I'm considering move from Xiaomi kenzo to Xperia Z5 Compact, From gaming & performance perspective. Is it a downgrade?
810 heats a lot
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Also waterproofing tends to make the phone running hotter than normal, so keep an eye on that. But performance wise, I think it is an updrade. You won't see a dramatic difference cause the 650 is lag free on its own.
S650 doesn't heat at all, when S810 is a heater (useful on winter ) + for S650
S650 has 28nm manufacturing processes, S810 has 20nm + for S810
S650 is little bit faster then S810 (4xA57 vs 2xA72) + for S650
So.. Nope for Z5 Compact?
Read reviews if both devices, consider what's important to you, like battery life, camera performance, size, weight, etc.
From a SOC perspective only, SD810 is a downgrade from SD650 in my opinion.
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I got both socs mentioned courtesy of lg flex 2 and of course rn3pro. I think there pretty much the same with the 810 having better gpu performance.
As far as heat, they both get warm running antutu or high demanding games, they both run cool when browsing, facebook etc
personally I'd go with a sd820/821 if you want more performance
glock24 said:
Read reviews if both devices, consider what's important to you, like battery life, camera performance, size, weight, etc.
From a SOC perspective only, SD810 is a downgrade from SD650 in my opinion.
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I'm searching for gaming performance.
You will hate the battery, I went from a Z5C to a 3S now on a Note 3 Kate. I would not go back.
Go for the zuk z2 plus sd 820 on a budget or get the mi 5s it has sd821 and it should be the best for gaming and heavy tasks. Seriously i do bot recommend u to go for sd 810 i used it on my nexus 6p and it heated up quite a bit go for the above devices they should be the best.
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Hello friends,
i want to buy HTC One X+ but it's Heating issues let me down about thinking to buy it... Please if any htc one x+ experienced user please give you review regarding heating while playing games ? while watching movie any issue ? with heating ?
Please help me...i want to buy...so i want to clear all doubts... is it possible using some software limitations we can control hardware heating ?
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Hello friends,
i want to buy HTC One X+ but it's Heating issues let me down about thinking to buy it... Please if any htc one x+ experienced user please give you review regarding heating while playing games ? while watching movie any issue ? with heating ?
Please help me...i want to buy...so i want to clear all doubts... is it possible using some software limitations we can control hardware heating ?
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The heat issue is real HOWEVER, I watch movies, I play games for hours on, and I keep my screen on for god knows how long, and I can still hold my phone. So It's not "TOO HOT" as you might have heard. One X+ also has a safety protocol that when you put the phone in the charger while its too hot, the notification lights light up green and red, saying that the phone is too hot, but it lets it cool off then it will charge normally.
If you experience the phone being hot while having a cover on, try to remove the cover to let it cool off.
Did my phone shut down because it was too hot? No.
Did I burn my hand? No.
Is it safe? Yes.
asking said:
Hello friends,
i want to buy HTC One X+ but it's Heating issues let me down about thinking to buy it... Please if any htc one x+ experienced user please give you review regarding heating while playing games ? while watching movie any issue ? with heating ?
Please help me...i want to buy...so i want to clear all doubts... is it possible using some software limitations we can control hardware heating ?
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I don't play games on my phone so I can't help you there. Regarding heat while watching video, you may find this six-month-old thread of mine useful, where I pointed out how hot it gets when playing 1080p video. I just ran a bunch of 1080p movie trailers again, now that I updated to 4.2.2 from 4.1.1, and got it to go from 35 degrees C to 57 degrees C after half an hour straight of playing video.
However, considering it's a 720p screen and most of the videos I download are 720p or less, heat is not much of a problem, as 1080p stresses the processor more. As noted in that thread, if you're okay with loading your own ROMs, others say that non-stock ones can do better.
If I were you, I wouldn't get a Tegra smartphone at this point. The Qualcomm Krait 300/400 phones are considered best in class nowadays, which is why there are plenty of phones using the Snapdragon 600 and 800. I don't buy Qualcomm products because I don't like their patent stance, but everybody seems to agree their chips are the best right now, which is why they dominate the market. If it's about price, the Nexus 5 is coming out later this month, should be a good phone at a good price.
Yes joakim_one,
I am going for Sony Xperia SP @ just 300 USD which is a great kick for HTC One X+ with 1.7GHZ SnapDragon s4 Krait processor and Adreno 320 GPU which kicks out in many benchmarks Tegra Quad A9 40nm << Snapdragon Dual Core Krait 28nm A15 Processors Plus S4 Snapdragon is Battery saving 19-20 hours talktime is great fro sony xperia sp
asking said:
Yes joakim_one,
I am going for Sony Xperia SP @ just 300 USD which is a great kick for HTC One X+ with 1.7GHZ SnapDragon s4 Krait processor and Adreno 320 GPU which kicks out in many benchmarks Tegra Quad A9 40nm << Snapdragon Dual Core Krait 28nm A15 Processors Plus S4 Snapdragon is Battery saving 19-20 hours talktime is great fro sony xperia sp
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I didn't know much about that phone, so I looked up its review on Notebookcheck, who do some of the best gadget reviews on the internet. The Snapdragon is comparable to the Tegra 3 in benchmarks, but they say the SP's display is only average, which is a big step down from the HTC One X+ display, perhaps the best display I've ever seen in my life. It's only 4.7" and I prefer something bigger, but inch for inch, it's the best I've ever used. Also, they say that the HTC One X has better battery life than the Xperia SP.
If you want a mid-range phone, the Nexus 4 and upcoming Nexus 5 will be great options. I don't know what other mid-range phones are known to be good, but you might want to look through this list of the best-rated smartphones on Notebookcheck to find something.
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I didn't know much about that phone, so I looked up its review on Notebookcheck, who do some of the best gadget reviews on the internet. The Snapdragon is comparable to the Tegra 3 in benchmarks, but they say the SP's display is only average, which is a big step down from the HTC One X+ display, perhaps the best display I've ever seen in my life. It's only 4.7" and I prefer something bigger, but inch for inch, it's the best I've ever used. Also, they say that the HTC One X has better battery life than the Xperia SP.
If you want a mid-range phone, the Nexus 4 and upcoming Nexus 5 will be great options. I don't know what other mid-range phones are known to be good, but you might want to look through this list of the best-rated smartphones on Notebookcheck to find something.
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Thanks for suggestion... But i don't agree with your term better than HTC One X. HTC One X was having the worst battery and hence Htc ONE X Plus was out. Endurance test shows higher for Xperia SP with 2370 ~ 2400mAH Battery. Actually right now i am using Xperia Series phone and they are good in Battery i used to watch movie daily...on it while on travel to job. HTC One X+ would be great....but i have heard htc phones are most battery suckers...thats why i am going to switch to sony xperia series..
asking said:
Thanks for suggestion... But i don't agree with your term better than HTC One X. HTC One X was having the worst battery and hence Htc ONE X Plus was out. Endurance test shows higher for Xperia SP with 2370 ~ 2400mAH Battery. Actually right now i am using Xperia Series phone and they are good in Battery i used to watch movie daily...on it while on travel to job. HTC One X+ would be great....but i have heard htc phones are most battery suckers...thats why i am going to switch to sony xperia series..
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I suggest you look at more than the battery rating, as Notebookcheck finds that both the HTC One X and HTC One X+ had better battery life than the Xperia SP, with the HOX+ doing best. There was one exception: if you really stress the phones and put them under maximum load, then the Xperia SP lasted about half an hour longer than the HTC phones, likely because the Snapdragon S4 chip is more efficient than the Tegra. But if you're just keeping your phone idle or surfing the web, which is what you'll be doing most of the time, the HTC phones will likely last hours longer, according to their benchmarks.
Maybe other Xperia phones are better- I don't know- but the Xperia SP didn't benchmark well for battery life, just letting you know.
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I suggest you look at more than the battery rating, as Notebookcheck finds that both the HTC One X and HTC One X+ had better battery life than the Xperia SP, with the HOX+ doing best. There was one exception: if you really stress the phones and put them under maximum load, then the Xperia SP lasted about half an hour longer than the HTC phones, likely because the Snapdragon S4 chip is more efficient than the Tegra. But if you're just keeping your phone idle or surfing the web, which is what you'll be doing most of the time, the HTC phones will likely last hours longer, according to their benchmarks.
Maybe other Xperia phones are better- I don't know- but the Xperia SP didn't benchmark well for battery life, just letting you know.
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Yeah it might be i can't oppose REAL facts... but i have found the HEAT Tests to be great for xperia devices its maximum is around gaming and charging while HTC Had Nvidia GPU heating issues..upto 52 Degree Celcius... which is to be consider for long term...run.. Anyways..our discuss could be useful to other members finding the MID range smart phones
asking said:
Yeah it might be i can't oppose REAL facts... but i have found the HEAT Tests to be great for xperia devices its maximum is around gaming and charging while HTC Had Nvidia GPU heating issues..upto 52 Degree Celcius... which is to be consider for long term...run.. Anyways..our discuss could be useful to other members finding the MID range smart phones
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What? lol 52c is nowhere near the thermal threshold. The Tegra 3 could comfortably run in the low 70's... Regardless heat has little impact in damaging hardware because these CPU's run at such low voltages.
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What? lol 52c is nowhere near the thermal threshold. The Tegra 3 could comfortably run in the low 70's... Regardless heat has little impact in damaging hardware because these CPU's run at such low voltages.
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AndroHero,
I mean to say outer body of the Phone. Processor original temp would be much higher, but the outer body temp is 52 Degree C means internal must be having high...
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What? lol 52c is nowhere near the thermal threshold. The Tegra 3 could comfortably run in the low 70's... Regardless heat has little impact in damaging hardware because these CPU's run at such low voltages.
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AndroHero,
I mean to say outer body of the Phone. Processor original temp would be much higher, but the outer body temp is 52 Degree C means internal must be having high...
Hello,
My question is pretty much what the title asks. I just got rid of my tablet, prematurely (don't ask lol), and it is a great tablet. I want another one, but I am wondering if I should wait until the Z4 drops. I mean, I really only watch movies and Netflix, with the occasional PS4 Remote Play and PC gaming with Limelight. I can get a brand new 32GB white model Z2 Tablet for $400. Do you think that the Z4 is going to be much more powerful and feature rich than the Z2?
What do you all think?
Thanks!
My guess is that it will have the same performance as Z2. From what I have seen and read about 810 it is not much of a performer, so an increased resolution should put it on par with 801 in Z2.
I've owned Z3 Tablet Compact, which is a bit faster than Z2, for a while and it was OK but I expected it to be so much more. Though it was quite faster in games and had a snappier UI than iPad Air.
But it still may be worth waiting for the release of Z4, since the price of Z2 should drop considerably.
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My guess is that it will have the same performance as Z2. From what I have seen and read about 810 it is not much of a performer, so an increased resolution should put it on par with 801 in Z2.
I've owned Z3 Tablet Compact, which is a bit faster than Z2, for a while and it was OK but I expected it to be so much more. Though it was quite faster in games and had a snappier UI than iPad Air.
But it still may be worth waiting for the release of Z4, since the price of Z2 should drop considerably.
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Utter nonsense.
Snapdragon 810 is significantly more powerful than 801 both in terms of CPU and graphics performance, and it's the GPU that will deal with the extra resolution anyway, leaving the processor free to bring its performance benefits elsewhere. Plus there's a whole lot more to this than performance anyway -- the Z4 Tablet is way ahead of the Z2 Tablet in terms of battery life, screen brightness, size (it's almost 12% smaller), weight (11% lighter), built-in storage (32GB vs 16GB), has no cover over the USB port, has a better front camera, has better audio, etc. etc.
Basically the only ways that the Z2 Tablet is better than its successor are the inclusion of the magnetic charging port, and a lower pricetag. European-market pricing for the Z4 Tablet without the keyboard dock is around US$600, so you'll save about 30% on the older, lesser model.
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Utter nonsense.
Snapdragon 810 is significantly more powerful than 801 both in terms of CPU and graphics performance, and it's the GPU that will deal with the extra resolution anyway, leaving the processor free to bring its performance benefits elsewhere. Plus there's a whole lot more to this than performance anyway -- the Z4 Tablet is way ahead of the Z2 Tablet in terms of battery life, screen brightness, size (it's almost 12% smaller), weight (11% lighter), built-in storage (32GB vs 16GB), has no cover over the USB port, has a better front camera, has better audio, etc. etc.
Basically the only ways that the Z2 Tablet is better than its successor are the inclusion of the magnetic charging port, and a lower pricetag. European-market pricing for the Z4 Tablet without the keyboard dock is around US$600, so you'll save about 30% on the older, lesser model.
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Ok 810 is good performer. What i was saying is that Z4 UI will perform the same as Z2.
There is 77% more pixels on Z4. How much more powerful is 810? Even if it was 100% more powerful how would that translate in usage. That is roughly 10% better performance. On the videos i've seen z4 drops frames and stutters occasionally, same as Z2 and Z3 TC both of which I've used.
Battery has the same capacity. Sony has absolutely top power saving features but will it manage to draw that much more out of it? I expect battery life to be the same.
Using percentages to describe size reduction is soo apple. Point is, the new tablet will be
12 mm shorter, 5mm narrower and 0.3mm thinner.
All those things are great but for the use he mentioned it is not worth the price difference.
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Ok 810 is good performer. What i was saying is that Z4 UI will perform the same as Z2.
There is 77% more pixels on Z4. How much more powerful is 810? Even if it was 100% more powerful how would that translate in usage. That is roughly 10% better performance. On the videos i've seen z4 drops frames and stutters occasionally, same as Z2 and Z3 TC both of which I've used.
Battery has the same capacity. Sony has absolutely top power saving features but will it manage to draw that much more out of it? I expect battery life to be the same.
Using percentages to describe size reduction is soo apple. Point is, the new tablet will be
12 mm shorter, 5mm narrower and 0.3mm thinner.
All those things are great but for the use he mentioned it is not worth the price difference.
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Congratulations on ignoring the bulk of my post.
Trying to use pixel count to estimate the relative performance difference between the two tablets seems silly to me, especially when you're only focusing on CPU.
Like knoxploration said, the GPU is what matters. The Adreno 430 in the Z4 can easily best the Adreno 330 in the Z2.
Still, I think we're splitting hairs. Both tablets seem great. It just comes down to personal preference. Go with the Z4 if you want the latest and greatest, or stick with the still very capable Z2 if you want to save some money.
Personally, I think the Z4 will finally convince me to get a tablet.
Edit: If you want a formal comparison between the Z2 and Z4, here's an article from PC Advisor:
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/...2-tablet-vs-sony-xperia-z4-tablet-comparison/
Edit 2: And if you want benchmarks between the Adreno 330 and Adreno 430, here's another link:
http://blog.gsmarena.com/adreno-430-benchmarked-trounces-adreno-330/
Sounds like price is your most sensitive issue. Otherwise it wouldn't be a concern... I have a z2 and z3 compact, never had any performance issues, and I fully intend to get the z4 asap.
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Trying to use pixel count to estimate the relative performance difference between the two tablets seems silly to me, especially when you're only focusing on CPU.
Like knoxploration said, the GPU is what matters. The Adreno 430 in the Z4 can easily best the Adreno 330 in the Z2.
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Actually I wasn't focusing on CPU I thought that Adreno GPU was a part of Snapdragon processor. I think it is but if I've made a mistake, I apologize. I have looked at HTC M8 vs M9 for comparison since they both have the same resolution displays and have sd 801 vs 810 (or Adreno 330 vs 430). I looked at GFXBench results to draw my conclusion so it was actually the gpu performance that I have been referring.
You're right, solmiler! Excuse me while I remove my foot from my mouth.
I owned Z2. It's super smooth especially for an android tablet, which you usually wouldn't install to much software on it.
Considering the poor performance of 810 when temperature goes high and the higher resolution it has, I would recommend you to go for a Z2 if you get a very good deal on it.
I bet Z2 and Z4 will have almost the same performance.. and Z2 would be way cheaper and easy to get.
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Hello,
My question is pretty much what the title asks. I just got rid of my tablet, prematurely (don't ask lol), and it is a great tablet. I want another one, but I am wondering if I should wait until the Z4 drops. I mean, I really only watch movies and Netflix, with the occasional PS4 Remote Play and PC gaming with Limelight. I can get a brand new 32GB white model Z2 Tablet for $400. Do you think that the Z4 is going to be much more powerful and feature rich than the Z2?
What do you all think?
Thanks!
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If you are heavy user so w8 for Z4 Table
cause with 64Bit you ll get better performance (more ability for heavy usage)
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Interesting article about the Snapdragon 810 heat problems:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/in-depth-with-the-snapdragon-810s-heat-problems/
Currently have a OnePlus 3 but the xa ultra caught my eye..how is the battery life ? Sot?
Are the cameras any good?
How's the phone overall?
I get 4-6 hours screen on time mostly close to 5 with my usage. Battery life is OK but not more. Bad for a 6" phone.
The cameras are very good both of them and produce fine pictures. No so much to complain about.
Overall it's a nice phone but it has stutters here and there. The Mediatek processor doesn't quite cut it compared to Snapdragon counterparts. The performance is much better with the Oneplus 3.
Bluetooth: Having to toggle ON frequently
Lag: Underpowered or Overused?
Camera: Really quite average, slightly better than Samsung Note 3 (2013) I upgraded from.
Battery: average, would be terrible without QC. I frequently use draining apps & games so this could be more subjective.
Overall, I feel like the phone is underpowered, and that root would be an idea. Using Qualcomm Trepn app you can see it is almost always running at clocked limit of 1873MHz. The only thing is im enjoying Android Pay and reluctant to give it up and root.
Is Moto Z worth unlocking/rooting? I envision with RAMExpander it would be butter smooth in performance.
It's not a clickbait,saw some early antutu scores and noticed one interesting thing. Theres Normal mode and Performace(cheat?!) mode.
Phone is ofc designed to be used in normal mode in 24/7 use,since performace produces more heat and raises power consumption beyond level for sustainable use.
In normal mode phone seriously underperforms in benchmarks,for example gets 270k while SD845 phones are getting 290k+. Performance mode bumps Kirin's scores to 310k+.
Other area where phone underperforms is GPU section under antutu. Gets bout 9k in normal mode and 10k in performance mode while Ardeno 630 powered phones score 12k w ease.
I know these benchmarks don't mean much in general use but in phone gaming era,you can actually feel that difference(having owned both Mate 10 Pro and OP6).
I think history repeated itself and we got SoC that will barely match last generation of SD and be totally obliterated by next.
Guess we'll know more when Anandtech makes in depth review.
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It's not a clickbait,saw some early antutu scores and noticed one interesting thing. Theres Normal mode and Performace(cheat?!) mode.
Phone is ofc designed to be used in normal mode in 24/7 use,since performace produces more heat and raises power consumption beyond level for sustainable use.
In normal mode phone seriously underperforms in benchmarks,for example gets 270k while SD845 phones are getting 290k+. Performance mode bumps Kirin's scores to 310k+.
Other area where phone underperforms is GPU section under antutu. Gets bout 9k in normal mode and 10k in performance mode while Ardeno 630 powered phones score 12k w ease.
I know these benchmarks don't mean much in general use but in phone gaming era,you can actually feel that difference(having owned both Mate 10 Pro and OP6).
I think history repeated itself and we got SoC that will barely match last generation of SD and be totally obliterated by next.
Guess we'll know more when Anandtech makes in depth review.
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I think you're right. Next snapdragon gpu will kick its behind! Cause its not much better gpu wise than the 845 right now, if at all?
But the gpu's these days are overkill for most things and I'm loving the look of the mate 20 X. It'll be good enough
No actually it has a worse GPU than 845.
And I wouldn't call all GPUs of this era an overkill taken into consideration levels of graphics we're getting in new games.
I know that most of ppl don't game on their phones but numbers of those who do are rapidly growing and mobile gaming market is becoming larger and larger by every day.
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No actually it has a worse GPU than 845.
And I wouldn't call all GPUs of this era an overkill taken into consideration levels of graphics we're getting in new games.
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Overkill for most games? No? And I'm hoping it's on par at least with 845 which handles everything I throw at it really easily.
The Mali G76MP10 is actually slower then the Adreno 630 but at least, it should be quite power efficient. Just read the Kirin 980 article from Anandtech.
Im waiting for anandtech review of Kirin not previews. Not interested in pre release benchmarks but real one, along power consumption and throttling.
Kirin 970 also should have been power efficient but it turned quite opposite.
The GPU is probably fine, but not able to compete with SD845 under normal speeds. So Hisilicon pushed it beyond limits to get the edge over SD845. Kind of like how Vega 64 was pushed beyond limits to get faster than the GTX 1080.
Like before on the Kirin 960 and 970, the max GPU speed is impressive, but not at all sustainable.