All of us Snapdragon Note 8 users know it's a long shot, but it's worth the try... Let your voice be heard and Samsung to surrender! Please take a minute to vote, all is appreciated!
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-un...m_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition
0% chance of this working. But I'll sign anyway.
You'll probably have better luck with a bootloader unlock bounty.
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0% chance of this working. But I'll sign anyway.
You'll probably have better luck with a bootloader unlock bounty.
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Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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Okay, a bounty involves donations, which does seem more attractive to Samsung, but I'm not sure how to set up donation links, secure payment, etc.... If someone does and makes a thread, that'll be cool too.
vin_001 said:
Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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No problem!
A petition is for Samsung, a bounty is for hackers.
**UPDATE**
We're now over 100 signatures in! Thanks to all who have signed already! If you haven't already, a minute of your time would greatly be appreciated to sign the petition. Thanks to all Note 8 users!
vin_001 said:
**UPDATE**
We're now over 100 signatures in! Thanks to all who have signed already! If you haven't already, a minute of your time would greatly be appreciated to sign the petition. Thanks to all Note 8 users!
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WOT - we had thousands for locked s7's and totally ignored.
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WOT - we had thousands for locked s7's and totally ignored.
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Yeah @gaww I try to be optimistic because everyone's effort is 1 step closer to to end this. But.... we will see
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Yeah @gaww I try to be optimistic because everyone's effort is 1 step closer to to end this. But.... we will see
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It is hopeless- that is why I dumped my US model and bought international s7e. I have both s8 port and early oreo ROM on it.
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gaww said:
It is hopeless- that is why I dumped my US model and bought international s7e. I have both s8 port and early oreo ROM on it.
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I would I paid off my phone, but it's too much of a hassle for me to sell it and find a new one. I'm broke and still in school? I had an Exynos A5 2016 before this and definitely going for Exynos next time around
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I would I paid off my phone, but it's too much of a hassle for me to sell it and find a new one. I'm broke and still in school[emoji23] I had an Exynos A5 2016 before this and definitely going for Exynos next time around
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Understand - good luck.
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Signed, always remaining hopeful!
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Signed. Doubtful, but hopeful. I don't know the rules around it but I feel like setting up a community bounty and seeing who would be willing to chip in might be a bit more effective. I feel like the Snap Note 8 community is pretty sizable to sum up enough of a bounty to attract some capable hackers to put some time in.
Signed I'm sure it won't matter but at least we tried right? Hopefully someone can eventually bust this thing wide open would be a nice phone to do whatever we want on it. MAN why did I go back to the AT&T route instead of international unlocked?
Signed.
Later than sooner, i wont say it's impossible, but for sure damn near. It's about forums and private site's, (US) who will make it possible. I've been programming for a little over 20 years although a different kind, CNC programming. Ive taken apart many phones including the note 8. Making a custom removable back cover is easy but when it comes down to analyzing every part in the phones. G-code was my first programming language to ever learn but 20 years later ive come to understand many languages. I'm just one part of a large group of people, each with a different set of skills. If anyone know's how to read a blueprint or schematics, or have a knowledge of how qualcomm bootloaders work in general on the note 8 specifically. sorry if this not the right place to post, ive been aware of the forum for long, signed up when the s8 came out. I want to contribute, just never have thought saying thing here as i havnt seen anything about custom modifications so the physical parts.
Signed still haven't lost faith
vin_001 said:
Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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Okay, a bounty involves donations, which does seem more attractive to Samsung, but I'm not sure how to set up donation links, secure payment, etc.... If someone does and makes a thread, that'll be cool too.
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So to be clear, a petition shows a desire by the community to change something. Even if you got 10,000 signatures. Thats a small small slice of the pie for Samsung.
Bounties are to give individuals that may have the know how to achieve a goal, some incentive to do so via monetary compensation. I highly doubt a company like samsung or any large publicly traded company would even acknowledge a bounty and Im sure there are some legal rules against doing so. Not to mention they stand to make more money from NOT unlocking the bootloader and compromising knox than they stand to make from a bounty on xda..
If this bootloader is to ever be unlocked it will be by a team of code breakers as it took a team of coders to create this bootloader I'm sure. The bounty has to be a lot higher. Maybe there's a way of hard wiring through the eeprom and recoding the bootloader. I knew someone who did that to recode the mileage on a new odometer without going to the car dealer but I guess that's rookie stuff compared to this.
only a bounty on XDA would even make it ever so slightly possible; some talented folks have tried since day 1 without success..
petition to Samsung? now THATS funny!
They could care less about any sort of petition to make their devices less secure..
Signed,
I hope that the snapdragon variant does get an unlocked bootloader, but I would be extremely surprised if that ever happened. It is all completely under control of the US carriers as they are the driving force that causes the bootloader to remain locked. I originally had a Canadian SM-N950W and after being annoyed by how I couldn't do what I want with my own hardware that I shelled out a pretty penny for, I recently bought a SM-N950F from Amazon and sold the W. I think that's probably everyone's best way to go. Voting with your wallet is the only way to solve such problems. Although, since there is a large majority of users who have the snapdragon models who don't care to root, I don't see it making a huge difference in the long run.
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Signed,
I hope that the snapdragon variant does get an unlocked bootloader, but I would be extremely surprised if that ever happened. It is all completely under control of the US carriers as they are the driving force that causes the bootloader to remain locked. I originally had a Canadian SM-N950W and after being annoyed by how I couldn't do what I want with my own hardware that I shelled out a pretty penny for, I recently bought a SM-N950F from Amazon and sold the W. I think that's probably everyone's best way to go. Voting with your wallet is the only way to solve such problems. Although, since there is a large majority of users who have the snapdragon models who don't care to root, I don't see it making a huge difference in the long run.
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Wallet is only way to vote unfortunately. Why would they ever unlock this when the note 4 is still locked? Eol phone and they don't unlock it, reason being then you wouldn't buy the new model. This will never happen, I'm sorry.
Note 8 killed my Samsung loyalty. All previous tv's phone etc. Never again.
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Some of you know me. Most of you don't. I don't know what weight, if any, what I have to say will carry.
Nonetheless, I do hope you read this and can appreciate my point of view.
Some background.. My first Android phone was the heroc, and since I bought it eons after initial release, it was already rooted and several alternative ROMs were available, including a still maturing CM 6.x. My second Android phone was the Evo 4G, again bought some time after its release, and root and CM were already available and improving day by day. In both cases, we had phones with relatively easy to defeat bootloader protection.
HTC learned from this. They knew that a system as vulnerable as that was a fairly easy target for those that wanted to do harm. Their engineering choices for the next series of devices was pretty much set in stone: They had to protect their phones from exploitation. Hence we see the shift to eMMC and other technologies to do just that.
How did the masses respond? Well, they didn't give a crap. It was just a miniscule subset of buyers of the new Evo 3D that started *****ing and whining because they couldn't easily bypass their enhanced protection.
After a rather ugly spat of "unlock or we walk" campaigning on their Facebook wall, they promised to unlock the bootloader. A promise I am confident they will keep, if on their terms.
So that we don't lose perspective here, understand that this was a response to a VERY SMALL (albeit vocal) fraction of people that have already purchased or will eventually purchase the phone.
To rephrase: The vast majority of people that buy this phone will never even consider running anything besides what HTC officially releases as an OTA update. It won't even occur to them to do otherwise.
The current stock ROM is not perfect by any means. But then again, when has it ever been that an initial release has been perfect?
Over the course of the next few months, HTC will hopefully work out the majority of the issues (and I am confident that they will, at least from the perspective of the regular user) and, quite frankly, that SHOULD be their focus.
Cue the whining facebook posters, threatening to return their device if HTC does not make unlocking the bootloader their top priority. Hate to break it to you, but they won't, and shouldn't, do that.
You know what? I really hope you return your phones if you don't get what you want. I hope you pout and stomp your feet in the process and bahave like some self-entitled jackass as well. This isn't just about you. It's about the entire customer base, and most of them just hope you will shut the **** up. To be honest, I am one of them.
When HTC does the smart thing, and unlocks the bootloader when they are as certain as they can be that doing so won't endanger the folks that won't take advantage of it in the first place, I'll get my AOSP, and my overclocked CPU, and my tasker and my titanium backup and all the other cool things that come with a rooted phone. And I will get them when having them doesn't put everyone else at risk.
They have a lot of bugs to fix. Some of them are quite annoying. Some of them (re: temproot) are flat out dangerous.
As much as I love and support the people putting countless hours into the root process (and I am actually wondering who gets there first, HTC or the devs) given what I have seen in the dev threads, I am leaning more and more towards waiting to see what HTC comes up with, then proceeding from there. They might not admit it, but I bet the devs are secretly doing the same.
Chill out, good things are coming
I heavily disagree.
I think the mass amount of emails sent to HTC regarding the bootloaders got through to HTC. No one wants to spend endless days responding to the same question over and over so they gave us an ETA (since that's exactly what a majority if their emails consisted of, an ETA request.) This, to me, shows that HTC noticed our presence and also showed how large our comminuty really is. Dissatisfied customers = money lost.
Holy Wall of text not bothering to read that mess... But +1. To whatever point your trying to make
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Wait, temproot is dangerous? how?
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Jeremiah239 said:
Wait, temproot is dangerous? how?
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It's not. Everything is back to stock upon a reboot.
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It's not. Everything is back to stock upon a reboot.
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OK good I thought I was loosing it lol.
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I think its more so they listened because we're the kind of people who really push their phones around to other people. They constantly ask us what phones are good and such. We may be a minority but we sure do influence the other half of the consumers who don't care.
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I heavily disagree.
I think the mass amount of emails sent to HTC regarding the bootloaders got through to HTC. No one wants to spend endless days responding to the same question over and over so they gave us an ETA (since that's exactly what a majority if their emails consisted of, an ETA request.) This, to me, shows that HTC noticed our presence and also showed how large our comminuty really is. Dissatisfied customers = money lost.
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We made our point, they agreed to unlock. Do you really think continuing to harrass them is going to get it done faster?
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When HTC does the smart thing, and unlocks the bootloader when they are as certain as they can be that doing so won't endanger the folks that won't take advantage of it in the first place, I'll get my AOSP, and my overclocked CPU, and my tasker and my titanium backup and all the other cool things that come with a rooted phone. And I will get them when having them doesn't put everyone else at risk.
Chill out, good things are coming
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I'm not disagreeing with you or mean this in a condescending way, I'm just wondering because I'm curious. How would this put people at risk/danger?
CyWhitfield said:
We made our point, they agreed to unlock. Do you really think continuing to harrass them is going to get it done faster?
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My statement stands prior to the minorities bombarding their walls now. They've responded and have given an ETA. Anyone that wants to try to push them into releasing quicker, they should just understand it's the best option for now until Sprint releases the SGSII (which probably wont even be until next year.) So just stick with it and hang in there.
I will say I'd prefer it sooner but I think their ETA was made to be the latest date they could prolong the issue.
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Wait, temproot is dangerous? how?
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As we use it its not. That it can be done means there is an exploit that might be used for more nefarious purposes. Read the posts on it, they have reported it to HTC as such.
Overstew said:
I heavily disagree.
I think the mass amount of emails sent to HTC regarding the bootloaders got through to HTC. No one wants to spend endless days responding to the same question over and over so they gave us an ETA (since that's exactly what a majority if their emails consisted of, an ETA request.) This, to me, shows that HTC noticed our presence and also showed how large our comminuty really is. Dissatisfied customers = money lost.
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you also completely missed the point.
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It's not. Everything is back to stock upon a reboot.
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The nature of the exploit is indeed dangerous, and exploitable - hence having it in the first place.
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The nature of the exploit is indeed dangerous, and exploitable - hence having it in the first place.
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Yes, the exploit can be malicious in the wrong hands, but you stated temproot in the OP, which was misleading. I've read your OP and I've commented on it. I just want to ask, if we make up such a minority of unhappy buyers, then why do they find the need to put s-off in the first place?
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I'm not disagreeing with you or mean this in a condescending way, I'm just wondering because I'm curious. How would this put people at risk/danger?
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the exploit that gives us temp root is dangerous enough that those that discovered it have reported it to HTC.
Ranger093 said:
I think its more so they listened because we're the kind of people who really push their phones around to other people. They constantly ask us what phones are good and such. We may be a minority but we sure do influence the other half of the consumers who don't care.
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Not really, but if it makes you feel better to think otherwise, who am I to shatter that belief.
I agree With the Op
Don't get me wrong I haven't run a stock phones for a while... Windows mobile now android
But, I agree. Things always get done, it was going to get unlocked and indoor think some people got a little out of hand with the crying
Anyways, I'll wait till we get s-off to start my fun.. In the mean time I have other things to have fun with
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Yes, the exploit can be malicious in the wrong hands, but you stated temproot in the OP, which was misleading. I've read your OP and I've commented on it. I just want to ask, if we make up such a minority of unhappy buyers, then why do they find the need to put s-off in the first place?
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Its not misleading. the exploit is dangerous and will likely be fixed soon.
You assume they are giving us S-Off, which in the vernacular of what the 3vo is just doesnt make sense anyway. This isnt as simple as that.
They are probably going to make it so we can write to /system. I do not envision a scenario where we get the equivalent of S-Off, but I also dont see where they have to. this isnt the 4g.
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I agree With the Op
Don't get me wrong I haven't run a stock phones for a while... Windows mobile now android
But, I agree. Things always get done, it was going to get unlocked and indoor think some people got a little out of hand with the crying
Anyways, I'll wait till we get s-off to start my fun.. In the mean time I have other things to have fun with
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Its not that I think they wont get it done, but hammering them about it is getting old. I think they got our message long ago. Its going to happen. I dont see how hammering them relentlessly will get it done any faster.
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Some of you know me. Most of you don't. I don't know what weight, if any, what I have to say will carry.
<lots of useless nonsense/>
Chill out, good things are coming
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Just saw this update across Facebook from HTC:
Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon. Thank you for your interest, support and willingness to share your feedback.
**UPDATE**
We’ve listened. Check out the statement from our CEO, Peter Chou on HTC bootloaders. Click the link for more info. http://on.fb.me/iZXgkR
**UPDATE 7/10**
We wanted to provide an update on HTC’s progress with bringing bootloader unlocking to our newest phones. We know how excited some of you are for this capability, and we’ve put significant resources behind making this change as soon as possible. While we wish we could flip a simple switch and unlock all bootloaders across our device portfolio, this is actually a complex challenge that requires a new software build and extensive testing to deliver the best possible customer experience.
We’re thrilled to announce today that software updates to support bootloader unlocking will begin rolling out in August for the global HTC Sensation, followed by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile USA and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. We’re in the testing phase for the unlocking capability now, and we expect it to be fully operational by early September for devices that have received the software updates. We'll continue rolling out the unlocking capability over time to other devices as part of maintenance releases and new shipments.
HTC continues its commitment to unlocking bootloaders and supporting the developer community. Because of the importance of this community to us, please expect an update on this about every few weeks as we make progress toward launch. Thank you for your patience and continued support!
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So I think basically that means they ARE making it a top priority, and it makes your rant irrelevant.
Stop bothering us, we're working on it that's all you really need to know. Just relax and enjoy the tablet itself. Ok? We're not your personal servants, we're just regular people with other things in our lives going on than just developing. Basically, GET THE HELL OFF OUR BACKS. Kthx.
Thanks to you, and all the dev's who devote your time and effort then share to all the masses. Wish some people would get that and be a little grateful at the very least. If you guys ever need a tester let me know otherwise you will see my thanks button clicked as many times as I can.
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Stop bothering us, we're working on it that's all you really need to know. Just relax and enjoy the tablet itself. Ok? We're not your personal servants, we're just regular people with other things in our lives going on than just developing. Basically, GET THE HELL OFF OUR BACKS. Kthx.
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So... what your really saying is, its not done yet today? ok, will check back with you in 5 minutes. Kthnx! ;P
Indirect, +1.
Albert you silly little troll. ^_^
Indirect said:
Stop bothering us, we're working on it that's all you really need to know. Just relax and enjoy the tablet itself. Ok? We're not your personal servants, we're just regular people with other things in our lives going on than just developing. Basically, GET THE HELL OFF OUR BACKS. Kthx.
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No one is on YOUR back. If you don't want the 400$ then don't mess with it period. Neither you nor any other dev has the right to tell me what to do with my tablet. If i want a unlocked bootloader in the next seven days then I have the right to ask for it period.
Please dont participate by any means
What he is saying is that YOU aren't doing it. Begging for bootloader unlocks and offering money won't get it done any quicker. The people developing / hacking this device do it because they want to, not for money. By asking for it to be done you are asking the developers, and Indirect is one.
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No one is on YOUR back. If you don't want the 400$ then don't mess with it period. Neither you nor any other dev has the right to tell me what to do with my tablet. If i want a unlocked bootloader in the next seven days then I have the right to ask for it period.
Please dont participate by any means
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What you're offering amounts to minimum wage if you consider the person works on it for 8 hours a day for the next 7 days. On top of that, you are rude and have a strong sense of self entitlement. The developers do it out of personal self interest. Any other incentives are just icing on the cake.
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No one is on YOUR back. If you don't want the 400$ then don't mess with it period. Neither you nor any other dev has the right to tell me what to do with my tablet. If i want a unlocked bootloader in the next seven days then I have the right to ask for it period.
Please dont participate by any means
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Please just return your nt and stop posting.
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What he is saying is that YOU aren't doing it. Begging for bootloader unlocks and offering money won't get it done any quicker. The people developing / hacking this device do it because they want to, not for money. By asking for it to be done you are asking the developers, and Indirect is one.
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There are likely many people working on this and there are probably more than the vocal few here or associated with this site. I think some people can appreciate the work being done while also knowing that those telling others about progress and status aren't the only ones doing some work on this device which is why the OP just threw an offer out.
There also seem to be a great number of people blindly following people just due to words they say, and as they say, talk is cheap. Excitement is one thing but it wouldn't hurt to know what they are getting excited about sometimes.
Personally I've been using Linux or *nix based operating system daily for 10 years and it's just a little bit disappointing sometimes to see a general lack of knowledge related to Linux when it comes to some pretty basic things that relate to Android and getting anywhere with it from "hacking". And I literally am just a user and absolutely do not write code, just copy and paste it about when there are things to fix at the very extreme. The solution here without getting "the key" is going to come from someone writing the code to make it work and maybe $400 or $500 or beyond will bring a person to spend some time on it where they normally wouldn't.
Another point, if he has the 400 to offer and the 250 to spend on it, why not just buy a full on android tablet?
All I can say is thanks for making my NT usable in the first place! Without the sideloading/root ability it would be practically useless. Devs adding even more function would just be icing on the cake, so no sweat.
Just to set the record straight, you're only hearing from the impatient vocal ones. There's a lot more of us sitting quietly on the sidelines cheering you guys on.
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Just to set the record straight, you're only hearing from the impatient vocal ones. There's a lot more of us sitting quietly on the sidelines cheering you guys on.
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Ditto , now back to my popcorn.
Number one rule of android- do not ask for ETA's!
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What he is saying is that YOU aren't doing it. Begging for bootloader unlocks and offering money won't get it done any quicker. The people developing / hacking this device do it because they want to, not for money. By asking for it to be done you are asking the developers, and Indirect is one.
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LOL I am begging for a bootloader unlock? How about I am trying to get more than ONE developer working on the Nook Tablet. You do realize we had 30+ on the Nook Color right?
Your comments are flaming and just down right wrong. Look up the definition of begging in the dictionary and I promise you won't find offering to pay someone to do a job in the definition.
I love how you think EVERY dev is only here for fun, which is complete BS. Probably 50% of devs are here to develop for THEMSELVES, and just release to the public because they are good people. Then another 40% do it for cash, and then you have the 10% who do it just because they are bored. All I am offering is someone besides the 1 dev we have to look at the problem, and if they break it give them a reward.
Like I said in the post if you don't want to try, then don't. No one is holding a gun to your head.
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Another point, if he has the 400 to offer and the 250 to spend on it, why not just buy a full on android tablet?
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I have 300$ wrapped up in my nook tablet, and it has to be returned by next monday. Once I pay shipping back then spend hours researching a new tablet I will easily have more than 400$ in it.
I loved the nook color, and I bought the Nook Tablet because I was told by 2 different BN employees that it was unlocked (before we had any devs).
My returning the NT because I was lied to is my choice, period.
Like I said if you don't want to participate in the reward, then DON'T.
But my guess is, if you broke the bootloader u would be loudly demanding the reward, as would Indirect and everyone else who is complaining.
I am not flaming. You are requesting a bootloader unlock way too soon. These things take time. Why not just return it, then wait for a bootloader unlock to come out, then buy it again? Or just buy a full out android tablet?
Wow. So 12 posts, $400 bucks and you own the joint.
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Wow. So 12 posts, $400 bucks and you own the joint.
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Wow. So 13 posts, no cash and you own the right to do... well nothing.
Like I said people amaze me. Try to help them and all they do is complain.
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I am not flaming. You are requesting a bootloader unlock way too soon. These things take time. Why not just return it, then wait for a bootloader unlock to come out, then buy it again? Or just buy a full out android tablet?
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I very well may do that, but would rather not go to the hassle of packaging it back up and shipping it back to BN and dealing with that whole mess. Then spending hours research which other tablet I want to buy. I loved the NC and the NT has the potential in doing the same. We need devs here first and foremost and none are going to come without incentive.
For me I want try and get some more devs to the NT so we have a chance at a decent device. One dev isn't going to make it that and having a locked bootloader will make sure no others come if there isn't an incentive. If you don't believe me about the devs go check out the Droid Bionic. Killer hardware, locked bootloader, out for several months and a total of 3 devs whose hands are tide because of the crappy kernel
Return the NT and leave a comment to the CTO of BN telling them they have a crappy product with a locked bootloader. Complaining on Xda will get you nowhere. You could employ your own personal dev to unlock the bootloader, but don't use money to entice devs Xda members. EOS.
This is just sad!!!
LG makes awesome devices, the G2 is one of the best devices available now, great hardware, great screen yet no devs or users buy it. I know its like the chicken and the egg, but still, its wired not a lot of people buy it.
HTC has S-OFF and locked bootloader, Samsung also has now that stup!d KNOX, Sony and Moto makes pretty bad devices, why devs don't develop for LG devices?!?! Why?!?!
Because no one has unlocked the G2 bootloader.
Also, it is not a popular phone.
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Because no one has unlocked the G2 bootloader.
Also, it is not a popular phone.
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I'm talking about LG in general. The Optimus G doesn't have a lot of roms.
Their phones are not popular, but they are awesome phones!
This thread was with rhetorical questions, I know this is the situation and all that, I wanted to create a discussion about this subject
Is there anyone actively looking for exploits in our bootloader?
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I do think I heard some people on the G2 IRC (freenode #lg-g2) are attempting, but I am not certain if this is true.
Anyhoo, no progress has been made currently.
Ha... because its been out for just over a week. AND in the first week we already have root.
Jeeeeeeeesh!
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Ha... because its been out for just over a week. AND in the first week we already have root.
Jeeeeeeeesh!
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Go Bucks!!!!
Everyone that's demanding development/boot loader unlock...first its only been a week since the phone was released...what did you expect every dev to go out and buy a g2...next why don't you go try to learn all the complexities that are involved in the process...just cause there's no news been made public doesn't mean things aren't being worked on. The appropriate individuals will say something when the time is right..whenever the exploit/exploits are done is when they're done...don't rush our devs, make stupid posts, and pointless threads as that will just piss some of them off...that being said things are in the works, just be patient.
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Speaking of the bootloader, is there a button combo that can be used to access it? Or is there no such option on this phone. This is my first LG device so I'm feeling a bit like a fish out of water.
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diagf from a UM fan
I suspect that Development will come once ppl realize the Note 3 is gonna be locked down pretty hard (might take as long as the first OTA to kill any exploits like the S4). Just give it time.. VZN ppl will want a Nexus 5 like device and the LG G2 will be the closest thing hardware wise to it. Just don't expect crazy dev like a flagship Samsung device or the Moto X but there should be some in the near future.
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diagf from a UM fan
I suspect that Development will come once ppl realize the Note 3 is gonna be locked down pretty hard (might take as long as the first OTA to kill any exploits like the S4). Just give it time.. VZN ppl will want a Nexus 5 like device and the LG G2 will be the closest thing hardware wise to it. Just don't expect crazy dev like a flagship Samsung device or the Moto X but there should be some in the near future.
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+1. If nobody knew any better they would believe it was a Nexus 5 just from looking at screen, and the LG emblem. Oh yeah, the N5 is shipping with the same hardware...hmm um Verizon LG N5 *cough cough G2*. Development will come and when it does just root. CM. And Verizon N5 . Clearly LG is learning from their Google Nexus 4 and thats what we see in the G2, lets see the difference when the N5 comes out i bet they will be virtually identical, aesthetics and hardware wise, obviously not the software.
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Speaking of the bootloader, is there a button combo that can be used to access it? Or is there no such option on this phone. This is my first LG device so I'm feeling a bit like a fish out of water.
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The closest I know, and I dont think it's bootloader, is Volume up and plugging in USB. It brings up a download/firmware upgrade screen, which is also where you can see the Rooted boot flag displayed.
There mere fact that we have root (AND got rid of carrier ID) is indicative that development is happening.
Be patient folks
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The closest I know, and I dont think it's bootloader, is Volume up and plugging in USB. It brings up a download/firmware upgrade screen, which is also where you can see the Rooted boot flag displayed.
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Yeah that's all I've found so far too. Well that and I did stumble on our hidden diagnostics screen. (##228378 in dialer). There is a field test mode there. Doubt it'll come into play for anything but never know I guess.
You know why there's no one developing on LG phones? Because people $hitting on LG phones like it's their job. Just look at the new arstechnica review of the G2. They made it sound like it's the worst phone ever made.
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Everyone that's demanding development/boot loader unlock...first its only been a week since the phone was released...what did you expect every dev to go out and buy a g2...next why don't you go try to learn all the complexities that are involved in the process...just cause there's no news been made public doesn't mean things aren't being worked on. The appropriate individuals will say something when the time is right..whenever the exploit/exploits are done is when they're done...don't rush our devs, make stupid posts, and pointless threads as that will just piss some of them off...that being said things are in the works, just be patient.
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I don't think he was 'rushing' the devs.. Just asking why there's not much development on LG devices. But yeah, its only been out for a week, and it does seem like an awesome phone. It already has root, just give it time.
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You know why there's no one developing on LG phones? Because people $hitting on LG phones like it's their job. Just look at the new arstechnica review of the G2. They made it sound like it's the worst phone ever made.
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The Samsung fanboy is strong in that one. He completely blew things out of proportion, like come on, a font bug?! Then he left out how the camera was, just pointing out he got a bad auto image once. Then you read the S4 review and its like God handed it to him himself
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You know why there's no one developing on LG phones? Because people $hitting on LG phones like it's their job. Just look at the new arstechnica review of the G2. They made it sound like it's the worst phone ever made.
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The Samsung fanboy is strong in that one. He completely blew things out of proportion, like come on, a font bug?! Then he left out how the camera was, just pointing out he got a bad auto image once. Then you read the S4 review and its like God handed it to him himself
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At least some ppl are keeping him honest :good:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1mkkho/review_lgs_g2_smartphone_gets_caught_living_in/
I hate to bust people's bubble but I've been around Android and its development community (XDA) a long time and from my experience I'm going to say once a phone lacks any development at the beginning, it usually stays that way to the bitter end. Development won't magically just pick up.
It's just an unfortunate part of being in a crowded phone market with HTC, Samsung and even Sony. Developers rather develop for the more popular headsets and the LG will be on the outside looking in.
I'm not going to sugar coat this, if you bought this phone for development I suggest you return it while you have a return window, cause development....it's not going to happen.
If you fell in love with the G2 phone I suggest you wait for the Nexus version of it and then you're going to have a real development community.
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I hate to bust people's bubble but I've been around Android and its development community (XDA) a long time and from my experience I'm going to say once a phone lacks any development at the beginning, it usually stays that way to the bitter end. Development won't magically just pick up.
It's just an unfortunate part of being in a crowded phone market with HTC, Samsung and even Sony. Developers rather develop for the more popular headsets and the LG will be on the outside looking in.
I'm not going to sugar coat this, if you bought this phone for development I suggest you return it while you have a return window, cause development....it's not going to happen.
If you fell in love with the G2 phone I suggest you wait for the Nexus version of it and then you're going to have a real development community.
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John Snow, I didnt know you had a computer in the North? There are several developers who are trying/finding the best way to unlock the bootloader, what exactly did you expect the developers to do within a week without an unlocked bootloader? Yes, some developers go for only the big devices, and guess what, this is one. You seem to know nothing about anything around here, so dont go spreading lies.
Okay,
So I can start cracking, this might take months or years, idk, but its worth a shot.
If I do crack it, Ill get 80% of that nice fat bounty
Whoever patches it gets 20% of that nice fat bounty
So first ill need, the rsa certificate/key (doesnt matter) that verifies aboot.mbn, or if you can, sbl1.mbn (stored in PBL, so prob not unless u can dump it)
Next Ill need the signature u want me to crack (for sb1.mbn, u cant miss the 256 bytes). This is so I can verify it if I do get it cracked)
Finally, the offset of where to sign.
And thats all
Also, if u patch it, I sign it, and u test it, because i have no verizon, nor a Galaxy Note 3.
There, thxs!
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Okay,
So I can start cracking, this might take months or years, idk, but its worth a shot.
If I do crack it, Ill get 80% of that nice fat bounty
Whoever patches it gets 20% of that nice fat bounty
So first ill need, the rsa certificate/key (doesnt matter) that verifies aboot.mbn, or if you can, sbl1.mbn (stored in PBL, so prob not unless u can dump it)
Next Ill need the signature u want me to crack (for sb1.mbn, u cant miss the 256 bytes). This is so I can verify it if I do get it cracked)
Finally, the offset of where to sign.
And thats all
Also, if u patch it, I sign it, and u test it, because i have no verizon, nor a Galaxy Note 3.
There, thxs!
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Contact beans, he's lurking somewhere around here. Just keep in mind, if you are able to unlock this device. You'll be able to port it to the note 2, s4, and s4 = ton of money. The bounty for each carrier is insane.
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Buy the developer edition boom done
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I bought the dev edition. Maybe when i get it you can compare the two firmwares, if possible, to see whats different
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@beanstown106 you know anything about this?
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Not really could prob find what's needed though but isn't this basically brute forcing the RSA key? Can't that take like thousands of years lol?
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Probably better off tracking down some of the Samsung development leads, get to know them. shower them in gifts such as booze,drugs and women. and see if they will open the door.
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Not really could prob find what's needed though but isn't this basically brute forcing the RSA key? Can't that take like thousands of years lol?
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Thanks for your reply,
It depends so that's why its worth a shot.
If you can, plz post the certificate and signature.
Thanks in advanced,
tcf38012
Good luck to you! How awesome it would be to have a 14 year old kid crack the bootloader!
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Good luck to you! How awesome it would be to have a 14 year old kid crack the bootloader!
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15 now xD
can you provide instructions how to locate and extract the requested files your looking for? I'm no dev and need a little help
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-1#Attacks
While your effort is admirable, I don't think you guys (respectfully) understand the technical limitations of why this isn't realistic. You see, SHA-1 is a one-way process. You can't 'decrypt' it per se, but you can find collisions, which is a string that would have the same hash. This is highly unlikely in the next 50 generations of your families. Even with entire universities of computing power, it would take hundreds of thousands of years to complete. This isn't one of those things where you 'just get lucky' and get it. Even if we had a working collision, it's more complicated than just 'plugging' it in. Your efforts would better be served letting Samsung and Verizon what you think.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-1#Attacks
While your effort is admirable, I don't think you guys (respectfully) understand the technical limitations of why this isn't realistic. You see, SHA-1 is a one-way process. You can't 'decrypt' it per se, but you can find collisions, which is a string that would have the same hash. This is highly unlikely in the next 50 generations of your families. Even with entire universities of computing power, it would take hundreds of thousands of years to complete. This isn't one of those things where you 'just get lucky' and get it. Even if we had a working collision, it's more complicated than just 'plugging' it in. Your efforts would better be served letting Samsung and Verizon what you think.
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I wanted to say something similar, but was afraid to sound like a jerk lol
*break*
seriously wish you guys all the luck, and much respect for even doing this undertaking.
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I wanted to say something similar, but was afraid to sound like a jerk lol
*break*
seriously wish you guys all the luck, and much respect for even doing this undertaking.
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As of 2012, the most efficient attack against SHA-1 is considered to be the one by Marc Stevens[30] with an estimated cost of $2.77M to break a single hash value by renting CPU power from cloud servers.[31] Stevens developed this attack in a project called HashClash,[32] implementing a differential path attack. On 8 November 2010, he claimed he had a fully working near-collision attack against full SHA-1 working with an estimated complexity equivalent to 257.5 SHA-1 compressions. He estimates this attack can be extended to a full collision with a complexity around 261.
Anyone willing to donate an extremely large amount of money towards this?
I wonder if someone more clever than I could devise a way to make a XDA-developers cloud supercomputing program. Forums members could opt in to help with the processing load... No idea of the scales involved or the logistics, simply brainstorming.
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I wonder if someone more clever than I could devise a way to make a XDA-developers cloud supercomputing program. Forums members could opt in to help with the processing load... No idea of the scales involved or the logistics, simply brainstorming.
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All for one phone? Your all better getting the dev edition.
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All for one phone? Your all better getting the dev edition.
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I agree. Tracking says it'll be here Tuesday.
I'm talking longer term - we start punching holes in their supposedly bulletproof bootloaders and perhaps they will be forced to reconsider. Just an idea, no idea if it is feasible or not.
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I agree. Tracking says it'll be here Tuesday.
I'm talking longer term - we start punching holes in their supposedly bulletproof bootloaders and perhaps they will be forced to reconsider. Just an idea, no idea if it is feasible or not.
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Yeah mine should be here tomorrow. I feel they'll just keep patching it though even more. Verizon is very locked on locking bootloaders.
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I just got done reading the 1+1 vs HAM2 and it confirmed that the screen size and resolution and specs is solid deal with this phone. I am coming from a SGH-i727.
But I am still worried about the longevity of the HAM2 and it's community. I fear we won't get any roms or only a few will come and that will be it and then it will die off. Am I wrong for believing this? It's been almost a year since this device was release and Huawei hasn't release anything and we only have one really good developer working on Kitkat, good bless you. But other than that, that's it.
Carrier wise, I don't see much for Byo Wireless and this device, but I assume it will work because they are based on verizon's network and that's supported with them. I am currently on At&t but I will probably be leaving for the above mentioned carrier. Has anyone used them before with this phone?
The large screen, unlocked phone, and a great community with lots of roms is a big deal to me. Is the HAM2 the right choice for me? Thanks for all future replies.
I own both 1+1 64 GB and HAM MT2L03. Both the devices are fabulous in their class and honestly I will not be able to pick one over the other.
For battery life, HAM beats OPO hands down. So if that is important, go for it.
On all other areas they are close contenders. I have the same apps loaded on both and they run as well as each other. Of course. Opo has more ram and a faster CPU.
The stock email app on HAM is very basic. OPO has the kitkat version which supports swipe to delete etc. and I prefer that version.
Other than the stock email app downside, HAM has upsides in terms of great power mgmt app built in and phone cache cleaner etc. that are so best in class.
I find these more important than the Android version on HAM. So while it would be nice to get lollipop sometime, the phone is very much functional without it. Go ahead and get one!
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Thank you for taking the time to reply to my thread. I am just worried we won't get any custom roms at all, but dang, HAM2 seems so amazing. The screen size alone is one of the best features of this extremely mid-range phone. The battery life is really nice as well. This means a lot coming from someone that owns GS2, which eats up batteries for snacks.
Where would you recommend getting one? I think, Amazon is the best best. I haven't read great things about WalMarts' or Targets' cheaper version.
http://www.amazon.com/Huawei-Mate-Factory-Unlocked-Black/dp/B00JPIAGW0/ref=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t
We've got a few developers working on bringing KK and L to our phone. Huawei has said we will get a Huawei version of Lollipop, though that is still yet to come. If it ever will. We also have another developer who brought TWRP to our phone, and our phone is even officially supported by them.
It's not much, but it's still much better than where we were a few months ago. It can only get better. :good:
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We've got a few developers working on bringing KK and L to our phone. Huawei has said we will get a Huawei version of Lollipop, though that is still yet to come. If it ever will. We also have another developer who brought TWRP to our phone, and our phone is even officially supported by them.
It's not much, but it's still much better than where we were a few months ago. It can only get better. :good:
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I talked to one of Huawei's customer care workers yesterday about the release date for Lollipop update. As usual he didn't commit himself. He said first half of 2015! At least they haven't reneged on their promise.
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I talked to one of Huawei's customer care workers yesterday about the release date for Lollipop update. As usual he didn't commit himself. He said first half of 2015! At least they haven't reneged on their promise.
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Well we're already almost halfway through the "first half of 2015". Hopefully we get some news soon.
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I have already bought the phone and a case, because of everyone's great advice. I may get another cxase though. But I have no faith in Huawei's support team getting us our updates. We were suppose to get KK and that never came even though they made the promise when the phone was release. Our awesome devs will come through though! Do you have their G+ or other social media outlets?
We should pool together to support their time and effort. We could do this by a new thread and gathering important information and support for them and linking to their paypale. I believe this within the forum's rules as individuals can leave a donate link at the end of their postings. It will help out the whole Ham2 community. What is everyone's thoughts on this idea?
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We should pool together to support their time and effort. We could do this by a new thread and gathering important information and support for them and linking to their paypal. I believe this within the forum's rules as individuals can leave a donate link at the end of their postings. It will help out the whole Ham2 community. What is everyone's thoughts on this idea?
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This is the developer's G+ page [https://plus.google.com/app/basic/+TomMarshall/]. He has explicitly stated that his work is courtesy of cyanogen, so he doesn't take donations.
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This is the developer's G+ page [https://plus.google.com/app/basic/+TomMarshall/]. He has explicitly stated that his work is courtesy of cyanogen, so he doesn't take donations.
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I wanted to donate Google Play credit or something like that but it turns out they don't do that.
He deserves it though! Throw us amazon wish page or something similar. Haha! Without this development, our devices might be, and probably will be left behind!
Well to be frank I would have a lot of fun developing for this phone but I haven't found a hack successful at unlocking the bootloader for this device and support from Huawei has been an epic fail so my wife and daughter uses it more than I do :-/
Well bear in mind that it's still the Spring Festival over in China now. I wouldn't expect much until that's over. Try getting the boot unlock code after that and you might have better luck!
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