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Hey guys I was testing our 1080 p and noticed that our camera was horrible when looking at things with lights like a TV screen or something you really couldn't see anything on there it just looked very bright. It happens when your filming people and there's a light in the background also it just shows up as a huge glare and its horrible. It's on all roms and I think its just the camera in general. My friend also has this phone and I tested it and it resulted in the same thing. Light sources are being shown to much I guess and trust me it's horrible to try and show off your phone and claiming to have one of the best phones in the world and your camera 1080p is filming horribly. It's retarded as hell and up until this discovery I've had no complaints about this phone. So my question is what can we do to fix this. I've tried lowering the EV Control to negative 2 and it still gave the glare. Do we have to wait for an update to fix this problem or what.
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are you on stock or custom rom? i am on unnamed v2.2.1 and having 'continous autofocus' issue during 1080p shooting that makes the video blurry and sticky.i have posted this in unnamed dev forum.
meanwhile, as a workaround i use 720p mode that somehow makes video kinda okay.
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are you on stock or custom rom? i am on unnamed v2.2.1 and having 'continous autofocus' issue during 1080p shooting that makes the video blurry and sticky.i have posted this in unnamed dev forum.
meanwhile, as a workaround i use 720p mode that somehow makes video kinda okay.
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It happens on both and its horrible. I should be able to use the features I was promised without trouble
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This problem can not be fixed.
The detector has a limited dynamic range- smaller pixels have lower dynamic range. The lens needs to be small, otherwise the device isn't pocket friendly. Lens size must be matched to pixel size, so even if a manufacturer wanted to include a high dynamic range imager in a cellphone, size-constraints make it unlikely.
It isn't realistic to expect a phone camera to compare in quality to a dedicated (and larger device) camera.
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This problem can not be fixed.
The detector has a limited dynamic range- smaller pixels have lower dynamic range. The lens needs to be small, otherwise the device isn't pocket friendly. Lens size must be matched to pixel size, so even if a manufacturer wanted to include a high dynamic range imager in a cellphone, size-constraints make it unlikely.
It isn't realistic to expect a phone camera to compare in quality to a dedicated (and larger device) camera.
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That's not relevant at all. There are multiple phones that have great cameras such as the Xperia arc. And I expect a device that outperforms others. That's why I bought this phone. And even my old Xperia x10 camera was able to cover white balance a lot better in certain areas. Our camera should be better. It takes great still shots but horrible video in lighted areas I guess. It doesn't make sense.
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If someone could modify the Camera to accept tap to focus and exposure in video mode it would be perfect. That's what the issue is. However, I notice that during recording it is a LOT better than what it is when you just set video mode and look at it.
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If someone could modify the Camera to accept tap to focus and exposure in video mode it would be perfect. That's what the issue is. However, I notice that during recording it is a LOT better than what it is when you just set video mode and look at it.
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I just don't get how we have one of the greatest cameras and it does this bad with white balance. And yes I noticed the recording thing too
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I have been having this idea from the day it was launched, i wanted to replace the camera in the MAX with the one from the Original HTC One.
Not that i find my photo's bad because of lack of OIS, it was just another crazy thought from day one of the phone being announced.
I have ordered the original camera module from etradesupply and have it with me now. i am thinking of doing it myself although i don't want to brick my phone lol.
As of now there is no guide for teardown of the MAX and that is kind of a show stopper for me. I have had experience of opening up a HTC One for a screen replacement for a friend of mine and have the required tools for it.
I would like to listen to thoughts from other users.
I use "camera awesome" from the play store it has optical image stabilization and a slew of other options
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Ummm... OIS is a hardware thing so no amount of software can provide it
well in the shooting modes there is image stabilization which will not allow the picture to be taken until stable and works flawlessly
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I have been having this idea from the day it was launched, i wanted to replace the camera in the MAX with the one from the Original HTC One.
Not that i find my photo's bad because of lack of OIS, it was just another crazy thought from day one of the phone being announced.
I have ordered the original camera module from etradesupply and have it with me now. i am thinking of doing it myself although i don't want to brick my phone lol.
As of now there is no guide for teardown of the MAX and that is kind of a show stopper for me. I have had experience of opening up a HTC One for a screen replacement for a friend of mine and have the required tools for it.
I would like to listen to thoughts from other users.
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Diminished return. If the camera drives you nuts right now the rest of the phone/display/etc will after you have torn it apart. Worse yet, your significant other may ban you to the sofa after things go awry.
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Ummm... OIS is a hardware thing so no amount of software can provide it
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That what i thought...
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well in the shooting modes there is image stabilization which will not allow the picture to be taken until stable and works flawlessly
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i have use a HTC One and coming from it, i did not see much of difference on the photo's.. as i said, it was just another crazy idea.
however, if image stabilization is a software thingy then Samsung and all other OEM's would have jumped into that already without needing a hardware for it.
If you consider DSLR lenses, there are lens with VC / image stabilization while other don't, so i am guessing its a hardware thingy.
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Diminished return. If the camera drives you nuts right now the rest of the phone/display/etc will after you have torn it apart. Worse yet, your significant other may ban you to the sofa after things go awry.
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yeah, i know and that is exactly why i am being patient on doing it. i have had the camera module with me for more than 2 weeks now.
To be honest, i came to this idea just because of the hype the media and the other members who actually believe OIS is something great and needed.
but as far as i have used my phone for photo's i never felt something missing, that is probably my usage of it.
I believe this is because the MAX is huge enough that we actually hold the phone in a more stable manner while taking pics.
I should probably try taking pics while on the move to see the actual difference of the OIS thing.
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I should probably try taking pics while on the move to see the actual difference of the OIS thing.
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This. For anyone wondering OIS is not going to magically make the pics any better. If you dont like the still shots it takes you will not like them with ois. Just my .02.
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This. For anyone wondering OIS is not going to magically make the pics any better. If you dont like the still shots it takes you will not like them with ois. Just my .02.
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Absolutely !
From HTC's Site:
The New HTC UltraPixel Camera
The new HTC One will be the first to feature the HTC UltraPixel Camera - an advanced imaging technology that offers a great leap in the quality of point-and-shoot photos and video. Smartphones have rapidly become the primary camera for millions of people, and taking pictures has become an indispensable part of daily life. HTC is committed to offering the highest quality camera available, so even everyday pictures are gratifying and memorable.
With our new camera, you’ll be able to quickly shoot vivid, true-to-life images with a wide range of colors, even in low light conditions. We accomplish this not by increasing the number of megapixels in the camera, but by engineering a more advanced CMOS Sensor, ISP, and optical lens system that captures significantly more light than most 8 or 13 megapixel cameras.
“We shouldn't scrap pixel count entirely when weighing smartphone cameras, but in terms of the hardware and software details that actually go into making a great photo, megapixels are highly overrated. It's high time we focus on other areas that count more, like that undersung sensor.
Jessica Dolcourt,
CNET
May 12, 2012
In this section we will describe for you how we’ve created the most sensitive smartphone camera, which include these key components of ImageSense technology:
UltraPixel Sensor - Engineered with larger pixels, it enables each pixel to capture more than 300% more light than most leading 13 megapixel cameras.
HTC ImageChip - Offers continuous autofocus, color shading, and noise reduction, as well as more realistic High Dynamic Range.
F/2.0 Aperture - The largest available smartphone camera aperture, it lets in 44% more light than the iPhone 5.
Optical Image Stabilization - Drastically reduces blur in still photos and shaky video footage.
While the HTC One max has a UltraPixel Camera Zoe only offers Digital Image Stabilization. The Definitions are below.
Optical Image Stabilization (Hardware)
Optical image stabilization is the most effective form of image stabilization. Camcorders with optical image stabilization typically feature tiny gyro-sensors inside the lens that quickly shift pieces of the lens glass to off-set your motion. An image stabilization technology is considered "optical" if it features a moving element inside the camcorder lens.
Some camcorder manufacturers let you turn optical image stabilization on and off, or include several modes to compensate for different kinds of camera movement (either vertical or horizontal).
Digital Image Stabilization (Software)
Unlike optical systems, digital image stabilization uses software technology to reduce the impact of shaky hands on your video. Depending on the model, this can be accomplished in several ways. Some camcorders will calculate the impact of your body movement and use that data to adjust which pixels on the camcorder's image sensor are being used.
For consumer digital camcorders, digital image stabilization is usually less effective than optical stabilization. Given that, it pays to look closely when a camcorder claims to have "image stabilization." It may only be of the digital variety.
Interesting... If you try this oit let us know. I cant think of changing phones any time soon but if the pictures would get that much better then I am all for it.
Btw I owned two different One's and didnt find the pictures on it that much better.
Im actually looking forward to the phone blox to become something of production. With moto and google backing the project it should happen.
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Jiggity Janx said:
Interesting... If you try this oit let us know. I cant think of changing phones any time soon but if the pictures would get that much better then I am all for it.
Btw I owned two different One's and didnt find the pictures on it that much better.
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I definitely am going to try this out, but just waiting for a dis-assembly video so that i don't damage my phone. It won't be harder than the one i hope lol
where can i find the screew driver to take the htc one max apart. the volume rocker got messed up and i need to fix it.
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where can i find the screew driver to take the htc one max apart. the volume rocker got messed up and i need to fix it.
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It's the standard Philips screw driver if i remember correctly.
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Hi, can some Max users post what sensor you have? You don't need to be rooted. Navigate to /sys/android_camera, open the file called sensor and post a screenshot.
Curious if Max users have the ST electronics sensor or the Omni sensor.
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Hi, can some Max users post what sensor you have? You don't need to be rooted. Navigate to /sys/android_camera, open the file called sensor and post a screenshot.
Curious if Max users have the ST electronics sensor or the Omni sensor.
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st vd6869(1.0) cinesensor 0000-00-00
st vd6869(1.0) cinesensor 0000-00-00
International version, HK region ROM
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Thought this relevant since the nexus 5x has the same camera.
This is a comparison to the iphone 6...looks pretty impressive
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3ogvrg/nexus_6p_vs_iphone_6_low_light_photos/
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It looks AMAZING!
Woah - impressive. In fact, I dont think I have ever seen such a definitive improvement with anyone doing a camera side by side comparison as this. Sheesh! I wqonder how much of that is HDR trickery?
I doubt the Nexus 5x will do as well without image stabilization. Unless these were taken on a tripod. Apparently the 810 can handle electronic image stabilization but the 808 processor can't.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-because-the-snapdragon-808-isnt-fast-enough/
Both have some pretty ugly digital noise in the shadows, but you can see the effect of the larger pixels in the clarity of the detail. In the last pair of photos I see some chromatic aberration in the Nexus that's not there in the Apple, but the shadow detail is still better.
Anyone regret getting the 5x over the 6p now?
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Anyone regret getting the 5x over the 6p now?
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no, the 6p is too big, I can deal without EIS
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no, the 6p is too big, I can deal without EIS
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Me either. 6P is too big for me too
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Anyone regret getting the 5x over the 6p now?
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Show me the 5x night camera samples and I will tell you.
Seriously speaking, the camera for these types of shots should be very close to the same for 5x and 6p
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I doubt the Nexus 5x will do as well without image stabilization. Unless these were taken on a tripod. Apparently the 810 can handle electronic image stabilization but the 808 processor can't.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-because-the-snapdragon-808-isnt-fast-enough/
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You can't do EIS when taking a photograph, it only works on video where each frame can be zoomed in and cropped to match up the position of points in the previous frame. EIS on video doesn't remove blur on each individual frame either due to motion, that will still be there resulting in a lowering of overall captured detail, but each frame lines up better with the ones either side resulting in less visible shake making it easier to watch.
What the 6P is likely doing with pictures is taking several in quick succession, then picking the best one based on contrast detection which is easily done in software, and the picture with the most contrast is the best out of the bunch. This helps, it isn't OIS of course, but you get the picture with the least blurring due to motion or shaky hands, this assumes you do manage to capture a shake free photo in the bunch taken of course.
To be fair, OIS in tiny smart phone camera modules struggles to be effective, as there is a limit to how much movement those tiny optics can make and how many axis of movement they can compensate for.
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You can't do EIS when taking a photograph, it only works on video where each frame can be zoomed in and cropped to match up the position of points in the previous frame. EIS on video doesn't remove blur on each individual frame either due to motion, that will still be there resulting in a lowering of overall captured detail, but each frame lines up better with the ones either side resulting in less visible shake making it easier to watch.
What the 6P is likely doing with pictures is taking several in quick succession, then picking the best one based on contrast detection which is easily done in software, and the picture with the most contrast is the best out of the bunch. This helps, it isn't OIS of course, but you get the picture with the least blurring due to motion or shaky hands, this assumes you do manage to capture a shake free photo in the bunch taken of course.
To be fair, OIS in tiny smart phone camera modules struggles to be effective, as there is a limit to how much movement those tiny optics can make and how many axis of movement they can compensate for.
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Thanks for the info on EIS. I've been wondering how it works. The camera/software picking the best pick is called "lucky shot" internally and I think both phones have it, if I read the AMA correctly. I understand that the phone camera module is tiny, but since it has enlarged pixels, and a camera hump which makes it seem that the module is bigger than normal, perhaps OIS isn't needed as much?
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Yep, but not because of the camera! I had to cancel my 6P order because monies. 5X a compromise in getting a Nexus but I would have enjoyed the more premium phone a lot more. **** happens. Smaller size is a bonus, though.
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Thanks for the info on EIS. I've been wondering how it works. The camera/software picking the best pick is called "lucky shot" internally and I think both phones have it, if I read the AMA correctly. I understand that the phone camera module is tiny, but since it has enlarged pixels, and a camera hump which makes it seem that the module is bigger than normal, perhaps OIS isn't needed as much?
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It's all down to shutter speed really, the faster the shutter speed the less likely any camera shake is noticeable. Generally a shutter speed of 1/30th to 1/60th sec is considered the slowest speed a camera can be handheld reliably without camera shake ruining too many pictures with typical lenses. A wider angle lens can go slower in shutter speed than a zoom lens where avoiding camera shake is concerned. This is because when you are zoomed in, a small tremor from our hands is amplified to be a much bigger movement, something you will notice if using binoculars. So smart phone cameras have an advantage already as they are pretty wide angle lenses.
Outdoors in the daytime shutter speeds are pretty high, high enough that OIS is probably pointless and having no benefit for photography on smartphone cameras. It's still important for video in daylight, that is because video is recording over time, and not a split second instance that freezes the action like a photo with a fast shutter speed.
In dark situations, the larger pixels of the new Nexus are more sensitive, this means the gain can be turned up higher without destroying the picture with noise, resulting in the ability to speed up the shutter speed. This can mean an indoor scene that might need 1/30th second shutter on another camera, on the new Nexus it can be faster and might be set at 1/60th of second, so resisting camera shake. Of course go a bit darker, the new Nexus needs 1/30th of a second now, another camera might need 1/15th second but that has OIS, so shake becomes evident on the Nexus, but is corrected on the other camera. So the advantages of larger pixels only help in a very specific situation, i.e. they aren't making that big a difference.
The above ignores the effect of the flash of course, add in the flash and that helps freeze action anyway plus allows faster shutter speeds.
I think the main difference not having OIS will make is when you are in poor light, perhaps indoors, and want to take a picture close up of something, for example a document to "scan to Google drive" or a 2D barcode, the close up nature is like being zoomed in so blur becomes more evident.
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In dark situations, the larger pixels of the new Nexus are more sensitive, this means the gain can be turned up higher without destroying the picture with noise, resulting in the ability to speed up the shutter speed. This can mean an indoor scene that might need 1/30th second shutter on another camera, on the new Nexus it can be faster and might be set at 1/60th of second, so resisting camera shake. Of course go a bit darker, the new Nexus needs 1/30th of a second now, another camera might need 1/15th second but that has OIS, so shake becomes evident on the Nexus, but is corrected on the other camera. So the advantages of larger pixels only help in a very specific situation, i.e. they aren't making that big a difference.
I think the main difference not having OIS will make is when you are in poor light, perhaps indoors, and want to take a picture close up of something, for example a document to "scan to Google drive" or a 2D barcode, the close up nature is like being zoomed in so blur becomes more evident.
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Thanks for the informative post! I enjoyed reading it.
I was informed that tucking in your elbows to your body when taking a photo or video can help a bit in stabilization. How effective is that? Any other stabilization tips since OIS is gone?
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There's already a picture posting thread here....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/post-pictures-nexus-6p-t3213937
One is all we need. :good:
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I'm comparing it to my old HTC 10 and the quality is night and day. It's blurry/fuzzy, the colors are washed out. It reminds me of the quality of my old cheap webcam from 10 years ago.
Because you didn't turn off all the skin toning and skin lighting junk that's on by default. I was able to shoot selfies with more detail than any model would ever want to see on themselves so I know it isn't the camera's fault.
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Because you didn't turn off all the skin toning and skin lighting junk that's on by default. I was able to shoot selfies with more detail than any model would ever want to see on themselves so I know it isn't the camera's fault.
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No, everything is disabled. It's terrible quality.
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It's terrible quality.
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My testing and photos say otherwise. Like I said, way more detail in the selfies I've taken than most people who sit for me would ever want to see in a photo. It's not the camera.
Hey, coming from a Nexus 6 ... this is a major improvement.
Okay let's settle this, 5 mp camera is not the best out there, especially compared to iPhone 8's new front facing camera or even Samsung's I guess, although I can only tell based on what I see on internet, as I don't own them. Makes me wonder why it's so hard to create a perfect phone? I mean you did almost everything perfectly right, put a damn 8 mp camera with ois or whatever and hit a home run, why did they choose this front facing camera is beyond my understanding
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Because the reality is that in order to actually see a doubling of resolution, you actually have to quadruple the megapixel count. So to see twice the detail of a 5mp sensor, you would have to use a 20mp sensor. 20mp at selfie cam size would be insane. The cameras that are using 16mp selfie cameras (such as the HTC U11) are actually using the main shooter from the V30. But to squeeze that extra sensor in with OIS would require more room and produce more heat which would cause issues with amp glow on your other sensors. Digital imaging can be a real P.I.T.A. even with dedicated cameras. Cellphone cameras are a miracle that they even produce anything worthwhile. And that's usually due to being conservative in your approach to what hardware you use.
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Because the reality is that in order to actually see a doubling of resolution, you actually have to quadruple the megapixel count. So to see twice the detail of a 5mp sensor, you would have to use a 20mp sensor. 20mp at selfie cam size would be insane. The cameras that are using 16mp selfie cameras (such as the HTC U11) are actually using the main shooter from the V30. But to squeeze that extra sensor in with OIS would require more room and produce more heat which would cause issues with amp glow on your other sensors. Digital imaging can be a real P.I.T.A. even with dedicated cameras. Cellphone cameras are a miracle that they even produce anything worthwhile. And that's usually due to being conservative in your approach to what hardware you use.
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Thanks! I already learned something interesting today Is that the reason why the Nokia 8 and the HTC U11 have larger bezels as well in order to have enough room to tackle these technical challenges?
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Thanks! I already learned something interesting today Is that the reason why the Nokia 8 and the HTC U11 have larger bezels as well in order to have enough room to tackle these technical challenges?
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Yes, bezels really only exist to hide hardware that they haven't figured out how to downsize or place elsewhere. To get tiny bezels, you have to use tiny camera, earpiece, and proximity sensor hardware or just get rid of them. OIS units make things much bigger as you have to put a ring of motors around the object you're stabilizing. Earpieces/speakers take up a lot of space. I'm guessing Google used the headphone jack space to add more battery and the second speaker, with the second speaker adding more bezel. Proximity sensor is probably the smallest thing in the bezels. Display drivers used to be a big contributor (Moto 360 flat tire was a display driver if I remember right) but with the modern OLED panels they just, er, tuck 'em.
Not passing judgement on the quality of the selfie cam, but I notice that as with the main camera, it too has a "wide angle" setting.
But with only the single camera, necessarily this means that the non-wide setting is digitally zoomed, plus I'd bet there's heavy software correction going on to get rid of all of the wide angle distortion. Perhaps that's asking too much from a 5 MP sensor?
However, I rarely take selfies, and when I do, I'm often trying to squeeze in the other people that are with me, or some scene in the background, so maybe I'll find the native wider angle appealing? Hard to tell in-store with all the florescent lighting.
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Agreed, turned all that off too and it still looks like crap.
Maybe find something better looking to shoot? The camera does really well.
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Maybe find something better looking to shoot? The camera does really well.
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Lol wow dude is talking about a selfie this guy says find something better to shoot lmao.
I've never taken an awful photo with the front facing V30 camera. I really don't understand how anyone thinks it's awful.
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From my experience, it only does poorly in low light, that is, compared to 2017 flagships. I don't think it's nearly as bad a many claim it is.
If you look at a lot of of comparisons with the between the likes of the note 8, iphone x and pixel 2, it holds up really well. The biggest difference is really between the pixel 2 and pretty much every other flagship front facer, it has by far the best front facing cam on the market by a good margin imo. The v30 front cam can look really good, is just dosen't produce quite as much detail as the others, and maybe lacks in dynamic range a bit.
If you turn on flash in low light, you see better results. It’s not real flash obviously but I’ve been impressed when it gets it right.
maybe youre ugly lol jk
I've personally had my eyes on the Mi 9 for a while since the first set of leaks came out, as the leaks got more & more specific & started to list the camera specifications I noticed immediately the lack of OIS & assumed it was just left off there accidentally, then when it was announced yesterday it was confirmed not to have OIS, admittedly at first it did put me off slightly as not having such a feature on a 2019 flagship seemed ridiculous to me, now however I'm not sure & will wait till the event on the 24th, let me know what you guys think & if it's important to you.
Without OIS you get bad pics at night. Video is okay with EIS but without OIS, you can't fix that.
When I pay over 400€, OIS is a must have.
With OIS you can only get better pictures of static scene at night or lower light. Does not apply to kids, pets or any moving objects that get blured out thanks to slower shutter speed compared to sensors without OIS that must use faster shutter speeds by design. For video OIS is useless. So it is understandable that OEMs like Xiaomi are cutting costs on OIS that you have very limited range of use. Basically only usecase today's is night static scene and that is not worth extra cost/devide thickness for aggressive priced devices like MI 9.
It doesn't really matter for me
Man that is so sad ois makes a flagship
They should have sacrificed a camera or 2 just for the ois
For the price l'm not crying about OIS. If i want it that bad I'll pay the premium elsewhere.
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When I noticed Mi9 is without OIS I was hardly shocked but I can leave one year without OIS and hoping Mi10 will have stabilization back. DXOmark give too high score to Mi9 so we should be fine also without. So yes I will but Mi9
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It'll be interesting for sure to see how especially night photography will turn out with the Mi 9 vs the competition with OIS. Do we have a whitepaper somewhere that would show exactly how for example HDR+ (Google) works? Does it use a longer exposure for the shots, especially on Night Mode, or are the images that are stitched together taken with a relatively short exposure? (ie potentially possible even without OIS)
@D1G1TE OIS useless in videos? Man, than I need to tell you, that EIS works only in 30fps modes, so you are left absolutely without any stabilization in video, my mi 8 will record better 60fps videos (of course as soon as it's get update for it )
If OIS is compensated in the software section. Like they said in hands on. It doesn't bother me.
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Xiaomi said that?
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No it was mentioned in a hands on (can't remember which) that EIS was doing its thing.
It has no ois yet its an extremely good camera?
??? What is going on here
Does it take decent night shots no blurry eis?
The GSM Arena review has convinced me the camera will be superior for my needs.
I don't believe I've ever had a phone with OIS - it is tricky to miss what you don't have!
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No it was mentioned in a hands on (can't remember which) that EIS was doing its thing.
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The GSM Arena review mentions it in the Video section
EIS is available for both cameras and all common resolutions (4K, 1080p and 720p), but it works only for the 30fps modes. The digital stabilization does a great job smoothing the camera shake at the expense of minor loss of FoV.
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The GSM Arena review has convinced me the camera will be superior for my needs.
I don't believe I've ever had a phone with OIS - it is tricky to miss what you don't have!
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The GSM Arena review mentions it in the Video section
EIS is available for both cameras and all common resolutions (4K, 1080p and 720p), but it works only for the 30fps modes. The digital stabilization does a great job smoothing the camera shake at the expense of minor loss of FoV.
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OK?? So no stabilisation at all 60fps? That kind of sucks.
https://www.gizchina.com/2019/02/17/mi-9-closed-loop-motor-explained/
NisseGurra said:
https://www.gizchina.com/2019/02/17/mi-9-closed-loop-motor-explained/
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Is it possible to have OIS with a closed loop motor? Not sure I understood the article fully. Thanks!
ckarv said:
Is it possible to have OIS with a closed loop motor? Not sure I understood the article fully. Thanks!
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From how I read it, with the position sensor immediately informing the VCM to adjust, that means that OIS isn't necessarily needed, however whether it's possible is a different matter entirely I think
I find it a strange story. If you compare those drawings it looks to me it's an enhanced OIS. Now with a positioning sensor.
Why didn't they market this aspect better...?? It wasn't been told in the presentation.
Yes it has OIS but better?
BTW. I hear the "closed loop motor" now for the first time.
*justintime* said:
I find it a strange story. If you compare those drawings it looks to me it's an enhanced OIS. Now with a positioning sensor.
Why didn't they market this aspect better...?? It wasn't been told in the presentation.
Yes it has OIS but better?
BTW. I hear the "closed loop motor" now for the first time.
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Because it's inferior to OIS, basically the "closed loop motor" can focus faster & more accurate thanks to the positioning sensor, however in regards to stability OIS wins because it isn't fixed, you'll see quite a few Mi 9 owners complaining over blur in night shots, this is because when the persons had shakes there is no OIS to compensate.
Edit: I saw inferior because if you look at the Mix 3's focusing it was perfectly fine imo, we've lost OIS for something that wasn't necessarily "bad" in the first place.
This is how I think it works based on my own research, Xiaomi didn't really give us any information on it themselves, so if anyone more knowledgeable has more to add or correct, feel free
TheInfiniteAndroid said:
Because it's inferior to OIS, basically the "closed loop motor" can focus faster & more accurate thanks to the positioning sensor, however in regards to stability OIS wins because it isn't fixed, you'll see quite a few Mi 9 owners complaining over blur in night shots, this is because when the persons had shakes there is no OIS to compensate.
Edit: I saw inferior because if you look at the Mix 3's focusing it was perfectly fine imo, we've lost OIS for something that wasn't necessarily "bad" in the first place.
This is how I think it works based on my own research, Xiaomi didn't really give us any information on it themselves, so if anyone more knowledgeable has more to add or correct, feel free
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I read somewhere that the fact Mi 9 is using a larger sensor, and because of this fitting OIS wasn't possible. Do you know of any phone with the Sony IMX586 sensor that has OIS? This doesn't explain why eg the telephoto sensor and lens doesn't have OIS though ?
ckarv said:
I read somewhere that the fact Mi 9 is using a larger sensor, and because of this fitting OIS wasn't possible. Do you know of any phone with the Sony IMX586 sensor that has OIS? This doesn't explain why eg the telephoto sensor and lens doesn't have OIS though ?
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The Honor View 20 uses the IMX586 & that too doesn't have OIS it uses EIS & AIS. There is also another Xiaomi device, the Redmi Note 7 Pro, which has the IMX586 & again, there is no OIS, assuming they're the only devices that use the IMX586 then it's confirmed that there is no OIS possible with the IMX586