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Google "Galaxy Note clone" I guess this is all the proof we need to show that the Note is a huge success. The worst part is gonna be the flood of silly clones with embarrassing specs. First we had iPhone clones now Galaxy Note clones, who's gonna buy this?
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To keep the complaining to a minimum and keep the thread on topic here a link in case you cannot follow instructions http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...action=devloc&q=galaxy+note+clone&v=133247963
Sorry about not posting a link when I made the thread. I had no idea it would upset people.
Video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbSBRi6f2J4
Notice in the video that the battery and charger are OEM samsung products and even comes in a real galaxy note box. These are probably the best three features.
Can you include some more info on this post. Like maybe pictures or a link.
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http://tinydeal.com/ samsung-5-inches-screen-pxn5i8-p-53306.html
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Sarius24 said:
Can you include some more info on this post. Like maybe pictures or a link.
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The info is there do a google search of "Galaxy Note clone" That couldn't be too hard for you to do. Its only 17 keystrokes.
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The info is there do a google search of "Galaxy Note clone" That couldn't be too hard for you to do. Its only 17 keystrokes.
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Usually when people want to alert other people of something...they include a link. How about if I say..."Theres an awesome mod for the GNote to double it's RAM, just search YouTube and you'll find it!"
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Usually when people want to alert other people of something...they include a link. How about if I say..."Theres an awesome mod for the GNote to double it's RAM, just search YouTube and you'll find it!"
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Omg.. I can't find it! :banghead:
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Usually when people want to alert other people of something...they include a link. How about if I say..."Theres an awesome mod for the GNote to double it's RAM, just search YouTube and you'll find it!"
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Right!
I so hate people that MAKE the topic with min info, and only expect us to understand fully their post by us googling first.
Silly to me, but that's my 2 cents
Hey guys, I just got the official ics release from att its awesome it unlocks the notes hidden 3rd core. Just google it you will see it
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The info is there do a google search of "Galaxy Note clone" That couldn't be too hard for you to do. Its only 17 keystrokes.
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Wouldn't have been too hard for you to post the info either.
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The info is there do a google search of "Galaxy Note clone" That couldn't be too hard for you to do. Its only 17 keystrokes.
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Yes because when making a post it's just right to assume everyone will know what your talking about. Obviously not.
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OMG can people really not follow instructions anymore? It was preety simple and to the point, google "galaxy note clone" that is as simple as it gets. Not everybody needs links cause they are too lazy to type in a search bar. I put very easy instruction on how to find the clones so if you cannot follow them its your fault. Back to the topic, I found two clones one has a 5.0 inch screen and one has a 5.3 inch screen. After you type "galaxy not clone" in your search bar they will both come up on the first page of results. I think one is called "hdc i9220 galaxy note" but not sure what the other is called but its made by a company called Kente.
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OMG can people really not follow instructions anymore? It was preety simple and to the point, google "galaxy note clone" that is as simple as it gets. Not everybody needs links cause they are too lazy to type in a search bar. I put very easy onstruction on how to find the clones so if you cannot follow them its your fault. Back to the topic, I found two clones one has a 5.0 inch screen and one has a 5.3 inch screen. After you type "galaxy not clone" in your search bar they will both come up on the first page of results.
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Simply put, to get your info across and to get replies, you should provide that info. Why should we have to work for YOUR topic?
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Simply put, to get your info across and to get replies, you should provide that info. Why should we have to work for YOUR topic?
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I was not askin anyone to work and could care less how many people reply. If you call making 17 keystrokes on your keyboard work then its your problem. Please stop the complaining. If youe really cannot type "Galaxy Note clone" in your search bar here is a link http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...action=devloc&q=galaxy+note+clone&v=133247963
If you care less about replies, why even make a topic?
This stuff is all over overseas there are knock offs of anything.
I got some "puma" shoes for 8 bucks
Some of the stuff is so funny they put name brands on anything even stuff that brand doesn't make
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Ive actually played with a knock off iphone 4 before. Let me tell you...its way different. The software is awful. The hardware feels cheap. The fitments didnt match up correctly. The only thing that was cool was the dual sim option. If you travel overseas a lot, the dual sim option comes in handy. For the price, theres no complaining. Remember, the iphone might be the best selling phone in the US but the Sgs2 is the best selling in other countries. So yes, the Note has some success in popularity. Imagine if the Note was released on all 4 carriers in the US...I would think the 5 million shipped would be easily 10 million.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
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Ive actually played with a knock off iphone 4 before. Let me tell you...its way different. The software is awful. The hardware feels cheap. The fitments didnt match up correctly. The only thing that was cool was the dual sim option. If you travel overseas a lot, the dual sim option comes in handy. For the price, theres no complaining. Remember, the iphone might be the best selling phone in the US but the Sgs2 is the best selling in other countries. So yes, the Note has some success in popularity. Imagine if the Note was released on all 4 carriers in the US...I would think the 5 million shipped would be easily 10 million.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
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Yeah they had an iphone mini last time I was there. Very cheap stuff tho, the dual sim is nice tho
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porkenhimer said:
Google "Galaxy Note clone" I guess this is all the proof we need to show that the Note is a huge success. The worst part is gonna be the flood of silly clones with embarrassing specs. First we had iPhone clones now Galaxy Note clones, who's gonna buy this?
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To keep the complaining to a minimum and keep the thread on topic here a link in case you cannot follow instructions http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...action=devloc&q=galaxy+note+clone&v=133247963
Sorry about not posting a link when I made the thread. I had no idea it would upset people.
Video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbSBRi6f2J4
Notice in the video that the battery and charger are OEM samsung products and even comes in a real galaxy note box. These are probably the best three features.
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Damn not bad if you were wanting a cheapo version
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Funny how some knock offs have features that we don't. The dual sim option would be really nice to have for some people.
But for those not fortunate enough to own a note, this is a semi–decent alternative
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No surprise here. They copy cars, why not phones. And usually the exterior is pretty close, but the innards always lack
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This is a discussion about the Gs3's future sales after the announcement of the most popular phone on the market, there have already been numerous 'comparison' threads closed, lets not turn this into one of those.
After today's underwhelming announcement of the iPhone5, the people sitting on the fence about whether to switch to the Galaxy S3 or Note2 (or something else) have to make a decision.
I've been reading comments on Android fan sites, Apple fan sites, and 'Neutral' tech sites, and the general feeling I got from all of them is that the iPhone5 just hasn't done enough to persuade a lot of people to stick with them.
Now, obviously, this thing will sell like hotcakes for the people that don't know any different to make an educated decision / that actually like the iPhone anyway / have bought too heavily into the apple ecosystem to switch now.
But those that are in the know, like everyone who watched the olympics... the S3 was plastered all over the place ... and the people that were keeping up with the patent trials (anyone who reads the news) will now know that there are better offerings out there and most likely opt for a Gs3.
So, do you think we will see a significant boost from the already 20m phones already sold?
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Samsung has done a wonderful job with the SGS3 and I'm sure the sales will keep up for some time, but it's not easy to convert Apple fanboys to Samsung. I don't think the sales are going to rise much further. The iPhone caught up pretty good (at least in the eyes of casual users).
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Samsung has done a wonderful job with the SGS3 and I'm sure the sales will keep up for some time, but it's not easy to convert Apple fanboys to Samsung. I don't think the sales are going to rise much further. The iPhone caught up pretty good (at least in the eyes of casual users).
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Even those that have been sitting on the fence the last couple of months to see what Apple has to offer?
Also, a personal insight, my mom and sister got a gs3 shortly after release, and genuinely with no persuading from me. They aren't tech heads, but they knew a class phone when they seen it.
The guys waiting for today to make their decision i think will go galaxy.
i think so, seen people taking 99$ deal on amazon right now
it will not be huge spike but there is going to be one.
for me the new iphone disappoint
no new tech or old favorites like fm radio, xenon flash, still LCD and only 4'
i mean 4.5 would have been fine
I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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My boss wanted to buy the iphone 5. He is very loyalty to Apple. But he started liking my S3. He already have doubts about buying iphone or not.
My mission: convert him into an android guy and wake him up to the reality
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I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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Of course, they'll sell shed loads. But the huge advertising campaign with the Olympics, the recent trial and those already on the fence should have the gs3 planted in their heads! I think Samsung will steal a good few of them.
Htc might get a wee jeg too if they get in the news regarding the lte patents (if that even happens)
Exciting times for sure.
I've cleaned up the mess fellas. Please remember to be polite and let's not get too far into the "you know what" discussion. :highfive:
A guy named John Pirsig (sp?) wrote a book titled, 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' a couple of decades back. In it he proposes there are 'Romantic' and 'Classical' people. He and a friend rode across the US (in the book & maybe in real life) on bikes. He had a Harley and the friend a BMW. (patience, it's coming... ) When they rode up the Rockies, the bikes started playing up and while he stopped and worked on his bike, and finally realised it was the reduction in atmospheric pressure needing just a tweak to fix, his mate went and paid a small fortune in a town garage to get his BMW fixed.
Pirsig talked for a bit about those who want an end-result experience and those who wanted to enjoy the journey. Some people forever focus on the end result and miss all the learning and fun along the way, 'big picture' people for whom the nuts and bolts are a horror to be avoided at all costs - literally in the case of his BMW mate.
At the time, as a Helpdesk person, I realised most Mac users are Romantics, people for whom computers are very much NOT fun and who use them solely to get a result and because they have to. Windows users were often some of the same sort, using Windows simply because their work said they had to, but far more of them would, if the subject was explained in terms they understood, become interested in the process and learn to fix their own printer/Word/Excel issues etc.
Apple have polarised the world again with their same-old, same-old tactics. The recent court case against Samsung proves Apple have not lost their litigious attitude towards protecting things they stole in the first place. (WIMP from Rank Xerox) And again we are shown the division between the Romantics and the Classicals - these forums are full of Classicals - look around and you will see lots of people who post about how wonderful this or that version of a ROM is, only to upgrade instantly a new version or even a different ROM comes along.
For most XDA'ers, I think the journey IS the end result - we tend to be travelling along with no particular goal in mind apart from a nebulous 'perfect phone' concept, and if all the developers stopped producing new ROMs to try we'd be heartbroken.
The Apple is good enough for most Apple users, be it Mac, iPad or iPhone. We will never convince them otherwise because they have sipped at the Kool-Aid fountain and like most religious people, they cannot even SEE the contrary information. It doesn't matter if the new iPhone has an A5, A6, A15 or quad or dual, it will be better in their eyes because it powers an Apple. They don't MIND buying expensive corsds ands connectors of all kinds because it is for Apple.
And they definitely don't see an ongoing development process as being a thing of benefit - Apple has spent far too many dollars convincing their world that you don't ever upgrade your device software, you just buy a new device. It is the proud boast of many Apple users that their product is far more stable than Windows, but my old enemy Microsoft constantly produced product that would work (most of the time) on any PC made across a spread of about 10 years, while Apple only ever made software for a very specific hardware platform - if you like, MS made an OS while Apple made glorified Firmware.
The same scenario is happening right now with Android. Android is being made to support all kinds of devices, with a legion of eager supporters providing updates and fixes. (on more of a Linux model than a MS one) Apple will not produce an iOS6 for their old phones, just for the brand new one you have to pay a small fortune for. Samsung (and other Android vendors) are producing updates so you get more life from your phone, providing a level of support to their clients Apple has never tried to match.
And eventually, the numbers will tell - just as in the PC/Mac wars, Apple had to compromise in both hardware and software, (Intel chips and running Windows on Macs) they will find eventually their tactics fail them. In my opinion, Android is the up-and-coming world of phones and pads, and Apple is the dinosaur relying desperately on massive programming... sorry, I mean advertising to keep their victims... I mean customers, loyal.
I think there will be a swing away from Apple as the actuality of the new phone falls far short of expectations and even the glitz Apple will give things will not hide the fact that all they have done is copy what is already being sold for hundreds less. But don't go expecting those weaned on the Kool-Aid to be coming over any time soon - the religious always resist the encroaching reality checks of the real world.
And on a personal note? I LIKE Apple for their litigiousness and mean spirit. If they had been sensible back in the late 80's/early 90's, we'd all be using Macs and locked down so tight I wouldn't have had a 25 year computer career helping others. For more than 2 decades I've had a job description of, 'I'm a bloke, and I fix stuff' that would never have been possible if Apple had treated their customers as anything other than sheeple to be fleeced to the maximum. Their greed allowed PC's to develop and become what we see, and now Apple's greed and contempt will allow Android the space to grow and become the new ubiquitous OS for mobile devices.
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A guy named......
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I didn't quote it all for obvious reasons, but god damn it, that is the best comment I have seen on xda in months.
If I could thank you twice I would.
Hats off to you sir, you have made my day. :thumbup:
I'm also gonna link this in my signature.
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
^^ possibly the most eloquent post I have ever read. Bravo Sir.
Edit, nodstuff was too quick and got in the way..
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Mr Woolf said:
^^ possibly the most eloquent post I have ever read. Bravo Sir.
Edit, nodstuff was too quick and got in the way..
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Why thank you very much! I apprecia.....
Oh. You weren't talking about my post...
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
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Why thank you very much! I apprecia.....
Oh. You weren't talking about my post...
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
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*grins* In 1987 I bought an XT clone (1MB Ram, twin 5.25" FDD's - envy of the few I knew with PC's because I could put my programs floppy AND my data one in at the same time ) to write books. I was sick of having to re-type a page or more just to change a sentence. 3 months later the PC got me a new job supporting WPO's at 3 grand per year more than I was getting. and I still haven't written my SciFi books. Working on it now and of course, along comes bloody Samsung S3 with Android and I'm fighting against techo distractions again... le sigh...
Forums like XDA will help greatly with selling Android; some older members need to recall that they once didn't know stuff but mostly folk are very helpful and there is a LOT of info to be had here. Mind you, it suffers a bit from popularity - search for something you want to know and you get like 5000 threads to look through. Needs an Advanced Search function, or maybe I just haven't found it yet. And why can't I search on the entire Samsung S3 forum? le sigh...
I think the reaction from a number of sites about how the court case showed Apple users how they could get everything Apple offered for far less if they stepped away from the Kool-Aid spigot shows an interesting facet to the competition. I haven't seen such comment before, even for Mac/Pentium battles. Usually it was about the differences, not the fact you could get the same thing. It could make a difference, particularly if the members here make a point of posting such a view on any/all forums they are members on.
5th column... the ONLY Army to join...
It is surely a good day for people that knows stuff from the gadget world but for common people they are still awed no matter what. The power of Apple's marketing can even turn a pile of scrap metal into gold.
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I didn't quote it all for obvious reasons, but god damn it, that is the best comment I have seen on xda in months.
If I could thank you twice I would.
Hats off to you sir, you have made my day. :thumbup:
I'm also gonna link this in my signature.
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
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I'm gonna quote that to my signature too.-
bbc news, sky news.... ripping into the iPhone. They say it boring, more of the same... and they mention the s3 a few times in each article.
This is big.
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bbc news, sky news.... ripping into the iPhone. They say it boring, more of the same... and they mention the s3 a few times in each article.
This is big.
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Source?
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A guy named John Pirsig (sp?) wrote a book ...
Excellent, tanks
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Source?
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just Search : iPhone 5: Consumer Anger Over £25 Adaptor
I'd link but not allowed :fingers-crossed:
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Source?
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http://news.sky.com/story/984469/new-iphone-is-more-of-the-same-from-apple
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19557497
By now you guys may have heard of the latest news regarding Samsung's unwillingness to release documentation about their Exynos chip based devices. Codeworkx and Entropy have been trying for quite some time now but Samsung has responded in a somewhat optimistic fashion. The story is in the portal if you haven't seen it yet.
I'm posting this here so we can get as many people as possible to contact Samsung via all the social media avenues we have(twitter,Facebook,google+, etc). Lets tell them what we want and the possibility that we may go with another manufacturer for our next device(I.e LG Nexus device, hopefully open source).
I would implore users to follow @Entropy512 and @codeworkx on twitter to join the conversation
Portal link: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-aware-of-exynos-documentation-issue/#disqus_thread
Petition thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Codeworkx comments: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32576852&postcount=17071
More: http://www.sammobile.com/2012/10/10...ver-missing-exynos-docs/#.UHVMN3qlP4Q.twitter
Spread the word to your friends in other device forums, etc to join the fight!
COME ON, SAMSUNG!!!!!
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By now you guys may have heard of the latest news regarding Samsung's unwillingness to release documentation about their Exynos chip based devices. Codeworkx and Entropy have been trying for quite some time now but Samsung has responded in a somewhat optimistic fashion. The story is in the portal if you haven't seen it yet.
I'm posting this here so we can get as many people as possible to contact Samsung via all the social media avenues we have(twitter,Facebook,google+, etc). Lets tell them what we want and the possibility that we may go with another manufacturer for our next device(I.e LG Nexus device, hopefully open source).
I would implore users to follow @Entropy512 and @codeworkx on twitter to join the conversation
Portal link: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-aware-of-exynos-documentation-issue/#disqus_thread
Petition thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Codeworkx comments: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32576852&postcount=17071
COME ON, SAMSUNG!!!!!
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http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-hears-exynos-community-documentation-concerns
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Also https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos/status/255733883449004032
This thing is growing to a serious amount right now and I like it
There are a growing amount of threads about the source code issue:
Note N7000:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32622901#post32622901
Galaxy SII I9100:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929188
The only lesson I've taken away from owning a captivate and gs2 since day 1 of each release is that if you don't want to be disappointed, nexus line is the way to go.
I'll get the next nexus and wash my hands of this sordid galaxy business.
If it's LG, so be it. Samsung makes great hardware but I feel like they string us along on the support front.
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The only lesson I've taken away from owning a captivate and gs2 since day 1 of each release is that if you don't want to be disappointed, nexus line is the way to go.
I'll get the next nexus and wash my hands of this sordid galaxy business.
If it's LG, so be it. Samsung makes great hardware but I feel like they string us along on the support front.
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Even if it is lg Google should solve the horrid software updates
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Nope. I'll still buy Samsung devices. They have the best hardware and design IMO, and I actually like Touchwiz.
i'm pretty phone-agnostic. but i'll avoid HTC and Moto like the plague because of actual hardware
will give up all the exynos produce.... too buggy with developer support
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will give up all the exynos produce.... too buggy with developer support
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huh?
I voted for YES to add some pressure. Actually, im enjoying my phone, but the experience would be even better if we had proper Exynos Documentation.
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I voted for YES to add some pressure. Actually, im enjoying my phone, but the experience would be even better if we had proper Exynos Documentation.
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As am I, but Samsung needs to start giving it up. And look at how much emphasis they've placed on the whole emmc brickbug issue. They have great design and hardware elements, but if there are less devs to support the continuity and customization of these Samsung devices, then it makes all the more sense for me to jump ship. I don't like the other manufacturers, but if they are more supportive of developers in terms of code release, etc. then that's where i'll be heading. Or I might just buy a Nexus device. Samsung needs to stop being so darn stingy.
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As am I, but Samsung needs to start giving it up.
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Samsung doesn't NEED to do anything... them providing anything more than the product itself (and warranty support) is going above and beyond.
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Samsung doesn't NEED to do anything... them providing anything more than the product itself (and warranty support) is going above and beyond.
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They need to do it if they want to keep sales where they're at now.
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They need to do it if they want to keep sales where they're at now.
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Agree with this. People are becoming more tech savvy each day, and even my dad wants ICS/JB on his phone. He is 50, but he readed on the net about the update, saw some videos and know he is looking to buy a new phone shipped with ICS that will receive the update to JB. I told him that he should buy a phone with good dev support in case he decides to root and flash rom (had to explain what that was, but he got it pretty fast). He agreed
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Agree with this. People are becoming more tech savvy each day, and even my dad wants ICS/JB on his phone. He is 50, but he readed on the net about the update, saw some videos and know he is looking to buy a new phone shipped with ICS that will receive the update to JB. I told him that he should buy a phone with good dev support in case he decides to root and flash rom (had to explain what that was, but he got it pretty fast). He agreed
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So true. One of my co-workers was a staunch Blackberry fan; when his phone tanked and he went back to our telecoms provider (the S3 had just been released), he convinced them to upgrade him to an S3 instead of replacing the dead BB with another one. Now he's complaining about the JB update taking so long, etc. , and he can't wait for his warranty to run out so he can root... lol
Even my friends who mostly go for iPhones where I am (so many of them it's ridiculous) are on average more tech savvy than I usually think, but the people with Android phones more often want to learn about rooting and roming and they come to me for that and I always lead them here. So it isn't just the tech geeks now.
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They need to do it if they want to keep sales where they're at now.
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thats the thing... they don't NEED to do anything but provide the hardware and warranty. it doesn't matter to them, as a large corporation, if people mod the phones or not. people will still buy the hardware.
the relatively few of us that want the full support are nowhere near the amount of people that just don't care... which is exactly why (it makes me feel dirty saying it) apple can get away with phones that are nothing more than functioning paperweights compared to what we do with out phones. the masses dictate the sales, not us as a small group (in comparison).
samsung will just come out with a better version of TW to try and get people to not want full support, thats a better business model for them when you think about their users as a whole.
it's business 101, do whats best for the masses, not the few.
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it's business 101, do whats best for the masses, not the few.
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I would say its "Marketing 101", and the term you might be looking for is Niche Market.
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A niche market is the subset of the market on which a specific product is focusing. So the market niche defines the specific product features aimed at satisfying specific market needs, as well as the price range, production quality and the demographics that is intended to impact.
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Doesn't matter which business model they follow, it isn't hard to publish documentation. We aren't asking them to dev for us, just release the damn information so our devs can do what they do easier and better!
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Not speaking about all reps. But most if not all I have encountered dont know
Sh0t. I call them about carrier billing. It is not working for me for some reason. They first want to check my imei/meid to see if my device and line support it. I am put on hold for 5 minutes and they come back stating they cant find a way for me to access these items. I tell them either on back under battery or in about phone under settings. They so OK, then ask me to read it. We proceed to featuers blocked on my line. They say the only thing blocked is the MBBN. I ask if that will block billing and he says I honestly dont know. I then ask him if I need to contact the FCC. He then asks "What is a FCC?" I say really... so then I have to explain to him what that is. Subject never gets resolved. Moral of this story, might not want to look to VZW for certain support info. Anyone else ever encounter a problem like this with VZW support.
Sent from my rooted Verizon Galaxy Note 2. FU Verizon and all tour BS you throw around.
ihavenewnike said:
Not speaking about all reps. But most if not all I have encountered dont know
Sh0t. I call them about carrier billing. It is not working for me for some reason. They first want to check my imei/meid to see if my device and line support it. I am put on hold for 5 minutes and they come back stating they cant find a way for me to access these items. I tell them either on back under battery or in about phone under settings. They so OK, then ask me to read it. We proceed to featuers blocked on my line. They say the only thing blocked is the MBBN. I ask if that will block billing and he says I honestly dont know. I then ask him if I need to contact the FCC. He then asks "What is a FCC?" I say really... so then I have to explain to him what that is. Subject never gets resolved. Moral of this story, might not want to look to VZW for certain support info. Anyone else ever encounter a problem like this with VZW support.
Sent from my rooted Verizon Galaxy Note 2. FU Verizon and all tour BS you throw around.
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All the time. In store I had a rep tell me that their verizon intuition had "way better" the specs then the note 2. I loled
I think I would have had a natural reflex and slapped them
Sent from my rooted Verizon Galaxy Note 2. FU Verizon and all tour BS you throw around.
A lot of techie stores are like this. The people working there know sqwak and then like to give people that do know stuff dirty looks. Whenever I'm in a Best Buy with my dad and a rep comes over we tell them we're fine and my dad always makes a joke like "I'm fine with him, he knows everything." The reps just glare me down. Most of them stand next to the info tag and read directly from it to the customer they're helping which is pretty sad.
They give jobs to 20 year olds that still say "axe" instead of "ask," use other slang/ghetto speak, and don't know the difference between two TVs besides one is LG and LCD the other is Sony and LED, but don't accept the 17 year old that goes to a prestigious high school in the area and who's resume shows tech experience.
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A lot of techie stores are like this. The people working there know sqwak and then like to give people that do know stuff dirty looks. Whenever I'm in a Best Buy with my dad and a rep comes over we tell them we're fine and my dad always makes a joke like "I'm fine with him, he knows everything." The reps just glare me down. Most of them stand next to the info tag and read directly from it to the customer they're helping which is pretty sad.
They give jobs to 20 year olds that still say "axe" instead of "ask," use other slang/ghetto speak, and don't know the difference between two TVs besides one is LG and LCD the other is Sony and LED, but don't accept the 17 year old that goes to a prestigious high school in the area and who's resume shows tech experience.
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Any sales experience? Pretty sure 6 months is required. I applied with 1 year of sales and IT experience and said no after they wanted to make me a cashier.
Best Buy is terrible anyway. I ordered the Collector's Edition of Diablo 3 at a store that was closing (found out 3 weeks after I ordered) and got an email that I needed to call them to change the store or ship it to my house. I called them 5 times and opened 2 cases. They couldn't get it changed or shipped to my house because of a glitch it the system. 2 days before the game came out they said they would "send it to the correct department for viewing" and yeah... never got it.
Verizon is terrible about knowing about their phones (in or out of the store). When I bought my Thunderbolt, the first rep said I didn't have a discounted upgrade (literally saw it on her little tablet thing that I did) so I went to the next rep and he didn't know how much internal storage their was. Needless to say, I've ordered online since then.
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A lot of techie stores are like this. The people working there know sqwak and then like to give people that do know stuff dirty looks. Whenever I'm in a Best Buy with my dad and a rep comes over we tell them we're fine and my dad always makes a joke like "I'm fine with him, he knows everything." The reps just glare me down. Most of them stand next to the info tag and read directly from it to the customer they're helping which is pretty sad.
They give jobs to 20 year olds that still say "axe" instead of "ask," use other slang/ghetto speak, and don't know the difference between two TVs besides one is LG and LCD the other is Sony and LED, but don't accept the 17 year old that goes to a prestigious high school in the area and who's resume shows tech experience.
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A friend of mine works at the Target Mobile kiosk; he literally knows crap-all about phones, owns an old smartphone he's never turned on, and whenever I'm there talking to him, I end up telling the customers more about the phones they look at than he does. Which is why I work in a car wash, and he tries to sell people tech he doesn't understand. It's practically a joke by now.
Did you really pull the FCC card because of an account snafu?
That makes you as ridiculous as the rep.
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Did you really pull the FCC card because of an account snafu?
That makes you as ridiculous as the rep.
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That's about what i was thinking.
A lot depends on the customers attitude.
A buddy of my Son's works at BestBuy. He and all his coworkers are great guys.
I stop in there all the time to shoot the breeze with those guys.
As long as you don't go in there with a "know it all" attitude, I find the BB guys are all helpful & a pleasure to talk to.
Some of them are tech geeks & others are not so knowledgeable but they don't pay sh!t so that's understandable.
I have had some great tech B.S. sessions concerning ROMs, locked bootloaders etc with these guys.
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Did you really pull the FCC card because of an account snafu?
That makes you as ridiculous as the rep.
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No kidding.
jmorton10 said:
A lot depends on the customers attitude.
A buddy of my Son's works at BestBuy. He and all his coworkers are great guys.
I stop in there all the time to shoot the breeze with those guys.
As long as you don't go in there with a "know it all" attitude, I find the BB guys are all helpful & a pleasure to talk to.
Some of them are tech geeks & others are not so knowledgeable but they don't pay sh!t so that's understandable.
I have had some great tech B.S. sessions concerning ROMs, locked bootloaders etc with these guys.
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No kidding.
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You are right about attitude as well. When I exchanged my DNA for my Note II, I could have berated and slammed the rep working with me that was telling me that KLP source was online, but instead I just lightly conversed with him and ignored it.
As a result, I was in and out quickly without any troubles.
Be careful how you treat people who are in a position to screw you. He could have easily nixed my unlimited data because I was getting in through a loophole.
About 10 years ago I worked for MS doing tech support. If a customer was a douche to me (or acted like a know it all), the resolution immediately became format and reinstall the OS. If they hung up on me, I put it in the notes and as a senior tech, others listened to me. However, if you were acting decent and respectful, I would fix your OS without reinstalling it and potentially losing data.
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They give jobs to 20 year olds that still say "axe" instead of "ask," use other slang/ghetto speak, and don't know the difference between two TVs besides one is LG and LCD the other is Sony and LED, but don't accept the 17 year old that goes to a prestigious high school in the area and who's resume shows tech experience.
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Technically they are both LCDs, just with different backlighting.
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About 10 years ago I worked for MS doing tech support. If a customer was a douche to me (or acted like a know it all), the resolution immediately became format and reinstall the OS. If they hung up on me, I put it in the notes and as a senior tech, others listened to me. However, if you were acting decent and respectful, I would fix your OS without reinstalling it and potentially losing data.
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LOL, I can relate to that.
A number of years ago I did some tech support for HP Pavilion desktops.
Same thing, if the customer was a douche I would simply tell them the only fix was to run the recovery disc which was the same thing as a format and OS reinstall.
Some of the customers where great however and with them I occasionally spent hours on the phone with them, walking a novice through basic PC troubleshooting etc.
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Technically they are both LCDs, just with different backlighting.
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And they probably wouldn't know that
Lol. Was all part of it. He didnt know anything else. In all reality was a test. No lie did it on purpose
Sent from my rooted Verizon Galaxy Note 2. FU Verizon and all tour BS you throw around.
I work at a store and me and one other guy knows what we're talking about...so yeah you get about a 5 percent chance of the reps knowing anything, but as a guy said before me it's easier to be nice to the rep and probably get what you want than to be a Douche and end up getting nothing and possibly losing something.
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No offense to anyone, but if you know enough to be here at XDA there should be no reason to step foot inside a store or call tech support. I buy all my gear online and If I call tech its because I already know it's gonna be a warranty replacement. I do the little song and dance on the phone, and a couple days later the phone shows up.
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I wasnt mean.
Sent from my rooted Verizon Galaxy Note 2. FU Verizon and all tour BS you throw around.
Yep, I really don't get the folks trying to buy stuff in stores or calling tech support. It's literally just someone reading a screen, there is no such thing as tech info you can't find yourself online and quicker than tech support. Sad but true.
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The moral of this story is:
Be nice to the guys at the store or on the phone. They make less than you do, and they have to deal with a hundred people just like you every day. They don't owe you anything but if you're cool they'll help you out. Oddly enough this is a lesson which can be applied to human interactions everywhere in your life.
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No offense to anyone, but if you know enough to be here at XDA there should be no reason to step foot inside a store or call tech support. I buy all my gear online and If I call tech its because I already know it's gonna be a warranty replacement. I do the little song and dance on the phone, and a couple days later the phone shows up.
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All you have to know to be here at XDA is how to read and follow a simple sign up. Not that special.
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Yep, I really don't get the folks trying to buy stuff in stores or calling tech support. It's literally just someone reading a screen, there is no such thing as tech info you can't find yourself online and quicker than tech support. Sad but true.
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Most tech supports have a database of issues that have occurred in the past and how to fix them (not found on Google). There are also things that can happen that is beyond the user's control. I didn't get a delivery notice from Verizon for my Note 2 so I called them and found out there was a bug in the system and we had to resubmit it. If I had your way of thinking on the matter I would have never got my phone.
Just because many people here at XDA don't need tech support, doesn't mean the majority of people don't. You can see this in most mod/ROM threads. Lots of people ask questions because they have issues and the communuty helps them out (basically tech support). I work in IT and some people don't know anything about electronics eventhough they work with them everyday.
Not trying to attack you guys or anything, just trying to bring the real world to a tech forum since I help them every day.
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All of us Snapdragon Note 8 users know it's a long shot, but it's worth the try... Let your voice be heard and Samsung to surrender! Please take a minute to vote, all is appreciated!
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-un...m_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition
0% chance of this working. But I'll sign anyway.
You'll probably have better luck with a bootloader unlock bounty.
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0% chance of this working. But I'll sign anyway.
You'll probably have better luck with a bootloader unlock bounty.
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Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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Okay, a bounty involves donations, which does seem more attractive to Samsung, but I'm not sure how to set up donation links, secure payment, etc.... If someone does and makes a thread, that'll be cool too.
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Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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No problem!
A petition is for Samsung, a bounty is for hackers.
**UPDATE**
We're now over 100 signatures in! Thanks to all who have signed already! If you haven't already, a minute of your time would greatly be appreciated to sign the petition. Thanks to all Note 8 users!
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**UPDATE**
We're now over 100 signatures in! Thanks to all who have signed already! If you haven't already, a minute of your time would greatly be appreciated to sign the petition. Thanks to all Note 8 users!
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WOT - we had thousands for locked s7's and totally ignored.
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WOT - we had thousands for locked s7's and totally ignored.
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Yeah @gaww I try to be optimistic because everyone's effort is 1 step closer to to end this. But.... we will see
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Yeah @gaww I try to be optimistic because everyone's effort is 1 step closer to to end this. But.... we will see
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It is hopeless- that is why I dumped my US model and bought international s7e. I have both s8 port and early oreo ROM on it.
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It is hopeless- that is why I dumped my US model and bought international s7e. I have both s8 port and early oreo ROM on it.
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I would I paid off my phone, but it's too much of a hassle for me to sell it and find a new one. I'm broke and still in school? I had an Exynos A5 2016 before this and definitely going for Exynos next time around
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I would I paid off my phone, but it's too much of a hassle for me to sell it and find a new one. I'm broke and still in school[emoji23] I had an Exynos A5 2016 before this and definitely going for Exynos next time around
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Understand - good luck.
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Signed, always remaining hopeful!
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Signed. Doubtful, but hopeful. I don't know the rules around it but I feel like setting up a community bounty and seeing who would be willing to chip in might be a bit more effective. I feel like the Snap Note 8 community is pretty sizable to sum up enough of a bounty to attract some capable hackers to put some time in.
Signed I'm sure it won't matter but at least we tried right? Hopefully someone can eventually bust this thing wide open would be a nice phone to do whatever we want on it. MAN why did I go back to the AT&T route instead of international unlocked?
Signed.
Later than sooner, i wont say it's impossible, but for sure damn near. It's about forums and private site's, (US) who will make it possible. I've been programming for a little over 20 years although a different kind, CNC programming. Ive taken apart many phones including the note 8. Making a custom removable back cover is easy but when it comes down to analyzing every part in the phones. G-code was my first programming language to ever learn but 20 years later ive come to understand many languages. I'm just one part of a large group of people, each with a different set of skills. If anyone know's how to read a blueprint or schematics, or have a knowledge of how qualcomm bootloaders work in general on the note 8 specifically. sorry if this not the right place to post, ive been aware of the forum for long, signed up when the s8 came out. I want to contribute, just never have thought saying thing here as i havnt seen anything about custom modifications so the physical parts.
Signed still haven't lost faith
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Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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Okay, a bounty involves donations, which does seem more attractive to Samsung, but I'm not sure how to set up donation links, secure payment, etc.... If someone does and makes a thread, that'll be cool too.
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So to be clear, a petition shows a desire by the community to change something. Even if you got 10,000 signatures. Thats a small small slice of the pie for Samsung.
Bounties are to give individuals that may have the know how to achieve a goal, some incentive to do so via monetary compensation. I highly doubt a company like samsung or any large publicly traded company would even acknowledge a bounty and Im sure there are some legal rules against doing so. Not to mention they stand to make more money from NOT unlocking the bootloader and compromising knox than they stand to make from a bounty on xda..
If this bootloader is to ever be unlocked it will be by a team of code breakers as it took a team of coders to create this bootloader I'm sure. The bounty has to be a lot higher. Maybe there's a way of hard wiring through the eeprom and recoding the bootloader. I knew someone who did that to recode the mileage on a new odometer without going to the car dealer but I guess that's rookie stuff compared to this.
only a bounty on XDA would even make it ever so slightly possible; some talented folks have tried since day 1 without success..
petition to Samsung? now THATS funny!
They could care less about any sort of petition to make their devices less secure..
Signed,
I hope that the snapdragon variant does get an unlocked bootloader, but I would be extremely surprised if that ever happened. It is all completely under control of the US carriers as they are the driving force that causes the bootloader to remain locked. I originally had a Canadian SM-N950W and after being annoyed by how I couldn't do what I want with my own hardware that I shelled out a pretty penny for, I recently bought a SM-N950F from Amazon and sold the W. I think that's probably everyone's best way to go. Voting with your wallet is the only way to solve such problems. Although, since there is a large majority of users who have the snapdragon models who don't care to root, I don't see it making a huge difference in the long run.
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Signed,
I hope that the snapdragon variant does get an unlocked bootloader, but I would be extremely surprised if that ever happened. It is all completely under control of the US carriers as they are the driving force that causes the bootloader to remain locked. I originally had a Canadian SM-N950W and after being annoyed by how I couldn't do what I want with my own hardware that I shelled out a pretty penny for, I recently bought a SM-N950F from Amazon and sold the W. I think that's probably everyone's best way to go. Voting with your wallet is the only way to solve such problems. Although, since there is a large majority of users who have the snapdragon models who don't care to root, I don't see it making a huge difference in the long run.
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Wallet is only way to vote unfortunately. Why would they ever unlock this when the note 4 is still locked? Eol phone and they don't unlock it, reason being then you wouldn't buy the new model. This will never happen, I'm sorry.
Note 8 killed my Samsung loyalty. All previous tv's phone etc. Never again.