use Qualcomm anymore, this is a big problem for Qualcomm and not such a big one for ZTE.
They still can use other processors from other manufacturers.
And I really trust we all gonna have Oreo.
Envoyé de mon ZTE A2017G en utilisant Tapatalk
The current situation with ZTE company is very serious.
All ZTE phone users become collateral damage.
It leaves ZTE’s use of Android in a potential quandary.
The software is released under the open source license,
which means that ZTE can presumably continue to install it on its smartphones and tablets.
However, that doesn’t include Google’s specific apps for Gmail, the Google Play store, Google Maps, and other software.
Use of those is governed by the Mobile Application Distribution Agreement, or MAPA, a contract signed between Google and device OEMs.
Without that agreement – which, it would appear at first glance,
Google would no longer be able to extend to ZTE
under the terms of these sanctions – ZTE’s phones
could not be considered Android certified.
original link:
https://www.slashgear.com/us-hits-zte-with-huge-ban-that-has-ominous-android-implications-16527512/
P.S.
We do not want to stay forever blocked on Android 7
Would this affect lineage os 15.1?
I love my Axon 7, but this could mean I have to jump ship.
This is the result of an American aggressive imperialist policy, innocent victims. It will not be long.
Reuters is reporting at least one analyst that says this may be resolved in 3-5 months:
"But Jefferies also said it expected ZTE would be able to settle with U.S. authorities in three to five months."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...nies-from-selling-to-chinas-zte-idUSKBN1HN1P1
The bottom line is that ZTE has always been cautious to a fault about their US flagships after the Axon 7, probably because the US market takes so many resources and is so hard to compete in. The Axon 7 was an incredible value but failed to become a bona fide hit, and they seem skittish about their commitment to the US even in the best of times. So my guess? An effective 3-5 month ban is better but still may spook them enough to derail Oreo and the Axon 9. It's a shame...
Time to jump to the one plus company ?
Today,
globally and locally
all official ZTE downoad links are removed.
laikexpert said:
Today,
globally and locally
all official ZTE downoad links are removed.
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You've got to be kidding me
EDIT: Looks like I saw on reddit that an Oreo beta tester(reference) said if he gets word on ZTE not releasing Oreo due to the recent issues, he'll leak the 3rd stage Oreo update to let the rest of us get a taste on what it could've been.
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Today,
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all official ZTE downoad links are removed.
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And so it begins, looks like my next phone will be a one plus 6
ZTE want to take the worldwide of mobile, but by the lack of Qualcomm chipset, Gapps, this ambition may be end now.
They may no longer invest in developing anything suitable for global user, or at least Qualcomm compatible rom.
I feel so sad, Axon 7 is a great phone, and ZTE had had potential to produce more great product.
The U.S. has been screwing with ZTE for the past 8 years or so.
2012
60 Minutes episode on Huawei and ZTE (when I first heard of the drama)
U.S. gov't puts down sanctions on ZTE and Huawei. Shuttin' down the studio until they take a picture with a midget holdin' these balloons.
Huawei, ZTE ready to share source codes with India
2013
China’s ZTE Corp. Has A Plan To Defuse U.S. Espionage Concerns ZTE says they'll let U.S. carriers look over their source code before anything is shipped.
2016
U.S. to Provide Temporary Trade Sanction Relief to China’s ZTE Corp.(when we were able to buy our Axon 7's)
2017
This Chinese Company Is Helping U.S. Target North Korea Violators
2018
Shuttin' down the studio again
I was hoping for faster Android 11 update, or at least a beta shortly after the 8/8 Pro, and more devs interested (not knocking the ones doing great work now). It almost feels like the Nord was pushed out, then almost forgotten. The fact the other 2 "nords" are getting just one update also doesn't give me faith for future support. I used to love 1+ but now I'm heavily loosing faith in them.
We get 2 mayor android updates and 3 years security updates. Nord is not affected by those other 2 variants of the low-end Nord`s
Android 11 is now closely tested by users in Slack. We might get A11 end of November or half-way December 2020. As I'm informed.
(ps one buddy of mine got kicked out of the test team, for no reason. So he gave me the latest news couple days ago)
Yes
Yes i am now there is a port of stock dialer for 8t .and not for nord
You also need to understand that all phone manufacturers (don't know about Xiaomi though) behave like that. You can't expect getting 3 or 4 major updates on a mid range phone model. Also getting fast updates (having compiled my own ROMs with my previous phone) is also questionable as you either push them out too soon and people complain about broken peripherals or they come (hopefully well tested but) too late, then people complain why they come so late. Anyways also here the high end phones are getting upgrades earlier as there are people spending more money on the manufacturer's phones
Take it easy, have some patience and enjoy these well performing phones until we will get a notification about Android 11, pretty sure we have more important things to worry about other than getting upgrades (too?) soon
It's nice to have "some" support but it isn't a big deal breaker how long OnePlus keeps maintaining a certain device. If you buy a device with enough XDA community support and the manufacturer stops updating, just start flashing custom roms and go ham I kept my Bacon (OnePlus One) alive for 5 years (!) ( it's running LOS17.1 atm) when I got my Avicii. Or just buy an iPhone
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lol. Let me list the people torn between buying a OnePlus Nord or an iPhone...:
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FWIW, I upgraded from OnePlus 3T, to OnePlus 5T and recently to the OnePlus Nord and loving it. Really happy with the Nord's value and price point. 5G, VoLTE, VoWiFi, Battery Life, etc.
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I was hoping for faster Android 11 update, or at least a beta shortly after the 8/8 Pro, and more devs interested (not knocking the ones doing great work now). It almost feels like the Nord was pushed out, then almost forgotten. The fact the other 2 "nords" are getting just one update also doesn't give me faith for future support. I used to love 1+ but now I'm heavily loosing faith in them.
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Patience is virtue mate, Just because updates are not on time doesn't mean support team is bad,
Mind you, There is a reason the updates are delayed, If updates were given this early without the alpha testers (Which are still ongoing in secret) So called "Community Members" will be screaming out saying "This isn't working" "That isn't working" , So It's better for to stay calm and wait other than being sad over updates are delayed
oh I almost forgot, even though they released the "2 nords" they won't be getting the major updates It was thoroughly mentioned in the news articles.
Oos 11 might come begin Januari 2021. We may not expect another 10.5.10 update, but straight OOS 11.
Source from insider @slack Beta Testers.
Hi, I've had Moto phones like the Razr-i, G4 Play, and G7 Play but am growing unhappy with their limited security updates. I worry more about being up to date with security patches as there is always more news about exploits. I'm not familiar with OnePlus. Are they consistent about security updates? I see a claim of more years of support, but wonder how it works in practice for the budget models. In my experience, Moto has been pretty lackluster in pushing updates even before the 2 year window expires.
Has anybody here also used budget Moto phones and already switched to the N200 5G? How much difference would I find using this phone?
As my username says, I am a light user of Android. I mostly use it to glance at the Google Calendar, Slack notifications, and calls and SMS. I use desktop and laptop computers for most of my regular email, web browsing, etc. But, I've noticed that it is hard to read web pages on a 720 pixel wide screen because it is fuzzy if you scale so that the whole page fits. I also see it stutter, and assume this is because my current phone only has 2GB RAM.
I disable the Google assistant and actually want a phone to be more like an idle pocket computer, not a busy bee trying to be clever and annoying me with suggestions, integrations, etc. I have been able to configure the Moto launcher to be boring like that. Can that be done with the N200 or would I need to install Nova launcher or something?
I use Mint, a T-Mobile MVNO and care about stability for calls with both VoLTE and WiFi Calling. I don't really care about 5G speeds vs LTE but would hope it makes the cell connectivity more stable rather than less?
Thanks for any feedback or real world review!
You'd rather get a pixel 4a for that kind of usage and concerns about security patches, not a oneplus.
Huh... you don't think the N200 will get regular updates? Or are you saying OnePllus doesn't provide good security even if it is up to date? Do you think OnePlus is less secure than Moto or the same?
I feel like the pixels are in a different price bracket.
I'm just gonna point out that OnePlus is a Chinese company, and uses an Android OS variant made in China.
Chinese companies are not exactly known for keeping other countries (or their own) personal data secure (quite the opposite).
Take that how you will.
Hmm, do people think OnePlus is any less secure than Moto? Moto is also a Chinese company (part of Lenovo).
I find this hard to sort out.... those factories have to be trusted to put together the hardware and image the firmware. Even the pixel phones are made there, aren't they? If you go down this path questioning it, why assume that any software update afterwards can secure it, if the origin is murky? :-/
Edit: I've wondered the same thing about used phones and how permanently someone can tamper with it. That's one reason I am buying new budget phones and wondering about the N200 versus the Motos!
I don't mean to take this away to off-topic land. Can anybody report what security patch level they have received with a retail (unlocked) US N200 5G?
And if anybody is using one with T-Mobile or Mint, do you find it to be getting stable network connectivity and calls?
yes, stables calls and connectivity in Los Angeles area with Tmobile. As of the time of this writing its on July Security Patch. If you are worried aobut exploits and want the latest patches it best to just go with a official google supported phone the like Pixel series or a Iphone as they keep up to date with security patches on their latest devices.
In my experiance if you just want it for calls and text and the like you should be ok. I just came off a pixel 3a for this phone and before that I did the samsung s thing and before that the motorola cliq series. Am I totally thrilled with the phone? No, it's a budget phone that runs better than any other budget phone I have seen, however, it is still a budget phone My hope is that as soon as we can get root that the phone will rock due to it actually having decent hardware. So it's more of an expectation thing. Sounds like it will be fine for your use case, Good readability screen and enough horsepower for what your doing.
Hey lightuser, which company are you conducting this "questionnaire" for?
If I may?
Motorola?
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Huh... you don't think the N200 will get regular updates? Or are you saying OnePllus doesn't provide good security even if it is up to date? Do you think OnePlus is less secure than Moto or the same?
I feel like the pixels are in a different price bracket.
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Im saying you want cheap and android and stable security patches? Go with the mother of it all, pixel (not the high-end ones of course).
I got the n200 because of "free" from tmo, it's not what im used to thought. This phone is weak and slow and 5G/wifi speeds suck.
If those basic functions are sooo weak and you oneplus officially said: 1 major upgrade of the OS, you just know this little weak guy doesn't have a long life in the security updates either
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I don't mean to take this away to off-topic land. Can anybody report what security patch level they have received with a retail (unlocked) US N200 5G?
And if anybody is using one with T-Mobile or Mint, do you find it to be getting stable network connectivity and calls?
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I've got the unlocked variant from the OnePlus store. I got an update on August 4th with the July 2021 security patch, so that's what I have now. Before that, I had the 2021-04-01 update.
I'm going to join in and *not* recommend OnePlus for light android users. They don't have a great long-term update policy - see articles like https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/...e-commitment-is-uninspiring-yet-unsurprising/. They also anecdotally don't have a great support team, and don't deal with factory-broken hardware well (for example, the microphone issues with the OnePlus One which left many users without a very inconsistent microphone when making calls on phone speakers or speakerphone).
The reason the community likes OnePlus is not their updates, though. It's the custom ROM community: every OnePlus phone has its ROM released, and has an unlockable bootloader.
What this means is *if you're willing to install a custom ROM*, you're almost guaranteed the community - XDA forums and the like - will provide updates above and beyond the product's lifetime. With this, for example, the OnePlus One, released in 2014, still has new community-based updates today! See threads like https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...1-july-10th-lineageos-17-1-june-11th.3693223/.
This also means you get a guaranteed ability to root the phone, and thus can change and optimize the OS for your usage.
To be clear, if you're willing to use comumunity-produced ROMs, and understand the benefits and drawbocks of that, OnePlus phones are great. Lots of people will be drawn to them, similar to google phones, and you'll get software for into the future at the cost of having to rely on builds provided by strangers on the internet.
If you aren't, or have never installed a custom ROM and would rather not, don't get OnePlus. The three things they've had going for the are: custom ROMs, hardware that's specced above what you'd expect at the price point, and marketing. Software is not their strong suite.
I really like the Nord N200's hardware design, it's great bang-for-buck, and it seems quite sturdy. But people have *already* reported microphone issues when using cases which with OnePlus's track record will probably never be fixed unless you apply the fix yourself as part of a custom ROM, and you won't be happy 2 or 3 years down the road when your options are to run an outdated OS or rely on strangers online to provide custom OS builds with no guaranteed support or bugfixes, and which automatically void your warranty when installed.
enian.doda said:
Im saying you want cheap and android and stable security patches? Go with the mother of it all, pixel (not the high-end ones of course).
I got the n200 because of "free" from tmo, it's not what im used to thought. This phone is weak and slow and 5G/wifi speeds suck.
If those basic functions are sooo weak and you oneplus officially said: 1 major upgrade of the OS, you just know this little weak guy doesn't have a long life in the security updates either
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the ATLEAST "one major update" will probably be a jump to the next major android version, however the " regular maintenance updates" will be the regular security patches that they most likely roll out in a timely fashion as they are known to do usually. It sounds like it will be s supported just like any other oneplus phone in my opinion. The hardware is decent for the price and considering its free from tmobile (cant beat that), its actually runs everything fine including all the games ive played just fine (Call of Duty , CLASH OF CLANS), the only super major weak disaappointment is the camera, considering Xiaomi can make sub $250 budget phones with a impressive budget camera, it puts the N200 camera to shame. I dont know your 5G test environment but in Los Angeles where i am, if i lock onto the same 5G bands as my friends Iphone 12,, i actually get better 5G speeds than my friend who has a Iphone 12 Max. WiFi speeds seem normal to me, but then again i am only 10-15 feet away from the router most of the times.
enian.doda said:
Hey lightuser, which company are you conducting this "questionnaire" for?
If I may?
Motorola?
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Sorry, I'm just a user looking at my G7 Play which says "your software is up to date" and a February patch level, and finding only disappointment when I look at the available replacements and consider how soon I'll see this again...
Thanks all! I guess I am hearing the message that I need to either adjust my belief about what "budget" means (to consider Pixels etc) or accept that security is not included at the budget level...