If that got your attention then I need your help. If you have a USA NOTE 8 then you currently have limited ROM options. Some will tell you it can't be done, but there is already a solid rom for the S8+ (which also has a locked bootloader).
Basically if you have a TMOBILE, ATT, VERIZON, SPRINT or other US note we can get a sick rom made for US. Free of charge.
What's the catch?
The Dev willing to make this rom needs to know that a few of us (not just me) want and need this rom.
Please just reply to this thread if you own a Note 8 and want a deodexed, Knox removed, sped up, debloated and prerooted rom.
Thanks guys!!!
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If that got your attention then I need your help. If you have a USA NOTE 8 then you currently have no ROM option. Some will tell you it can't be done, but there is already a solid rom for the S8+ (which also has a locked bootloader).
Basically if you have a TMOBILE, ATT, VERIZON, SPRINT or other US note we can get a sick rom made for US. Free of charge.
What's the catch?
The Dev willing to make this rom needs to know that a few of us (not just me) want and need this rom.
Please just reply to this thread if you own a Note 8 and want a deodexed, Knox removed, sped up, debloated and prerooted rom.
Thanks guys!!!
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Aosp with spen functionally. Lol
Should most likely post this in the US carrier forums.
Or maybe the ROM/Development thread?
Honestly, I'm not sure where you would place a post demanding a ROM Developer make a ROM.
More is better!
A sick rom would be great, I miss my Note 1 and all of the rom options I had......
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Love the idea. Would Samsung Pay still work?
borijess said:
Love the idea. Would Samsung Pay still work?
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Absolutely not. SPay will NOT work on a rooted device or a custom ROM.
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Absolutely not. SPay will NOT work on a rooted device or a custom ROM.
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Would this include an attached Gear S3? I don't know why anyone would give up MST functionality and why Samsung is singing it to the moon. It is a real game changer.
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Would this include an attached Gear S3? I don't know why anyone would give up MST functionality and why Samsung is singing it to the moon. It is a real game changer.
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I don't have an S3, but can the Spay function on it independent of the phone? Can you set it up and use it without the phone?
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Absolutely not. SPay will NOT work on a rooted device or a custom ROM.
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I don't have an S3, but can the Spay function on it independent of the phone? Can you set it up and use it without the phone?
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You initiate it on the watch and it sets up through the phone, so if you can't even launch it on the phone that would answer the question and mean it doesn't work.
I would be more enamored by the MST upgrade from the Gear S2, but I have had pay since the S6. If I didn't have a phone with MST I would for sure be buying an S3. I run unlocked ROM and tethering and caller ID are enabled. I don't know what else I get with it, but tethering is usually $10 a month.
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You initiate it on the watch and it sets up through the phone, so if you can't even launch it on the phone that would answer the question and mean it doesn't work.
I would be more enamored by the MST upgrade from the Gear S2, but I have had pay since the S6. If I didn't have a phone with MST I would for sure be buying an S3. I run unlocked ROM and tethering and caller ID are enabled. I don't know what else I get with it, but tethering is usually $10 a month.
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If it requires SPay on the phone, then no it won't work. I use SPay all the time, so root and custom ROMs don't interest me too many options available to customise and disable bloatware without root now anyway.
Not Demanding...
I approached a Dev who is capable and maybe willing to make us a rom.
I didn't "Demand" nor should anyone else. (People like to be appreciated, not harassed / bossed around, see Psychology 101)
We MAY get a Rom, it is very likely, but said Dev (who can chime in whenever they like, otherwise will remain anon for now) wants to have:
1.) Interest. Dev doesn't own a Note 8, will be doing this not for his own use. He wants to know that at least 5 or 10 of us will be able to benefit from his time and effort.
2.) Testers. The rom will (hopefully) be based on the U1 Unlocked firmware. Testers with any US model N8 (or Canadian I suppose) can benefit, but we need people from
all carriers willing to flash beta software to their phones, not whine if it doesnt work right away, and give intelligent, meaningful feedback.
3.) Time. This will be a gift / sideproject for the dev. It may take a while. We gotta get people interested, help test, and BE PATIENT!
If you want to be part of this groundbreaking process just keep on keeping on!
EDIT: This rom will most likely have native Tethering built in... no bloat, knox removed, prerooted, deodexed etc
I would love a Rom and be willing to test also!
OptimuSlime said:
I approached a Dev who is capable and maybe willing to make us a rom.
I didn't "Demand" nor should anyone else. (People like to be appreciated, not harassed / bossed around, see Psychology 101)
We MAY get a Rom, it is very likely, but said Dev (who can chime in whenever they like, otherwise will remain anon for now) wants to have:
1.) Interest. Dev doesn't own a Note 8, will be doing this not for his own use. He wants to know that at least 5 or 10 of us will be able to benefit from his time and effort.
2.) Testers. The rom will (hopefully) be based on the U1 Unlocked firmware. Testers with any US model N8 (or Canadian I suppose) can benefit, but we need people from
all carriers willing to flash beta software to their phones, not whine if it doesnt work right away, and give intelligent, meaningful feedback.
3.) Time. This will be a gift / sideproject for the dev. It may take a while. We gotta get people interested, help test, and BE PATIENT!
If you want to be part of this groundbreaking process just keep on keeping on!
EDIT: This rom will most likely have native Tethering built in... no bloat, knox removed, prerooted, deodexed etc
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Shouldn't this be in the ROM/Development section?
Probably! I guess i'll move it lol
This is not a joke?
All of XDA's users of Note 8 (950U too) want of any rom, except official.
This is Not a joke. S8 / S8+ US model has almost the same setup as us, and also the same ****** locked bootloader.
There is a rom (are roms?) for it, and its badass.
I was amazed it wasnt available for the Note 8 US, so I asked and there just hadnt been any interested people asking someone who could handle it.
The guy who has the best chance of making it doesnt OWN a N8 so without someone asking him, it just wasnt on the old todo list.
I'm sure said Dev will get on here at some point as we get more people posting and clarify what he Can/Will/Will try to do. This is in no way guaranteed, but I would bet we have a rom sooner rather than later if we get enough people involved.
The thread will remain here while we gather testers and get a core of people interested.
When Dev decides to post a Link to something we can Download and test, He can start a Dev/Rom thread for that purpose. Keeps the site nice and tidy.
I'm willing to be a tester. Would love to have a new rom on my Sprint Note 8
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Edit: I will not be participating in this bounty any longer because I have pre-ordered the Note 3. I don't know if there is a way to transfer control of this thread to another user, if there is, please PM me if you want to take the responsibility. In addition, @mse_uk is also withdrawing from the bounty and can no longer provide the Note II demo unit, although he is maintaining his monetary pledge. I will also hold to my pledge as well. I hope you guys get root and a decent ROM very soon.
Why are we creating this bounty?
Coming from a T-Mobile Galaxy Note, I know how sad it can be when there is very little development for our phones. The Galaxy Mega 6.3 is a very good phone, but it needs some development to make it a great phone. We love our phones, but would love them that much more if we had the latest Android version. So what we need is a stable version of CyanogenMod for the Galaxy Mega 6.3. It must be CM 10.2 (Android 4.3) After considering the responses to this thread, it has been agreed that either a stable 10.1 or 10.2 ROM would be welcome. As an added bonus, member mse_uk has graciously offered his Galaxy Note II demo unit (i.e. fully functional, but minus the radio) to be added to the bounty provided that the developer provides a source repository for his work so that future development can be continued on the project.
What qualifies as a 'stable' ROM?
By stable, I mean the following must be working properly:
Calls
Data (including 3G/4G or LTE where available)
Camera (back and front)
Audio (speakers and earpiece)
Bluetooth
Wifi
GPS
Vibration
Rotation
Auto Brightness
Notification and LED (back/menu) lights
Android Keyboard
USB connection
What are the criteria for collecting the bounty?
In order to collect the bounty, the following conditions must be met:
1. Post in this thread that you are interested in the bounty and that you are working on getting it done (this will help avoid problems later).
2. Post your final version of the ROM in this thread so that pledgers can test and verify the stability of the ROM.
3. Provide the source repository for the ROM so that further development can continue.
Once these three conditions are met, the developer will be paid through their Paypal account and the Galaxy Note II will be shipped.
What can you do to make this a reality?
If you want to add to the bounty (and lets face it, you all do, lol) then post in this thread with your pledge, which I will add to this first post and the total. Any support that this gets is good, so even if you can only pledge a little, please do it. (As of now, I am leaving out pledges who are asking specifically about the AT&T version, because i'm not sure that their phone will be able to take advantage of any ROMs because of the current state of the bootloader. If that changes, I will include them in the total).
I will update this thread to keep everyone informed of the total pledged.
Pledges
Techngro.....$25
mse_uk........$25
Warnahly.....$25
Krijs............$25
ponglenis.....$15
Frogimus.....$25
marcdunn82..$25
Pledges from those with AT&T I527 version (not included in total)
Gotroot............$25
ga88352006.....$25
Hi Tech,
I'll match your $25.
If this is for the I527 I will throw 25 np
Gotroot said:
If this is for the I527 I will throw 25 np
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To be honest with you, I didn't consider the different versions. The international versions (i9200 and i905) have been out for a few weeks, so that is the one that most of us have been dealing with, but I know that the AT&T version (i527) was just announced and will be in stores soon (if not already).
I am pretty sure that the internals of all of the versions are the same, so it may be that one ROM will be good for all phones (except for the radios/modems). But we'll need a dev to actually confirm that.
I'll leave your pledge off until we can figure that out. Thanks for showing interest anyway.
Techngro said:
To be honest with you, I didn't consider the different versions. The international versions (i9200 and i905) have been out for a few weeks, so that is the one that most of us have been dealing with, but I know that the AT&T version (i527) was just announced and will be in stores soon (if not already).
I am pretty sure that the internals of all of the versions are the same, so it may be that one ROM will be good for all phones (except for the radios/modems). But we'll need a dev to actually confirm that.
I'll leave your pledge off until we can figure that out. Thanks for showing interest anyway.
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The i527 is locked tighter than ****'s hat band!
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How about this....
I'll offer a Galaxy Note 2 GT-N7100X store demonstrator, fully functional except it can't be used to make calls. But I'd want access to the source to be able to carry on building.
Would this be of interest to any experienced dev's?
Sent from some dark corner of my imagination from my Mega (or) Note.
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How about this....
I'll offer a Galaxy Note 2 GT-N7100X store demonstrator, fully functional except it can't be used to make calls. But I'd want access to the source to be able to carry on building.
Would this be of interest to any experienced dev's?
Sent from some dark corner of my imagination from my Mega (or) Note.
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@mse_uk: Thanks for making this available for the bounty, i'm sure it will peak a few dev's interest.
@everyone else: I wonder if there's a way to advertise our bounty on XDA. Dev's probably won't know about it until they come to this forum, which they probably won't do if they don't have a Mega or aren't thinking about getting one.
Maybe i'll tweet at XDA about the bounty with a link to this thread.
I think this bounty is unrealistic and the responses or lack of from developers will tell. The bounty is asking for a fully functional 10.2 rom with everything working. Right now, 10.2 is still in beta for the Note 2 and even when it gets out of beta and becomes a daily driver rom, there will still be some stuff that needs to be ironed out (Bluetooth, camera, low in call volume, etc...) if the past rom development is any indication.
Basically what I'm saying is I highly doubt any dev would take on the above requirements which is not realistic to complete and all for $75 and a phone that can't make calls.
You may want to revise the bounty for whoever can get CM to boot on the Mega 6.3 first. Then we should be able to get roms ported over. Then god willing, with the Megas going to the US, more devs get interested and develop for this phone.
At present only three people have pledged to a bounty, next week we could still have three, similarly we could have twenty which would be more appealing to somebody with the skills. I'm contributing towards a bounty because I just don't have the skills to do it myself even though i am giving it my best shot.
My latest failure after starting from scratch (again):
Code:
error: /home/mark/cm10.2/out/target/product/meliuslte/system.img+ too large (298913472 > [283041792 - 2838528])
make: *** [/home/mark/cm10.2/out/target/product/meliuslte/system.img] Error 1
make: *** Deleting file `/home/mark/cm10.2/out/target/product/meliuslte/system.img'
Please root
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I think this bounty is unrealistic and the responses or lack of from developers will tell. The bounty is asking for a fully functional 10.2 rom with everything working. Right now, 10.2 is still in beta for the Note 2 and even when it gets out of beta and becomes a daily driver rom, there will still be some stuff that needs to be ironed out (Bluetooth, camera, low in call volume, etc...) if the past rom development is any indication.
Basically what I'm saying is I highly doubt any dev would take on the above requirements which is not realistic to complete and all for $75 and a phone that can't make calls.
You may want to revise the bounty for whoever can get CM to boot on the Mega 6.3 first. Then we should be able to get roms ported over. Then god willing, with the Megas going to the US, more devs get interested and develop for this phone.
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The Mega is still a fairly new device, and a niche device at that. But I don't see any problem with having a bounty for CM 10.2, even if all you say is true. The same time/effort that would be dedicated to any other device could be dedicated to this device as well. And the sooner we get someone working on the latest version, the less time we have to wait to get a stable version. I would rather have the effort put towards the latest version with slow progress, than someone quickly porting CM 9.
But perhaps your suggestion of having bounties for different stages does make sense. we could have a small bounty for getting 10.2 to boot, and then a larger bounty for a test version and a stable version. If people think that is a good idea, I can set it up that way.
As for the current level of the bounty, yeah it's small, but as I said, the Mega is still a fairly new device, and is just hitting US carriers now. It might take a few weeks, but as more people get their devices and seek to expand its capabilities, they will come here and hopefully pledge something towards the bounty. I think everyone who is participating knows that this won't be an overnight effort.
Edit: btw, did you come here because you have a Mega and were just browsing the forum, or did you see my tweet about this bounty?
I have a mega and note 2 so I switch back and forth. Unfortunately time is not on our side. The note 3 will be coming out next month and devs will be moving on the the latest and greatest. What we need is for devs to have a vested interest in developing for the mega even though it isn't popular. I personally love slimbean ROMs. They are well programmed *and* they support older devices as they continue to do great things for new devices.
What I'm trying to say is that for the mega to have a chance of getting custom roms , one of the devs would have to have the phone to maintain it.
So instead of waiting until a dev does all the work getting a working ROM and collecting the bounty, we should contact one of them eg. Slimbean lead dev asking if he could include the mega among supported devices and send him enough money to buy one himself.
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n1tro said:
I have a mega and note 2 so I switch back and forth. Unfortunately time is not on our side. The note 3 will be coming out next month and devs will be moving on the the latest and greatest. What we need is for devs to have a vested interest in developing for the mega even though it isn't popular. I personally love slimbean ROMs. They are well programmed *and* they support older devices as they continue to do great things for new devices.
What I'm trying to say is that for the mega to have a chance of getting custom roms , one of the devs would have to have the phone to maintain it.
So instead of waiting until a dev does all the work getting a working ROM and collecting the bounty, we should contact one of them eg. Slimbean lead dev asking if he could include the mega among supported devices and send him enough money to buy one himself.
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We have a dev that has the device and he is working hard at rooting. Keep in mind, the Note III will also be locked.....at least from ATT.
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Thanks for the update
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I just found this thread for unlocking the bootloader maybe maybe and I hope it helps you on the way
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2396819
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n1tro said:
I have a mega and note 2 so I switch back and forth. Unfortunately time is not on our side. The note 3 will be coming out next month and devs will be moving on the the latest and greatest. What we need is for devs to have a vested interest in developing for the mega even though it isn't popular. I personally love slimbean ROMs. They are well programmed *and* they support older devices as they continue to do great things for new devices.
What I'm trying to say is that for the mega to have a chance of getting custom roms , one of the devs would have to have the phone to maintain it.
So instead of waiting until a dev does all the work getting a working ROM and collecting the bounty, we should contact one of them eg. Slimbean lead dev asking if he could include the mega among supported devices and send him enough money to buy one himself.
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15 days back i sent a PM to Indie but no response from him. Missing Omega , Criskelo and Android Revolution Badly... Only these developers with NEAK or perseus Kernel could remove little Touchwiz and other Lag .
Would be nice to see some love for this phone.
Pledging $25 as well.
I would happily toss in 15$ for a cm 10.1 or cm 10.2 that boots!!
Many a mickle makes a muckle, right?
Tried talking to Samsung to find out why those of us never receive updates to our software. Besides their chat being a joke as usual this is what i got:
Melina: I understand that you want to know why developer edition Galaxy S4 does not get updates like normal S4 . Is that correct?
Visitor: yes
Melina: Thank you for confirming.
Melina: May I know the model number of the device? To know the model number of the device, please tap on Home>> Applications>> Settings>>More tab>> About Device/About phone. It generally starts with SCH or SGH or SPH or GT.
Visitor: sch-i545
Melina: Thank you for the model number.
Melina: May I know your device base band version? You can find it in Applications>>Settings>>About Device/ About Phone.
Visitor: i545oyuamdk
Melina: Thank you for the information.
Melina: May I place you on hold for 2 minutes, while I gather the information on your request?
Visitor: yes
Melina: Thank you.
Melina: Thank you for waiting. I appreciate your time and patience.
Melina: I should inform you that your device has an update to Android 4.3 Jelly Bean through OTA( Over The Air) . OTA updates are pushed by the carrier. You need to contact your carrier and request them to push the update on your device.
Melina: You can contact Verizon support at 1-888-466-4646.
Click here to reach them online.
Melina: http://www.samsung.com/us/support/faq/FAQ00053701/63350/SCH-I545ZKDVZW
Melina: Please click on the above link to view how to update your device to Android 4.3 and information about the update.
Melina: Are you able to open the above link?
Visitor: yes i realize that this has this update which is why i am asking why i do not recieve it. YOu also pushed out 2 other OTA updates prior to this that only the consumer edition galaxy s4 got, the developer edition does not ever get them. The link you sent is for the update all galaxy s4 should be receiving but as if stated, noone who owns a developer edition gets these.
Melina: I understand your concern.
Melina: I should inform you that OTA updates are released by the carrier and not by Samsung. They push the update in batches by selecting devices randomly. You can contact them and request to push the update.
Visitor: i have contacted verizon before in regards to the previous updates not being installed. THey have informed me that you, samsung, does not release any of these updates for the developer edition, the updates you give to verizon are only good for the consumer edition. SO yes my question still stands why are there no updates for this version of the phone. Im sorry if you do not have an answer for this question please direct me to someone who does
Melina: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you.
Melina: I am sorry for the delay.
Melina: I should inform you that Kies software updates are provided by Samsung and OTA updates are provided by carrier. However I should inform you that boot loader of developers edition devices are by default unlocked and these phones are meant to install third party software on their devices thus Samsusng does not specifically provide software update. I request you to contact our higher level of chat support to know more information about the same.
Melina: You can contact our voice support at 1-888-987-4357, Mon-Fri: 7 AM - 9 PM (CST), Sat: 9 AM - 6 PM (CST).
So yes essentially they are never going to update the dev edition galaxy s4 from the current build. And as we know installing the consumer edition software is no good for our phone. So glad i spent $650 on a phone that will never receive updates.
You have an unlocked bootloader, just install any custom rom. There will be a wave of 4.3 based roms soon/already.
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You have an unlocked bootloader, just install any custom rom. There will be a wave of 4.3 based roms soon/already.
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Absolutely...and I wouldn't be surprised if one shows up today.
MehStrongBadMeh said:
You have an unlocked bootloader, just install any custom rom. There will be a wave of 4.3 based roms soon/already.
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That is not a stock software from Samsung. Yes it's nice to flash a rom, but if they had no intentions of updating the phone they should outline that before purchase. Why do you replace your phone over time? Because it becomes old and no longer recieves updated android. So by them selling a phone with no updates from the start, they are basically stating the device is EOL.
While true in the strictest sense, there really is no compelling reason to purchase the dev edition for anything but the unlocked bootloader. If all you were looking for was updated stock firmware, the three standard s4 is all that is needed. The dev s4 can effectively receive all the updates the standard s4 receives by using custom roms based on said updates. Also, the unlocked bootloader means you will be able to use custom roms of Android updates that are made long after Samsung ceases to make official updates for the device.
Samsung seems to always direct you back to the carrier (VZW) in this case. Irony is the the GPe version is not supported by the carrier but by Samsung/Google. Although google does not post the binaries either of the device. Since our device is locked to VZW I would bug Big Red for all its worth.
My 2 cents
MehStrongBadMeh said:
While true in the strictest sense, there really is no compelling reason to purchase the dev edition for anything but the unlocked bootloader. If all you were looking for was updated stock firmware, the three standard s4 is all that is needed. The dev s4 can effectively receive all the updates the standard s4 receives by using custom roms based on said updates. Also, the unlocked bootloader means you will be able to use custom roms of Android updates that are made long after Samsung ceases to make official updates for the device.
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This.
If you're going to buy the dev edition and you're not even a developer, then you bought it to run custom roms. You shouldn't care about if they update the stock firmware.
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joshm.1219 said:
This.
If you're going to buy the dev edition and you're not even a developer, then you bought it to run custom roms. You shouldn't care about if they update the stock firmware.
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You are correct, sir!
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Personally, I agree with both sides. In one case, you have an unlocked bootloader for a reason.
I believe you dealt with an uninformed agent in that chat, as she was just reading from a script, you could tell with the whole "can I confirm you are" blah blah. Try getting on the phone and dealing with a live American rep.
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joshm.1219 said:
This.
If you're going to buy the dev edition and you're not even a developer, then you bought it to run custom roms. You shouldn't care about if they update the stock firmware.
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I agree however i bought the dev edition solely for the fact i can customize it, and then run custom roms once i get bored of stock. Like any phone. However this leaves anyone with this phone no choice but to run custom roms for any updated software. It really doesn't matter what i wanted from the phone, or anyone else wanted, its solely the fact Samsung sold a phone with no intentions of supporting it beyond release. I can say that everyone who bought the standard gs4 should never have expected to run a custom rom and just be happy with stock as well, because thats exactly what the standard edition is made for. But we both know thats not true for the majority of people owning it. Samsungs selling point for the Dev edition is the choice to do what you want with it, by not supporting it they aren't giving you a choice to keep it stock (even though they give you no firmware image to get back to stock if you mess it up.) So yes i am right in saying they messed up big time with the Dev edition.
I have a conflicting view. I wouldnt personally want my developer edition phone to recieve updates, id rather want complete control over what is flashed to my device and I know I can just build a stock rom for the dev device from the consumer ed. updates. However not all people know how to build their own roms, know which partitions to ignore/modify/flash or know how to make it all come together and work. I think the issue is that there aren't many developers with dev s4's. Its possible to make odin images for all the corresponding consumer update builds. Dev edition devices are only limited by the ability and knowledge of their owners. Consumer devices dont get that luxary.
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Surge1223 said:
I have a conflicting view. I wouldnt personally want my developer edition phone to recieve updates, id rather want complete control over what is flashed to my device and I know I can just build a stock rom for the dev device from the consumer ed. updates. However not all people know how to build their own roms, know which partitions to ignore/modify/flash or know how to make it all come together and work. I think the issue is that there aren't many developers with dev s4's. Its possible to make odin images for all the corresponding consumer update builds. Dev edition devices are only limited by the ability and knowledge of their owners. Consumer devices dont get that luxary.
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I agree with that surge, the problem being like you said, those of us with limited development skillset cannot build the rom. guess I have something to learn
The other is brickability. Since the dev ed is more brickable without a true factory image to recover its a catch 22. Unlike the GPe there isn't any way to unlock the bootloader if it should become relocked.
my 2 cents
oakley470 said:
I agree however i bought the dev edition solely for the fact i can customize it, and then run custom roms once i get bored of stock. Like any phone. However this leaves anyone with this phone no choice but to run custom roms for any updated software. It really doesn't matter what i wanted from the phone, or anyone else wanted, its solely the fact Samsung sold a phone with no intentions of supporting it beyond release. I can say that everyone who bought the standard gs4 should never have expected to run a custom rom and just be happy with stock as well, because thats exactly what the standard edition is made for. But we both know thats not true for the majority of people owning it. Samsungs selling point for the Dev edition is the choice to do what you want with it, by not supporting it they aren't giving you a choice to keep it stock (even though they give you no firmware image to get back to stock if you mess it up.) So yes i am right in saying they messed up big time with the Dev edition.
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Well, just playing devil's advocate, you would think that the purpose of a developer edition is to have custom software on it. I agree with what you said about the expectations of someone who buys a stock phone of course, but it's obviously not true the majority of people owning a stock phone want custom software. I don't know if you meant to type it like that but I can assure you most people who buy the s4 in the world run normal Touchwiz and have no idea about ROM's, bootloaders, android versions, etc. I can make assumptions too about Samsung's selling point for the Dev Edition, but the only differentiating factor is an unlocked bootloader. The purpose of that is to run custom software, thus the purpose of the Dev Edition. Also, they might just assume the developers these devices are really meant for know how tobuild updated stock rom's if they wanted to. I understand your frustration in that it wasn't upfront information before you purchased it.
Buy a Dev phone with no knowledge of building ROMs and then complain about updates not being released for a phone built for ROM development purposes? Not sure why this is even an issue.
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Buy a Dev phone with no knowledge of building ROMs and then complain about updates not being released for a phone built for ROM development purposes? Not sure why this is even an issue.
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Not sure why you felt the need to post? The complaint is valid for many with a dev edition, everyone was wondering why they don't receive the updates, I have now answered that.
Even if we didn't get otas it would be nice if they released an Odin flashable factory image for when we screw our phones up.
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Knowing how to make your own ROM's has nothing to do with owning a Dev edition phone. If you had to buy the phone at retail price anyways, the Dev edition is a better choice, so I'm sure a lot of people did that. Even if they never planned to put custom ROM's on it.
Also to add, firmware updates come with security fixes, and radio updates to better connect to the carriers network (AWS support..). If they can sell a phone that connects to Verizon, they should update it the same as Verizon does with consumer version.
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Knowing how to make your own ROM's has nothing to do with owning a Dev edition phone. If you had to buy the phone at retail price anyways, the Dev edition is a better choice, so I'm sure a lot of people did that. Even if they never planned to put custom ROM's on it.
Also to add, firmware updates come with security fixes, and radio updates to better connect to the carriers network (AWS support..). If they can sell a phone that connects to Verizon, they should update it the same as Verizon does with consumer version.
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I agree although ROMing is the main activity with this phone other updates and software have nothing to do with the ROM. Since this is my first Dev Ed, I'm slightly disappointed.
I've tweeted with VZW to no avail but they seem to at least acknowledge the Dev Ed but don't have much info.
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Knowing how to make your own ROM's has nothing to do with owning a Dev edition phone. If you had to buy the phone at retail price anyways, the Dev edition is a better choice, so I'm sure a lot of people did that. Even if they never planned to put custom ROM's on it.
Also to add, firmware updates come with security fixes, and radio updates to better connect to the carriers network (AWS support..). If they can sell a phone that connects to Verizon, they should update it the same as Verizon does with consumer version.
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I agree. Dev edition phones are not just for running Roms. There is a reason that Stock images are put out there, so the those with Dev editions that do play around, have a way of getting back to a fresh restart. So a Dev edition is permanently locked on old software? That makes no sense. It should be up to Samsung to release the VZW 4.3 update for the Dev edition through Kies, not pushed, but offered. Those with Dev editions should have the ability to upgrade and still tinker, and given a the stock image to restart when necessary. It's why they shelled out the extra $.
Ive always been an HTC man and watched both live streams to decide my next phone. Im now pretty convinced its going to be the S6 Edge. The one thing thats worrying me is the development side of things with a Samsung own chip. Are they pretty good at supporting developers with documentation and such? I know when HTC went with the Tegra chip in the One X there were lots of problems with S-Off and that sort of thing. Is there likely to be any of that here or is it not a problem?
Exynos is closed source. They are not as open as say Qualcomm. Kernel is GPL so we will have custom stock kernel and ROMs. However... Cm12 and aosp is going to be hard AND buggy.
Custom stock ROM's are better than nothing, especially if you can get that bloatware out of the phone, even with a 128GB option (my GS6 Edge of choice) I still don't want all of the AT&T Bloatware and GB's of wasted space. Hiding is not enough for me.
are we gonna be able to achieve root?
it's all I'm interested in first phase, just want to remove some blootware from sammy, install a real UI and remove ads.
custom rom I can wait little more
Root will probably be the easiest.
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Root will probably be the easiest.
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not for everyone it won't be. verizon and at&t users will probably not be able to, if at all.
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not for everyone it won't be. verizon and at&t users will probably not be able to, if at all.
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The two biggest US Carriers always rain on our parade, sadly they offer the best coverage otherwise I would go with T-Mo just for the open nature of the devices.
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are we gonna be able to achieve root?
it's all I'm interested in first phase, just want to remove some blootware from sammy, install a real UI and remove ads.
custom rom I can wait little more
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Yeah Chainfire will done it on time.
Does that mean there will be problems with aosp Roms?
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Does that mean there will be problems with aosp Roms?
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You will most probably never see a AOSP based ROM for s6 I'm afraid. And if you do, it will be so bug infested that it will take months to make it a daily. Then there is the stability issue when hack building like that...
Just check the note 4 exynos page... One half functioning cm11 (kudos to the developer).
So yeah... Stock ROM, debloated with a custom kernel with kcal or something similar. I'm happy. Maybe even themed to aosp and 360dpi...
Dreams...
That sounds bad . It seems i have to think again then. Maybe if we get Samsung based Roms like echoerom i might be tempted
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That sounds bad . It seems i have to think again then. Maybe if we get Samsung based Roms like echoerom i might be tempted
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Yeah well Omega Roms have never failed a galaxy S series before...
Well we will see.
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Root and Knox
Hey guys
One of my colleagues has a Galaxy Alpha and is kinda jealous of me being able to stream to AirPlay-devices etc because my phone is rooted. So I said that I'd help him obtain rood, but soon discovered that the Alpha is not possible to root without trashing Knox.
So... does anybody know if that will also be the case with The S6 Edge? I NEED that phone, but I also NEED root... and I'd like to keep knox...
Also, The GS2 had both overclocking and undervolting options available... do you gus reckon that that will be possible on the S6Edge ?
- Martin
If you NEED root, don't buy it until root is confirmed. No one knows at this point how hard/easy it will be, or how long it will take to achieve.
looks like Chainfire has it already;
at least he posted a link in the original dev forum.
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If you NEED root, don't buy it until root is confirmed. No one knows at this point how hard/easy it will be, or how long it will take to achieve.
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Hey guys
One of my colleagues has a Galaxy Alpha and is kinda jealous of me being able to stream to AirPlay-devices etc because my phone is rooted. So I said that I'd help him obtain rood, but soon discovered that the Alpha is not possible to root without trashing Knox.
So... does anybody know if that will also be the case with The S6 Edge? I NEED that phone, but I also NEED root... and I'd like to keep knox...
Also, The GS2 had both overclocking and undervolting options available... do you gus reckon that that will be possible on the S6Edge ?
- Martin
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not for everyone it won't be. verizon and at&t users will probably not be able to, if at all.
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He did it already http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/orig-development/cf-auto-root-t3056631
Root already is a good sign!
Would be interesting to know of any developers who are at least interested in getting this phone to work on?
You're a power user. Can the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge keep up? Rate this thread to express how "healthy" the development scene is for the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge. A higher rating indicates available root methods, kernels, and custom ROMs.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
It's a bit too early for this IMO.
While its still took early since most people still havnt gotten their devices and devs usually don't have the money to throw at upgrading phones right when they come out, I hope that we will have a few solid devs here and create amazing ROMs. Not to mention the cm and aosp support we should see with the 820 varient.
Isn't the bootloader locked on all USA carriers? I know my Verizon one is. We'll be lucky to even get root.
Do you think we'll get xtrestolite for the s7?
Locked bootloader.
Samsung is starting to think they're Apple.
I feel like I'm wishing for the impossible to get root within 6 months on Verizon's S7e.
Personally I just bought the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge G935F (International Unlocked) version. I'm hoping development of roms picks up soon but until then at least I have root and the ability to make changes.
There are some great roms out for the g935F imo. Renovate and kryxxos both have very active forums and are making good progress. I'd say the development for the European variant has a pretty solid community so early on
I am happy to use it as is from factory. No need for root or roms here.
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I am happy to use it as is from factory. No need for root or roms here.
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There is always a need for root. Removal of bloatware, ability to link apps2SD, etc. It may be (and is) incredibly functional at stock state, but I'm dying for root access.
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There is always a need for root. Removal of bloatware, ability to link apps2SD, etc. It may be (and is) incredibly functional at stock state, but I'm dying for root access.
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That is why i said here, not there.
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I am happy to use it as is from factory. No need for root or roms here.
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Me too, for now it is very speed & smooth, may be after release of Android N, I may reconsider my decision. For now I am ☺
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Me too, for now it is very speed & smooth, may be after release of Android N, I may reconsider my decision. For now I am ☺
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Coming from a Nexus 6 used with stock/unrooted. i don't know why if it is a lollipop or marshmallow thing but rooted devices don't run as stable as they used to run like they did until kitkat. S7 Edge provides everything i need out of the package, i can disable whatever bloatware i don't need. So, i don't really see myself rooting for the sake of having root. :good:
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Coming from a Nexus 6 used with stock/unrooted. i don't know why if it is a lollipop or marshmallow thing but rooted devices don't run as stable as they used to run like they did until kitkat. S7 Edge provides everything i need out of the package, i can disable whatever bloatware i don't need. So, i don't really see myself rooting for the sake of having root. :good:
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Samsung slow in updates, they still haven't updated MM to S6 , just started in some countries. But, I think they will do the same with Android N to S7, So if you want to taste early Android N, you need to have CM.
Too early for this thread me thinks
Takes time for devs to bring us great things
In the meantime though I've been able to make quite a killer rom myself based on the latest G935FXXU1APCI TUR release and modded in xposed, root, removed knox and added in wifi-calling that I can use on UK EE
So... are owners of the Snapdragon version voting and commenting in this thread? If yes, that won't really be fair since the SD version is locked down.
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Personally I just bought the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge G935F (International Unlocked) version. I'm hoping development of roms picks up soon but until then at least I have root and the ability to make changes.
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I agree with you MorningStarGG. I hope that company will think about it.
Thanks.
Tripping Knox is something I want to stay away from.
i am buying a new phone, the S8+ to be exact, and there have been a lot of new developments (problems) when it comes to rooting your device. i've been rooting my smartphone devices for over 10 years because i love the freedom it brings (er, brought). Now i read things like Netflix, Snapchat, and AndroidPay not working on rooted devices. So i am wondering what people's experiences have been like. Any regrets? Are the trade-offs worth it to you? Is it worth being able to uninstall bloatware and install custom ROMs if a lot of other features and apps will stop working? i know most of this is personal preference but would like to know more about what other people have experienced.
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i am buying a new phone, the S8+ to be exact, and there have been a lot of new developments (problems) when it comes to rooting your device. i've been rooting my smartphone devices for over 10 years because i love the freedom it brings (er, brought). Now i read things like Netflix, Snapchat, and AndroidPay not working on rooted devices. So i am wondering what people's experiences have been like. Any regrets? Are the trade-offs worth it to you? Is it worth being able to uninstall bloatware and install custom ROMs if a lot of other features and apps will stop working? i know most of this is personal preference but would like to know more about what other people have experienced.
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First and foremost, if you plan on getting a US variant, meaning it will have a SD835 in it, Root is unlikely to come soon for it, This doesn't mean it won't happen, just not soon. Now if we're talking international, the ones that ship with an Exynos in it, they're rootable now.
Now, with that out the way let's get into the questions you've asked. There will indeed be a selection of apps that will not work when rooted these days because of "SafetyNet" check failure. Some of the biggest would be Snapchat and Android pay, However they will work with the assistance of Magisk which will allow SafetyNet to pass it's check, Same goes for most apps that fail to work because of root presence.
Heading back to what I first mentioned now, Rooting a Samsung device of recent years comes with some pretty notable cons to it, These would include loss of KNOX, I'm not sure what your stance on security is but if security is a concern to you, losing KNOX is not good. Another big and notable con is you will lose all Samsung pay support permanently, Actually to be honest both of the latter are permanently lost once rooted. If these things aren't a concern for you then by all means root away.
On to other things now, Rooting these days doesn't present as many attractive things as it use to, especially on a Samsung device. Most OEMS have given alternatives to many of the things a user couldn't do without root before. Currently there is no Xposed on Nougat and above, it's being worked on but there is no foreseeable date that can be given on when it will be completed.
So all in all, Until root is achieved for the Snapdragon variants, I'd hold off on a purchase of an S8. If we're talking Exynos variants then by all means get one, as I've said they're rootable right now. But don't let that be the ray of sunshine, though they're rootable, They're in infact an Exynos and Samsung is unwilling to provide source code to their Exynos chipsets. Which basically means to you that custom ROMs will be limited to rehashes of the stock ROMs with a couple mods if possible, AOSP such as Lineage and others like it are next to impossible to happen on Exynos without a source code to work from. It has been done before but the resulting roms took a long time to develop and either were extremely buggy or were just simply not usable for daily use.
I'm pretty sure I've hopefully covered every aspect I could but if you've got any more questions I'll surely answer them.
I apologise for this being so long lol.
Perfect. Thank you, this helped a lot.
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Perfect. Thank you, this helped a lot.
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Glad I could help, Again sorry it was a lengthy response but it was necessary to cover all of it.