Last month, i've posted my nexus 5x was upgraded to 4GB RAM on XDA.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/4gb-ram-upgraded-nexus-5x-t3588743
Not sure you guys know it already or not, a 4GB RAM upgraded Nexus 6P has been made in China last month, this 6P came with the bootloop which the same issue in 5X.
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For your reference, here is the link to the original post :highfive:
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5085912273
Huh?
TokedUp said:
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what?
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He got his RAM chip switched out for a 4GB one. Just buy the new chip, solder off the 3GB one and reball the 4GB onto the motherboard.
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He got his RAM chip switched out for a 4GB one. Just buy the new chip, solder off the 3GB one and reball the 4GB onto the motherboard.
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but i remember he replaced the cpu as well
lol all that for an extra gb of ram? What a waste of time
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lol all that for an extra gb of ram? What a waste of time
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nah, he fixed this bootloop nexus 6p and upgraded to 4gb ram at the same time.
Good to know... some may do it if they have the back cover off to replace the battery, etc.
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nah, he fixed this bootloop nexus 6p and upgraded to 4gb ram at the same time.
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lol considering android has piss poor ram management, you wouldn't notice any benefit anyway.
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lol considering android has piss poor ram management, you wouldn't notice any benefit anyway.
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The ram management is actually very good. Ram management can differ from rom and kernel and what apps you use. Saying ram management is bad for Android in general is kind of stupid because that is very far from the truth.
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The ram management is actually very good. Ram management can differ from rom and kernel and what apps you use. Saying ram management is bad for Android in general is kind of stupid because that is very far from the truth.
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It really isn't man...
Why do you think phones are coming out with more and more ram? 6 to 8 gigs now..
Why do you think other os's can get by with 1 to 2 gb?
It is pretty commonly known it has bad ram management. Ask devs themselves if you don't believe me. Stuff gets closed after being in the background for mere minutes.
It is very poor actually, potentially the worst part of android imo.
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It really isn't man...
Why do you think phones are coming out with more and more ram? 6 to 8 gigs now..
Why do you think other os's can get by with 1 to 2 gb?
It is pretty commonly known it has bad ram management. Ask devs themselves if you don't believe me. Stuff gets closed after being in the background for mere minutes.
It is very poor actually, potentially the worst part of android imo.
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While that's partly true I still stand by my point as it isn't the case with the whole android os. Some phones do have bad ram management and need lots of ram. However some phones I have used like ones with 1gb of ram have run very smooth and I've checked ram management from lots of phones and the majority of them are very smooth and have great ram management. I'm not sure if the ram management problem you are talking is from old versions of Android and how old the info you are getting is but it could very likely be improved with new os and kernel updates.
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While that's partly true I still stand by my point as it isn't the case with the whole android os. Some phones do have bad ram management and need lots of ram. However some phones I have used like ones with 1gb of ram have run very smooth and I've checked ram management from lots of phones and the majority of them are very smooth and have great ram management.
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Nah man it's an android os issue...
Watch speed tests with other os's. The pixel for example even gets destroyed by phones on other os's.
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That being said, supposedly android O is supposed to be fixing that. Stopping apps being able to go crazy in the background chewing up resources
Also how would it be older versions or old info? I'm on the same phone you are.
Yup an 1gb RAM Android device is a crap and slow phone as hell... I'm a fan of android but we have to say the truth, android RAM management isn't nearly to be the best, for example you can install and run Windows 7 even Windows 10 on a 512 MB of RAM and runs pretty well. And a Android device needs at least 2gb to run decently and you'll see some redraws some times.
But I'm happy with my Angler (best phone that I but every) and will buy the Pixel 2, Android rules ?
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DorianX said:
Yup an 1gb RAM Android device is a crap and slow phone as hell... I'm a fan of android but we have to say the truth, android RAM management isn't nearly to be the best, for example you can install and run Windows 7 even Windows 10 on a 512 MB of RAM and runs pretty well. And a Android device needs at least 2gb to run decently and you'll see some redraws some times.
But I'm happy with my Angler (best phone that I but every) and will buy the Pixel 2, Android rules
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It's awesome for sure. I love it but would still like to see improvements. I feel like it's time they took performance more seriously.
Though I know how it works on here. If I'm critical in any way people don't want to hear it. Things don't get better if you act like they're perfect.
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It really isn't man...
Why do you think phones are coming out with more and more ram? 6 to 8 gigs now..
Why do you think other os's can get by with 1 to 2 gb?
It is pretty commonly known it has bad ram management. Ask devs themselves if you don't believe me. Stuff gets closed after being in the background for mere minutes.
It is very poor actually, potentially the worst part of android imo.
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I assume you are talking about IOS since it's the only relevant major OS rival.
Now here is the question; can apps and Android run better than IOS even with the same Ram size? in theory yes if only Android was installed into one brand and apps are optimized for that brand devices like what is happening with Apple Iphone. The simple truth is that an app developed for 1 brand will always run smoother and faster than the ones developed for multiple brands and devices.
So the major issue isn't how much ram you need because Android can run smoothly with 1G of ram but as long there are updates to apps and those apps aren't specifically optimized for that device you wont get the same smooth performance you felt when you first used your device. The other point i would like to add is that you will always need more ram whether it's Android or IOS because of the nature of development and hardware power needed for better visual performance.
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I assume you are talking about IOS since it's the only relevant major OS rival.
Now here is the question; can apps and Android run better than IOS even with the same Ram size? in theory yes if only Android was installed into one brand and apps are optimized for that brand devices like what is happening with Apple Iphone. The simple truth is that an app developed for 1 brand will always run smoother and faster than the ones developed for multiple brands and devices.
So the major issue isn't how much ram you need because Android can run smoothly with 1G of ram but as long there are updates to apps and those apps aren't specifically optimized for that device you wont get the same smooth performance you felt when you first used your device. The other point i would like to add is that you will always need more ram whether it's Android or IOS because of the nature of development and hardware power needed for better visual performance.
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Has zero to do with how it performs, and IOS yes but others as well. I love android and ios, both for different reasons.
What I am talking about is ram management. It closes apps randomly in the background, often within a few seconds. I hate coming right back to an app or game to find it closed.
Android phones with 4-6gb still have this issue, and it is a huge one.
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Has zero to do with how it performs, and IOS yes but others as well. I love android and ios, both for different reasons.
What I am talking about is ram management. It closes apps randomly in the background, often within a few seconds. I hate coming right back to an app or game to find it closed.
Android phones with 4-6gb still have this issue, and it is a huge one.
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I see, but the reason that some apps are being killed isn't random it's because of battery optimization which started with the introduction of Dose in Marshmallow and now a little improved on Nougat and will continue on with Android O. If you go to the battery section in settings and check your apps you will see most of them are optimised if you want certain apps to not be closed simply select don't optomise and they will not be closed but all of this will be on the expense of your battery life.
This article will further explain: http://www.androidbeat.com/2017/03/how-to-stop-android-apps-killed-marshmallow-nougat/
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I see, but the reason that some apps are being killed isn't random it's because of battery optimization which started with the introduction of Dose in Marshmallow and now a little improved on Nougat and will continue on with Android O. If you go to the battery section in settings and check your apps you will see most of them are optimised if you want certain apps to not be closed simply select don't optomise and they will not be closed but all of this will be on the expense of your battery life.
This article will further explain: http://www.androidbeat.com/2017/03/how-to-stop-android-apps-killed-marshmallow-nougat/
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I know all about this..
Been using Android since 2008. Even on the pixel it's still an issue, watch speed tests yourself. Closing an app you literally just had open has nothing to do with battery life or optimisation.
It lets background apps devour ram with nothing to reign them in, while apps that you just opened and use much less ram get closed instantly. It does not allocate it how it should.
O will be fixing that anyway no doubt, from what I've read at least.
he just fixed my bootloop issue by replace my cpu
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817 MB of RAM. I assume the OS has 200MB reserved. On boot up, it says about 550MB in use and 267 Free. Whats chomping up the memory? Right now built in task manager says only "Internet" browser is open and using 70MB. But only 150MB Free. Wheres all the memory going?
Also, is video memory dedicated ot shared? Thanks in advance.
Bro we're running sense. Mac OS probably uses less resources.
Although ur task manager has no active apps, there still are cached apps. Android does this automatically so the apps u used recently will launch faster. This has nothing to do with sense. Although, sense ui and process do take up a lot of active and cached memory. I would not worry that you don't have enough memory. As son as you launch an app that requires more memory android will clear active and cached processes until it has enough to run your request.
You also don't see system or hidden processes that are using memory in the task manager...
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It's sense man. It is the HEAVIEST manufacturer skin out there period. If you want more free resources you can always temp root and debloat/de-sense. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1367591 has what you need. Not sure what temp root he has there. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1373471 the temp root in this thread lasts a long time, unless you reboot then it will be gone. Good luck!
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Bro we're running sense. Mac OS probably uses less resources.
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LOL +1
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That made me LOL for real!
New to htc, coming from og Droid
Use the clean tool in the dev section. Disabling all the bloatware and especially sense has increased my available memory tremendously. As I write this reply, my total free memory is 383mb with a few small things running. Previously, with the internet and a few apps open I was seeing closer to 150mb. All the crap that comes preloaded really bogs down the phone.
For what its worth, my quadrant score went from 2100 avg to 2500 avg.
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New to htc, coming from og Droid
Use the clean tool in the dev section. Disabling all the bloatware and especially sense has increased my available memory tremendously. As I write this reply, my total free memory is 383mb with a few small things running. Previously, with the internet and a few apps open I was seeing closer to 150mb. All the crap that comes preloaded really bogs down the phone.
For what its worth, my quadrant score went from 2100 avg to 2500 avg.
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CleanTOOL!!!! F T W ! ! ! ! ! !
Yea... IM at work.... Bored... Pissed off... Tired of the boss' bull****...
Ineed to have fun... So I started trolling today
We need full root I'm going through withdrawals
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Yea... IM at work.... Bored... Pissed off... Tired of the boss' bull****...
Ineed to have fun... So I started trolling today
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Did you make sure to have a bowl of trolli O's?
As others said its definitely sense 3.5 thats probably taking up about 100mb with all 3d **** and widgets, hell ADW2 takes up about 45mb. Android klls processes as it needs it
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yeah after clean tool with adw or go launcher ive still got like 300mb of ram left
I know everyone keeps saying its a sense thing but I have my doubt about that. I have an stock rezound ( no debloating no desensing). I have 124 apps installed. I always have no less then 320mb of free ram every time I have checked. I would say yes sense does use about 150-200 mb of the ram. But if your using an ADW, Go Launcher, or whatever launcher you use and you use a lot of widgets I would say your not really saving much. But as others have said I wouldn't worry about it cause android will manage your ram as needed.
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I know everyone keeps saying its a sense thing but I have my doubt about that. I have an stock rezound ( no debloating no desensing). I have 124 apps installed. I always have no less then 320mb of free ram every time I have checked. I would say yes sense does use about 150-200 mb of the ram. But if your using an ADW, Go Launcher, or whatever launcher you use and you use a lot of widgets I would say your not really saving much. But as others have said I wouldn't worry about it cause android will manage your ram as needed.
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I have anywhere from 450 MB -500 MB of RAM free upon boot w/ all widgets loaded etc. If I have a ton of apps open I have like 200-250 free at all times. Debloated and Desensed.
Thanks for all the replies. I totally forgot about Sense. But I'm not complaining, it runs smooth and fast always. The bloatware is more of an annoyance than anything. I dont use 3/4th of the crap they threw in there. As for root, I'm waiting for the perm root. I like to reboot every now and then as it clears out some garbage memory that sometimes causes problems....like cached js in the browsers. You can clear cache in settings, but I bet it dont clear whats in RAM.
I know it has its own graphics processor, but does anyone know if it shares the RAM or has its own dedicated memory chipset?
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I have anywhere from 450 MB -500 MB of RAM free upon boot w/ all widgets loaded etc. If I have a ton of apps open I have like 200-250 free at all times.
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How the hell u get so much free RAM? You must NOT be running a VZW Rom.
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How the hell u get so much free RAM? You must NOT be running a VZW Rom.
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S-ON Rezound just like the rest of you guys. Debloat and Desense, I have 400-500 MB of RAM on boot, with my normal usage 200-300 ish and I do have quite a few things open at the same time. As you can see w/ the SS' plain ol VZW ROM.
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I know everyone keeps saying its a sense thing but I have my doubt about that. I have an stock rezound ( no debloating no desensing). I have 124 apps installed. I always have no less then 320mb of free ram every time I have checked. I would say yes sense does use about 150-200 mb of the ram. But if your using an ADW, Go Launcher, or whatever launcher you use and you use a lot of widgets I would say your not really saving much. But as others have said I wouldn't worry about it cause android will manage your ram as needed.
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Same here I never have less then 332 and after killing via htc task manger I have 440.
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As others said its definitely sense 3.5 thats probably taking up about 100mb with all 3d **** and widgets, hell ADW2 takes up about 45mb. Android klls processes as it needs it
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sense barely approaches 60mb for me. Its all in what you use. Adw uses about 45, android pro widgets for my calender and contacts uses 15mb, hd widgets uses 15mb...
I have no problems with a stripped version of sense where you freeze or uninstall the parts you don't use.
I only use adw because of the choice in customizations, not because it runs faster. It doesn't for me. Scrolling wallpaper is jerky.
So... I have been struggling to get rid of home screen lag on this device. I am now down to about 5 Widgets and only 2 home screens populated and I still have to consistently wait for the home screen to populate. Sometimes it takes 6-7 seconds, which Is really annoying. Anyway I downloaded memory booster to keep the ram cleaned up, and it indicates that I only have 768mb, not the advertised 1gb. On my xyboard it indicates the correct amount... did I get a bad device or has anyone else noticed this too? In my experience 768 just isn't enough to get a snappy experience in ics so I am pretty worried about this.
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I think we may only have 768MB but I cannot find any proof of it, and no one else has been able to provide any proof...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1506603&highlight=1gb
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The Samsung Captivate only has 384MB of real system RAM. NOT the 512MB it was said to have.
.....and the Infuse had 452 Avail......
My unlocked note has 800mb free while my att note has 768mb free..not to mention my unlocked note gets way better battery life and doesn't lag. I wanted to stay with the att version but too many issues. Unlike my skyrocket which was flawless. Maybe att needs to push out an update for the note to smooth it out.
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That's a big let down... great that att took an awesome device and completely gimped it. Sigh.
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Well it seems that the note does have 1gb of ram but 300mb of that is inactive?? How do we activate it!!!! lol If you download and install quadrant and look at the information tab all the way at the bottom it has ram information and this is what it says. if it really is inactive im not happy because we need all the ram we can get, i sure it would help out with the lag.
I think you need to hard reset your device. I am using the stock launcher and have no lag whatsoever. Yes it is 768mb but that's enough. I froze all my non needed apps BTW.
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So... I have been struggling to get rid of home screen lag on this device. I am now down to about 5 Widgets and only 2 home screens populated and I still have to consistently wait for the home screen to populate. Sometimes it takes 6-7 seconds, which Is really annoying. Anyway I downloaded memory booster to keep the ram cleaned up, and it indicates that I only have 768mb, not the advertised 1gb. On my xyboard it indicates the correct amount... did I get a bad device or has anyone else noticed this too? In my experience 768 just isn't enough to get a snappy experience in ics so I am pretty worried about this.
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The missing ram is used by the system core.u can fix the lag by using a cpu app and set min speed to 500mhz at boot.
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The missing ram is used by the system core.u can fix the lag by using a cpu app and set min speed to 500mhz at boot.
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Where is the proof though?
We have 1gb. My ateix showed the same thing
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256K is used as video ram and system stuffs. All smat phones are using a portion of the ram for system. Galaxy S has 512K ram but only 377K is used for apps.
Edit: K->M
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I think odds are that 256mb is being used by the gpu. There is no such thing as the kernal 'hiding' ram. Unfortunate thought that the gpu doesnt have its own discrete memory.
I have a sensation with the revolution HD rom. In gingerbread it was absolutely the fastest GUI I have ever used on an android device. In ICS, though, its slower. 768mb of ram just isnt enough to take advantage of android. Again, sigh.
I, also, have frozen more apps than I have seen anyone else post yet. Still consistently sitting at about 560-600mb used.
It does have 1gb of RAM but the OS uses the other 200-something. Even my skyrocket and hercules had the same amount. if you use CM then it frees up some more space. Also, how is 700mb+ ram not enough? o-o I've NEVER seen mine go over 550 used out of the total available, no matter how many apps I'm running. I also read that in Android/Linux, the ram that isn't used is useless so the more ram it uses the better (I may be wrong on that?)
Not to jack this thread; but really where is the proof?! Just because someone says it does, does not mean it does... I do not know if it does or does not have 1GB of RAM but I think we all want to know...
Here is some proof that the Samsung Captivate really only has 384MB of traditional RAM...
http://sean-the-electrofreak.blogspot.com/2010/12/mystery-solved-how-samsung-pulls-off.html
I have been looking for something like this regarding the Note...
According to what I have read... the way linux/android uses memory is nothing like windows... as long as there is enough to run the program... everything is fine... not like in windows where things run better with more memory free...
My guess on your lag is that you have something in the background eating up cpu cycles...
Maybe watchdog might give you some more information?
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I have zero lag with TW launcher, but considerable lag with launcher pro plus.
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In ICS, though, its slower. 768mb of ram just isnt enough to take advantage of android. Again, sigh.
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The Galaxy Nexus reports 768mb of RAM, and it runs ICS just fine.
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According to what I have read... the way linux/android uses memory is nothing like windows... as long as there is enough to run the program... everything is fine... not like in windows where things run better with more memory free...
My guess on your lag is that you have something in the background eating up cpu cycles...
Maybe watchdog might give you some more information?
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This guy here is correct. In android the more RAM won't speed up performance of the OS. Android is not designed like windows. Killing apps will increase battery life, but not performance.
The note DOES have 1gb or ram. A portion of it is inactive UNTIL the point you use up all your available 732mb of RAM (which is no easy task considering how the OS closes inactive apps in exchange for another). This is probably done so that the OS is not wasting hardware resources for no reason.
So in all, RAM itself is not the reason your phone has performance issues. Their may be a particular app causing a cpu problem. I would also consider maybe using a higher clock speed maybe? Although I have not done so myself and my note runs great.
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I had tried two ICS roms so far as we lose over 100mb in useable ram going from gingerbread to ice cream sandwich. Just wondering if all of the ICS roms are like that or not?
Any idea why we lose 100mb? I'd really like to have it back
It seems like that RAM is being allocated to integrated graphics and I did notice this across the board between dagr8's and smartguys port of team perfection ROMS.
Subscribed for more information, good question if we can change allocation.
Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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There's this misconception that used RAM = slower, laggier performance and that also is not the case.
People need to check their Windows PC conceptualization of RAM usage at the door.
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Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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you are correct. Samsung dedicated more ram to the video card, which is probably to fix the black crush and gradient issues that are in the stock rom. Apparently the video ram allocated in gingerbread cant drive this monstrous display like they thought.
it does suck losing it, because its just that much less left for multitasking, but it fixed the display issues so its a good trade off for me.
also, this issue is not in android devices with tegra 3. With tegra 3 the video card has dedicated video ram, meaning that a 1gb android device shows 1 gb of total ram since its not shared with the video card. This is great because it means better multitasking because more apps stay in memory.
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Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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The obsession with usable ram is smoothness, it makes a difference, if it didn't why aren't we still all using 512mb phones?
Once the ram is filled up swapping has to occur, when this happens cpu cycles and flash read/write cycles are introduced and they slow down your experience..
Losing 100mb of ram is a big deal, its over 33% of available ram for me. And it does effect performance unfortunately.
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There's this misconception that used RAM = slower, laggier performance and that also is not the case.
People need to check their Windows PC conceptualization of RAM usage at the door.
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It feel totally makes a difference, I have been complaining about this issue for the longest and all I hear is that it doesn't do anything to our phone. If it doesn't do anything why do I keep getting a message that states that I have no more ram and that it will close everything to free up ram. This is one thing that I really don't like about Android, I sure hope that this changes in the future, because no matter how much ram is installed on our phone we will always have an issue because we cant control what apps we can fully close..
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The obsession with usable ram is smoothness, it makes a difference, if it didn't why aren't we still all using 512mb phones?
Once the ram is filled up swapping has to occur, when this happens cpu cycles and flash read/write cycles are introduced and they slow down your experience..
Losing 100mb of ram is a big deal, its over 33% of available ram for me. And it does effect performance unfortunately.
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100=1000/3? You might want to double check that one.
No matter how many tabs I open in chrome, along with beautiful widgets and Facebook, 2 email accounting syncing and Engadget, joystick, reddit and XDA apps running I never take a performance hit.
My advice is to spend less time running quadrant, your rams are being out to good use.
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100=1000/3? You might want to double check that one.
No matter how many tabs I open in chrome, along with beautiful widgets and Facebook, 2 email accounting syncing and Engadget, joystick, reddit and XDA apps running I never take a performance hit.
My advice is to spend less time running quadrant, your rams are being out to good use.
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I think he meant 1/3 of free ram. Typically a stock gingerbread from had 320-350mb free ram.
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I think he meant 1/3 of free ram. Typically a stock gingerbread from had 320-350mb free ram.
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Correct.. I lost 100mb or so of free ram, which forces the phone to swap more often. If we lost it to help the video card then that's fine, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something else.
Maybe with an official build of ICS the sluggishness will be better...
Interesting point here... I saw a screen shot of an international Note on ICS and the max free RAM was at 803 MB. Maybe its just an issue with our ics leak that we have so little free RAM?
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Been doing some testing on this. It appears that limiting the background applications to three returns the free memory back to gb levels. Been testing this all day with my objection rom, and my used memory has not gone above 472 used with 3 background applications running. That leaves plenty of room to run my games in the forground or office applications. Phone has been running smooth and with out error.
In objection rom to limit the back ground applications. Settings /development options / limit back ground process.
Also been looking at my wife's nexus with non rooted ics. Her phone shows 728 Meg of available ram. Not sure why our leaked version is showing only 656.
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Thanks! after reading this post...I went into the ICS settings on Unofficial ROM and set the settings to 3 background and kill apps on exit..it improved A LOTTTTT....Ive been lurking a long time and this is the best advice I have read!
There are a few droids released this year with 2 gigs of RAM like the US/JP S3,optimus G,padfone 2 and google's own nexus 4.But is it really necessary ? or is it just for marketing like it is the case with 1080P(440ppi) screens ? As far as I know,you can open around 20 apps on an android phone with 1 gig of RAM.Who would open more than that ? I personally only run 6 apps max in the same time,opening more(like I actually need to) would just result in more battery drainage.Some people say that android apps will need more RAM in the next couple of years but I don't think this would be the case.Apps should be encoded well to actually become LIGHTER not HEAVIER.What do you guys think ?
2gb would help me run a GNU/Linux inside a chroot.
Madarox said:
Apps should be encoded well to actually become LIGHTER not HEAVIER.
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I bet it won't happen.
Once I downloaded a simple 3D Rally game, and it used 320 MB RAM. I only have 410 MB left after the phone booted, so it would be nice to have more.
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There are a few droids released this year with 2 gigs of RAM like the US/JP S3,optimus G,padfone 2 and google's own nexus 4.But is it really necessary ? or is it just for marketing like it is the case with 1080P(440ppi) screens ? As far as I know,you can open around 20 apps on an android phone with 1 gig of RAM.Who would open more than that ? I personally only run 6 apps max in the same time,opening more(like I actually need to) would just result in more battery drainage.Some people say that android apps will need more RAM in the next couple of years but I don't think this would be the case.Apps should be encoded well to actually become LIGHTER not HEAVIER.What do you guys think ?
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I agree that it would be great if apps started getting lighter. It's kinda irritating that Android as a whole kinda seems to be getting more boated lately too. Just because the technology and hardware exists (such as 2 gigs of ram or quad core cpus) is no excuse for bloated coding and programs IMO.
Android is Linux based. Unlike a PC OS like windows, it uses as much RAM as it can. Its built that way. Example: Facebook, Twitter, browser, XDA app running. If you have say 200MB free, android will give more to the apps that are being used. So if browser is just sitting there idle, Facebook and Twitter which are realtime, would get more RAM for better performance. 2GB RAM would be so much better and honestly I would love to have more than that. Closer to 4GB just to have fun with. And maybe I'm crazy, but I just like the idea of it.
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Well nowaday it seems that more is better than less so... why not? in the future maybe 4gb ram is standard for smartphone like dual-core cpu is a standard for a medium smartphones right now. I mean that belong to the future so for now more ram more speed more storage less money is better for me ^^
At present it might not matter but........ eventually it'll needed it.
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Eventually I think it will be standard to have at least 1.5GB ram and a 1.5ghz processor and maybe 16GB internal storage.
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danishprakash said:
At present it might not matter but........ eventually it'll needed it.
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Eventually I think it will be standard to have at least 1.5GB ram and a 1.5ghz processor and maybe 16GB internal storage.
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I still don't see why android would need more than 1GB of RAM in the coming years.If 2gb of RAM would be a necessity for the OS to run properly then I assume google would stop updating the nexus S[512MB RAM],galaxy nexus and nexus 7 [both 1GB RAM] a year from now.If apps would need them,then mid-range phones with 1GB RAM or less wouldn't operate properly.
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Android is Linux based. Unlike a PC OS like windows, it uses as much RAM as it can. Its built that way. Example: Facebook, Twitter, browser, XDA app running. If you have say 200MB free, android will give more to the apps that are being used. So if browser is just sitting there idle, Facebook and Twitter which are realtime, would get more RAM for better performance. 2GB RAM would be so much better and honestly I would love to have more than that. Closer to 4GB just to have fun with. And maybe I'm crazy, but I just like the idea of it.
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Except that these apps don't actually need the RAM,lol.Maybe only the browser if you have 5+ tabs opened.
Browser uses about 150MB somehow for me with one tab open.
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The os dosnt need this much. However the more ram the more apps can be kept running thus better multitasking.
This is the case with most computers there will always be those high end specs that few really need but it some what future proofs for a few years
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Relax... having more ram is just like having more money in your pocket... and it's not like u gonna use all of the money in your pocket at the same time anyway, has to save some left for something "unexpected" to happen right? and if google stop supporting Nexus S so what? we still have a lot of devs always ready to make a cook rom for it (and personally i like cook rom more).
I'ts not the end of the world if we have more ram
Hey guys am using HTC one V,but am not satisfied with that so i have an idea to buy a new phone HTC Desire X.
i have checked in many websites about the phones's user comments.
Most of them are saying that they have some random reboot problem without rooted & hangs while sharing in bluetooth & produce much heat while browsing and all.
please suggest me shall i buy Desire X or not...
please help me guys:crying:
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Hey guys am using HTC one V,but am not satisfied with that so i have an idea to buy a new phone HTC Desire X.
i have checked in many websites about the phones's user comments.
Most of them are saying that they have some random reboot problem without rooted & hangs while sharing in bluetooth & produce much heat while browsing and all.
please suggest me shall i buy Desire X or not...
please help me guys:crying:
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Nah... Just buy a One S or a Nexus 4
The Android Manual said:
Nah... Just buy a One S or a Nexus 4
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tanx bro:laugh:
Nothing wrong with the Desire X at all.
Mine works fine with ICS. I am waiting for the latest JB to come out bugless:fingers-crossed:
I just had a LCD screen issue that the suppliers fixed under warranty.
The phone does everything that it is supposed to do.
If you look after your phone, it will look after you.
ORA
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Nothing wrong with the Desire X at all.
Mine works fine with ICS. I am waiting for the latest JB to come out bugless:fingers-crossed:
I just had a LCD screen issue that the suppliers fixed under warranty.
The phone does everything that it is supposed to do.
If you look after your phone, it will look after you.
ORA
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Is the jb update is conformed?:laugh:
yes, look at name of threads or google
and beware, there are some grammar nazis who would eat you alive for last post
btw if you have enough funding, get some nexus device (as much as I like my dx, I had to say that)
I can tell you that I am very happy with my Desire X, when running on a custom rom it is incredibly fast, especially for this price.
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knielen said:
I can tell you that I am very happy with my Desire X, when running on a custom rom it is incredibly fast, especially for this price.
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exactly, best price/performance ratio I have ever seen in smartphone area, but still, it isnt flagship, never was intended to be, never will be. If you want good phone for good price, go for it, I can only recomend. If you want really high-end phone, or just bigger screen, there are other options, but not DX.
if you have a low budget then buy this phone... its not that big and super fast for games and others...
if you can afford a more expensive phone then buy something better
but just to know that devs started working a lot on this phone and it will become a lot faster
Am looking phone for gaming without lags
which is best for tat?
not much costlier
I would say go for Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini . It's got 1GB RAM , more internal storage and a better graphic chipset .
It's just a little more expensive .
One of my friends has it and it just feels alot more polished and smooth . The extra-RAM are no big deal though . I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM , but on S3M it lags less . I guess the graphic chipset helps alot .
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I would say go for Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini . It's got 1GB RAM , more internal storage and a better graphic chipset .
It's just a little more expensive .
One of my friends has it and it just feels alot more polished and smooth . The extra-RAM are no big deal though . I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM , but on S3M it lags less . I guess the graphic chipset helps alot .
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"Free ram" is windows bull****, android has nothing to do with windows or the way how they works or handle ram, since its basicaly a linux distro...
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"Free ram" is windows bull****, android has nothing to do with windows or the way how they works or handle ram, since its basicaly a linux distro...
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Ok, why dont you try and open as many apps until the ram is full. Then try to use your phone, see what happens.
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Ok, why dont you try and open as many apps until the ram is full. Then try to use your phone, see what happens.
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Free RAM = Wasted RAM. Full RAM = Awesome Multitasking.
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Stereo8 said:
Free RAM = Wasted RAM. Full RAM = Awesome Multitasking.
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Nope do some tests before you say that. In windows when the ram is full or already used or the program needs more the program crashes then you have to close/exit it manually. In android the system closes apps automatically to free up more ram for the app that you are currently using. More free ram= less lag. Ever wonder why there are so many scripts for ram/memory managment if free ram is useless. Anyway no use convincing you. Hehe just sharing what i understand. Cheers
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The Android Manual said:
Nah... Just buy a One S or a Nexus 4
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The Nexus 4 is nice yes, but still not the best, it has many problems and features that didn't work right and some bugs which Google didn't fix for many updates....
If you have enough money, I would choose the new HTC One
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Nothing wrong with the Desire X at all.
The phone does everything that it is supposed to do.
If you look after your phone, it will look after you.
ORA
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Yes that's the point ^^ The Desire X is not the very best High-End phone, but it is still a very nice and great working phone with good performance
I love it <3
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Am looking phone for gaming without lags
which is best for tat?
not much costlier
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desire x is a good device dont bother looking for galaxy s3 mini its not released nor will it release in india.The nexus 4 if released at the US price point is an excellent buy else if from what i have heard @500$ seems kindof pricey.
Look at LAVA XOLO Q800,Micromax Canvas HD, Spice Titanium s1 ,and all the other local brands if you aren't so hung up about custom roms(I for one am).
If you are willing to wait for say a month or so there is Xperia L(Available for preorder) ,Optimus L9 And ofcourse there is Galaxy Grand.
EDIT: #zen-mode-ON
the desire X is the true choice of Needs and Wants it is actually everything that you need(yes gaming is also very good eg Dead Trigger). But then what exactly you want a 10 inch screen 16 core processor 1TB ram the demands are endless so you have gotta make a choice a balance between needs and wants.
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Nope do some tests before you say that. In windows when the ram is full or already used or the program needs more the program crashes then you have to close/exit it manually. In android the system closes apps automatically to free up more ram for the app that you are currently using. More free ram= less lag. Ever wonder why there are so many scripts for ram/memory managment if free ram is useless. Anyway no use convincing you. Hehe just sharing what i understand. Cheers
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I am not saying that every last piece of ram is used by cache, after phone reboot, you have plenty of free ram, until you start acctualy use apps and fill cache a bit, but linux is working with ram not unlike windows, you said that yourself. I never said memory management is useless, ofc it is usefull, a lot, my point was that claiming "I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM" has same value as "I had pancakes yesterday" ... I could have, while playing nova 3 much more free ram if I am after phone reboot (and plenty of other ways), I can have less free ram if I used plenty of apps before, it still wont change quality of gameplay, smoothness or anything (unless you really try to make it laggy with anything you have got, which is possible ofc).
quick edit: I am multitasker, I have never met any lag apart from starting apps and other "regular ones" android is handling this pretty good
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I am not saying that every last piece of ram is used by cache, after phone reboot, you have plenty of free ram, until you start acctualy use apps and fill cache a bit, but linux is working with ram not unlike windows, you said that yourself. I never said memory management is useless, ofc it is usefull, a lot, my point was that claiming "I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM" has same value as "I had pancakes yesterday" ... I could have, while playing nova 3 much more free ram if I am after phone reboot (and plenty of other ways), I can have less free ram if I used plenty of apps before, it still wont change quality of gameplay, smoothness or anything (unless you really try to make it laggy with anything you have got, which is possible ofc).
quick edit: I am multitasker, I have never met any lag apart from starting apps and other "regular ones" android is handling this pretty good
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ok got your point.i have a different experience so maybe we have different opinions. no point in debating. cheers
to the ts. i really dont like the cpu and gpu combo in the dx.. gpu not that good.. if it had a better gpu maybe i would buy this. go find a device with a good gpu from mid to high. this is just low end gpu. adreno 203 < sgx 531 based on my experience and benchmarks. so better find a cellphone with a good gpu that how i choose a new phone though.
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I am not saying that every last piece of ram is used by cache, after phone reboot, you have plenty of free ram, until you start acctualy use apps and fill cache a bit, but linux is working with ram not unlike windows, you said that yourself. I never said memory management is useless, ofc it is usefull, a lot, my point was that claiming "I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM" has same value as "I had pancakes yesterday" ... I could have, while playing nova 3 much more free ram if I am after phone reboot (and plenty of other ways), I can have less free ram if I used plenty of apps before, it still wont change quality of gameplay, smoothness or anything (unless you really try to make it laggy with anything you have got, which is possible ofc).
quick edit: I am multitasker, I have never met any lag apart from starting apps and other "regular ones" android is handling this pretty good
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I didn't mean that having more free RAM is a bonus , I just wanted to point out that RAM is not something to take into consideration when gaming . Speciffically , that it's got more than enough for any high-end game . Having enough or more than enough are both better than NOT having enough at all .
Indeed I am a lot more familiar with Windows' way of dealing with RAM , however I've seen how Linux works as well , and even though you are right in saying that using more RAM grants you better multitasking , the way Android handles the RAM on the DX is far from perfect . From my experience , Samsung devices manage RAM A LOT better than any other brand I've tried so far (at least on low / middle end devices) . HTC doesn't do a bad job , but it's not to be praised either , at least not on the DX . Then again , look at an LG's RAM management and you'll most likely start crying xD !