How does Honor perform smartphone reliability test and what's it's level in the smartphone industry？Do they follow double standards while testing flagship phones and non-flagship phones？I've always been curious about these until a few days before I saw one authoritative product manager from Huawei posted a detailed answer of my doubt on the popular Chinese forum "Zhihu". From this post, I get to know more about them. So I translated it with google and modified the language a little bit so that I can share it with your guys. Hope this is helpful to you while you're choosing your next decent smartphone.
The post from Uncle Xiong on "Zhihu" is as follows. Hope you enjoy it guys, and if it is hopeful don't forget to give thanks. Thank you.
How’s Huawei Honor’s Reliability Test Standard? Which Level Is It in the Smartphone Industry?
Author: Junmin Xiong
Source: Zhihu
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Uncle Xiong coincidentally saw these questions on Zhihu a few days ago, and because I know a thing or two about them. So, I marked it out immediately. And till today, I can spare some time to share some of my humble opinions.
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Before drawing a final conclusion, Uncle Xiong will first make an introduction of the reliability test, and, by the way, answer some of the questions which the former answerers are not certain about.
1. Introduction to Huawei's Reliability Test
The reliability test in the R & D phase is equivalent to a mobile phone access mechanism in order to solve the design problems, ensure the normal use of mobile phones, and perform standard production. After the test, then it enters the mass production procedure.
During this phase, various types of hardware and software including antennas are tested for reliability, and the reliability test of the hardware is relatively strict.
In this period, 90% of the problems can be solved, then comes the reliability test of the mass production phase, it will solve the remaining 10% problems.
In the mass production phase, there is generally a variety of stress tests, problems are easy to measure. Testing items and testing methods both follow a standard list. You must strictly follow the flow of the list and operation cannot be done as a matter of experience.
Now, let’s talk about some of the testing items:
1) Drop Test
The drop test simulates the process of dropping a phone from normal height to the hard ground. The distance between the phone and the ground is divided into several ranges including 0.5m ~ 0.6m, 0.7m ~ 0.8m, 1m, 1.2m, 1.5m and so on. Phones are tested from six sides including up, down, front, back, left and right, and four corners. If the display of the phone remains in a good condition after dropping down, then it passes the test.
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In actual use, the phone drops in thousands of different ways. Even if we can simulate 50 to 100 of them, there are a lot of unexpected drops. Here, the roller test can help us imitate a variety of ways how a phone drops and through which we’re able to find the fragile points of the phone.
2) Roller Test
In the rotating roller, the phone is rolling freely. Before the final confirmation, each device has to go through 2500 times (including 500 times normal test) reliability test in the roller with a diameter of 0.5m and 300 times reliability tests in the roller with a diameter of 1.0m.
3) Buttons Durability Test
Generally, most cellphone manufacturers will perform the button test for their phones, the step value of the test number is 200,000, and the limit is 1,000,000 times (including the number of routine tests).
4) High and Low-Temperature Storage Test
We simulate the environmental conditions of all the places around the world in our lab. The mobile phones are tested at a low temperature at -40 ℃ and a high temperature at 70 ℃ for 72 hours to measure the performance degradation of the phones in transportation due to frequent temperature change.
There are lots of other similar tests, such as bearing pressure, distortion, port durability, etc. These tests are set according to the actual use of mobile phones in everyday life, and the test may vary and be adjusted according to the actual using circumstances. But there are also some tests which are called "abnormal" by some people.
Honor 6 Plus Air Rifle Shooting Test
Honor 7 Burst TestThere is one test that Uncle Xiong will condemn:
By the way, we do not draw the samples for reliability test on a pro-rata basis. Instead, we randomly draw samples on the production line according to a certain number. For example, we have to extract 200 phones for dropping test and for high temperature and high humidity test, we select 300 phones. Regardless of the number of the phone we produce, we extract two or three hundred phones for each test project including high and low-temperature test, humidity test, drop test and so on. For each product model, tens of thousands of phones are selected to test, it is enough to expose the most of the problems.
The products tested in the figure above are all two or three years before, but our reliability testing standards are getting more stringent. You may have noticed that in the promotional page of Honor phones, there are some reliability data displayed. You may go and check it when you’re available.
Let Uncle Xiong take five and later I will reply the questions we mentioned at the beginning.
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After a five minutes nap, Uncle Xiong is back again.
2. To some of the remaining questions of the previous answerers:
1) Some of you may be curious, is there a difference of the reliability testing standard between the flagship and non-flagship phones?
If there were standard A and B, then it must be a few years ago, now all the phones are tested with the same highest standards, even the cheapest phones are tested like flagships.
2) How many years is Huawei's mobile phones’ testing standards based on?
Our declared warranty period is one year, but the reliability criteria for all the components of the phone are based on a reliability test for at least five years. According to environmental standards, the testing standard for mobile phones is at least 10 years.
3) Like what @ penyoulaileyouhaojiu said:
"The director of Huawei's quality control department is responsible for the KPI results based on all the abnormal and independent standards. Even manager YU as director in the business group cannot force them to make even the slightest compromise or change their decision. So the quality control department is the department that we all respect."
KPI is indeed independent, as for the "abnormal", well, uncle Xiong thinks......
Specifically, the boss of the quality control department has the one-vote veto of the products, his role is equal to the king from this aspect. As long as confirms that the quality of the product can’t meet the standard, no matter how anxious the Marketing Department is to release new products, or even if the boss has permitted it, he still has the right to vote against it.
But this is also a double-edged sword, as opposed to the power is the responsibility. Once the product is released, if there are any quality problems, the boss of the quality control department will be the first person who is responsible for it.
4) After answering the questions of reliability test, by the way, I will speak a word of the quality control
Compared to the reliability test, quality control is a production process control, that is, to ensure that no problem will occur in the production process, to do all the things right at one time is related to all aspects of the production process.
The big-scale manufacturers who cooperate with us all have extensive OEM experience of the major cellphone brands. Quality control among them is very strict.
The most basic ISO standard in the plant can be used as a reference, as well as various factory quality controls, many QCC control charts, and a very detailed SOP operating manual to ensure every step is standardized and mechanized, and finely controlled to exclude the interference of human factors in every step.
Uncle Xiong will show you an example so that you can understand it better. There is a pass-through rate on the production side during product control process, and that is the product passed through rate in one test. We request the rate should be above 97% ~ 98%, and the remaining 2% to 3% of the mobile phone needs to be reproduced, even if they are just cell phone packaging mistakes. The higher the pass-through rate, the lower the rework rate, representing the better the phone quality.
5) Emphasize: there are two factors that apply equally to all cell phone vendors: BUG and Consumer Criteria
Even if the reliability test and quality control test are strictly in accordance with the standards, BUG may occur at times, which can’t be avoided.
Because the production materials cannot guarantee 100% yield, there are very few errors and man-made damage in all aspects during the production, which are within the controllable range, and it is not a large-scale quality problem. And from the software aspect, software always owns tons of functions, which can’t all be covered by the test. And some errors may gradually appear during use that didn’t occur in the test before. And of course, our engineers will gradually improve them.
Before shipping, the reliability test is performed to a very high standard, such as, software reliability should be more than 99%, but there are points that people will complain about. Different consumers have different needs, and their expectations of mobile phones are different, and for mobile running speed, we all have our own standards, even running test software is not absolutely objective, Uncle Xiong won’t evaluate it here, consumers and the market will naturally choose the on the own.
3. Conclusion
Apple and Samsung are on the top level of the quality standards, and if we step down a little bit, then it must be Honor.
How's the performance of the new Honor View 10? Does it support the popular carriers in America? Does it come with Gorilla glass protector？
I've also been wondering if the Honor View 10 will support ATT. This phone looks great for its price.
Redn2000 said:
I've also been wondering if the Honor View 10 will support ATT. This phone looks great for its price.
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There is an live Q&A today at about 10pm, and it begins in 30 mins, you can ask questions there.
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From experience I know that devices have variations in performance from one unit to another. So I usually test multiple units and keep the one I am most satisfied with.
I tested 4 units (G versions) - 1 grey and 3 gold and my latest has given me the most satisfaction, in particular in terms of battery performance.
Not all devices have the same battery capacity
My first 3 devices had 3140mAah battery and 7h15 of SOT in continued use (less if you have standby periods) with mixed WiFi and mobile network. My latest device has 3,237mAh battery capacity and 7h45 hours of SoT in the exact same conditions, as estimated by Accubattery. I can definitely tell the difference. I cannot say whether the larger battery size was just implemented because of mounting complaints or if there is always a mix of 2 different battery suppliers. Would appreciate if people could do the testing and give their purchase date. My latest device was purchased 3 days ago and had B04 on it. Previous devices had B03, but all of them were updated to B06.
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The software updates do not work properly without factory reset
If you experience overheating, short freezes, scrolling issues in particular while charging or downloading over the network, this is most likely due to a software update without factory reset. If you download an update and install it, always reset the phone. Charging temperature under those conditions can go as high as 44°C.
What people experienced as poor signal in some reviews was in fact small freezes because the dB readings did not change in major way with software updates.
Initially the included case was thicker and the headphone jack opening was too narrow.
The case was refined to be thinner, lighter and better wrap around the phone.
The speaker quality improves with continued use
A newer phone will always sound lighter and brighter but over time it will develop more medium and low tones. There are only mild variations in speaker quality across devices.
Screen calibrations vary from one device the the next
Greyscale accuracy seems to always be around 2.6 whereas color accuracy is usually around 6.5 however the white balance on some devices has a slight green cast, others are have a bit more red or blue. The difference clearly visible but moderate.
My "enhanced" Axon 7 shows 3168 mAh estimated out of 3250 mAh design. It is only 1 week old. I use AccuBattery Pro as well.
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puremind said:
From experience I know that devices have variations in performance from one unit to another. So I usually test multiple units and keep the one I am most satisfied with.
I tested 4 units (G versions) - 1 grey and 3 gold and my latest has given me the most satisfaction, in particular in terms of battery performance.
Not all devices have the same battery capacity
Devices used to have 3130-3142mAah battery and 7.6 hours of SoT in continued use (less if you have standby periods) with mixed WiFi and mobile network. My latest device has 3,237mAh battery capacity and 8 hours of SoT in the exact same conditions, as estimated by Accubattery. I can definitely tell the difference. I cannot say whether the larger battery size was just implemented because of mounting complaints or if there is always a mix of 2 different battery suppliers. Would appreciate if people could do the testing and give their purchase date. My latest device was purchased 3 days ago and had B04 on it. Previous devices had B03, but all of them were updated to B06.
Moderator Edit: a similar thread on this topic exists HERE
The software updates do not work properly without factory reset
If you experience overheating, short freezes, scrolling issues in particular while charging or downloading over the network, this is most likely due to a software update without factory reset. If you download an update and install it, always reset the phone. Charging temperature under those conditions can go as high as 44°C.
What people experienced as poor signal in some reviews was in fact small freezes because the dB readings did not change in major way with software updates.
Initially the included case was thicker and the headphone jack opening was too narrow.
The case was refined to be thinner, lighter and better wrap around the phone.
The speaker quality improves with continued use
A newer phone will always sound lighter and brighter but over time it will develop more medium and low tones. There are only mild variations in speaker quality across devices.
Screen calibrations vary from one device the the next
Greyscale accuracy seems to always be around 2.6 whereas color accuracy is usually around 6.5 however the white balance on some devices has a slight green cast, others are have a bit more red or blue. The difference clearly visible but moderate.
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Interesting post. Who knew quality control varied so much? I understand that not all SoCs are created equally so therefore some are faster than others but not a huge difference. Back when I had the Nexus 5 some users had a psv of 1 and others had a psv of 0 I believe. So that may in part change battery life too and temp.
TheLastSidekick said:
Interesting post. Who knew quality control varied so much? I understand that not all SoCs are created equally so therefore some are faster than others but not a huge difference. Back when I had the Nexus 5 some users had a psv of 1 and others had a psv of 0 I believe. So that may in part change battery life too and temp.
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Well apart from the battery, variability is pretty low on the Axon 7, I have seen much worse, e.g. on HTC devices. AMOLED usually have more straightforward calibration due to their black levels and linear response.
The battery is a biggie, as some users will get about 30min less SOT.
ZTE said batteries certified for 3140mAh can still have an effective capacity of 3250 mAh.
Initially they had announced the phone with the smaller capacity but now it is supposed to have 3250mAh, however tear downs revealed the design capacity was 3140mAh and so far to my knowledge, people who have estimated it using an app, came. Up with the lower 3140mAh figure.
I can't say for sure if ZTE change something in the voltage, powerage or had a different electrolyte (like the OP3T vs. OP3) but if it is random, it seems a bit unfair.
The OP made the point in the first few lines - OP tested 4 different Axon 7's, all of them the G variant. Am I the only one to notice that if you take all the problems people have had with this phone in general and 80% or more of them is the G variant, and very few problems arise with the chinese and north american variants? Hummm ............. makes me wonder if people in Europe started speaking with their wallets and not just handing them money for known garbage that ZTE might just clean itself up
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The OP made the point in the first few lines - OP tested 4 different Axon 7's, all of them the G variant. Am I the only one to notice that if you take all the problems people have had with this phone in general and 80% or more of them is the G variant, and very few problems arise with the chinese and north american variants? Hummm ............. makes me wonder if people in Europe started speaking with their wallets and not just handing them money for known garbage that ZTE might just clean itself up
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I have personally been happy with my devices, the software was a bit buggy at first but as I purchased newer software versions were already available. They were some disgruntled reviews on online shops so I think it got ZTE's attention. I think it is unfair to suggest that Europe people were wiling to settle with poor software. In my estimation they didn't.
Here is an updated estimate after more cycles of charges. Anyone else got the higher 3250mAh battery size? All my other phones had 3140mAh or lower.
I got this pic from this teardown video. In the pic you can see the capacity at 3140mah.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=M0HE_jhS3J8
Didn't Oneplus squeeze out more Mah out of the regular OP3 battery on the OP3T? it could be just same battery + less voltage = more battery? my guess is that's whats going on here.
rpsgrayfox said:
Didn't Oneplus squeeze out more Mah out of the regular OP3 battery on the OP3T? it could be just same battery + less voltage = more battery? my guess is that's whats going on here.
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Actually OnePlus refuted it was a voltage thing apparently the electrolytes were different in the OP3T's battery.
Whatever it is, just as with the OP3T the difference in battery size is not theoretical, it does translate into improved SoT and the battery estimates also clearly show 2 different measurements. So it is a big deal. It would be useful to get readings from newer devices using accubattery to see if there is a trend towards the larger capacity in newer devices or whether it is just luck of the draw.
borijess said:
I got this pic from this teardown video. In the pic you can see the capacity at 3140mah.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=M0HE_jhS3J8
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3 of my devices had that battery, not enough teardowns to conclude that ALL devices will have that 3140mAh label on them. Unless of course the people who did the teardowns measured their battery capacity at 3250mAh. Right now it is more likely 2 different battery sizes were built in, but I don't want to open up my device just to confirm labels.
What matters is that there are definitely some devices out there that have the advertised 3250mAh battery. Apart from me, someone else also has the same capacity.
Please measure it and report.
3250 mah vs 3550 mah battery.
Hey,sorry im not sure if this is the right place to ask this,but im shopping for a phone and i came across a brand called umidigi,the phone I'm interested in is the umidigi one/one pro. It's weird because the one peo has 64 gb rom and 3250 mah battery whereas the one (not the pro version ) has 32 gb rom and 3550 mah battery and is $50 dollars cheaper. I'm not sure whether i should go for the battery or the storage (it also has expandable storage but im not really a fan of that). Im sorry if this isn't the right place to post this. I appreciate any help thanks.
D3mon Hunt3r said:
Hey,sorry im not sure if this is the right place to ask this,but im shopping for a phone and i came across a brand called umidigi,the phone I'm interested in is the umidigi one/one pro. It's weird because the one peo has 64 gb rom and 3250 mah battery whereas the one (not the pro version ) has 32 gb rom and 3550 mah battery and is $50 dollars cheaper. I'm not sure whether i should go for the battery or the storage (it also has expandable storage but im not really a fan of that). Im sorry if this isn't the right place to post this. I appreciate any help thanks.
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it's definitely not, you're asking on a device specific forum (ZTE axon 7). Though to be honest I'd tell you not to bury yourself so much by buying an Umidigi... Yes it'll be cheap, but it's extremely "Chinese". At least check beforehand if there's any development for it
I'd tell you that both are bad choices although I don't know the price. 3250 mAh and 64 GB is enough though, don't go for 32 GB at all!
You'd be MUCH better off by trying to buy an used flagship tbh
I am sick and tired of journalists and casual reviewers (yes MKBHD I am looking at you) misquoting the DisplayMate display reviews and repeating everywhere that the N8 has 1240cd/m² and is therefore twice as bright compared to the LG V30 or iPhone X. This is a whole lot of bullcrap.
Some of you may remember the debunking article I wrote at the time of the Galaxy S4, which explained (and it took several pages of discussion to convince the sceptics) that brightness on OLED displays decreases with the Average Picture Level (APL):
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2268937
The 1240cd/m² in the DisplayMate review is for a 1% APL, i.e., display content where the average picture level is equivalent to 1% white and 99% black - a situation that is completely irrelevant and never happens in real use. ALL OLED displays can display incredibly bright whites in those conditions, including the iPhone X and LG V30.
If you don't believe me - straight from the DisplayMate review:
"For most image content the Galaxy Note8 provides over 490 cd/m2 (Luminance, which is a measure of Brightness sometimes called nits), comparable or higher than most LCD displays in this size class. The measured Brightness on the Home screen is even higher at over 540 nits.
Below I am summarizing the brightness levels that the N8's display can reach in auto mode for different types of content:
Android Menu: 5% APL | Maximum Brightness: 990cd/m²
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Android Menu with radio buttons: 10% APL | Maximum Brightness: 880cd/m²
OLED fiendly web site: 15% APL | Maximum Brightness: 820cd/m²
Random Gallery Picture: 40% APL | Maximum Brightness: 670cd/m²
Google Play: 60% APL | Maximum Brightness: 610cd/m²
Anandtech with zoom on picture: 70% APL | Maximum Brightness: 585cd/m²
Google Maps: 75% APL | Maximum Brightness: 575cd/m²
Whatsapp: 80% APL | Maximum Brightness: 565cd/m²
Android Contact List: 85% APL | Maximum Brightness: 555cd/m²
Google Results page: 90% APL | Maximum Brightness: 545cd/m²
100% White window | Maximum Brightness 540cd/m²
For most video and web browsing content, the typical brightness in auto mode will be 550-670cd/m² in auto mode under direct sunlight and 450-550cd/m² otherwise.
Those values are very similar to what can be observed on the LG V30 and iPhone X (as per Android Authority and GSMArena reviews and figures quoted by Apple). If I see another reviewer quote these figures incorrectly and state that the N8 has double the brightness compared to competitors just because they are too dumb to read the DisplayMate review correctly, I am going to blow a fuse.
On OLED Displays, a brightness measurement without an indication of the APL of the test pattern used for measurement is simply USELESS. Most reviewers will measure at 50% (for example a 50% white window on a black background), 60% or 100% (full white) APL. There is only DisplayMate to measure something as ineffectual and useless as the 1% APL brightness. No other review out there measures that way, so you simply can't use their measurement and compare them with values provided on other web sites.
DisplayMate should either make their reviews clearer or start measuring other devices according to those standards. It is easy for Samsung to break brightness records year after year when they are the only OLED displays ever being measured.
Yep, it sucks when reviews aren't standardized, and you get information that isn't relevant for comparison to everyday usage. Replace that fuse with a circuit breaker though. We like keeping senior members around, lol.
I believe I read that you cannot get the max brightness by setting the value to max. It can only be achieved by having brightness set to auto and then taking the phone outside in sunlight.
There goes my idea of growing tomatoes in my basement in winter, using Note screen as a light source. And iphone x should have similar brightness, since it's amoled and probably made by Samsung, but who cares. As far as why Display Mate choose to measure maximum brightness the way they do, would be best to ask them, but as long as they test every display the same I don't see the problem. And please don't get me started on tests favoring one product over the other, we've been comparing Apples to Oranges for ages. BTW GSM arena lists maximum brightness of N8 at 850 max auto and v30 at 616 max auto, with non auto mode at 412 and 414, respectively, high enough for me.
liquidguru said:
I believe I read that you cannot get the max brightness by setting the value to max. It can only be achieved by having brightness set to auto and then taking the phone outside in sunlight.
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This is not enough. As per my post the following conditions must be fulfilled:
Brightness on auto
Direct sunlight
Content as an Average Picture Level of 1%, i.e., equivalent to 1% white on a black background
For most content (video and web browsing, where APL is between 40% and 90%) max brightness will be between 550cd/m² and 650cd/m² in automatic mode in direct sunlight.
I will be providing the 1% APL measurement on the V30 as soon as I have been able to get my hands on a unit. In fact I will provide the values at each APL so we have a full comparison.
pete4k said:
There goes my idea of growing tomatoes in my basement in winter, using Note screen as a light source. And iphone x should have similar brightness, since it's amoled and probably made by Samsung, but who cares. As far as why Display Mate choose to measure maximum brightness the way they do, would be best to ask them, but as long as they test every display the same I don't see the problem. And please don't get me started on tests favoring one product over the other, we've been comparing Apples to Oranges for ages. BTW GSM arena lists maximum brightness of N8 at 850 max auto and v30 at 616 max auto, with non auto mode at 412 and 414, respectively, high enough for me.
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But you see, that's precisely the problem. They only ever test Samsung OLED displays. Go to their web page, you will find only the Samsung OLED displays and Apple LCD displays. I honestly have my suspicions that DisplayMate are in bed with Samsung. They always have a Samsung display review ready before the first hands on reviews even appear on time for launch. Testing displays and writing a complete display review takes time. And they hardly ever test anything else. They essentially work as a fame machine for Samsung.
I called them out on their methodology issue a few years ago (when they weren't even indicating the APL %) and they changed their methodology as a result. But in this review, they only give a brightness range in auto mode without showing the APL breakdown, so if you read it without knowledge of display calibration it is easy to misunderstand. Nowhere is it explicitly mentioned that the top value of 1,240cd/m² is for the 1% APL.
The other issue is that EVEN if they end up adding reviews for the V30 and iPhone X, there is a time gap for already 2 months in which the entire press is being fooled and spreads misinformation, granting an Samsung unfair advantage.
I am not an Apple fan by any stretch of the imaginationl and I am equally annoyed when Apple make false claims about their phone (e..g., "The iPhone X will be much sharper than the iPhone 8 Plus - no it won't, pentile 1,125p is equivalent 919p non pentile), but as a product developer myself, nothing enrages me more than misinformation and false marketing claims.
Here is another Display comparison in max auto mode, which also shows above 600cd/m² for the LG V30 (higher than the S8 plus) and 420cd/2 in auto mode:
http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v30-poled-vs-samsung-super-amoled-797330/
If I had to make wild guess: Display mate is a website in business of promoting and selling their software. Since their software costs more than some monitors, they are probably targeting top end displays and most popular. I don't think they want to be review side, I think reviews are to attract largest amount people for least amount of money. And it works, I would never knew about them, if it wasn't for their reviews of Note displays. And why Samsung? They may have some deal with them. I just read article about some professional photographer doing shoot in India, using iphone x as his main camera. Well, iphone x won't be available for sale for another month, can we assume he works for Apple ?
But I know Display Mate reviewed Pixel and iphone, so they may be going after largest audience with deeper pockets. And I'm not trying to offend you in any way, but I think you over reacting about non issue: As long as maximum brightness reaches certain minimum level, let's say 350-400, it doesn't really matter anymore. I have never used my phone at maximum level and it's one spec I wouldn't care much about. I think historically amoled screens had problems with high brightness and my only take from all this would be, brightness is no longer their issue.
pete4k said:
If I had to make wild guess: Display mate is a website in business of promoting and selling their software. Since their software costs more than some monitors, they are probably targeting top end displays and most popular. I don't think they want to be review side, I think reviews are to attract largest amount people for least amount of money. And it works, I would never knew about them, if it wasn't for their reviews of Note displays. And why Samsung? They may have some deal with them. I just read article about some professional photographer doing shoot in India, using iphone x as his main camera. Well, iphone x won't be available for sale for another month, can we assume he works for Apple ?
But I know Display Mate reviewed Pixel and iphone, so they may be going after largest audience with deeper pockets. And I'm not trying to offend you in any way, but I think you over reacting about non issue: As long as maximum brightness reaches certain minimum level, let's say 350-400, it doesn't really matter anymore. I have never used my phone at maximum level and it's one spec I wouldn't care much about. I think historically amoled screens had problems with high brightness and my only take from all this would be, brightness is no longer their issue.
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If sunlight contrast didn't matter, then no one would care about contrast in a normal environment. The whole point of OLED I to have better contrast for a more crisp picture. But because sunlight washes out blacks, the only way to restore a form of contrast is via brightness. Contrast outside is not even on the level of LCD's inside, so it does matter a lot. If contrast didn't matter, we would all still be using LCD's...The "less than bright in the sun" issue is sister issue of "less than black in the dark" - both are contrast issues (sunlight contrast ratios are still pretty bad).
I can't say if DisplayMate'S CEO is good friend with folks at Samsung, but I have been following them for several years now, and all of their reviews are written in a way that is misleading and plays down important issues of the displays. To me this is not how a scientific-minded person thinks and writes. Not to mention the person who writes the reviews must be color blind because of their complete lack of creative design skills and poor choice of colors. This is not how you sell software. LOL
Sorry.. who are you? Pass
puremind said:
If sunlight contrast didn't matter, then no one would care about contrast in a normal environment. The whole point of OLED I to have better contrast for a more crisp picture. But because sunlight washes out blacks, the only way to restore a form of contrast is via brightness. Contrast outside is not even on the level of LCD's inside, so it does matter a lot. If contrast didn't matter, we would all still be using LCD's...The "less than bright in the sun" issue is sister issue of "less than black in the dark" - both are contrast issues (sunlight contrast ratios are still pretty bad).
I can't say if DisplayMate'S CEO is good friend with folks at Samsung, but I have been following them for several years now, and all of their reviews are written in a way that is misleading and plays down important issues of the displays. To me this is not how a scientific-minded person thinks and writes. Not to mention the person who writes the reviews must be color blind because of their complete lack of creative design skills and poor choice of colors. This is not how you sell software. LOL
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Sunlight contrast matters only in Sun, for all other times (99% for me) I do care about contrast in normal environment also, sorry. Sure, whole point of OLED is better contrast AND crisper colors AND wider gamut coverage And lower power consumption (at lower screen brightness, so pretty much everywhere except in the Sun) AND no backlight leakage, like when you're reading in bed at night, but who am I to argue.
And according to Display mate and the way they measure brightness N8 has the highest. Case closed? , . I also don't understand your logic: you're following them for years because you don't like nor disagree with them??? If I don't like something, I don't waste my time on it. BTW I have dark theme on my N8 and white text on black screen is let's say 10% white maybe if text full screen, probably less if not full screen? So maybe we agree to disagree, but I don't see anything wrong using 1% for testing purposes, its closer to my real life screen than 50% and measuring it at 100% I think is as useless as you think it is at 1%.
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Sunlight contrast matters only in Sun, for all other times (99% for me) I do care about contrast in normal environment also, sorry. Sure, whole point of OLED is better contrast AND crisper colors AND wider gamut coverage And lower power consumption (at lower screen brightness, so pretty much everywhere except in the Sun) AND no backlight leakage, like when you're reading in bed at night, but who am I to argue.
And according to Display mate and the way they measure brightness N8 has the highest. Case closed? , . I also don't understand your logic: you're following them for years because you don't like nor disagree with them??? If I don't like something, I don't waste my time on it. BTW I have dark theme on my N8 and white text on black screen is let's say 10% white maybe if text full screen, probably less if not full screen? So maybe we agree to disagree, but I don't see anything wrong using 1% for testing purposes, its closer to my real life screen than 50% and measuring it at 100% I think is as useless as you think it is at 1%.
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That's not the right way to improve the world, to sit by and watch or walk away at everything that you don't like. When people do that, greedy companies with inferior products steal 92% of the profits in their industry, world leaders from the US and North Korea start insulting each other and who knows what else may happen.
It has never been my attitude in life and I will continue to debunk misinformation where it exists. We need whistleblowers and defenders of fairness and truth. People who speak up.
No the case is not closed, the N8 is not twice as bright compared to the LG V30 and iPhone X. We have no measurements on retail units for either phone.
Please point me to a single serious review of the iPhone X's display or any piece of evidence that validates the claim that the N8 has twice the brightness of the iPhone X. Until then, popular Youtubers such as MKBHD should refrain from making inaccurate, misleading statements. Trust me, it is inaccurate.
I will refute inaccurate statements and false marketing claims wherever they may exist. It is an insult to my profession. As product developers I have to believe that people are in it for the product, not or the clever marketing. Don't forget that capitalism works at its best in a situation of perfect and fair competition, and one of the pillars of perfect competition is having perfect information.
Pessimists are idealists who no longer dare to hope.
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That's not the right way to improve the world, to sit by and watch or walk away at everything that you don't like. When people do that, greedy companies with inferior products steal 92% of the profits in their industry, world leaders from the US and North Korea start insulting each other and who knows what else may happen.
It has never been my attitude in life and I will continue to debunk misinformation where it exists. We need whistleblowers and defenders of fairness and truth. People who speak up.
No the case is not closed, the N8 is not twice as bright compared to the LG V30 and iPhone X. We have no measurements on retail units for either phone.
Please point me to a single serious review of the iPhone X's display or any piece of evidence that validates the claim that the N8 has twice the brightness of the iPhone X. Until then, popular Youtubers such as MKBHD should refrain from making inaccurate, misleading statements. Trust me, it is inaccurate.
I will refute inaccurate statements and false marketing claims wherever they may exist. It is an insult to my profession. As product developers I have to believe that people are in it for the product, not or the clever marketing. Don't forget that capitalism works at its best in a situation of perfect and fair competition, and one of the pillars of perfect competition is having perfect information.
Pessimists are idealists who no longer dare to hope.
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Finally we agree on something, I hate Apple for ripping consumers off and pocketing most of the cell phone industry profits (is it 92% now? WOW) and prize Display Mate for not sitting in Apple's pocket.
I have no idea who claimed N8 has double the brightness of iphone x, did they even test it yet? and I don't think it matters anyway, since I believe iphone X will have Samsung amoled screen (I don't think Apple makes amoled screens) and therefore should be good. If you want to be Don Quichotte, good luck, but I think we are beating death horse here and I don't think I have anything else to add to the topic.
puremind said:
That's not the right way to improve the world, to sit by and watch or walk away at everything that you don't like. When people do that, greedy companies with inferior products steal 92% of the profits in their industry, world leaders from the US and North Korea start insulting each other and who knows what else may happen.
It has never been my attitude in life and I will continue to debunk misinformation where it exists. We need whistleblowers and defenders of fairness and truth. People who speak up.
No the case is not closed, the N8 is not twice as bright compared to the LG V30 and iPhone X. We have no measurements on retail units for either phone.
Please point me to a single serious review of the iPhone X's display or any piece of evidence that validates the claim that the N8 has twice the brightness of the iPhone X. Until then, popular Youtubers such as MKBHD should refrain from making inaccurate, misleading statements. Trust me, it is inaccurate.
I will refute inaccurate statements and false marketing claims wherever they may exist. It is an insult to my profession. As product developers I have to believe that people are in it for the product, not or the clever marketing. Don't forget that capitalism works at its best in a situation of perfect and fair competition, and one of the pillars of perfect competition is having perfect information.
Pessimists are idealists who no longer dare to hope.
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MKBHD is annoying and frequently gets things wrong. How he has so many subscribers is beyond my level of comprehension.
I always keep in mind that when Display Mate posts a review, they only have a sample size of 1 and a cherry picked unit and a possibility of paid work from manufacturers. Sometimes I read the entire article but just for fun.
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Finally we agree on something, I hate Apple for ripping consumers off and pocketing most of the cell phone industry profits (is it 92% now? WOW) and prize Display Mate for not sitting in Apple's pocket.
I have no idea who claimed N8 has double the brightness of iphone x, did they even test it yet? and I don't think it matters anyway, since I believe iphone X will have Samsung amoled screen (I don't think Apple makes amoled screens) and therefore should be good. If you want to be Don Quichotte, good luck, but I think we are beating death horse here and I don't think I have anything else to add to the topic.
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Telling the truth actually works. I write the same on every web site and YouTube video that has incorrect information on products.
ZTE will have Sharp OLED on their Axon 9.
Have you seen the anti-Apple sentiment that has emerged as a of people speaking up to criticize the many things that Apple do wrong?
In the past people were saying "iOS is so energy efficient, more than Android". Now they say "Apple can't build in 3K displays because of their poor battery performance, so they have to stick with 1125p displays".
In the past people were saying Apple have the fastest CPU's. Now they are saying "For most of the year Android have the fastest CPUs, in a couple of weeks Huawei will have the fastest CPU".
In the past people were saying "Apple are so good they account for most of the profits in the smartphone industry". Today they are saying: "No wonder Apple capture most of the profits in the Smartphone industry - they offer lesser battery and display resolution and charge you more for it - you even have to pay 85 USD extra for fast charging".
As early as 2013, I was arguing against many Apple fans that their toylike bezels are a drag for a company that used to pride themselves on one handed usability and they responded that no one buys according to bezels. Today everyone agrees that bezelless phones are the future and Apple fans rush to buy the iPhone X.
In the past people were saying, the human eye cannot see beyond the retina display's level of sharpness. Today they are saying the iPhone X's pixel density is only one third of what human vision can resolve and other phones have much better sharpness.
If not for people like me, Apple would continue to make disproportionate amounts of money on the back of credulous users. Our rant videos on the iPhone X will have an impact. It may be small in the beginning but there will be a snowball effect.
Capitalism always wins - give people perfect information and the market shares balance each other out in the end.
As a product developer, it is my job to anticipate needs people didn't know they had and to uncover weaknesses in existing products. It helps drive competition and consumers benefit in the end because companies are pushed to work harder.
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MKBHD is annoying and frequently gets things wrong. How he has so many subscribers is beyond my level of comprehension.
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Millennials admire a successful 22 year old because they project themselves.
Also, his reviews never choose a particular phone as he seemingly uses every phone as his daily driver, so it doesn't push away fans of a specific brand. Except brands that don't bring much viewership like HTC or Essential Phone.
I love how he kept praising large bezel phones like the iPhones and the Pixel and Nexus devices (he has gigantic hands) and bezels were never a topic for him, and now suddenly ever since the Mi Mix it has become his new manta.
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He made a video about the Note 8 and said the battery life is poor. He said you only get 3 1/2 to 4hr of SOT. I get 5 1/2 to 6 every day and I am not the only one. So take what he says with a grain of salt.
There we have it:
"Speaking of, the S8 pair pretty much blew us away and we expected a lot from the Note8 as well. Now, we did manage to get to a brightness as high as 850 nits in Auto mode by shining a light in to the ambient light sensor, but that is still a bit lower than the 870 nits of the S8+. In fact, at 100% brightness in Adaptive mode, without any input from the light sensor, the Note8 appears to run a bit dimmer than its S8 sibling as well. The difference is small, especially when you consider that the Note8 will happily go into overdrive when exposed to the sun outdoors, so we didn't really notice a real-life difference when using the phones normally. Still, we couldn't exactly confirm DisplayMate's recent claim of a record-shattering 1,200 nit reading on the Note8."
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note8-review-1659p3.php
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After the successful launch event in London in May, Honor has launched its 2nd flagship device of year 2019 as part of Honor 20 Series, mainly the Honor 20 Pro and Honor 20 along with an affordable Honor 20 lite or Honor 20i on June 11 in India at a launch event in Delhi.
Here are full specifications of the device for quick overview of the feature in case anyone missed it earlier.
Please check this link as full specification is quiet a big and will take up entire page here.
Now let’s start the Honor 20 review. This is my detailed personal review about the Honor 20 unit which I received from Honor as a review unit.
Design- Many may feel that Honor 20 design is nothing new, in fact we are seeing this since Honor 8 era but Honor has not stopped its innovation and HONOR 20 takes that trend to the next level with a mirror glass back that creates subtle patterns and highlights that shine and move alongside different lights and is famous for Dynamic Holographic design which really looks incredible and eye catching. With nearly side bezel-less design, very minimal lower bezel and the punch hole camera set up, Honor was able to give us 91.7% screen to body ratio which gives nearly full screen view and best possible viewing experience. Phone really looks premium and can beat up any flagship design even in half price.
Another impressive design of Honor 20 includes a Side-Mounted Fingerprint Sensor. Initially, I was not fan for front mounted FP sensor as I was used to rear FP sensor mainly for unlocking and clicking photos but then gradually started liking the front FP sensor as it is easy to unlock without even lifting the device, found other of clicking pictures. With Honor 20 side-mounted FP scanner, I am getting used to it but gradually started liking it as response is very fast and accurate. I can unlock my phone even before I start counting to get that milli-second feel.
Display- Honor 20 is packed with fairly large but in trend screen size of 6.26 inch and offers a full view display, thanks to the Punch hole camera design which enables the nearly full screen display. A FHD+ IPS LCD screen with 2340X1080 resolutions gives a brighter and better display with equally good viewing experience. Display supports the 16.7 M colors and equipped with 412 PPI. Overall, the looks way better than my preview phones majorly due to full view display and accurate positioning of front camera which doesn’t hampers the display or any viewing experience while gaming, watching videos or live streaming etc. Display is bright enough to have a better readability under sunlight at full brightness. If you have automatic brightness enabled or have kept it on half way, you may feel some discomfort only under the direct sunlight and not under the bright condition, but this is same with every IPS panel.
Performance- Well, there is no second thought about the performance that you can get from this device. With Latest flagship Kirin 980 Processor. There is no deny that performance will be optimal for end user but sometimes few things are good on paper but not in real life, but Honor 20 is truly optimized with Magic 2.1 (for some they may refer as EMUI 9.1) and doesn’t lag at all. I have played Asphalt 8 and Fortnite and did not feel any lag or frame drop and games were launching quickly and were able to perform as per the expectation. Yet to test the same with PUBG but don’t think that will have any issue as well as Fortnite game size is huge compared to PUBG. I was able to get constant 30 FPS for Fortnite and waiting for update to support the 60 FPS and similar constant 30 FPS in Asphalt 8 with highest visual quality. So, from gaming perspective, I do not see any challenge and games runs smooth on this device without a problem. From Application launch point of view, apps launches very fast and user do not notice much delay or lag if they have selected the right settings in developer mode and disabled the screen animations. I personally did not face much delay while launching or switching across applications. Also, I noticed one improved in Magic UI 2.1 and Honor 20 that apps remain in memory for longer time but yes, the social media apps refresh immediately they are switched to, from any other app after some time. This was the behavior in default mode and I did not even enable the performance mode. No changes were made to the battery setting for app launch and they all were by default (system selected) except WhatsApp, Tapatalk , XDA and Telegram. So, if you are looking for a device which will give you the optimal performance without hurting your pocket, look no further and can go for Honor 20.
7nm Kirin 980 AI Chipset with Dual-NPU couple with 6 GB of RAM is doing the wonders here and device is one of the best I have used in terms of performance and fluidity.
Battery - Honor 20 comes with 3750 mAh battery with which, I was able to get around easilve over 30 hours of regular usage with multiple social media apps, dual Facebook, messenger, WeChat and WhatsApp and exchange applications which always runs in background and among the top battery consumer for all along with some time on gaming, YouTube, Gmail, Chrome, Skype For Business, Hotstar live streaming etc. still I was able to pass my entire with phone without suffering for battery issue by end of my day and only connect charger the next day (my regular routine as I connect to charge my phone only around at 07.00 AM in the morning and then leave for office). If I don’t play games or live streams, I was able to get around 30+ hours of usage with still around 18-25% left.
On an average I was able to get around 8-9 hours of SOT with my usage pattern.
Honor claims for 50% charging in 30 minutes and in my test this just works fine as I was able to charge 49% in 30 minutes and in random usages, I was still able to charge around 40-43% with Mobile data/Wi-Fi on.
Audio- I personally found that Honor 20’s volume is loud enough to be able to hear at full volume and audio is crispy clear. I used the phone with Honor’s Bluetooth headset and could enjoy the music and movies very well without any problem. There is inbuilt Histen sound effect feature as well which works only with a physically connected headset. Though, since Apples started the norm of removing the audio jack and many others are following the trend, Honor 20 lacks a headphone jack but it comes with a type-C to 3.5 mm jack dongle which you can listed to feel the same traditional way of music on headset and can vary the settings via Histen effect to be able to listen the music in your favorite mode.
Also, Honor 20 come up with 9.1 Virtual Surround feature which you can feel while gaming like Fortnite or others or watching a movie and using the Histen sound effect.
Camera- Honor 20 is equipped 4 camera setup which seems to be a norm in 2019 now and comes with 48 MP Sony IMX586 with F/1.8 aperture, 16 MP Super wide-angle camera with F/2,2 aperture, 2 MP Depth camera and 2 MP Macro camera.
48 MP main camera- it is Sony IMX586 lens and supports AI Ultra clarity mode and AIS. It also supports the AIS super night mode which is cool and in my personal experience which clicking few shots with night mode, I was amazed by the level of details I could see in the pictures.
16 MP Wide angle camera- with F/2.2 aperture and 117-degree super wide angle it really does wonders sometime to capture a larger area in smaller frame. I used 1X, 2X zoom and wide angle and really started liking it for few images where it was necessary to click a relatively bigger area. It also supports the Distortion correction.
2MP Depth assist camera – comes up with F/2l,4 aperture and supports h=in providing the bokeh effect.
2 MP Macro camera- with F/2,4 aperture, it supports a macro photography and gives the optimal results at 4cm distance from object. Results may vary person to person and object to object and light conditions. I got different results with different objects and light condition.
32 MP Selfie camera- I am not a selfie lover so did not explore much but I am sure it does well as I have seen the better results with relatively inferior camera from Honor. I clicked few selfies and was surprised to see the results and details in the image, you can turn off the beauty mode to get more details of object. Come up with F/2.0 aperture it does support the AIS and I really liked few images I clicked even with bit moving objects still the results were good. It supports AIS Super night mode, AI Color mode, AIS and AI mode.
Videos- Rear camera supports up to 4K resolution with EIS and front camera supports up to 1080P recording with EIS. You also get slow motion video with up to 960 FPS.
This review is incomplete if I do not touch the camera part or include camera review here. I am using this device for a week now and only got a couple of days to go out to explore the camera. Probably, I will be posting more images next week when I will be out of town to explore another city and click some memories. Yes, I am breaking up with my old phone and carrying this beauty on my next travel to Europe. As Honor 20 series tagline says #YouDeserveBetter yes, This is the one you deserve and you will not regret. BTW, I am not good at photography, still tried some hands on it this time and I was really happy with the image quality and really loving the camera. I tried all the modes available and Night, Super Macro and Super Slow motion with 32X (960 FPS). I was able to capture few night shots, which I personally feel was better than my expectation (did not used any tripod and taken random images) and I am hoping I will be able to share few more quality clicks next week with all the modes. This was my first phone supporting the wide-angle mode and I really liked it and taken few shots. Not a selfie lover so did not bother my front camera much to click myself.
AS I have clicked more than 500 Images and its difficult to upload all here but have selected around 60 images and you can check here. I am not a photographer and doesn't click great pictures.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1sJLKnCmKF6i5kUR3C2O0wDZWmXWkb7fs?usp=sharing
Software/UI- EMUI is not new to me, have been using it for years now. Honor 20 comes with Magic UI but there is not much difference in terms of UI and looks. This is my first phone with Magic UI but I have hands on Magic phone, so this was not much change for me. UI looks similar and a familiar one but is optimized on top of Android 9 and hardware and works like a charm. No unexpected slowness or lags noticed and scroll, navigation, options are easily accessible and provides all the required features.
Conclusion- Due to the ongoing situation of Huawei/Honor with US ban, things were shaken up initially but every day we are hearing one or the other positive news. Many of them could be rumors but still there are some trusted sources which give some positive information and who know this ban might end up soon and we see Huawei/Honor back in business again. Even though with such uncertainty, if we see the astonishing sell of Honor 20 series since its launch, it shows the trust of user on the brand and Honor/Huawei has not let down the customers and are providing the updates, coming up with trending features. Overall, in my opinion and usage of Honor 20 till date, even though going through a tough time but yet managed to do well across markets, Phone is incredible with mesmerizing eye catching design, ticking all the boxes to be your preferred phone for camera, performance, design and long lasting battery which supports supercharging and gives you entire day of battery juice with just few minutes or charging. 4 cameras set up is really doing well and gives you incredible image quality with details and color saturation. No compromise on the performance or design either and side mounted fingerprint scanner is a welcome move giving you a new yet a comfortable experience.
Brilliant review enjoyed it
Could you please check does Honor 20 have Dual Band GPS?
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As the wireless earphones scene starts to get competitive, companies like Apple and Samsung are launching their version of Bluetooth earphones, complete with a charging case. Among some of the great option on the market right now, Huawei has come out with the Huawei Freebuds 3. This exciting new product has everything you could want from your wireless audio experience, and more. Powered by the Kirin A1 chipset, Huawei aims to build a connected audio life experience.
The HUAWEI FreeBuds 3 are equipped with Bluetooth 5.1 and are powered by the cutting-edge Kirin A1 chipset. The Kirin A1 is the industry’s first BT/BLE dual-mode chip to be verified by Bluetooth 5.1. With this technology, Huawei is able to deliver a highly integrated 3+1 modular architecture. This includes an advanced Bluetooth processing unit, powerful audio processing unit, ultra-low power consumption App processor and a
separate power management unit. All of this comes together to ensuring an efficient and stable connection experience.
While previous wireless headphones were were limited to a single-channel transmission which was split between the two earpieces, Huawei’s self-developed dual-channel synchronous transmission technology fixes this issue. Now left and right pieces have a direct connection to your smartphone, avoiding the need for one earpiece to push audio to the next. This new dual-channel system results in ultra-low audio latency at only 190ms. This is especially important for keeping sound and audio synced during games and movies. This gives the Freebuds 3 an edge over the AirPods, and will make for a better experience overall.
The new HUAWEI FreeBuds 3 aims to provide you with 20 hours of battery life by including their charging case. While the actual earphones have a battery life of four hours, the included case can charge your Freebuds up to 4 times before your case runs out of juice. When it does, you can charge your Freebuds case via the USB-C port, or you can set it on your wireless charger and take advantage of the quick wireless charging feature.
Share your thoughts on the HUAWEI FreeBuds 3 and how you think they'll stack up against the Apple AirPods.
Well, they look the same (ugly that is), so noone will see the difference. Apple users will buy apple, other people will buy what's cheaper, and people who want to hear the sound of music will buy stuff like Bose, Sony, or Sennheiser.
Wonder how the ANC works with them being open, sure hope it's no BS marketing. Last earbuds I used were the bragi dash pro, those still rank first in my book.
I'm using atm Airpods 1. Gen. How do the Freebuds 3 fit compared to Airpods?
XDARoni said:
As the wireless earphones scene starts to get competitive, companies like Apple and Samsung are launching their version of Bluetooth earphones, complete with a charging case. Among some of the great option on the market right now, Huawei has come out with the Huawei Freebuds 3. This exciting new product has everything you could want from your wireless audio experience, and more. Powered by the Kirin A1 chipset, Huawei aims to build a connected audio life experience.
The HUAWEI FreeBuds 3 are equipped with Bluetooth 5.1 and are powered by the cutting-edge Kirin A1 chipset. The Kirin A1 is the industry’s first BT/BLE dual-mode chip to be verified by Bluetooth 5.1. With this technology, Huawei is able to deliver a highly integrated 3+1 modular architecture. This includes an advanced Bluetooth processing unit, powerful audio processing unit, ultra-low power consumption App processor and a
separate power management unit. All of this comes together to ensuring an efficient and stable connection experience.
While previous wireless headphones were were limited to a single-channel transmission which was split between the two earpieces, Huawei’s self-developed dual-channel synchronous transmission technology fixes this issue. Now left and right pieces have a direct connection to your smartphone, avoiding the need for one earpiece to push audio to the next. This new dual-channel system results in ultra-low audio latency at only 190ms. This is especially important for keeping sound and audio synced during games and movies. This gives the Freebuds 3 an edge over the AirPods, and will make for a better experience overall.
The new HUAWEI FreeBuds 3 aims to provide you with 20 hours of battery life by including their charging case. While the actual earphones have a battery life of four hours, the included case can charge your Freebuds up to 4 times before your case runs out of juice. When it does, you can charge your Freebuds case via the USB-C port, or you can set it on your wireless charger and take advantage of the quick wireless charging feature.
Share your thoughts on the HUAWEI FreeBuds 3 and how you think they'll stack up against the Apple AirPods.
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I wonder if i need a huaway to use them and the app, or can i simply usd them with any modern android that suports bt 5?
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Even with all the technical top of the line the sound seems to be a bit of "meeh" in the reviews I've read. I like them but I prefer a model that keeps surroundings to a minimum.
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Being a one plus 7t user, i am looking for a good wireless option. I need good calling mic and iPhone type fit. Rubber one's Never stay in my ears . Any suggestions ? Should i look for apple 2nd gen or go for freebuds 3
I am currently looking for cheap aliexpress options . There are too many models too pick and choose from but the video got me thinking about apple like models
I dont like anything thats apple like becauze it doesnt fit in my ear and to be honest they dont look good. So i decided for next models so far:
my first model was qcy qs1, they r cheap and perfect for going in the wireless headphones world. They r great for start and i still have them, using them in the gym.
My second were galaxy buds but i have had some problems with calls with them and that frustrated me a lot so i sold them.
My next one were b&o beoplay e8. I got them for 200€ used and im super happy with them, so for now im using those and qcy.
mazroui said:
Wonder how the ANC works with them being open, sure hope it's no BS marketing. Last earbuds I used were the bragi dash pro, those still rank first in my book.
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I tried it and it is effective to a certain degree. Basically, the lower frequencies are cancelled out, but it does not kill the overall noise like in-canal earbuds, because of the open-fit nature. It definitely reduces ambient noises, but you can still hear people next to you talking. Interestingly, their voices are clearer as the ambient noises are cancelled out.
If you need ANC to silence your world, the Freebuds 3 won't make it. But if you do not like the stuffed feeling of earbuds (I know some people does), yet you need to kill some noise, the Freebuds 3 work.
musicdiary said:
I tried it and it is effective to a certain degree. Basically, the lower frequencies are cancelled out, but it does not kill the overall noise like in-canal earbuds, because of the open-fit nature. It definitely reduces ambient noises, but you can still hear people next to you talking. Interestingly, their voices are clearer as the ambient noises are cancelled out.
If you need ANC to silence your world, the Freebuds 3 won't make it. But if you do not like the stuffed feeling of earbuds (I know some people does), yet you need to kill some noise, the Freebuds 3 work.
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How is the microphone quality in noisy area? Do other people hear your voice clearly on calls in noisy environments?
Hi everyone, how maybe someone already know, with this freebuds it's impossible(at the moment, I hope in a update....) to close a call in progress. anyone know a way to do it without use everytime the phone(or waiting that is the person on the other side to close it)?
Epic Fail. I just got them and the music doesn't auto pause when removed from the ear on Windows 10 laptop. For comparison my $10 AirPods fake earbuds from AliExpress do that.
saneofficial said:
Epic Fail. I just got them and the music doesn't auto pause when removed from the ear on Windows 10 laptop. For comparison my $10 AirPods fake earbuds from AliExpress do that.
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The auto pause is still missing or they have implemented on all Android?
Tapatalked with A8 2018
Hi
So can someone clarify if you can use only the one earpiece while the other one is in my pocket in its closed case?
Thanks
pamarakos said:
Hi
So can someone clarify if you can use only the one earpiece while the other one is in my pocket in its closed case?
Thanks
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Yes it can be used in that manner.
Anybody facing this error:
With the airpods (+ p30 pro) when listening to music on spotify and scrolling on the facebook, if enter to read a new of any journal, when i press the back to back again to facebook after reading the new, the music stops? Every time.
I just bought those and i like them very much.
I am not a Huawei phone user, I have a Pixel 3 XL and I was looking for some good on ear buds. I must say that I am a little bit angry for Huawei making some features exclusively for their phones (not even all their phones) like wearing detection and autopause. I understand that that the pop up - fast connect feature depends on the software of the phone, but the wearing detection they can make it available for everyone with the AI app. In the end, I paid the same amount of money for the buds.
Hi, i have freebuds 3 on galaxy note 10 plus. Is there any way to enable pause while taking out one of the buds. Thanks
Hi all
I have been debating with myself for awhile rather get the xperia 1 3 or the oneplus 9pro, also considering the op9 or nokia 8.4 although I know specs are downgraded from first two.
Do u have any insights for me?
thx in advance
the-light said:
Hi all
I have been debating with myself for awhile rather get the xperia 1 3 or the oneplus 9pro, also considering the op9 or nokia 8.4 although I know specs are downgraded from first two.
Do u have any insights for me?
thx in advance
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I can assure you that you won't be disappointed if you choose Xperia 1 III. I think I don't have to polish the quality, it's a Sony the display is superb as always. Camera is a masterpiece, especially in manual. If you know what you're doing then you shot photos you couldn't with any other and the colours are the most realistic you can get. Performance is outpacing all other phones. I didn't have any lags, hesitation or slowdown ever. Multi-tasking is a killer, doesn't matter how many apps you use simultaneously, apps won't crash. I replaced my Xperia 1 and I didn't regret it. Not to mention that my Xperia 1, Xperia xz premium, xperia z3 still run like new I don't have any pros or cons regarding the other phones you mentioned.
LaceeWearsPrada said:
I can assure you that you won't be disappointed if you choose Xperia 1 III. I think I don't have to polish the quality, it's a Sony the display is superb as always. Camera is a masterpiece, especially in manual. If you know what you're doing then you shot photos you couldn't with any other and the colours are the most realistic you can get. Performance is outpacing all other phones. I didn't have any lags, hesitation or slowdown ever. Multi-tasking is a killer, doesn't matter how many apps you use simultaneously, apps won't crash. I replaced my Xperia 1 and I didn't regret it. Not to mention that my Xperia 1, Xperia xz premium, xperia z3 still run like new I don't have any pros or cons regarding the other phones you mentioned.
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Thank u for the reply. it is helpful
If you're into this kind of bleeding edge device; either way you'll be disappointed, just less with this one I think.
Reasoning: Android is just becoming more like IOS on both the hard and software side.
DRM, lack of sdcard port (why I decided to pick the 1III over the 9P), locking down systems as much as possible.
Funny enough that ain't whats killing the 1III or the 9P, these companies share more source code than most, it's the tiny community which might have made it worth for me to get the S22 Ultra instead.
I did get a terrific deal tho; €888 for a snapdragon 888, how fitting.
I don't know about OnePlus, but my Xperia has a definite "beta" feel that never goes away.
What the Sony really has going for it is:
Fast CPU burst speed launches apps quickly
microSD card for old apps and some apps not from Google Play Store
Solid feel
Stereo speakers and headphone jack
Fast WiFi 6
Quick camera button
Long battery life
Water resistant
Notification LED
Very fast USB connection
Not so good:
Some people have problems with phantom screen and fingerprint touches
Fingerprint reader will false-positive a LOT
Minimal carrier support, if any. Cellular reception is not the best.
Minimal CPU cooling, quick throttling
Dated camera quality, worse camera software
Very "stock" Android, and that's a bad thing for Android 11 and 12. Google's recent work is a dumpster fire.
microSD crippled for recent Google Play Store apps (see previous item)
Several gigabytes of setup shovelware on some models. The downloads have to be cancelled to get started.
Rough software and some bad updates. Can be frustrating to use.
Flashlight is dim
4K screen resolution is restricted to a few uses
The Sony by my experience excellent.
A few sites to confirm this.
https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/sony-xperia-1-iii
Sony Xperia 1 III | EISA – Expert Imaging and Sound Association
eisa.eu
Sony Xperia 1 III - TIPA
Xperia 1 III utilises expertise of engineers from Sony’s Alpha cameras. It offers four focal lengths, including the world’s first Variable telephoto lens paired with a Dual PD sensor– reaching up to a focal length of 105mm from 16mm, as well as delivering 12MP and RAW formatted images. Each lens...
www.tipa.com
Very happy with mine. Been a champ. Learn to yield the camera and you will be trated with excellent images.
Led notification
3.5 connection
12/256 config on the base model + sd-card support
4k FLAT screen - no notch or punch-hole
Great camera hardware - excellent manuel controls - 4k 120fps
Great battery
Stereospeakers with punch and good balance
Also a great looking phone beautifully buildt.
Why open new threads like this always and mess up the entire forum... Even for a single new update if there is only a monthly security update
kevinmcmurtrie said:
I don't know about OnePlus, but my Xperia has a definite "beta" feel that never goes away.
What the Sony really has going for it is:
Fast CPU burst speed launches apps quickly
microSD card for old apps and some apps not from Google Play Store
Solid feel
Stereo speakers and headphone jack
Fast WiFi 6
Quick camera button
Long battery life
Water resistant
Notification LED
Very fast USB connection
Not so good:
Some people have problems with phantom screen and fingerprint touches
Fingerprint reader will false-positive a LOT
Minimal carrier support, if any. Cellular reception is not the best.
Minimal CPU cooling, quick throttling
Dated camera quality, worse camera software
Very "stock" Android, and that's a bad thing for Android 11 and 12. Google's recent work is a dumpster fire.
microSD crippled for recent Google Play Store apps (see previous item)
Several gigabytes of setup shovelware on some models. The downloads have to be cancelled to get started.
Rough software and some bad updates. Can be frustrating to use.
Flashlight is dim
4K screen resolution is restricted to a few uses
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Wifi 6 really is fast No other phone can do this. At my workplace they couldn't believe how is this even possible
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I've even reached 2,6Gbps download speed once. Sadly, I didn't taka a screenshot
Apart from the dim flashlight, I didn't face any of those issues. This phone really is a beast Can't imagine that I'd buy any other manufacturer's phone.
I had a lot of Flagships in my hands. For 1 year ago a had a s21, s22 , S22 Ultra, Zfold3 , Mi11 Ultra, Mate/P 40 Po... I can easily say that 1||| is not the best at all but...
Beautiful und one hand useful
Camera with a bit of knowledge is the best in the terms of colours and really really to convey the real atmosphere and mood of the scene. Hey this is not a flat and too bright Samsungs way. Other like a hand painted Huawei and Pixel way.
And up to 5 zoom ist the best because ist not so dependent from various constant zoom cameras. It have a variable zoom and this make a lot of difference.
Also is a lot more agile and smooth than Samsung in terms of software.
I have never had a One+ device but with the Chinese i find always annoying flaws.
I don't understand why people are comparing this phone so much with other phones.
The sole reason I bought this phone is because it offers a very unique featureset.
I wanted a fingerprint scanner on the side or back.
Can find lots, but typically only in higher-end models.
I also wanted wireless charging.
Also lots, but typically only in budget models.
I wanted a flat screen, no curved edges.
Removes a lot of phones too.
I preferred a headphone jack and notification LED (if possible).
Removes even more phones.
With all these requirements there is literally no other phone available.
None
I couldn't care less about camera quality, yet I bought it.
Me? I'm happy with it. But unless you want some specific features that only this phone offers I just would not recommend it because it's, imo, WAY too expensive compared to the competition.
You should not buy this phone because you want a "flagship model", you're better off with OP, Samsung, Google or Apple (dare I say it).
I will admit that Sony devices are unicorns, so you can buy it for the hipster factor I guess.