How to determine which model you're buying secondhand? - Moto Z Questions & Answers

I've been doing research on what Z to buy and this is what I've come up with from all the confusing data, please tell me if I'm wrong/right?
(I know this information is found in other places on the forum, but consider this the condensed version?)
All Moto Z are model XT1650 and it's the two digit number after that denotes the specific regional model.
XT1650-01 = Verizon. Locked bootloader, no root, limited 4G bands
XT1650-02 = Force/Verizon. Locked bootloader, no root, limited 4G bands
XT1650-03 = International-ish version, unlockable bootloader and rootable, most 4G bands
XT1650-04 = Underground version? Sasquatch Force? Antartic market? Locked/unlockable?
XT1650-05 = Chinese market, unlockable bootloader? rootable? All dual sim, limited 4G bands
It would seem that an enthusiast would want the XT1650-03 model since its bootloader is unlockable, should be sim-unlocked, and has all of the important 4G bands. So... If you're buying a secondhand phone, how do you tell which is which?! They all look the same. They're all advertised as model XT1650 on eBay or Swappa. Most sellers don't seem to know the difference between phones. I've seen many listing the model number as XT1650-03 but stating that it came from Verizon. I've only found a few select listings where the seller posted a clear picture that shows the full model number next to the USB port. Is this the only way to tell? Does the phone give the full model number with the two identifying -00 digits under About Phone, or Regulatory Information, or some other menu?
This is like going over to a friends house and they've got identical quadruplets. Who's who man!?

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Moto E XT1527 use outside US

I'm sorry in advance if this is a stupid question, but I can't seem to find an answer anywhere.
I bought the unlocked XT1527 from Amazon.com thinking there were a lot of bands listed and it would likely work wherever I went. However, in Singapore, with M1, it almost exclusively connects at 2G, though sometimes shows me LTE. In the UK on Three, it won't connect to anything at all.
Is there any way of changing this up with software or do I just need to get a new phone?
All you need to do is match the bands of the phone with the carrier you're going to use. Check that the Moto features the primary frequencies, but non-US countries usually have very different LTE/Hspa bands.

Does anyone know he model numbers for the variants yet?

I'm interested in the straight up, non-carrier version of the North American model of the LG G5. Not the carrier version, that will surely come pre-loaded with useless carrier apps. I made that mistake with the Galaxy S6 last year, and yeah I got my free year of Netflix, at the cost of my sanity dealing with invasive pre-loaded apps.
This year I want to buy a LG G5 in it's simplified glory, unlocked.
Does anyone know specifically where I can buy what I'm looking for? I don't want to buy a random G5 on eBay, and then have it turn out to be like a T mobile version or something.
B&H is advertising an unlocked North America LG G5 (model: RS988) on their site: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1239314-REG/lg_lgrs988_ausasv_g5_h850_32gb_smartphone.html
One caveat, they state that the phone's hardware supports North American carriers' GSM and CDMA networks, but they also state that its up to the carrier to allow activation of the device on their networks. Just because it supports Verizon's LTE bands and CDMA, doesn't mean they will let you use it.
Also, it's too early to tell whether or not the bootloader will be unlockable, which is a requirement to get root on Android 6.0/Marshmallow.
Canadian Model H831
LG website shows Canadian model: LGH831
Att us - h820
this is one thing I hate about LG, there is so many different models. Why cant they just slim the models?
billybob275 said:
B&H is advertising an unlocked North America LG G5 (model: RS988) on their site: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1239314-REG/lg_lgrs988_ausasv_g5_h850_32gb_smartphone.html
One caveat, they state that the phone's hardware supports North American carriers' GSM and CDMA networks, but they also state that its up to the carrier to allow activation of the device on their networks. Just because it supports Verizon's LTE bands and CDMA, doesn't mean they will let you use it.
Also, it's too early to tell whether or not the bootloader will be unlockable, which is a requirement to get root on Android 6.0/Marshmallow.
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Do you know what the RS988 price is or if B&H accepts PayPal?
Chocolina said:
Do you know what the RS988 price is or if B&H accepts PayPal?
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Sorry, I'm not sure yet. They will probably post it on their site in the next week or so.
billybob275 said:
B&H is advertising an unlocked North America LG G5 (model: RS988) on their site: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1239314-REG/lg_lgrs988_ausasv_g5_h850_32gb_smartphone.html
One caveat, they state that the phone's hardware supports North American carriers' GSM and CDMA networks, but they also state that its up to the carrier to allow activation of the device on their networks. Just because it supports Verizon's LTE bands and CDMA, doesn't mean they will let you use it.
Also, it's too early to tell whether or not the bootloader will be unlockable, which is a requirement to get root on Android 6.0/Marshmallow.
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i hope i can use on a verizon mvno and i also hope that the boot loader will be unlockable.
anyone know if i will be able to take advantage of the pre order deal if you ordered from them?
Verizon G5 = VS987
PROcede said:
Verizon G5 = VS987
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Some models are: F700K/L/S, H820, H830, H831, H850, H860, H868, LS992, US992, RS988 and VS987
Full list of models and bands each phone supports can be found in my "General Thread" here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g5/how-to/info-autos-g5-thread-t3350648
T-Mobile USA is identified as LG-H830.
Does anyone who has a dual SIM version H860 or H860N or any other knows if when using only 1 SIM you have the no SIM icon on top (because of the second SIM empty slot)?
Thanks
gsanches said:
Does anyone who has a dual SIM version H860 or H860N or any other knows if when using only 1 SIM you have the no SIM icon on top (because of the second SIM empty slot)?
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I have the H860N. I only use the SIM1 slot and there's no such empty SIM icon at the top.
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Not sure if RS988 is equal to US992.

help with picking the right phone

hello, i bought an "unlocked" moto e 2nd gen lte phone from amazon, theyve sent me att go phone with network unlock code, phone itself is locked and impossible to unlock, theres so many versions and models of this phone out there, just need someone to advice which model (place to buy) can be fully unlocked and used with att regular lte sevice, thanks
Xt1524 is the model you want. Some xt1527 can be bootloader unlock(us cellular model) but if you can get your hands on a xt1524 you will be fine
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xdaxxlelvis said:
hello, i bought an "unlocked" moto e 2nd gen lte phone from amazon, theyve sent me att go phone with network unlock code, phone itself is locked and impossible to unlock, theres so many versions and models of this phone out there, just need someone to advise which model (place to buy) can be fully unlocked and used with att regular lte sevice, thanks
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For AT&T usage, if you want an unlockable bootloader, you'll need to get either a Moto-direct XT1527, a Canadian XT1527, or the US Cellular XT1526 (with GSM-enable trick).
Due to the lower price, the AT&T/GoPhone/Cricket XT1527 has flooded the market, so you really have to look hard to find a Moto-direct XT1527 (Canadian ones are relatively easy to identify, just look at the seller's location!).
For the Moto-direct XT1527, the key is to look for a listing that does not say "carrier packaging", and does not say "unlock code" or "unlocking procedure" (the Moto-direct model is SIM unlocked by default). Unfortunately, most of the descriptions on Amazon don't give much detail. You'd probably have better luck on Ebay, since sellers tend to include more details and sometimes photos of the device and boxes. Did a quick look on ebay, and this listing seems to suit your need, but it's pretty expensive: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Motorola-MOTO-E-XT1527-8GB-Black-Unlocked-Smartphone-LTE-/251923588971
Alternatively, the US Cellular XT1526 has all of the AT&T bands, is SIM unlocked, can be bootloader unlocked, and is readily available ($40 new on Amazon). If you want to stick with the stock ROM, you need to perform this trick in order to enable GSM mode: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-e-2015/general/help-confirm-5-1-how-to-verizon-moto-e-t3264258 If you want to go custom, you may not need to perform the trick, I'm not sure.
903tex said:
Xt1524 is the model you want. Some xt1527 can be bootloader unlock(us cellular model) but if you can get your hands on a xt1524 you will be fine
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The XT1524 does not have any US LTE bands.
The US Cellular model is the XT1526.
Yea got my model numbers confused
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Us Cellular version to use with Verizon

So I just read and saw on line that the US Cellular version of the LG G6 is on $550 buy it out right. Would this version work with Verizon Wireless. It looks to have the same LTE bands. What would be the chance of buying and putting a Verizon sim in it and it works out the gate. Anyone have any ideas?
https://www.uscellular.com/devices/phones/lg-g6-platinum.html?productId=prod9410143
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GSMarena doesn't currently list 3G bands for the US Cellular G6 (US997). However, I've seen the Verizon and US Cellular versions of phones differ on 3G bands before (see the Galaxy S7 USA, for example), so 3G might have problems if you just popped a Verizon SIM card into a US Cellular G6.
I'm wondering if there could be a similar method to the one that was discovered for the HTC 10 where you flash radio images from the Verizon variant onto another phone:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-htc-10/how-to/vzw-how-to-unlocked-model-vzw-t3376743
Is the us cellular version factory unlocked? It is the same model number as the unlocked version, us997. I'm looking to use on AT&T.
It looks like you have to pick up some kind of plan from them to get the $550 price. It's probably better to go the b&h route (or hope vzw does a mother's day week sale).
Update: Ended up buying a new us cellular us997 for cheap. Popped my straight talk/at&t sim in and it works flawlessly. I always use this site to check bands
https://www.frequencycheck.com/compatibility/0Dlph6Y/lg-us997-g6-lte-a/united-states
I have used that site several times and its always been accurate. From what im seeing, the us cellular model supports all of the bands needed for verizon. It doesnt support CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rel. 0 but does support CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rev A. So if 3G is a major concern, I'd check and see which one is used in your area. I personally wouldn't care about the 3G considering the price difference of the USC model and the fact that all LTE and voice bands are supported. Hope this helps
puff601 said:
Is the us cellular version factory unlocked? It is the same model number as the unlocked version, us997. I'm looking to use on AT&T.
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Question "factory unlocked" phone vs a carrier unlocked phone?

It seems to me that, at least with Samsung, there may be a difference between a phone which is factory unlocked versus one that has been carrier locked and is now unlocked.
For instance, with a Samsung Note 20 Ultra 5G, there are many different model numbers. The models numbers ending in XAA are the factory unlocked models where carrier models may end in suffixes like ATT, SPR and VZW etc. In the case where phones end with carrier suffixes, it seems that the radios in those phone may not get unlocked to support all the bands even after the phone is carrier unlocked. Am in imagining this? In the case of Samsung at least, when a phone is unlocked from a carrier, is its radio unlocked also or am I right that the radio can still be limited to the bands which were allowed for that carrier even after the unlock?
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