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My Contract is Due up, And looking for a new Phone,
Currently on the HTC Desire,
And this phone keeps showing up every time i search.
Apart from the Specs how are you guys finding the phone.
From Development Point:
Day to day user? Battery life and performance?
And does the Camera live upto 8mp, Its position on the back looks like it can be easily scratched?
SGS II = WIN
Well your obviously going to get a biast opinion on here mate but straight up no bullsh*t this is definitely the best there is no doubts about it, you need to read up a good bit on here though to get the best from the SGSII but 100% recommended.
I came from the desire too and the difference is night and day. The desire got to a point where the latest roms just wouldn't run smooth enough. Ive had the camera lense exposed from the day i got the phone (first day of release in the UK) and have not got 1 scratch on it. Im wondering if its gorilla glass too because its pretty scratch proof.
Heres a camera sample anyway. Touch focus on the rose.
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3387/20110603152504.jpg
Edit : oh crap I hit the thanks button. fat fingers and touch screens don't mix. Have that one on me
Nexus prime is close, at this point is worth to wait. But if you are in hurry...s2 is pure gold
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Other than SGS2, any other phone that also have HDMI and USB Host? Droid 3 looks good but too bad it don't have USB HOST.
The phone works VERY well.
If you throw cpu-intensive stuff at it like moviewatching, 3d-gaming or lots of network-activity it will go low on battery pretty fast. Like every other powerful smartphone, you will need to reharge at least once a day...unless its in your pocket all day ofcourse.
Be aware that the phone is pretty large compared to the desire, and it is something you will notice right away. You will also notice how incredibly thin and lightweight it is. After using my SGS2 for while I realized that I felt it was actually TOO thin and weighed too little. on top of that the size to me is a little over the top. I appparently like a phone to be a bit heavier and thicker for me to handle it better (insert sexual pun here ) I bought myself a nice rubbercase, which has provided a better feel to the phone in my opinion, and im really happy about it. The rather large size I can live with, but my next phone definately not have a screen larger than 4".
I suggest you go to a store and ask to try the SGS2 out for yourself. It really is amazing how thin and light that phone is. It is built ok, but ofcourse all the lightweight plastic will be more prone to damage than other types of material.
Well i spent my time having a good look around,
And decided to go with this, Thanks guys.
Some good features like Mhl micro usb to hdmi
and High Performance, Better Battery, Great Display.
And of course custom ROMS, Should be picking this up tomorrow, So expect to see me in this neck of the woods
Well I had the HTC Desire and loved it, a month ago I changed to an Xperia Arc, and I liked that to.. its a lovely design and runs pretty well, but I had a few issues with it - it would take a random amount of time to boot, and sometimes I would get lag on the phone switching between apps or menu's.. what tempted me with the Arc also was the price.. and i thought battery life would be better on the single core phone. I got the S2 on friday and the battery is better on the s2 and it really is fast.. no slowdown anywhere.. the batter is also lasting me the day, whereas with the desire and the Arc to a lesser extent i would have to top up during the day at work... so far am very happy with the s2.. other bonus is the bult in memory, - I've added a 16gb micro sd card and have lots of space now for media..
Thats good to know, One of my Issues with Desire was battery life,
but managed to deal with it,
So am used to the 1 charge a day job the internal 16GB memory is a massive plus aswell, Again the Desire was some what painful messing around with memory.
Good phone!
I originally choose it over the HTC Sensation because of the better camera and battery. The camera rules indeed! But the battery life seems to be not that great(1 day vs 2 days on my old HTC HD2), but I think this is mainly because of some issues in samsung's drivers. Also, there's no stable version of CM7 for it jet, the one I tried crashed instandly. So just give it time, I sure it will do 3 days eventually.
I'm currently testing the Hyperdroid rom with surgen(or something) and just updated my Modem so I can't really tell how the battery life is now.
Main thing is though, it's so freakishly fast that you can't really see any difference in the custom roms or even the original rom. Also overclocking to 1.6 ghz doesn't make a difference.
Great phone spoiled by a lot of morons using it .
jje
I keep seeing these great deals on the Nexus 10. Although it's an old tablet it is well received and still seems to be among the best available. After deciding to wait for the new version, it keeps getting pushed back and who knows when it will actually be available? I think I may just go with the original N10 as my Asus TF300 is absolutely driving me nuts. It's nearly unusable at times... if it's doing any kind of app update or sync, forget it, it's unusable. I am rooted and on a custom ROM and still have issues. I was fed up and need a replacement now. Should I stick with the N10 or maybe look into some other tablets... Budget is around $300...
Yeah its still a good tablet if you can get it for a decent price. I love mine, although it does have its flaws for sure. But if my tablet suddenly turned into a stack of $300 bills I am not sure I would buy it again. I would probably look at maybe a Sony Tablet Z.
The reason i say this is that the N10 is not a perfect device. For a start the battery is not the best. On 4.3 I would eek out 8 hours with very conservative use and low brightness. On 4.4 that has dropped to 6-7 hours on a very good day. The battery issue is mainly due to the chipsets used, which is a dual core A15 and Mali T604 graphics. Both of these are pretty power hungry compared to newer chipsets. Newer CPU's have lower powered cores which handle mundane tasks and conserve power. Also, the graphics use up 1GB of the system memory, so really you only get 1GB for system RAM and not 2GB like most tablets. Kitkat 4.4. had to be gimped on the N10 mainly due to the N10 not have enough grunt to run certain aspects of 4.4 like the translucent bars and ART without stutter. Another thing is its not a tablet to be held in portrait mode due to the design. It should be held in landscape mode at all times. It just feels way better held like that.
Don't get me wrong I love my N10, especially the design. Its definitely the best tablet in terms of ergonomics I have used. The screen is still fantastic and the speakers being on the front are really great and go to a decent level. Performance is also really good being vanilla android and all with no bloatware.
So I do love my N10 but its not perfect, but I can live with its faults. But if I was to buy another tablet tomorrow I would definitely look around at the competition.
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Yeah its still a good tablet if you can get it for a decent price. I love mine, although it does have its flaws for sure. But if my tablet suddenly turned into a stack of $300 bills I am not sure I would buy it again. I would probably look at maybe a Sony Tablet Z.
The reason i say this is that the N10 is not a perfect device. For a start the battery is not the best. On 4.3 I would eek out 8 hours with very conservative use and low brightness. On 4.4 that has dropped to 6-7 hours on a very good day. The battery issue is mainly due to the chipsets used, which is a dual core A15 and Mali T604 graphics. Both of these are pretty power hungry compared to newer chipsets. Newer CPU's have lower powered cores which handle mundane tasks and conserve power. Also, the graphics use up 1GB of the system memory, so really you only get 1GB for system RAM and not 2GB like most tablets. Kitkat 4.4. had to be gimped on the N10 mainly due to the N10 not have enough grunt to run certain aspects of 4.4 like the translucent bars and ART without stutter. Another thing is its not a tablet to be held in portrait mode due to the design. It should be held in landscape mode at all times. It just feels way better held like that.
Don't get me wrong I love my N10, especially the design. Its definitely the best tablet in terms of ergonomics I have used. The screen is still fantastic and the speakers being on the front are really great and go to a decent level. Performance is also really good being vanilla android and all with no bloatware.
So I do love my N10 but its not perfect, but I can live with its faults. But if I was to buy another tablet tomorrow I would definitely look around at the competition.
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Almost Everything Warren_Orange has said is true to certain degree. The screen is still fantastic compared to newer tablets even though it may not be #1 anymore in terms of quality. Yes, ram on the nexus 10 is a little scarce due to the high screen resolution but its not a deal breaker by any means. KitKat has vastly improved ram management on this device and it is a night and day difference. Battery life could certainly be better and don't even get me started on the insanely long charging times lol.
A few things I would kindly disagree with is that "the processor in the N10 doesn't have enough power for 4.4." I think the features missing from 4.4 on the N10 has more to due with fact that its using an exynos processor and not snapdragon or some other mainstream chip. Exynos chips tend to be more locked down with their drivers and less compatible than other popular chipsets. I haven't come across one app or game that my n10 couldn't run or struggled with. If anything it seems like Google hasn't totally optimized this tablet to its fullest potential on the software end. Also I think the N10 is fine held in portrait mode. It just feels little odd at first if you're not used to a 16:9 tablet.
Like Warren_Orange said, the N10 isn't prefect but its still a great tablet. One thing I would recommend if you decide to purchase it (and are comfortable with) is root it, install a ROM like SlimKat Official build 3 and over clock the CPU and GPU (overclocking the gpu will be the most beneficial to help cope with the screen resolution while overclocking the cpu is totally optional as it already has two powerful A15 cores) while at the same time undevolting. This helps tremendously with the overall performance of the device and other gripes associated with it.
Good luck with your decision! And if you get the chance, please post back and let us know what route you decide to take. We're more than happy to help with more questions that may arise.
Well I love my N10! The battery life isn't that bad. I can usually get close to 10 hours with apps that don't tax the gpu. The charging time does stink... 5 hours is too long. All in all, I've been enjoying mine since last May. Just buy an N7 for now to hold you over to the next 10 incher is released. Purchased one for my wife and she loves it.
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I would definitely buy again, no questions asked.
I don't know what everyone else's problems with the battery life are, I get 1.5-2 days worth of use with mine including leaving it on all night unplugged. Even if the battery life is a "problem" for some, just plug it in each night anyhow and you're good to go.
The screen is phenominal on this thing, the front facing speakers are great as well. There's also plenty of developer activity, and a somewhat minimal amount of people having issues with their devices. The two biggest weak points that people seem to have in terms of having to return it are screen light leak, and the battery occasionally going from ~20% suddenly to 0%. Both of which, are fixed easily by Samsung via a return.
Outside that, I still really like mine, so I say buy one. Especially if you're going to be paying $200 less than what I paid for mine ($499?)
No complaints on battery life from me. The high-res display is what sells this thing, and as an added bonus it has front-facing speakers and is super lightweight. My only complaint is the finicky Wifi; depending where I am in the house, the Wifi becomes dog slow despite a strong signal.
If you can find a good deal on Nexus 10, then yes it's a worthy purchase.
I just got the Nexus 10 as a gift yesterday. So far I am liking it. I have had a rooted nexus 7 32gb first gen since it came out and I love that one. I am trying to decide whether to root the nexus 10 or not. I am sure that the other roms are better for battery life than stock.
Joe
Get a case with the magnet deal allowing it to sleep. Then set wireless to shut off when in sleep mode. This will help allot with battery life. I always charge mine when powered down (mostly overnight) that helps with charging speed some.
I have had the N10 awhile now, running ThunderKat 4.4.2 ROM and Kernel. No complaints here.
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I just got the Nexus 10 as a gift yesterday. So far I am liking it. I have had a rooted nexus 7 32gb first gen since it came out and I love that one. I am trying to decide whether to root the nexus 10 or not. I am sure that the other roms are better for battery life than stock.
Joe
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Root it add the recovery of your choice then install Viper4Android, Onandroid, Xposed framework and at least it's Gravity box module. All of which can be found by searching XDA.
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I have been a flash whore with the nexus 7 so I thought I knew what I was doing but what you just suggested to me I have not clue about the other stuff other than the recovery lol I will have to look it up and learn how to do all that.
Thanks.
Joe
ObsoleteSoldier said:
Well I love my N10! The battery life isn't that bad. I can usually get close to 10 hours with apps that don't tax the gpu. The charging time does stink... 5 hours is too long. All in all, I've been enjoying mine since last May. Just buy an N7 for now to hold you over to the next 10 incher is released. Purchased one for my wife and she loves it.
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With PoGo charger it only takes 2 hours, they are really cheap too. Also charges while you use it as well.
I love this tablet. I'm starting to think some people have N10s that were shipped with lemon batteries or something, if I use it occasionally I can go 3-4 days before charging with about 6 hours screen on time. Today (NCAA tournament baby) I abused the tablet all day and still got over 18 hours with 7 hours of screen on time, and it's sitting here hovering around 15%. Virtually all of those 7 hours were with the brightness at about 50% streaming video. Having said that, I got mine in November 2012 and am pretty anal about charging habits. This IS my first tablet, so maybe I'm not expecting as much out of my battery as other users?
I don't think I'll be purchasing the 2014 Nexus 10 (if it ever arrives), the current gen is every thing I need from a tablet and more. I suppose there are now newer tablets with better specs, but would it affect the utility it provides me? I think not.
If you are a spec whore, don't get this tablet. If you are looking for a top notch tablet with decent development that is currently selling for a relatively cheap price tag, GET IT!
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I read that Google is dropping the 10" for a new 8".
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Go for it. Even though i have an android phone or a pc when i get to home my nexus 10 is the only device i use, except for texts and alarm If you know what you can expect from a tab and you consider buying a nexus 10 i can tell you wont regret.
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Root it add the recovery of your choice then install Viper4Android, Onandroid, Xposed framework and at least it's Gravity box module. All of which can be found by searching XDA.
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Thanks for the post, will look into those two as been running pretty vanilla here for awhile.
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Lamski said:
I keep seeing these great deals on the Nexus 10. Although it's an old tablet it is well received and still seems to be among the best available. After deciding to wait for the new version, it keeps getting pushed back and who knows when it will actually be available? I think I may just go with the original N10 as my Asus TF300 is absolutely driving me nuts. It's nearly unusable at times... if it's doing any kind of app update or sync, forget it, it's unusable. I am rooted and on a custom ROM and still have issues. I was fed up and need a replacement now. Should I stick with the N10 or maybe look into some other tablets... Budget is around $300...
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If you're still interested, there's a seller on ebay that is listing a brand new 32GB N10 for $300: http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/116766/ebay---32gb-samsung-nexus-10-10-android-tablet
I've had N10 for 4 months, it goes alongside my N4 of 14 months and N7 of 20 months.
I use my N7 on long haul flights for space and battery reasons, N10 in hotels and home, N7 when really moving around a lot like on a bike and when going between meetings as it fits in a trouser pocket. My N4's with me all the time.
The N10's battery life really sucks, battery charging is slow, BUT I just use it in proportion to my other devices and I got the Pogo cable, when its not moving around its connected to the Pogo cable, that keeps on top of demand and I've NEVER had flat battery turn off problems. When I'm in situations with high mobility and not expecting much plug-in time I'm using my N7 which lasts longer and charges faster. N10 does say a trans-continent 5 hour flight fine but say California to Europe it can't but a N7 can with possibly an external USB slim battery top-up.
The N10 and N7 bluetooth tethering seamless flawless reliable to the N4 so I got phone and tablet online all the time when on the go.
The N10 absolutely best features are it's display 1st, outstanding, and then its speakers being stereo and forward facing so you can actually sit on your laptop or on desk, etc and sit and watch it would headphones and its just a pleasure.
My N10 crashes in certain situations, so I simply avoid those situations. Its camera doesn't work reliably for say Skype... so I use my N7 or N4 for that.
Just so long as you don't have too high an expectations, don't expect perfection, and use it in contexts which fits its limitations, then for the <$300 figure use it and enjoy. If you limit its use to contexts it should last enough years and betya you can replace its battery with a guide in a couple of years to re-life it if you wanted.
You can spend as much $ buying 1 device which aims to be better but 2 or 3 devices are better, particular as if say you're watching Hulu on you N10 and when annoying commercials (who needs a car anyway) come on just pick up your N7 and check your email, so "multi-window" by other means.
Notice how my N7 is coming to 2 years and still used? Because the big-screen graphics stuff is on the N10 and the battery-hog situations avoid the N10 and go to N7. I think that's the way to go. The idea of one perfect tablet never happens, plus it sucks if it breaks and its all you got.
I got one of these dual USB chargers and the Pogo cable makes all the difference.
Good stuff guys, thanks for all the great info. I did decide to get one as there was a good deal last week. however the 32GB model for $300 is a great deal and if I knew it was coming I would have waited one more week. I received it yesterday and so far so good. Everything I expected so far except the stock email client's hyperlinks aren't clickable. I had to switch to another email client app. I will look into the pogo plug but I'm not sure if I really need it.
I'm still playing with it but the performance so far is as expected and far exceeds the TF300 it is replacing.
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Good stuff guys, thanks for all the great info. I did decide to get one as there was a good deal last week. however the 32GB model for $300 is a great deal and if I knew it was coming I would have waited one more week. I received it yesterday and so far so good. Everything I expected so far except the stock email client's hyperlinks aren't clickable. I had to switch to another email client app. I will look into the pogo plug but I'm not sure if I really need it.
I'm still playing with it but the performance so far is as expected and far exceeds the TF300 it is replacing.
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How is the light bleed on your unit mate?
Cheers,
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How is the light bleed on your unit mate?
Cheers,
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I didn't notice any obnormal light bleed when playing with various brightness settings. Where are you typically seeing the light bleed?
I decided to go with the Alpha (Exynos) rather than the Nexus 6 for two reasons. First, having had a Note 2 and then a few phones later an LG3, I am tired of having a big phone, especially since I use a tablet to browse on the train. Second, I have always been jealous of the iPhone crowd having such nice looking phones.
The Alpha is the nicest Android phone to hold that I have ever had, and I have owned a few....
The pictures don't do it credit. The screen is simply beautiful. The metal feels fantastic. The whole feel is, to use a cliché, premium.
On the first day, I did a lot of remote desktop access and playing on the internet. It got very hot. Much hotter than the LG G3. Battery didn't last the day. What was worrying was that I if I used it for a short while, it got very hot very quickly.
On my second day, I turned battery saving on but only to limit the CPU (ie I left screen normal and location on). Totally different phone. Doesn't get hot at all and battery life much better ( I didn't have enough screen time to say I tested it properly - 83% from 9am to 9pm with minimal use).
Slowing the CPU made no difference to the ui. No lag and apps work fine.
As far as Touchwiz is concerned, it is OK. I have owned most of the Nexus phones and flashed many Cyanogen Roms and if I had a choice I would have preferred a GPE phone. However, once you get past the OCD about stopping all the Samsung bloatware draining the phone, you realize the ui is fine and you concentrate on the apps rather than the launcher. I switched off all the Samsung bells and whistles too....and there are a few!
I am waiting for the wireless charging back cover to arrive. Once I have that, I might disable the battery saving and see how it goes but on the other hand, I might just leave it on. I don't play games on my phone so I don't need a Ferrari engine to surf the internet or read my emails. And the heat it generated before can't be good for the phone or the battery.
All in all, very happy with the phone. I get a kick out of just holding it and looking at that screen... Sad! As a guy who changes phones every 3 to 4 months, I can give this phone a huge compliment: this is the first phone I really don't want to replace since my HTC HD2.
Update: After having used the phone for a few days, I am happy to report that the battery life is more than adequate. Starting at 7am, using 4G mobile hotspot for an hour, checking and responding to emails and making about three to four calls, I still have around 60 to 70% battery by 9pm.
I have the same situation and i pick alpha over any flagship fone for same reason Iike yours. Now Im waiting for spare batteries to be available in amazon or e abay, so I just swap the batteries if I run out... Instant 100% charge
you just say whats in my heart , i got many phones and they were awesome last one was the beast LG G3 and i was hating samsung phone due to many apps that included with UI touchwize but then when i saw galaxy alpha everything changed in my mind and i bring one as to be my long last phone to use each day , really smooth device even using battery saving mode and fits great in hand , you will love it more each day you will use it
I'm loving the look and feel of this phone I'll probably keep this one for awhile. I was upgrading from the nexus devices every year but the nexus 6 was a bit too big for me and I prefer the form factor of 4.7 inch phones.
It sems that we cant open ART in Developer option on Alpha,only Note 4 have this possability for now
And how is Your experience with galaxy Alfa and how it compare to Galaxy S5?
I just got an AT&T Alpha for $352.65 from eBay, which is supposed to be new but I think the seller lied (the home button has quite a number of scratches) but no big deal. I have to say I love this phone the most out of all the phones I've ever owned (iPhone 3G, 3GS, 5S, HTC EVO 4G, EVO 3D, S3, Note 2, Note 3, Note 4, Moto X). It's because of the look and build - very handsome and attractive, the size - I think it hits the perfect sweet spot of size for me, removable battery, and reasonably fast performance. I can now stop wanting to change my phone for a long while. Samsung should have continued with the Alpha and keep improving on it.
My first impressions :
1. Excellent design and feel
2. Powerful with 0 lag!!!
3. Very good screen ( super amoled in HD resolution is great for 4.7 inches )
4.Very good camera
5.Very good deep sleep of the battery
It's the first time i can't find something negative to tell about a smartphone. :good: Keep in mind that i don't play heavy games or surf the web a lot, so the small capacity of the battery is something that will not affect my opinion about Alpha.
Great work Samsung I was a hater all these years. Now i love you
Wow, sounds like a few of us are the same, I had the LG G3 but sold it. Probably the worst phone I've ever used, laggy, bad battery life and terrible camera. Planning on ordering an Alpha in the next few days, $300 brand new isn't bad. Can't wait!
Edit: its $260 new on eBay!
YOu know what I like about the ALpha is it square design, the ohter Galaxy devices are more rounded off and I think looks more childish instead this Samsung device looks more professional for my taste also it lays better in the hands wish it was a little bit smaller in the wide and it would have been perfect but then again I got woman hands ... I'm really happy with this phone except the finger scan kinda sucks, bcz it works half ass ...
But I'm on a big dillema now I received an email they gonna fix my Sony Z3 compact when I put in water but the sleeves werent closed off enough ... Anyway I don't know wich device I will keep now, I loved my Xperia bcz it fitted me better to the hand except it's little thicker and it's kinda plastic also the sound sucks ... Now the alpha dropped with 100 euros I can't ask as much as I wanted anymore don't know how much the Xperia dropped mean while ... I'm leaning more towards the Xperia bcz it's more compact to my woman hands But I love the design of the ALpha Really difficult choices to make also the price of selling the device will come in mind with this ...
really torn between these two devices ,
am talking about AOSP or CM on z5c , is AOSP working well on it ?
the 5x display is not that great , is the z5c display any better ?
any suggestion is appreciated .
I have just been evaluating the two side my side for the past fortnight trying to decide which to keep.
Hightlights of the z5c have been its size, speaker quality, and overall build quality. Micro SD slot is handy and waterproofness is nice to have. However I have found the camera to be very disappointing and slow to use and the results average. Also the smaller screen size can make operating Xperia keyboard and text input frustrating at times.. I dont htink the screen is as good as the one the Nexus but maybe thats just me. Excellent battery life. I have only tried Sony factory ROM and was not aware that others such as CM are available yet?
Highights of the Nexus 5x have been the crisp clean Marshmallow interface, good screen and excellent point and shoot camera. Screen is not as repsonsive as x5c when it needs to dim in a dark environment. It has a Terrific keyboard that is really accurate and easy to use. along with best fingerprint reader I have used. Downsides to it are its plasticy design with protruding lens which makes me reluctant to put it down on its back on a desk. even though I know the lens will not contact the desk. A Google Adopted TPU case fixed this though. But as soon as you encase it no-one will have any idea it is a google phone. Speaker is crappy and poor sound quality compered to z5c. USB C power cables are orphans and mean you cannot use existing A cables existing devices most people have. Couple this with a mediocre battery life can be problematic. Biggest downside for me though is its size. Too big too put into from jeans pocket and protrudes an inch or so out the top of shirt pocket.
So I ended up selling my 5x and keeping the z5c. My hope is that Sony will do something in the marshmallow update to improve the point and shoot usabilty of the camera. Hope this helps.
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I have just been evaluating the two side my side for the past fortnight trying to decide which to keep.
Hightlights of the z5c have been its size, speaker quality, and overall build quality. Micro SD slot is handy and waterproofness is nice to have. However I have found the camera to be very disappointing and slow to use and the results average. Also the smaller screen size can make operating Xperia keyboard and text input frustrating at times.. I dont htink the screen is as good as the one the Nexus but maybe thats just me. Excellent battery life. I have only tried Sony factory ROM and was not aware that others such as CM are available yet?
Highights of the Nexus 5x have been the crisp clean Marshmallow interface, good screen and excellent point and shoot camera. Screen is not as repsonsive as x5c when it needs to dim in a dark environment. It has a Terrific keyboard that is really accurate and easy to use. along with best fingerprint reader I have used. Downsides to it are its plasticy design with protruding lens which makes me reluctant to put it down on its back on a desk. even though I know the lens will not contact the desk. A Google Adopted TPU case fixed this though. But as soon as you encase it no-one will have any idea it is a google phone. Speaker is crappy and poor sound quality compered to z5c. USB C power cables are orphans and mean you cannot use existing A cables existing devices most people have. Couple this with a mediocre battery life can be problematic. Biggest downside for me though is its size. Too big too put into from jeans pocket and protrudes an inch or so out the top of shirt pocket.
So I ended up selling my 5x and keeping the z5c. My hope is that Sony will do something in the marshmallow update to improve the point and shoot usabilty of the camera. Hope this helps.
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thanks a lot , very helpful ,
and yes there is an AOSP 5.1.1 rom available for the z5c , no CM yet ( can't imagine it will be long before a release , given sony has released the binaries ) ,
here you go :
http://fxpblog.co/aosp/aosp-5-1/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/orig-development/aosp-builds-z5c-t3226266
I haven't tested the 5x yet, but have the z5c for about two weeks now and in my opinion there are two main issues with the z5c:
First the display colors really seem to be washed out, the black is more a really dark grey than a black (I don't know if this is due to a defect screen or if this is the case for all z5c's), also the display resolution of 720p isn't really enough for me as I clearly can see the edges of round app icons for example even when I'm farther away from the screen.
Also the increase of the phone temperature during prolonged use really bothers me, but that's a known issue of the Snapdragon 810. The camera is just okay, I honestly expected more, especially in low light conditions. But as far as is understand this is rather a post-processing issue than an hardware issue, I hope this improves with Marshmallow.
Two plus points are good battery live (maybe also due to the relatively low res screen) and the overall speed of the phone, which really has improved since the last firmware update.
I had both phones at the same time. Here are my thoughts:
Z5 Compact
+ I prefer the phone size much better
+ I play ingress, so prefer the better battery life and single handed use
+ I have a couple of external battery packs, which quick charge the Z5C
+ Waterproof
+ Really like that Sony went with regular micro-USB connector unlike the Z3C
+ Expandable memory. This can become expanded internal memory in Marshmallow
+ I love Tap to Wake
+ It is a sexy looking device
- Thicker than the N5X
- Not thrilled that the volume rocker is below the power button
- Surely majority of folks don't use the wrist strap feature?! It's a dust collector for me.
- Typing an issue on a smaller keyboard
- Voice recognition is iffy
- I hate that I don't have the option to turn off the notification light at when charging at night (always have to remember to place the phone facedown)
- Run hot under heavy use, but I use a case to avoid the slipper glass on the back anyway
Nexus 5X
+ Clean UI
+ Fast updates
+ Better fingerprint sensor
+ Thin and light
+ Better typing experience
+ Ambient display
- Too large for single-handed use
- Camera pops out like a nipple - could be seen as a positive
- USB-C means new expense on cables and charger (consider the added expenses here)
- My external chargers will work with N5X, but will not charge as quick as a licensed Qualcomm Quickcharge phone
- The vibration motor is a lot harsher than the Z5C. Not a fan.
- The mono speaker seems to be facing the back, but there is no opening on the back, so sound is kinda muffled.
- What's the deal with the giant bezel?!
- No expanded memory support
- The internal specs are lower (808 vs 810 in Z5C, and Adreno 418 vs 430 in Z5C). The Z5C guts are actually in the Nexus 6P, but with 3GB RAM.
I ended up returning the Nexus 5X primarily because of the size and having to make sure I have a USB-C cable handy in case I run through the battery. Even when I had the phone charging while I was playing ingress, the phone battery was discharging faster than recharging.
The Z5C is very comfortable to use. I do have an itch for a completely bloat free UI, with Marshmallow. Once unlock and root processes eventually get released/cleaned-up, the Z5C will be take a bigger bite into the Nexus 5X's main selling point.
N5X advantages:
- Camera (for photos) is in another league, look at the camera samples, the photos are very sharp compared to all Sony Z cameras.
- Fast updates.
- Stock clean Android (only Google apps that can be disabled) / Camera2 API / probably…not sure: Google Now Always ON / etc
Z5C adv:
- Battery life (If N5X battery life is less than 50% better than N5 battery, then it still really sux).
- Size (subjective)
- SoC 810 is much better.
- Long battery life when gaming.
- Some General hardware~ (mic quality / screen quality / etc).
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Finally i bought the 5x due to no AOSP roms available yet on z5c ,
thanks everyone .
So, I had nexus 5x for 1.5 month, got 5x after beloved Sony z5c international with fingerprint reader and wrist strap due to switching to verizon from ATT and it was cheapest of the semi-decent phones. I regret both.
1. While its compatible, and verizon sim works, i barely get signal 3G LTE to none while my other friends right next to me with iphones and samsung phones get high speed full bars 4g lte, so must be poor antenna or not fully compatible with verizon as claimed. And mind you its after hours on the phone with verizon i got it to even work. When i try send emails most times it flashes message every 1-2 seconds "no connection" "retry" then "connected", that creates multiple drafts when im trying to send email, nuisance to say the least. Or messages I thought were sent stuck in limbo, shown sent on device, but when login to email account from pc it isnt sent or even in drafts, so its on a device stuck, not sent even when connected while shown as sent on device.
2. giant phone not one handed. And no wrist strap hook!
3. Poor photo quality, no depth, poor resolution, only way to focus camera is to take 1 shot only then it tries to focus, any other way it would normally work on z5c with green to red focus window is not available. I tweaked it a bit using camera MX but even so, mediocre original software & hardware.
3. Pricy and no expansion memory, i got 32gb, and OS + apps already took over 20gb, and mind you i only have very few brain games and productivity apps like docsToGo that do not take much space, rest is android os itself upfront.
4. Not waterproof or resistant. Even when water droplet hits center of screen it acts out thinking its my finger, z5c did not react same way to water at all, it ignored it mostly, only responding to finger.
5. google keyboard is horrible, not even arrows to move coursor right or left within text, and gokeyboard became commercialized with adds so.. i didnt find better alternative, and you have to be precise getting it into right spot to insert extra words in between especially at the beginning of paragraph.
6. New Android version lost too many good features gaining none. Like little menu on the bottom right to close all open apps at once, gone! Now you have to manually close each app. specific to z5c mini apps like calculator, browser that can be used simultaneously with other apps window in window, shown both at once of course not included, and nothing similar available.
7. Battery life poor. I had about 5hours browsing no video out of it before it hits 20% mark from 100%, with video even faster. While usb c helps charge faster, true, but it doesnt help battery life , and no wireless charging, adapters just came to market, i do not think ill keep phone long enough to try if it works.
8. Back to memory expansion, so forget microsd, but even usb wont work. I have samsung duo usb3 to micro usb, so attempt 1 was to use anker adapter with my samsung usbduo drive and it didnt even register the drive. So i went ahead and bought an app to register usb c drive, didnt work. attempt 2 after shelling out for the nexus 5x compatible app, bought usb c flash drive guess what, only registers with that app, and even then cant just browse folders and files, open, work with file, save, ..no. you would have to copy to phone then work with file, save to phone only, and only then copy or move back to usb c drive. Really! So i scrapped that plan, went cloud, and got rid of usb c drive.
9. When plug in to pc have to manually each time select transfer files or it will only charge by default, havent found way to change that either.
10. Camera and fingerprint reader so close, guess where your fingerprint lands most times? Yup, keep wiping the camera lense.
11. Cherry on top, doesnt come with usb c to usb 2.0 or usb 3.0 cable, google store omitted that just saying charger and usb c cable, so as you discover that fact and jumping to look for a cable thats never seems available in google store site, your return time slot is closing down on you ..14 days..and you cant even test it with pc plugged in..
So, good stuff..fingerprint scanner works, usb c charge faster by 2x time.. that is about it.
Contacted google store and since its over 14 days = nonrefundable.
Conclusion, I am going back to AT&T and my beloved z5c! Yes, it doesnt have usb c and older (better version of android).. but guess what small, waterproof, has wriststrap to phone not just case, faster, better camera, better photos album layout, keyboard, LTE 4G without hangs and drops, same fingerprint scanner, and if i left out anything else, its there, on that sweet small device.
Perhaps someone else might find 5x mediocre good enough and cheap enough but for me I am ok going back to proven to be better for same price!
Edit: I didn't read the dates or the whole tread. I need sleep.
Hello,
I'm facing the same thing for a few days now; I'm hesitating between picking up a Nexus 5X or a Z5C, the first one has the advantage of frequent updates and clean Android experience but a relatively big screen while the second one has an ideal screen but I've heard about lots of overheating problems related to it.
So since it's 2016 and both phones are running Marshmallow, can you guys give me a quick update on your experiences now ? Thanks
Mephistorium said:
Hello,
I'm facing the same thing for a few days now; I'm hesitating between picking up a Nexus 5X or a Z5C, the first one has the advantage of frequent updates and clean Android experience but a relatively big screen while the second one has an ideal screen but I've heard about lots of overheating problems related to it.
So since it's 2016 and both phones are running Marshmallow, can you guys give me a quick update on your experiences now ? Thanks
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The Sony ui is still full of bugs but marshmallow performs at a decent level. Still nothing to compete with it in its size class.
Mephistorium said:
Hello,
I'm facing the same thing for a few days now; I'm hesitating between picking up a Nexus 5X or a Z5C, the first one has the advantage of frequent updates and clean Android experience but a relatively big screen while the second one has an ideal screen but I've heard about lots of overheating problems related to it.
So since it's 2016 and both phones are running Marshmallow, can you guys give me a quick update on your experiences now ? Thanks
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The z5c is a great phone, its just the battery life isn't the best in my opinion......you ever consider thinking of the Z3C? Im sure its a no since its been 2 years passed.
Thanks a lot for your feedback, As you said: the thing is that the Z5C has nothing to compete against in the small flagship category, if the battery lasts for a day on average use then I'm fine also the phone doesn't overheat from normal use as I've been reading all over the internet.
Regarding the Z3C, I think I can consider it if it's not too far from the Z5C performance, any feedback on that could be helpful!
Mephistorium said:
Thanks a lot for your feedback, As you said: the thing is that the Z5C has nothing to compete against in the small flagship category, if the battery lasts for a day on average use then I'm fine also the phone doesn't overheat from normal use as I've been reading all over the internet.
Regarding the Z3C, I think I can consider it if it's not too far from the Z5C performance, any feedback on that could be helpful!
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Z3c edges out slightly better in performance and dev support. BUT it has side charging port and flaps, not the most practical. It's all about your price range really.
Thanks a lot! Actually I have a bit of money on the side so I can get the Z5C, and in Europe the difference between the Z5C and the Z3C is like 60 dollars, the nexus 5x is the cheapest of all three phones
Mephistorium said:
Thanks a lot! Actually I have a bit of money on the side so I can get the Z5C, and in Europe the difference between the Z5C and the Z3C is like 60 dollars, the nexus 5x is the cheapest of all three phones
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Just like guy from above said, its all about your price/how much you can afford, ppl mainly go for nexus 5x for fast updates (pretty much it). If you not picky on the year, Z3C is your best bet if you want performance and best battery life and plus theres a unique developer at the Z3C forum that has been making the Z3C a perfect phone for anyone. The reason I got the Z5C is because I had screen issues on the Z3C and plus i was still in love of the compact series of the xperia. Z5C is doing fine for me
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Just like guy from above said, its all about your price/how much you can afford, ppl mainly go for nexus 5x for fast updates (pretty much it). If you not picky on the year, Z3C is your best bet if you want performance and best battery life and plus theres a unique developer at the Z3C forum that has been making the Z3C a perfect phone for anyone. The reason I got the Z5C is because I had screen issues on the Z3C and plus i was still in love of the compact series of the xperia. Z5C is doing fine for me
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Well thanks a lot, I do trust your ways around phones, so I've ordered a Z3C with a magnetic charger ( to avoid trouble with slot flaps ) think it's my best bet as you said.
Thanks again
Mephistorium said:
Well thanks a lot, I do trust your ways around phones, so I've ordered a Z3C with a magnetic charger ( to avoid trouble with slot flaps ) think it's my best bet as you said.
Thanks again
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Your welcome, be sure to go to the Z3C forum if you have additional questions, its really a good phone. I recommend flashing this rom to make your phone very unique but before doing that, you need root and recovery, thank God its easier to do it without unlocking the boot loader, just zoom in that forum for all of your questions, I wish you the best of luck!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/development/rom-slimm-t3359831
Mephistorium said:
Well thanks a lot, I do trust your ways around phones, so I've ordered a Z3C with a magnetic charger ( to avoid trouble with slot flaps ) think it's my best bet as you said.
Thanks again
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I suggest you cancel the z3c order. The Z3/Z3c is easy to has touch issue after 12~16 months, the touch panel life cycle is short, my friend Z3 got screen problem right after his warranty expired a few days(exactly 12 months passed) and he fuxked up and switched to Iphone, he was a Sony fans with only SE/Sony phones used in his life.
I admit Z3c got better software development, battery and thermal control. However, the camera on Z3c is worse than Z1c/Z5c. But if you only want a cheap compact and don't care buy another one after 1~2 years then Z3c is still a good choice.
TheEndHK said:
I suggest you cancel the z3c order. The Z3/Z3c is easy to has touch issue after 12~16 months, the touch panel life cycle is short, my friend Z3 got screen problem right after his warranty expired a few days(exactly 12 months passed) and he fuxked up and switched to Iphone, he was a Sony fans with only SE/Sony phones used in his life.
I admit Z3c got better software development, battery and thermal control. However, the camera on Z3c is worse than Z1c/Z5c. But if you only want a cheap compact and don't care buy another one after 1~2 years then Z3c is still a good choice.
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Hello and sorry I was on vacation )
Thank you very much though as (un)lucky as I am, I've returned the z3c via amazon but then I'm back looking, maybe I only have the z5c or something like htc m8 to go after.
Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the LG G6, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the LG G6 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Bought the phone preorder on the 17th and it came in on the 30th. So far I love this phone. Coming from the 6P its not renewed my interest in Android phones after not caring about upgrading for a year or two. Phone feels great in hand, runs smooth, looks awesome, and battery life impresses me. No complaints. Went to Best Buy to try out the S8 since Im still in the 14 day return period and decided to keep the G6.
Easily the best phone on the market. I keep the same phones for years, last phone being an LG-G2. This is the first phone that I was willing to upgrade to. Only thing I need now is ROOT so I can have my backup LG-G6 and this one synced exactly and just swap if any issues occur. NANDROID backups are crucial to me, so it's the only thing I feel I need at this point.
Just picked mine up from Verizon yesterday. First time with an LG Phone. It's alright so far- my older phone (nexus 5X) had the power button above the volume, and i'm pretty used to that. So that's an adjustment. But overall, I think that it's very nice. Fast, and feels durable. No major complaints.
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Just picked mine up from Verizon yesterday. First time with an LG Phone. It's alright so far- my older phone (nexus 5X) had the power button above the volume, and i'm pretty used to that. So that's an adjustment. But overall, I think that it's very nice. Fast, and feels durable. No major complaints.
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Not your first time with an LG phone. The 5X was manufactured by LG.
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Not your first time with an LG phone. The 5X was manufactured by LG.
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I was going to say the same thing but didnt want a negative perception of the G6. My girlfriend got her 5X when I got my 6P and that 5X didn't hold up well at all.
I came from 6p > one plus 3t > g6.
Love it
Just itching for TWRP and custom roms and MAYHEM!
I went from Sanyo MM5600 -> Sanyo MM9000 -> HTC One -> LG G2 -> LG G6. As you can see, I keep my phones for YEARS.
I just need root now for the Transparent modded Google Store, and to be able to remove bloatware.
great battery life, snappy performance, quick boot up, build quality is wonderful only con: bloatware.
I was an iPhone user. This phone grabbed my attention and I really like it so far.
I came from a Galaxy S7 which specs wise wasn't much of an upgrade.. Though, this phone runs circles around my Snapdragon S7 and doesn't seem to show any hint of slowing down.
I just picked this up today and I'm coming from a Nexus 6.
I have to say that this phone is making me sad. It's smaller than my beautiful giant and I just discovered that in the Google Play Music App there is no equalizer so my $200 Sony Bluetooth headphones sound like **** when casting from this phone. I ask for so little from a phone but for a manufacturer to kneecap an app that I use all of the time is making me want to return this thing. I honestly think I'd rather suffer with my 2+ year old beast with it's battery that is fading than use a phone that is making me cringe.
The zippiness of the processor and the 1 GB extra of memory doesn't seem to be enough to make me embrace this phone. I so wanted to like it.
There are apps for EQ. I used to use some on my G2 and they worked well.
I love this phone. Went up from an LG G3, which I also loved. This new phone is a work horse and charges lightening fast! I was not too happy about them making the battery permanent and only offering a 32GB model. But the fact that it's waterproof was something I was willing to give up (not being able to exchange the battery feature). To get over the 32GB drawback, I purchased a 256GB micro sd card for my phone, then used the tool to split the memory between the internal and SD card ( https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/auto-formatting-sdcard-to-internal-t3583875 ). The screen is awesome and the performance is so smooth. I do miss having root but the features this phone offers almost gives me every option I had with root on my LG G3. The fact that Sprint offered this phone at 50% off, allows me to pay in payments without interest, and finally they give me a Google Home unit for free made this purchase a no brainer.
Hammy1066 said:
I just picked this up today and I'm coming from a Nexus 6.
I have to say that this phone is making me sad. It's smaller than my beautiful giant and I just discovered that in the Google Play Music App there is no equalizer so my $200 Sony Bluetooth headphones sound like **** when casting from this phone. I ask for so little from a phone but for a manufacturer to kneecap an app that I use all of the time is making me want to return this thing. I honestly think I'd rather suffer with my 2+ year old beast with it's battery that is fading than use a phone that is making me cringe.
The zippiness of the processor and the 1 GB extra of memory doesn't seem to be enough to make me embrace this phone. I so wanted to like it.
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I am surprised that you didn't looked at the specs and do a side-by-side comparison before purchasing it.
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texasjmzmd said:
I love this phone. Went up from an LG G3, which I also loved. This new phone is a work horse and charges lightening fast! I was not too happy about them making the battery permanent and only offering a 32GB model. But the fact that it's waterproof was something I was willing to give up (not being able to exchange the battery feature). To get over the 32GB drawback, I purchased a 256GB micro sd card for my phone, then used the tool to split the memory between the internal and SD card ( https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/auto-formatting-sdcard-to-internal-t3583875 ). The screen is awesome and the performance is so smooth. I do miss having root but the features this phone offers almost gives me every option I had with root on my LG G3. The fact that Sprint offered this phone at 50% off, allows me to pay in payments without interest, and finally they give me a Google Home unit for free made this purchase a no brainer.
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I am ready to upgrade my G3 but am surprised that Verizon hasn't offered any discount on the G6 yet. I can wait until they offer the $10 a month deal like they did on the iphones last year.
Coming from the Note 5 the LG6 transition has been such a smooth experience. Most of the bloatware can be deleted in 2 minutes and the other frozen so really have no gripe about not having root. Battery life is excellent and aod works well. Never have been a fan of led notifications as for the ir for tv never used that so don't miss it. The software experience from lg is fluid and lag free and have come along way from the lg flex/flex2 I owned in the past. I installed a 128g micro Sd card and loaded my music ,movies and pictures on it so not having 64g to start is not a big deal. Being a camera fan this has been a joy to use and shoot. I mainly use manual mode and the macro shooting is incredible. Night shooting I use a tripod and have been able to take some amazing shots. Everyone talks about the premium feel and this phone has it. Fingerprint sensor is fast and accurate and placement is perfect.
The Lg G6 just feels right in the hand with the weight and thickness being just right. I am using the Spigen Neo case and is still smaller than my note 5 with no case. The only downside with the G6 is the headphone jack output could be a little louder. I am sure this phone will only get better with future updates and overall this is an amazing phone. In simple terms the G6 just works:good:
gflexstump said:
Coming from the Note 5 the LG6 transition has been such a smooth experience. Most of the bloatware can be deleted in 2 minutes and the other frozen so really have no gripe about not having root. Battery life is excellent and aod works well. Never have been a fan of led notifications as for the ir for tv never used that so don't miss it. The software experience from lg is fluid and lag free and have come along way from the lg flex/flex2 I owned in the past. I installed a 128g micro Sd card and loaded my music ,movies and pictures on it so not having 64g to start is not a big deal. Being a camera fan this has been a joy to use and shoot. I mainly use manual mode and the macro shooting is incredible. Night shooting I use a tripod and have been able to take some amazing shots. Everyone talks about the premium feel and this phone has it. Fingerprint sensor is fast and accurate and placement is perfect.
The Lg G6 just feels right in the hand with the weight and thickness being just right. I am using the Spigen Neo case and is still smaller than my note 5 with no case. The only downside with the G6 is the headphone jack output could be a little louder. I am sure this phone will only get better with future updates and overall this is an amazing phone. In simple terms the G6 just works:good:
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I noticed you moved from a Note 5 to the G6- could you comment on how your experience was with moving from AMOLED to LCD on this phone? I'm going to replace my Note 4 soon (i still love that phone) and haven't ever used LCD. I was really tempted by the LG V20- still chewing on maybe doing that instead. Thanks!
Oled has better blacks but G6 is respectable and the G6 looks better on everything else It all a matter of preference. Was at Best Buy today and played again with the S8 and in no way felt the S8 was better. G6 was more fluid and the screen whites just seal the deal. The note 5 I had needed root to get a better phone experience on the other hand LG has done it right out of the box and is a pleasure to use. Root is not needed to enjoy the G6.
Another note holding the S8 it just feels cheap where the G6 feels like money well spent. I purchased mine off Ebay new in box for 450.00. I consider it a steal at tjat price.
When I first got the LG G6 I wasn't terribly happy with it at first considering they removed one of my favorite features the IR blaster, and a few other things but I realize I guess I was more or less avoiding change. Now that I warmed up to the phone and also compared it to the S8 I'm definitely glad I stuck with LG. My battery life is definitely Superior to most of the phones I've had in the past I'm able to get almost a full day out of it was very heavy use and most of my features like location and Bluetooth on. As far as the design of the phone it is definitely a sturdy and sleek-looking phone. I do have issues with the Bluetooth app force closing a lot and I don't enjoy having the volume buttons on the side again. I keep turning off my screen when I instinctively go to turn up the volume. But with that being said the S8 does not have the remote feature on it and the speaker location is in the exact same spot meaning I'll cover it with my phone sideways on either phones. I did get a case and that has helped. Another thing that I like about the LG G6 is the location for the power and fingerprint reader is place in a very good spot and feels natural when turning it on and off. I can't wait for a route to come for custom kernels and ROMs but if it's anything like the G4 that may or may not ever happen. I've had the LG G3 G4 and now the G6 and I can definitely say I'm glad I'm sticking with LG and I feel some of my first reviews on it work bias based off of me wanting it to be like my old phone.
Great phone, snappy, all the features I really want, and no gimmicky curved screen. Side by side with the S8, this is the winner. Always had samsungs notes 2,3,4,5,(rip7)- and thought I was scared of LCD for no reason.