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Been debating on this for a while, and think I'm going to pick up something new this week if I decide to grab a new phone.
Phone will be on Verizon.
I'll be using this 90% of the time in the PAC NW area of the country. other 10% will be divided up between DC/South US/Hawaii/INTL.
I've been checking spec comparisons between them and a few other phones on multiple sites, but wanted to see if any of you had a first hand opinion between these choices.
Right now I'm looking at the Moto X (32GB) , LG G2, HTC ONE, and Galaxy S4, was thinking about getting the Nexus 5 and jumping carriers, but I really can't see any benefit to it that the other phones don't have aside from vanilla android.
i.e. this link to phonescoop comparing the Rezound, Moto X, HTC One, HTC One Max, and Nexus 5
phonescoop link
and this one on phone arena comparing the Moto X, Rezound, and G2
phone arena link
and another one from phone arena comparing the Moto X, Rezound, and HTC One.
phone arena link 2
one more from phone arena comparing the Moto X, LG G2, and Galaxy S4
yet another phone arena link
and my last comparison, the Rezound vs Moto X, S4, One, G2
last link I swear!
My biggest pros for any of the newer ones are the scratch resistant screen, more LTE bands & more GSM bands for when I travel.
As well as NFC would be fun to mess around with, as well as the faster cpu / gpu / more ram. Granted I can't think of anything the rezound hasn't been able to run aside from GTA-VC which is only second hand to me as I haven't tried it.
moto x specific pros-
S-GPS
EDR for bluetooth
only $100 for 32GB version
moto maker if i want it in crazy colors
lg g2 specific pros-
fastest cpu / fasted gpu
quadcore cpu
biggest battery
biggest screen
faster ram
htc onc specific pros-
love the look, and like the built in stereo speakers
samsung galaxy s4 specific pros-
quadcore cpu
highest PPI on screen
faster ram
My cons are for the most of the newer ones are
non-removable battery
no SD card slot.
What I'm asking after all of that rambling is first hand comparisons between the rezounds and these devices, or these devices compared amongst each other.
aka- Sway me one way or the other.
TL;DR - have rezound, debating on Moto X / LG G2 / HTC ONE / Galaxy S4. Any first hand experiences to compare them?
Thanks!
I have the HTC one and I can tell u it's GREAT. I didn't think any phones were worth upgrading from the rezound this year but when my phone cracked 3 weeks ago I had to get a new one. I went threw the same comparisons but instead of nexus 5 it was note 3. I knew the specs of the note 3 were the best of them all but I really don't like touchwiz so that was out of the question and the s4. Then I saw the moto x but it was still $199 at Verizon and $99 on every other carrier plus no moto maker so that was out of the question. Then it was the one vs g2. I used both at a Verizon store and well the G2 was nice the one and it's metal build were just so much nicer. Also the speakers were a great add on and I wasn't really feeling the button on the back of the G2. Also the one has the highest ppi of all the phones not the s4. Either phone is a great choice but I can tell u I get 3.5-4 hours screen on time easy with auto brightness on the one and about a day and a half usage moderate. Also I have experienced no lag whatsoever on the one
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I'd say Nexus 5 unless you absolutely need to stick with Verizon, in which case the LG G2
scy1192 said:
I'd say Nexus 5 unless you absolutely need to stick with Verizon, in which case the LG G2
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^^^ I second this...
Any of them would be step up, you wouldn't be disappointed at all, but the LG G2 is a beast (3000mah battery) if you are stuck with Verizon for whatever reason, but if you can jump ship the Nexus 5 on a pre-paid GSM carrier is the way to go, for an unlimited talk/text plan with 2-3Gb data it will run you $45-$60/month... saving about $40-$55 monthly over a standard VZW plan easily paying for the phone in 6-9 months.
I've been thinking about getting a new phone for the past few months as well...I got myself dead set on the One and went to the store to just mess around with it for a bit and pretend like I owned it. Super smooth/fast, beautiful screen, cool speakers...hate the UI. The more I tried to do basic tasks the less I liked it. The two buttons didn't help either. Basically, I recommend going into a store and just pretending like the phones are yours. Specs and reviews and videos and what everyone else thinks doesn't really matter in the end, the phone has work with you.
I'm sure with some new roms etc I could find a way to be happy with the One...but I need some time to get over my frustrations first good luck!
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LG G2
I was holding out hope that the Nexus 5 would some how come to VZW. While I was waiting, my wife picked out the G2. I put Scott Scrosler's Clean ROM and she really enjoys this phone. I've been playing with it and waiting for the Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals. I found a way to get the G2 for free. This phone is great and there's a lot of dev support. If you have to stick with VZW and the price of all the phones is the same, I recommend the G2.
Morpheus991 said:
I've been thinking about getting a new phone for the past few months as well...I got myself dead set on the One and went to the store to just mess around with it for a bit and pretend like I owned it. Super smooth/fast, beautiful screen, cool speakers...hate the UI. The more I tried to do basic tasks the less I liked it. The two buttons didn't help either. Basically, I recommend going into a store and just pretending like the phones are yours. Specs and reviews and videos and what everyone else thinks doesn't really matter in the end, the phone has work with you.
I'm sure with some new roms etc I could find a way to be happy with the One...but I need some time to get over my frustrations first good luck!
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Last I checked the UI issue can be fixed..
Has HTC/VZW stopped the s-off process on the One yet?
mjones73 said:
Last I checked the UI issue can be fixed..
Has HTC/VZW stopped the s-off process on the One yet?
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They did for a while, but @beaups got it working... at least until the KK update drops and VZW tries again.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2473644
I have had the one for a little over a month. Will say its a good phone with good battery life. Sure there is the possible purple tent issue but nor all of them has this problem. Best to check the camera out by covering the lens with your hand and see if you get the purple tent. Rooting is easy and as always some great ROMs already out there. The all aluminium body is a real plus for this phone.
I tried the camera on the moto line of phones and the picture just turned out grainy and bad. Even with the one purple tent in low light settings its still takes a great pic just like the s4 does. Think HTC finally got sense under control as its not laggy and doesn't seem as a battery drain like older versions of sense was. In the end people likes different things and you will never know till you use it. Nice thing Verizon has the 14 day return policies. Good luck in your choice.
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there a big different between Rezound and last phones today
its like PC with SSD now really quick less lags
the internal storage IOP/S is way higher then older phones
joecoolinatl said:
Been debating on this for a while, and think
My cons are for the most of the newer ones are
non-removable battery
no SD card slot.
Thanks!
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go with GPro
*WALL OF TEXT INCOMING* (just a friendly warning)
I ended up ordering the LG G2 (staying with verizon) from bestbuy.
last sunday, (the 17th) I noticed that bestbuy had all of the lg g2s marked down to 100$ and had a 50$ gift card, so I checked it out on the best buy website, and saw that you had to bring in a working smartphone to trade in to get it at that price, but if you ordered online, it took the 50$ off instantly.
While looking on the Bestbuy website at the LG G2s, for some reason, even though every other carriers version was $99.99, the verizon one was listed at $49.99.
I ordered it online, thinking they would kick the order out and that it was an errror or something.
I figured $50 for the phone and a $50 bestbuy giftcard, probably an error or an early black friday price mistake.
They sent an email the next day saying there was an urgent problem with the order and call within 48 hrs or it would be cancelled, I called and the rep couldnt figure out why it sent me that email, and after being on hold for about 30 minutes came back and said they called shipping and had them force the order though.
They also said they spoke to verizon and had it activated, I didn't think anything of it at the time and just said thanks.
After the call, i put the phone down and a few minutes later went to call my wife, but when I hit send, it rang and then said "this phone is not registered with verizon" or something to that effect, then I remembered the rep said they activated the new phone. FACEPALM time.
I tried a few other numbers, same error message. tried 611, it rang! went through 3 reps telling them exactly what I thought happened (the bestbuy person got confused and got someone from vzw to activate a new phone on my line w/o a new imei or new sim somehow). 3rd rep i spoke with said that was exactly what happened. took about 10-15 minutes but reset everything back to my original imei/sim (the htc rezound). so now i can make calls again.
2 days later got a shipment notification email.
of note- I noticed monday morning when I logged into bestbuys website to check the order status (this is before receiving the problem email) to see if it shipped yet, and the price was up to $99.99 for all carriers including verizon, and now had an extra line on the page- it's 150 at the store, and when you bring in a smartphone to trade in, you get a 50$ gift card that you then HAVE to use in the transaction to get the price down to $99.99. online orders still took the price to $99.99 immediately.
Been checking today since it's supposed to arrive today, and it looks like it's back up to 199.99 and they are still doing the gift card, but you have to trade in a smartphone and use the giftcard on the spot to get it down to 150.
tl:dr-
50$ for the G2, free shipping (but slowwwwwww, totally should have paid the 10$ to get it in 2 days if i knew it was going to take 7 days) and 50$ best buy gift card.
and i finally got the email an hour ago for the 50$ bestbuy egiftcard.
of note, they pricematch, so I'm hoping someone lowers it to $.01 for black friday and then I can go get my $50 back and have it for free!
chose the g2 since it was marked down so low and has the faster CPU/GPU, even though i won't be able to change the battery (but it does have the biggest stock battery at 3000ma, which is awesome since my std rezound battery only lasts a few hours and the extended battery doesn't even last a day anymore)
Thanks for the advice everyone!
after a week with the G2, i've got to say it's amazing. I still have the rezound and will start tinkering with it since i finally have another device, but the G2 is insanely fast at everything so far. love it. can't recommend it enough.
Is this phone worth it?
My Options are:
Repair current Motorola Razr M 8 GB cracked screen ($45)
HTC Rezound 16 GB $50-70
Samsung Nexus 32 GB $60
or keep looking/negotiate price on Rezound or Nexus more.
My Nieces requests are
Bigger Screen (if possible, but preferably smaller then 5 in. *Moto G, Nexus*)
Front Facing Camera
Hairline Cracks are ok (if she can get a newer more powerful phone for less)
Balian67 said:
Is this phone worth it?
My Options are:
Repair current Motorola Razr M 8 GB cracked screen ($45)
HTC Rezound 16 GB $50-70
Samsung Nexus 32 GB $60
or keep looking/negotiate price on Rezound or Nexus more.
My Nieces requests are
Bigger Screen (if possible, but preferably smaller then 5 in. *Moto G, Nexus*)
Front Facing Camera
Hairline Cracks are ok (if she can get a newer more powerful phone for less)
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I would recommend the Moto G (1st generation) over everything else. It's significantly better than everything you listed, and you will get Android L without having a ROM. Plus, more features, warranty, official support, and it's much faster.
http://swappa.com/buy/moto-g-verizon There's some nice deals on Swappa, why not consider these? Unless you mind prepaid, this is the best deal.
kcipopnevets said:
I would recommend the Moto G (1st generation) over everything else. It's significantly better than everything you listed, and you will get Android L without having a ROM. Plus, more features, warranty, official support, and it's much faster.
http://swappa.com/buy/moto-g-verizon There's some nice deals on Swappa, why not consider these? Unless you mind prepaid, this is the best deal.
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I don't mind prepaid but Verizon wont let people use a prepaid phone on a contract unless it has been active on a prepaid account for 6 or more months.
Go with the Galaxy Nexus for the money, if you are stuck in a contract... I loved my Rezound, but honestly GN is a nice phone as well.
If your not in a contract, why stay with Verizon? I jumped ship from them some time back and couldn't be happier, there are tons of new GSM phones you can get that are quite reasonable and prepaid @ $45 for unlimited talk, text, and data (2.5GB at high speed) is pretty nice.
It seems that of all the VZW Android phones for sale new today, that the G3 is about the most modifiable unit available.
I'm seriously thinking about switching to VZW and buying a new G3 like today or tomorrow but have some questions about the firmware version the new units are currently shipping with...
Anybody know what the currently shipping firmware version is on brand new units?
And is it still rootable / able to have custom ROMS installed on it? Or have all the exploits that allowed this been discovered and plugged up?
I am not a complete stranger to rooting and custom ROMs, having done this to my HTC Desire, but that was nearly 3 years ago and I've been running the same CM7 build on it taken from a June 2012 nightly build that was an exceptionally good one. And yes, I'm still running a 4 year old US Cellular android 2.x phone :laugh: because it's been a rock-solid juggernaut that's always been dependable and I've gotten every penny's worth out of it. It's time to move on to a more modern phone plus I need the better network coverage of VZW's network and nation-wide data that USCC simply doesn't have.
I've read thru a couple hundred pages here on XDA about the VS985 and understand that the G3 can generally be downgraded to an older version of the firmware to facilitate these things, but there seem to be some caveats on getting into download mode on later versions and just want to be comfortable that I'm not going to get a phone that has been finally locked down into a dead-end street of running only official software.
unless something changed in the last day that i missed, your all gud with any current version.
however, the Nexus 6 is a much better option. development is through the roof, and will stay that way for a long time.
plus, it completely annihilates the g3 in almost every aspect except for maybe stock cam, but there are 2 aosp compatible cams that are very good.
I looked at the N6, but there's a couple things I really don't like about it.
It's too big. The G3 is pushing my limits for a phone size, I would actually like it to be a bit smaller.
No SD card is a real showstopper for me. Google is retarded for doing that.
Non-removable battery isn't quite a showstopper, but still a big turn-off.
The G3 being a 2014 year model, is still quite a capable device but is now also becoming very affordable now that the 2015 phones like the HTC M9 and the Sammy GS6 are hitting the market and capturing the attention.
Normally, I'd just pay retail and do a month-2-month plan, but by signing up for Verizon Edge 24 month 0% finance plan to buy the phone, the extra $15/month discount on the data plan almost pays for the phone... it's actually cheaper for the whole 24 month period to do it this way than to pay full retail or do the $99 2 year subsidized purchase. I'll be paying nearly the same exact monthly bill by switching to VZW and getting this new phone as I'm currently handing over each month to USCC and getting crappy data, no data roaming, no tethering, and operating a 4 yr old phone.
Being able to root&rom the G3 even with a locked bootloader is also a definite plus as well. I'm not a constant tinkerer with my phones, but I do want the option to have root, debloat the apps and/or run a custom rom if I so desire.
yea, the n6 seemed big for the first week or so i had it, but i love it now, and the development is bar none.
yes there is development for g3 but its limited to a handful of roms.
not trying to put the g3 down, i have one, just if you can get used to the n6, its a no brainer if you like to mod your phone.
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btw, with the speed charger, battery is of little concern, and i bought a 64g otg for like $30 from amazon to fix any storage needs.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RBGYGPG/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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I looked at the N6, but there's a couple things I really don't like about it.
It's too big. The G3 is pushing my limits for a phone size, I would actually like it to be a bit smaller.
No SD card is a real showstopper for me. Google is retarded for doing that.
Non-removable battery isn't quite a showstopper, but still a big turn-off.
The G3 being a 2014 year model, is still quite a capable device but is now also becoming very affordable now that the 2015 phones like the HTC M9 and the Sammy GS6 are hitting the market and capturing the attention.
Normally, I'd just pay retail and do a month-2-month plan, but by signing up for Verizon Edge 24 month 0% finance plan to buy the phone, the extra $15/month discount on the data plan almost pays for the phone... it's actually cheaper for the whole 24 month period to do it this way than to pay full retail or do the $99 2 year subsidized purchase. I'll be paying nearly the same exact monthly bill by switching to VZW and getting this new phone as I'm currently handing over each month to USCC and getting crappy data, no data roaming, no tethering, and operating a 4 yr old phone.
Being able to root&rom the G3 even with a locked bootloader is also a definite plus as well. I'm not a constant tinkerer with my phones, but I do want the option to have root, debloat the apps and/or run a custom rom if I so desire.
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No external SD, and no removable battery on the n6 right? Why not just buy an iPhone and get it over with?
Just playin...
You won't be mad at yourself if you grab a g3 though, especially if you're saving $ & upgrading your service. It is big, not as big as others, but you'll get used to it and probably actually prefer it after watching some videos on your qhd screen and taking some pics with the excellent g3 camera. You may have to roll back to get root depending on your version, but that's not a difficult thing to do at all. Once you're rolled back you can have root and custom recovery in @ 10-15min...super easy.
Another option is you can always take a phone for a test drive depending on where you buy it, so if you're undecided maybe that would be best so you have no regrets. Amazon has a 2 week return policy & they ship really fast, so if you get a phone and don't like it just return it and get something else for no charge :good:
Yeah... not gonna support Apple by buying any of their products lol
Looks like the G3 is going to be good to go for my needs and desires. I'm a tightwad and the G3 seems to be a great bang for the buck value right now so Im going to pull the trigger either tomorrow or Thursday and get one. Even though the Bumped roms available for it might be a bit limited for a hardcore modder, I think they'll be perfectly suited for me. All I want is mainly root and de-bloat the apps I'll never use. I do want a good camera and lots of storage so this will likely be a good handset for me.... just hope it lasts for 2 years :fingers-crossed:
bweN diorD said:
unless something changed in the last day that i missed, your all gud with any current version.
however, the Nexus 6 is a much better option. development is through the roof, and will stay that way for a long time.
plus, it completely annihilates the g3 in almost every aspect except for maybe stock cam, but there are 2 aosp compatible cams that are very good.
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N6 would be no go for me. No removable battery and do SD Slot....
Got my G3, posting this from it now.
So far, Life's Good! :good:
The Z4v is confirmed to be on its way to release on September 3rd. The first week has a promotional sale going on from what I see for three different people.
The full price of the phone is $599, but it will go on sale for $499 with $100 in Google play store credit.
For us Z3v owners, we can trade it in to knock off $220 to bring the price down to $379.
If you have any other phones, you can trade it in up to $70 in knocking it off.
I really love my Z3v, but seeing that Verizon has really abandoned it, it's no wonder why Verizon is now offering the Z4v. The YouTuber who has the phone confirmed the date, and he also discussed he hasn't had any issues with overheating on the SD810. I'm more likely tempted to get it now because if you just think about it, you do any extraneous activities on your phone, it'll heat up anyway.
Thoughts?
So what about if I am paying monthly on the retired edge program? Is that trade in price of $379 what I could finance monthly?
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So what about if I am paying monthly on the retired edge program? Is that trade in price of $379 what I could finance monthly?
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I think that would come to terms whether you're done financing the Z3v with the Edge plan by then. Otherwise, I think you're just paying at a discounted full price and all you'll be paying for is your plan month to month. I'm not too sure.
I just got the z3v a few months ago so I know I'm not done paying for it...but I think I'll try to sweet talk them at the store and play the no VoLTE and broken promises cars and see what they'll do for me (if anything)
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This is my 1st sony phone after trying virtually all other manufacturers, except LG, and I love it. Came from Note 3 and I loved the size but wasn't a fan of TW. I think the biggest struggle I've had is the lack of support and development. But honestly I was kinda tired of rooting/tinkering with my phone and just wanted a good phone with great camera and battery. Didn't realize how much I'd miss simultaneous voice and data...here's hoping the z4v has all I need. Appreciate the update Giga
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I simply don't know what I'm going to do. My experience with the Z3v has been the best I've ever had on any phone from a stability, reception, OS fluiditity and stability standpoint, and of course this amazing battery.
So I paid full price $599 for this phone 9 months ago. I'd have to pay an additional $379 to trade it in, meaning in total I'd be spending over $1000 with tax and everything.
For that $1000 I'm getting more resolution which I don't need, shorter battery life which I dont want, a faster processor that probably makes no difference in day to do use, Lollipop with all the annoying bright colors and white screens that I don't like, and simultaneous voice and data.
In other words for me personally the only positive thing I'm gaining for spending $1000 is simultaneous voice and data, and updates that will protect me from malware vulnerabilities. Both of these things were promised to me when I bought the Z3v, and now I have to pay another $379 and have to give back my Z3v for their broken promises?
In the end I consider this offer from Verizon a joke. Are we supposed to be happy to pay for their mistake? And on top of it they get to keep our Z3v on the trade so we can't even sell it off later ourselves to offset the cost of their mistake.
Thanks Verizon. Well done, you really know how to shaft your customers.
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I simply don't know what I'm going to do. My experience with the Z3v has been the best I've ever had on any phone from a stability, reception, OS fluiditity and stability standpoint, and of course this amazing battery.
So I paid full price $599 for this phone 9 months ago. I'd have to pay an additional $379 to trade it in, meaning in total I'd be spending over $1000 with tax and everything.
For that $1000 I'm getting more resolution which I don't need, shorter battery life which I dont want, a faster processor that probably makes no difference in day to do use, Lollipop with all the annoying bright colors and white screens that I don't like, and simultaneous voice and data.
In other words for me personally the only positive thing I'm gaining for spending $1000 is simultaneous voice and data, and updates that will protect me from malware vulnerabilities. Both of these things were promised to me when I bought the Z3v, and now I have to pay another $379 and have to give back my Z3v for their broken promises?
In the end I consider this offer from Verizon a joke. Are we supposed to be happy to pay for their mistake? And on top of it they get to keep our Z3v on the trade so we can't even sell it off later ourselves to offset the cost of their mistake.
Thanks Verizon. Well done, you really know how to shaft your customers.
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I understand where you're coming from. You're not the only one who had to spend full price for the Z3v as Verizon's joke attempt on setting up a phone for failure. It's up to you whether you want to keep it or not, but I know you've had great experiences with yours. I wouldn't totally diss the Z4v on battery life necessarily because it does have real Z3 hardware technology such as the screen RAM, which saves on power. The higher display resolution is highly questionable and makes no different to the human eye than what Full HD can already do.
I do wish there was a better option for us Z3v owners than just knocking off $220. This info is only a rumor so o hope there is a better rumor than this.
I really appreciate you passing the rumors on to us GigaSPX. If the rumors are true, its like Verizon is kind of admitting they screwed up, but they are passing the cost of that srew-up on to the customers backs. I'd be more apt to pay $379 for a Z4v if I could keep my Z3v, plus have the Z4v insured at no extra cost to us.
So rather than getting a Z4v, anyone thinking about the new 2015 Moto X Style Pure Edition for $399? That would take Verizon out of the picture entirely for updates.... lol
Wait for Z5 then ditch Verizon. Why reward fraud?
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I really appreciate you passing the rumors on to us GigaSPX. If the rumors are true, its like Verizon is kind of admitting they screwed up, but they are passing the cost of that srew-up on to the customers backs. I'd be more apt to pay $379 for a Z4v if I could keep my Z3v, plus have the Z4v insured at no extra cost to us.
So rather than getting a Z4v, anyone thinking about the new 2015 Moto X Style Pure Edition for $399? That would take Verizon out of the picture entirely for updates.... lol
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Actually I am, or one of the new Nexus devices, providing they are all carrier compatible like the Nexus 6. This really has to leave a bitter taste in the mouths of z3v owners, waiting for an update that never came. I really do like Sony's hardware and loved the Z2 I had when I was briefly on AT&T. If the $220 trade in is true it's not that bad of a deal as the z3v is selling for just a little more than that on swappa right and will likely sell for less once the z4v actually drops.
I paid $340 for my Z3v new from swappa. there must have been a liquidation of the phones because a lot of them sold around the time I got mine. At the moment I honestly dont think its worth it for me even though I got mine for cheaper. The accessory support will probably be just as bad as the z3v. I really like being able to get something different from what many people know of and buy, it almost has an exclusive feel to it while hiding its faults at the same time. If it wasnt for the moto x pure edition price, I would probably go through with the whole trade in thing. All in all, I still like the phone for its screen, battery and audio with headphones or speakers. This whole stage fright thing would be another reason to get a phone I know will be updated and if not root and cyanogen mod will be there if stage fright security measures don't take it away.
I'm thinking about the new 2015 LG nexus 5. But only if it's on Verizon. Because Verizon does have the best network.
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I paid $340 for my Z3v new from swappa. there must have been a liquidation of the phones because a lot of them sold around the time I got mine. At the moment I honestly dont think its worth it for me even though I got mine for cheaper. The accessory support will probably be just as bad as the z3v. I really like being able to get something different from what many people know of and buy, it almost has an exclusive feel to it while hiding its faults at the same time. If it wasnt for the moto x pure edition price, I would probably go through with the whole trade in thing. All in all, I still like the phone for its screen, battery and audio with headphones or speakers. This whole stage fright thing would be another reason to get a phone I know will be updated and if not root and cyanogen mod will be there if stage fright security measures don't take it away.
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Just so you know, you can download Textra as your text messaging app to protect yourself against stagefrite.
Reason why I'm sticking with Sony is because of all those above reasons and the waterproofing. I have the noise cancelling headset that matches with the phone and I should have bought it at the very beginning for use.
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I can vouch for Textra.... great messaging app plus protection. Been using it for about a year.
Won't be updating. Don't fall into that trap. Its like your giving them a pat on the back for screwing us. "Couldn't help but notice we stopped supporting your phone. For only $400 we will give you the next generation. Just don't expect us to support that one."
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Won't be updating. Don't fall into that trap. Its like your giving them a pat on the back for screwing us. "Couldn't help but notice we stopped supporting your phone. For only $400 we will give you the next generation. Just don't expect us to support that one."
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As much as it pains me for that too, what option are you going with?
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Gonna just have to tough out my contract and drive their name in the mud. Throwing more money at this is not an option for me. As far as getting a vzw branded android phone. It doesn't fix anything but incentives them to screw people over and have them buy new devices. Those who buy a Z4v expecting more then 89 days of support are kidding themselves. I really can't see them supporting it any longer then they have ours. Based on the reality of our situation. I understand folks wanting another device just don't play the game that round 2 will be any better.
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Just so you know, you can download Textra as your text messaging app to protect yourself against stagefrite.
Reason why I'm sticking with Sony is because of all those above reasons and the waterproofing. I have the noise cancelling headset that matches with the phone and I should have bought it at the very beginning for use.
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I thought all you needed to do was just turn off the auto download mms? There were also other ways to catch it instead of just text from my understanding.
I have been interested in that headset you mentioned I just haven't purchased it yet.
The waterproofing feature is a large reason why I got the z3v in the first place but because of the rear glass adhesive issue I have its not always sealed properly. its like it wants to stick but slowly comes undone. Im about to dip the whole back in plastidip jk...or not. If I could get maybe 300-340 out of it instead of the crummy 220 I would probably get the z4m I mean z4v without com"promise" from vzw about updating. (sounded better in my head)
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I thought all you needed to do was just turn off the auto download mms? There were also other ways to catch it instead of just text from my understanding.
I have been interested in that headset you mentioned I just haven't purchased it yet.
The waterproofing feature is a large reason why I got the z3v in the first place but because of the rear glass adhesive issue I have its not always sealed properly. its like it wants to stick but slowly comes undone. Im about to dip the whole back in plastidip jk...or not. If I could get maybe 300-340 out of it instead of the crummy 220 I would probably get the z4m I mean z4v without com"promise" from vzw about updating. (sounded better in my head)
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I really have no idea about the whole rear adhesive, but maybe putting a case on could keep it together? Lol
If it was 300-400 off, that would be satisfactory. But seriously, does no one think there can't be a lawsuit over broken promises? lol
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I really have no idea about the whole rear adhesive, but maybe putting a case on could keep it together? Lol
If it was 300-400 off, that would be satisfactory. But seriously, does no one think there can't be a lawsuit over broken promises? lol
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Im seriously thinking about spraying white plastidip on the back. A case wont help because the lift is so tiny. if you look at the back of your phone at a 20 degree angle you should notice the plastic trim lip all the way around. on the usb side and right over that spot the glass is meeting that point on my device instead of being below it.
I say haggle with vzw for a better price lol. The time you take trying to get your point across they would have made that back and more in a matter of seconds.
#com"promise" lol
So I'm speaking with a Verizon agent simply asking, "is Verizon still supporting the Z3v?" Apparently it still is because there was announcement of an update on July 14th, but it didn't get release because of some bugs. So I've been informed of a tentative software update sometime this month of August. Which is really up in the air considering all these past months.
I then ask about the Z4v and what there is for us. We can trade in our Z3v if it's in like new and working condition, and mine could go for $310 to trade in. I asked how much the Z4v would be full price, and they have no solid idea other than comparing the full price for the Z3v going for $499 (although that's the current retail value now as opposed to 10 months ago). So that ay bring it down to $290 instead of $370 if the full price is $599...hmm....
The topic is fairly straight forward. I don't want to take away from what the V30 offers but it seems like a fair question and discussion to have with so many other phones coming out in the same time frame.
Today, Razer finally announced their Razer phone and it is available for pre-order with an estimated delivery date of November 17th. The US998 non-carrier version of the V30 is currently estimated to finally be available on December 5th. The Razer phone costs $699US where the V30 costs $800US. That said, here are the bands supported by the Razer phone. Yeah, no CDMA.
GSM: Quad-band GSM UMTS: B1/2/3/4/5/8
LTE: B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/19/20/25/26/28/29/30/66
TDD LTE: B38/39/40/41 TD-SCDMA: B34/39
With 8GB of RAM, a 120Hz screen with adjustable refresh rate, SD835, dual front-facing speakers with Dolby Atmos, and a 4000mAh battery, and even a THX certified DAC, although through a USB-C to headphone adapter that comes in the box. Stock Android (N) with an update to Oreo early next year and 2 years of software updates, Nova Launcher Prime as the stock launcher, SIM unlocked out of the box, and... here's the kicker. Unlockable bootloader that hasn't been stripped of fastboot commands!
The V30 seems to offer the better rear camera experience, at least from what I have seen so far. The front-facing camera might be a bit different though with the Razer phone having an 8MP front-facing camera. The V30 definitely has the better style and look to it though, although aesthetics are purely personal taste. The V30 (H932SV) supports T-Mobile's 600MHz band 71 where the Razer phone doesn't and I haven't heard of anyone mentioning WiFi Calling and VoLTE support as of yet. The V30 also offers wireless charging but the Razer phone offers Quick Charge 4+.
So... Does anyone think there is still a reason to buy a V30, especially at the current pricing of $800US?
i'd NEVER ever again buy a phone with huge bezels like that razer phone has. the thing looks like a block. the design is really as bad as it could possibly be
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i'd NEVER ever again buy a phone with huge bezels like that razer phone has. the thing looks like a block. the design is really as bad as it could possibly be
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I totally understand that. The look of it... It does look like a brick. That is the hard thing about it. It has a lot of other things going right for it but... it's just damn ugly!
No Qi wireless, no sale.
That's my line in the sand whether an OEM really wants my money.
But I like the battery and front-facing speakers. LG should copy that! No reason any phone with a 6" screen can't have 4000 mAh battery. My 5.2" Moto XT1225 (1440p AMOLED) has a 3900 mAh battery!
hmmm... there are trade offs depending on what you are after on a device. I got my t-mobile v30 for $600 brand new so I suppose it's a pretty decent deal.
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hmmm... there are trade offs depending on what you are after on a device. I got my t-mobile v30 for $600 brand new so I suppose it's a pretty decent deal.
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$600 for a V30 would sell me, especially from T-Mobile. For me, wireless charging doesn't matter all that much but the look of that brick just seems like such a step backwards in phone design. I get that it is based off of the Nexbit Robin but still. Razer could have done better design wise. Just about everything else ticks all of the right things for me. If you don't mind me asking. How did you get $200 off of the full price of the V30 from T-Mobile?
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$600 for a V30 would sell me, especially from T-Mobile. For me, wireless charging doesn't matter all that much but the look of that brick just seems like such a step backwards in phone design. I get that it is based off of the Nexbit Robin but still. Razer could have done better design wise. Just about everything else ticks all of the right things for me. If you don't mind me asking. How did you get $200 off of the full price of the V30 from T-Mobile?
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I found a seller on craigslist in my local area. He said he won it a raffle from work and doesn't need it.
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I found a seller on craigslist in my local area. He said he won it a raffle from work and doesn't need it.
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Nice! Enjoy it! It's definitely an excellent device and you have band 71 to get the best performance out of the 600MHz network as it starts to go live.
It seems like 2017 is the year for great competition in the smartphone market. For the price and value however, I find the Essential Phone very competitive. I saw a number of refurbished models on eBay for $390 or so. Possibly return units that look quite flawless. No headphone jack though.
Jcsww, what phone are you thinking of getting?
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It seems like 2017 is the year for great competition in the smartphone market. For the price and value however, I find the Essential Phone very competitive. I saw a number of refurbished models on eBay for $390 or so. Possibly return units that look quite flawless. No headphone jack though.
Jcsww, what phone are you thinking of getting?
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I want a V30. It's just there are so many inaccuracies about the bands supported in each model of the V30. I am currently up in Canada so everything sold up here is the H933 model. Each carrier up here lists different band support which also conflicts with what LG directly told me. I'd rally like the unlocked US998 but December 5th is a bit far away to wait and the price of it seems to be too high for what is out there for competition. Band 71 would be a bonus as a T-Mobile customer but for the right price, I'd forget about it until my next upgrade. According to B&H, the US998's non-carrier version band support sucks! I would like to be able to root my device but I also think I could potentially live without root if I got the H932SV from T-Mobile.
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...December 5th is a bit far away to wait and the price of it seems to be too high for what is out there for competition.
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I'd like to think that by Dec 5, LG will have dropped the priced (given the added competition and mixed reviews), and/or there will be some sweet sales.
I'm a Verizon customer and can take advantage of the $200 gift card and free Daydream headset, but I'm likely going to hold out for the unlocked model to see how well that plays on Verizon's network. I'm fairly confident I'll find a better deal than what Verizon is offering at the moment.
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The topic is fairly straight forward. I don't want to take away from what the V30 offers but it seems like a fair question and discussion to have with so many other phones coming out in the same time frame.
Today, Razer finally announced their Razer phone and it is available for pre-order with an estimated delivery date of November 17th. The US998 non-carrier version of the V30 is currently estimated to finally be available on December 5th. The Razer phone costs $699US where the V30 costs $800US. That said, here are the bands supported by the Razer phone. Yeah, no CDMA. [emoji14]
GSM: Quad-band GSM UMTS: B1/2/3/4/5/8
LTE: B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/19/20/25/26/28/29/30/66
TDD LTE: B38/39/40/41 TD-SCDMA: B34/39
With 8GB of RAM, a 120Hz screen with adjustable refresh rate, SD835, dual front-facing speakers with Dolby Atmos, and a 4000mAh battery, and even a THX certified DAC, although through a USB-C to headphone adapter that comes in the box. Stock Android (N) with an update to Oreo early next year and 2 years of software updates, Nova Launcher Prime as the stock launcher, SIM unlocked out of the box, and... here's the kicker. Unlockable bootloader that hasn't been stripped of fastboot commands!
The V30 seems to offer the better rear camera experience, at least from what I have seen so far. The front-facing camera might be a bit different though with the Razer phone having an 8MP front-facing camera. The V30 definitely has the better style and look to it though, although aesthetics are purely personal taste. The V30 (H932SV) supports T-Mobile's 600MHz band 71 where the Razer phone doesn't and I haven't heard of anyone mentioning WiFi Calling and VoLTE support as of yet. The V30 also offers wireless charging but the Razer phone offers Quick Charge 4+.
So... Does anyone think there is still a reason to buy a V30, especially at the current pricing of $800US?
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So I see that you put all of the details of the upcoming Razer phone. Are you asking if the V30 is a better buy over the Razer phone? Well what are you looking for in a phone?
Really big phone=Razer
Screen to size ratio=V30
Best headphone audio=V30
Great sounding stereo speakers=Razer
Price=Razer
Carrier compatibility=V30
Wi-Fi calling (TMO)=V30
Volte calling (TMO)=V30
Screen=Razer
8Gb RAM [emoji3]=Razer
Gaming=Razer
Smoothness=Razer
I'm sure there is more but that's what I've got so far.
I know the wait for the unlocked sucks but fact of the matter is that manufacturers worry about carrier versions first and no-brands second. Unless you have some weird or obscure carrier you can probably have a carrier phone tomorrow so the wait for the unlock is on you.
I'd say wait for the V30. After a couple months the Razer phone will be as cool and desirable as a Marshall London phone.
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No Qi wireless, no sale.
That's my line in the sand whether an OEM really wants my money.
But I like the battery and front-facing speakers. LG should copy that! No reason any phone with a 6" screen can't have 4000 mAh battery. My 5.2" Moto XT1225 (1440p AMOLED) has a 3900 mAh battery!
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replying to my own post -- also NO headphone jack.
Somewhat scathing review:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/1/...ndroid-gaming-specs-release-date-price-photos
Razer Phone announced with huge bezels, no headphone jack, and dubious gamer cred
...the absence of its headphone jack. It’s that last element that strikes me as a major contradiction: Razer’s supposedly gamer-friendly device is lacking easy connectivity to a gamer’s most essential peripheral after the controller. Inside the Razer Phone box you’ll find a THX-certified audio dongle that lets you hook up headphones and promises 24-bit “audiophile-quality” sound, but that’s a weird compromise on a device that’s supposed to be about no-compromise gaming performance.
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The device is priced at $700 in the US (or €750 in Europe, £700 in the UK) and sold directly from Razer’s online store or Amazon.com, with a ship date of November 17th with online reservations opening today. That price tag means the Razer Phone is entering the most premium and competitive segment of the smartphone market. It’s going up against brilliantly designed pieces of hardware like the Galaxy Note 8, LG V30, HTC U11, OnePlus 5, and Huawei Mate 10 Pro. All of them have specs to match Razer’s, aside from that new screen; many of them have eliminated the bezels; and the majority also have headphone jacks.
Why should you buy the Razer Phone ahead of all that great competition? Maybe Razer has a compelling answer, but after my experience with its new device, I can’t identify it.
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I'd like to think that by Dec 5, LG will have dropped the priced (given the added competition and mixed reviews), and/or there will be some sweet sales.
I'm a Verizon customer and can take advantage of the $200 gift card and free Daydream headset, but I'm likely going to hold out for the unlocked model to see how well that plays on Verizon's network. I'm fairly confident I'll find a better deal than what Verizon is offering at the moment.
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I agree that a price drop is definitely needed and sooner than later. LG doesn't seem to understand what they are doing though. The V30's hype was ruined by delays and a reveal too early compared to the release date. When I see a phone debuted, I want to buy it shortly after, not months later. The more time that passes, the more other things are closer to release. CES and MWC are not too long after the holiday season.
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So I see that you put all of the details of the upcoming Razer phone. Are you asking if the V30 is a better buy over the Razer phone? Well what are you looking for in a phone?
Really big phone=Razer
Screen to size ratio=V30
Best headphone audio=V30
Great sounding stereo speakers=Razer
Price=Razer
Carrier compatibility=V30
Wi-Fi calling (TMO)=V30
Volte calling (TMO)=V30
Screen=Razer
8Gb RAM [emoji3]=Razer
Gaming=Razer
Smoothness=Razer
I'm sure there is more but that's what I've got so far.
I know the wait for the unlocked sucks but fact of the matter is that manufacturers worry about carrier versions first and no-brands second. Unless you have some weird or obscure carrier you can probably have a carrier phone tomorrow so the wait for the unlock is on you.
I'd say wait for the V30. After a couple months the Razer phone will be as cool and desirable as a Marshall London phone.
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Headphone audio going to the V30 is debatable. No one has really tested the Razer audio from the 24-bit DAC Razer is using enough to post a review of it, at least not yet. I don't care about gaming on a phone either and I don't know many that actually do but I am sure someone does. The screen on the Razer phone has got to have better viewing angles over the V30. The ability to speed up the processor and adjust the refresh rate and resolution are all nice aspects on a stock Android experience. Even though the Razer phone looks like a ginormous greyish black brick, the specs and price have left the V30, at least in my opinion, looking stupid with their too late for a flagship release. LG has managed to tease me with a product I really wanted and then has made me not want it by the time I could actually get it.
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Headphone audio going to the V30 is debatable. No one has really tested the Razer audio from the 24-bit DAC Razer is using enough to post a review of it, at least not yet. .
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Razer Phone doesn't have a headphone jack. You have to use a dongle like with the iPhone and Pixel.
Plus, I don't think it's debatable, considering the other stuff Razer messed up on. See my previous post, above yours.
Even in the "bad" reviews for the LG V30, critics praise the LG V30 32-bit quad DAC:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3235324/android/lg-v30-review.html
LG V30 review: Another great LG phone that just isn't great enough
With a pair of Bluetooth buds, the V30 sounds like any other phone, but with wired headphones and the Quad DAC flipped on, it’s in a class by itself. Even comparing it against the HTC U11, which has its own USB-C-based audio system with a proprietary pair of noise-canceling earbuds, the V30 more than held its own. Once I plugged in a pair of higher-end headphones, the sound was downright spectacular for a smartphone. My only quibble is that I would have preferred the headphone jack at the bottom edge of the phone rather than the top.
With on-par performance and battery life, the V30’s Quad DAC is easily its best selling point, especially for people turned off by the Pixel 2 XL’s reliance on a USB-C-to-3.5mm dongle. In an era where specs and design are increasingly homogenous, sound quality could very well become one of the main differentiators among flagship phones. The V30 is definitely among the cream of the crop.
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And again, this was a bad review -- but he was honest about what he considered the good points.
I bought my LG V30 a month ago. As a Verizon customer, I was eligible for $102USD trade-in value for my old Note 4 and a promotional $200USD gift card. Out of pocket expense was $538USD not including taxes and fees. I was originally going to wait for the Pixel 2 XL or an iPhone X, but the cost savings combined with the quad DAC, headphone jack, dual cameras, and the centrally located rear fingerprint scanner was enough reason for me to pull the trigger on the V30. LG also provided a free Google Daydream and a 2nd year of warranty coverage.
So far, I've been very pleased with the V30 with zero buyer remorse.
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Razer Phone doesn't have a headphone jack. You have to use a dongle like with the iPhone and Pixel.
Plus, I don't think it's debatable, considering the other stuff Razer messed up on. See my previous post, above yours.
Even in the "bad" reviews for the LG V30, critics praise the LG V30 32-bit quad DAC:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3235324/android/lg-v30-review.html
And again, this was a bad review -- but he was honest about what he considered the good points.
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It may not have a headphone jack but the adapter does come in the box. I would like to see some more reviews on Razer's offering before I call one or the other to be better. Currently though, LG's audio implementation is by far the best out there. However, the Razer phone doesn't officially come out for a couple of more days. By then, there should be some more in-depth reviews.
A) I haven't done dongles since my G1 and I will never do dongles again. There's just no reason for it and it gets old fast.
B) Probably not a good idea to buy this first gen product.
C) Probably not a good idea to bank on x years of updates until they've made x years of the product. I had to look up who Razer even is. Without carrier distribution in the US, this thing will see such a limited release that I'd question if they're even still making phones in a few years. Look at the facts. This is basically a product that some other team started and did a "one and done" then offloaded to someone else while they still could. And it's this last point that I'd really worry about and might make a lot of other people hesitant. Which could possibly lead to an early demise of this part of the company. They really have to make a compelling case for a lot of people to jump into the deep end of a cold pool quickly.
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A) I haven't done dongles since my G1 and I will never do dongles again. There's just no reason for it and it gets old fast.
B) Probably not a good idea to buy this first gen product.
C) Probably not a good idea to bank on x years of updates until they've made x years of the product. I had to look up who Razer even is. Without carrier distribution in the US, this thing will see such a limited release that I'd question if they're even still making phones in a few years. Look at the facts. This is basically a product that some other team started and did a "one and done" then offloaded to someone else while they still could. And it's this last point that I'd really worry about and might make a lot of other people hesitant. Which could possibly lead to an early demise of this part of the company. They really have to make a compelling case for a lot of people to jump into the deep end of a cold pool quickly.
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Lots of valid points there and i agree with the dongle. If you can't charge your phone and still listen to wired headphones, that is a deal breaker, at least for me. I am all for competition, especially when it comes in cheaper with those specs. Whether it is the product for me or anyone else is an individual choice. Hopefully it makes LG try harder and do better with the V40 launch. The V30 product isn't the issue in my opinion. It was LG's failure to deliver that product in a timely manor.
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Lots of valid points there and i agree with the dongle. If you can't charge your phone and still listen to wired headphones, that is a deal breaker, at least for me. I am all for competition, especially when it comes in cheaper with those specs. Whether it is the product for me or anyone else is an individual choice. Hopefully it makes LG try harder and do better with the V40 launch. The V30 product isn't the issue in my opinion. It was LG's failure to deliver that product in a timely manor.
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That would be assuming LG, or any company, sees this as competition. Which at this point I doubt any of them do. Sure it has a couple of impressive specs but that's it. It has limited distribution from an unproven company with a hideous design that's already getting a lukewarm reception at best. I don't think any established company is going to take this thing all that seriously.
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As for LG's timeliness, they did the same thing with the V20. At this point if they cleaned up their act in time for the V40, I'd be pleasantly surprised. In the end game though I'm not really worried. Waiting a few weeks isn't really anything when you realize the development cycle of a given product. It's not like another company is going to use that few weeks time between announcement and launch to suddenly sneak out a better product. That window just isn't long enough to do that and the supply chain doesn't flip fast enough to seriously one up that quickly, even if you could get your developers and QA to move fast enough. (Which we don't. Oh dear FSM we don't.)
No, what you're seeing in all of these complaints of "taking forever to launch" is a lack of patience from a very small slice of the overall consumer pie chart and an interesting psychological study into some rather boorish and childish behavior. There is no other way to explain it. Either you really do want the product in question and can wait a few weeks or you just have money burning a hole in your pocket and want to throw it at the first thing you can.
Look at the iPhone X launch. How long between it's announcement and actual in hands? It was announced on September 12th? Couldn't even pre-order until a few days ago! (Last Friday) Won't ship until at least tomorrow! (One week after pre-orders opened.) Oh, and that's if you're lucky as they seem to be having supply issues and might only get to ship half if that. That's 8 weeks before it is in ANY consumer's hands. Between announcement and in hands I had my V30 in 5 weeks and that was waiting from a US carrier, not even the lesser wait if you were in LG's home market. And I'm just not seeing the same type of complaining from those waiting on iPhones as I see on the Android tech blogs and forums about LG's V launches. It's absolutely bewildering to see the difference.