Okay,
So I can start cracking, this might take months or years, idk, but its worth a shot.
If I do crack it, Ill get 80% of that nice fat bounty
Whoever patches it gets 20% of that nice fat bounty
So first ill need, the rsa certificate/key (doesnt matter) that verifies aboot.mbn, or if you can, sbl1.mbn (stored in PBL, so prob not unless u can dump it)
Next Ill need the signature u want me to crack (for sb1.mbn, u cant miss the 256 bytes). This is so I can verify it if I do get it cracked)
Finally, the offset of where to sign.
And thats all
Also, if u patch it, I sign it, and u test it, because i have no verizon, nor a Galaxy Note 3.
There, thxs!
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Okay,
So I can start cracking, this might take months or years, idk, but its worth a shot.
If I do crack it, Ill get 80% of that nice fat bounty
Whoever patches it gets 20% of that nice fat bounty
So first ill need, the rsa certificate/key (doesnt matter) that verifies aboot.mbn, or if you can, sbl1.mbn (stored in PBL, so prob not unless u can dump it)
Next Ill need the signature u want me to crack (for sb1.mbn, u cant miss the 256 bytes). This is so I can verify it if I do get it cracked)
Finally, the offset of where to sign.
And thats all
Also, if u patch it, I sign it, and u test it, because i have no verizon, nor a Galaxy Note 3.
There, thxs!
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Contact beans, he's lurking somewhere around here. Just keep in mind, if you are able to unlock this device. You'll be able to port it to the note 2, s4, and s4 = ton of money. The bounty for each carrier is insane.
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Buy the developer edition boom done
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I bought the dev edition. Maybe when i get it you can compare the two firmwares, if possible, to see whats different
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@beanstown106 you know anything about this?
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Not really could prob find what's needed though but isn't this basically brute forcing the RSA key? Can't that take like thousands of years lol?
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Probably better off tracking down some of the Samsung development leads, get to know them. shower them in gifts such as booze,drugs and women. and see if they will open the door.
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Not really could prob find what's needed though but isn't this basically brute forcing the RSA key? Can't that take like thousands of years lol?
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Thanks for your reply,
It depends so that's why its worth a shot.
If you can, plz post the certificate and signature.
Thanks in advanced,
tcf38012
Good luck to you! How awesome it would be to have a 14 year old kid crack the bootloader!
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Good luck to you! How awesome it would be to have a 14 year old kid crack the bootloader!
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15 now xD
can you provide instructions how to locate and extract the requested files your looking for? I'm no dev and need a little help
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-1#Attacks
While your effort is admirable, I don't think you guys (respectfully) understand the technical limitations of why this isn't realistic. You see, SHA-1 is a one-way process. You can't 'decrypt' it per se, but you can find collisions, which is a string that would have the same hash. This is highly unlikely in the next 50 generations of your families. Even with entire universities of computing power, it would take hundreds of thousands of years to complete. This isn't one of those things where you 'just get lucky' and get it. Even if we had a working collision, it's more complicated than just 'plugging' it in. Your efforts would better be served letting Samsung and Verizon what you think.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-1#Attacks
While your effort is admirable, I don't think you guys (respectfully) understand the technical limitations of why this isn't realistic. You see, SHA-1 is a one-way process. You can't 'decrypt' it per se, but you can find collisions, which is a string that would have the same hash. This is highly unlikely in the next 50 generations of your families. Even with entire universities of computing power, it would take hundreds of thousands of years to complete. This isn't one of those things where you 'just get lucky' and get it. Even if we had a working collision, it's more complicated than just 'plugging' it in. Your efforts would better be served letting Samsung and Verizon what you think.
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I wanted to say something similar, but was afraid to sound like a jerk lol
*break*
seriously wish you guys all the luck, and much respect for even doing this undertaking.
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I wanted to say something similar, but was afraid to sound like a jerk lol
*break*
seriously wish you guys all the luck, and much respect for even doing this undertaking.
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As of 2012, the most efficient attack against SHA-1 is considered to be the one by Marc Stevens[30] with an estimated cost of $2.77M to break a single hash value by renting CPU power from cloud servers.[31] Stevens developed this attack in a project called HashClash,[32] implementing a differential path attack. On 8 November 2010, he claimed he had a fully working near-collision attack against full SHA-1 working with an estimated complexity equivalent to 257.5 SHA-1 compressions. He estimates this attack can be extended to a full collision with a complexity around 261.
Anyone willing to donate an extremely large amount of money towards this?
I wonder if someone more clever than I could devise a way to make a XDA-developers cloud supercomputing program. Forums members could opt in to help with the processing load... No idea of the scales involved or the logistics, simply brainstorming.
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I wonder if someone more clever than I could devise a way to make a XDA-developers cloud supercomputing program. Forums members could opt in to help with the processing load... No idea of the scales involved or the logistics, simply brainstorming.
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All for one phone? Your all better getting the dev edition.
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All for one phone? Your all better getting the dev edition.
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I agree. Tracking says it'll be here Tuesday.
I'm talking longer term - we start punching holes in their supposedly bulletproof bootloaders and perhaps they will be forced to reconsider. Just an idea, no idea if it is feasible or not.
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I agree. Tracking says it'll be here Tuesday.
I'm talking longer term - we start punching holes in their supposedly bulletproof bootloaders and perhaps they will be forced to reconsider. Just an idea, no idea if it is feasible or not.
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Yeah mine should be here tomorrow. I feel they'll just keep patching it though even more. Verizon is very locked on locking bootloaders.
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ok, since we bombarded them over the source releases, I think in all decentcy we should return to say thanks. It's easy to picket and raise hell, so we should at least go clap our hands, they could of easily given us the big finger.
What is it i'm thanking them for again?
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ok, since we bombarded them over the source releases, I think in all decentcy we should return to say thanks. It's easy to picket and raise hell, so we should at least go clap our hands, they could of easily given us the big finger.
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At first I read this and agreed 100%. Then as I gave it more thought I realized that would be like a teacher thanking their student for doing their homework or you thanking your mechanic for fixing your car...that's what they are supposed to do...legally required to do (lets not start that whole 'GPL wiggle room' meme again)...and they did it late.
I'm glad they did, I'm not sure if the facebook assault had anything to do with it, but I'm not sure they deserve a thank you for doing what they are required to do.
Just checked and my phone still says no updates available.
Done!
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Just checked and my phone still says no updates available.
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Apparently you don't know what 'Source' is...
This doesn't mean they have an update for you to download, it means that they released a copy of their kernel.
They only release the source because they are required too not because we asked them. If that was the case well you know the story.
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Apparently you don't know what 'Source' is...
This doesn't mean they have an update for you to download, it means that they released a copy of their kernel.
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Apparently not, na just didn't read all the words.. still
Not only that, they released the wrong kernel source. They f'ed up
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Lol! I totally thank my mechanic when he fixes my car. You thank people when they do things that you appreciate regardless of whether or not its something you're paying them to do. Its Just plain good taste. But yeah, I agree with the OP. Whenever anyone opens their source its a good tying. It allows endeavors like the XDA community to keep on deving.
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The simple fact is, they didn't have to do anything. Do you honestly believe we have rights as consumers? I mean really? Do I feel I owed them a thank you?, no. Is it a decent thing to do after the fact?,yes. They gave it to us sooner rather then later, or even at all for that matter. Human decentcy is a funny thing lately in this country, but whatever.
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Lol! I totally thank my mechanic when he fixes my car. You thank people when they do things that you appreciate regardless of whether or not its something you're paying them to do. Its Just plain good taste. But yeah, I agree with the OP. Whenever anyone opens their source its a good tying. It allows endeavors like the XDA community to keep on deving.
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The simple fact is, they didn't have to do anything. Do you honestly believe we have rights as consumers? I mean really? Do I feel I owed them a thank you?, no. Is it a decent thing to do after the fact?,yes. They gave it to us sooner rather then later, or even at all for that matter. Human decentcy is a funny thing lately in this country, but whatever.
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I build ROMs and Skins and can't even get people to hit a simple "Thanks" button so you don't have to preach to me about it. Not that you are your just making a statement. I have no problem giving thanks, but I never *****ed about the source in the first place. I only *****ed about the other thing.
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The simple fact is, they didn't have to do anything. Do you honestly believe we have rights as consumers? I mean really? Do I feel I owed them a thank you?, no. Is it a decent thing to do after the fact?,yes. They gave it to us sooner rather then later, or even at all for that matter. Human decentcy is a funny thing lately in this country, but whatever.
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Back down there sparky...I believe I phrased my reply to indicate that I was indeed on the fence with the idea. I'm not laboring over my decision but I want to give it thought. The kernel source is subject to the rules of the GPL. They paid nothing for it and only have to abide by the rules of the license. One of those rules is that the source code must be made available (within a certain amount of time? I keep hearing 30 days but I'm not so sure).
I guess I just used poor analogies. You don't thank someone for not robbing your house...do you?
That said, in the name of fairness (and human decency...towards a corporation that has already demonstrated a desire to screw us as much as we will allow?) I'm still considering my stance.
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The simple fact is, they didn't have to do anything. Do you honestly believe we have rights as consumers? I mean really? Do I feel I owed them a thank you?, no. Is it a decent thing to do after the fact?,yes. They gave it to us sooner rather then later, or even at all for that matter. Human decentcy is a funny thing lately in this country, but whatever.
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and 10 char.
PuNkShoO said:
Lol! I totally thank my mechanic when he fixes my car. You thank people when they do things that you appreciate regardless of whether or not its something you're paying them to do. Its Just plain good taste. But yeah, I agree with the OP. Whenever anyone opens their source its a good tying. It allows endeavors like the XDA community to keep on deving.
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zone23 said:
I build ROMs and Skins and can't even get people to hit a simple "Thanks" button so you don't have to preach to me about it. Not that you are your just making a statement. I have no problem giving thanks, but I never *****ed about the source in the first place. I only *****ed about the other thing.
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I appreciate all the work that is done here, and I'm sorry that I cant contribute to that work. I wasn't calling out everybody here, most people didnt hit their page, but those of us that did, I felt a simple thanks would be good in the long term future. You know, maybe the evo3, instead of them being like **** those guys that spammed us last year and never came back, they may be like, hey lets get them the goods again, all the thanks looked good on our fb page. Social networking has given us power, much more than the old 800 number, simply because all complaints and gratitudes are in the public view of the world. Plus as a species thats struggling, again, simple decentcy is refreshing, and whats wrong with that?
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Back down there sparky...I believe I phrased my reply to indicate that I was indeed on the fence with the idea. I'm not laboring over my decision but I want to give it thought. The kernel source is subject to the rules of the GPL. They paid nothing for it and only have to abide by the rules of the license. One of those rules is that the source code must be made available (within a certain amount of time? I keep hearing 30 days but I'm not so sure).
I guess I just used poor analogies. You don't thank someone for not robbing your house...do you?
That said, in the name of fairness (and human decency...towards a corporation that has already demonstrated a desire to screw us as much as we will allow?) I'm still considering my stance.
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Read above post.
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I appreciate all the work that is done here, and I'm sorry that I cant contribute to that work. I wasn't calling out everybody here, most people didnt hit their page, but those of us that did, I felt a simple thanks would be good in the long term future. You know, maybe the evo3, instead of them being like **** those guys that spammed us last year and never came back, they may be like, hey lets get them the goods again, all the thanks looked good on our fb page. Social networking has given us power, much more than the old 800 number, simply because all complaints and gratitudes are in the public view of the world. Plus as a species thats struggling, again, simple decentcy is refreshing, and whats wrong with that?
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When I first read the post I didn't read all the words like I said. I missed the part about the source code.
People just aren't as appreciative as they used to be. Thats what I think mostly America has become. I do get enough thanks for what I do and thats why I keep doing it. I know people like it even though they don't always show it.
I actually talked to HTC this morning and the first words out of my mouth were that I love their phones and what they do.
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That's pretty compelling...in the short run. In the long run I would hope that you are proven correct and it's certainly worth a shot. If they don't learn from this, well, we can always attack them again.
I think I just might give them a thanks. All of that positive PR would surely help convince them to do the same in the future.
Well I stopped by their Facebook to say thanks as soon as they posted it. I hit them up in a polite way every day asking for it, so I felt that I wanted to thank them for doing it in a timely matter. Other companies and phones take much longer. Now, if I still had my OG EVO, I would not have thanked them for releasing today. I mean when did the GB update for the OG EVO come out? And they are just releasing it today? This is my opinion, not that anyone asked for it.
not trying to scare anyone, just a PSA
we know the droid 3 exploit works (its how about 97% of you rooted). however the electrify has a 2.3.5 update that blocks it.. which means that photon owners will prolly be rootless come next update. :O
the man who has brought out a good number of root exploits, Dan Rosenberg has a new trick up his sleeve. seems hes already got the next wave of motos rooted including the droid 4 that released today. thing is there is gunna be a lot of people using it (i know its what ill be changing the one click to so that we can root the electrify. and think about how many other moto devices that will be freed. with that in mind djrbliss is looking to get himself a droid 4 (ew who uses verizon? ).
anyways long story short, i included a we pay link he gets 200 he'll make it public and then any extra goes to the american red cross. so if you have root now, or in the future its prolly cuz of this guy. if your an electrify owner and want a nice easy one click? then shoot this guy a few bucks
https://www.wepay.com/donations/droid-4-root-bounty
shabbypenguin said:
not trying to scare anyone, just a PSA
we know the droid 3 exploit works (its how about 97% of you rooted). however the electrify has a 2.3.5 update that blocks it.. which means that photon owners will prolly be rootless come next update. :O
the man who has brought out a good number of root exploits, Dan Rosenberg has a new trick up his sleeve. seems hes already got the next wave of motos rooted including the droid 4 that released today. thing is there is gunna be a lot of people using it (i know its what ill be changing the one click to so that we can root the electrify. and think about how many other moto devices that will be freed. with that in mind djrbliss is looking to get himself a droid 4 (ew who uses verizon? ).
anyways long story short, i included a we pay link he gets 200 he'll make it public and then any extra goes to the american red cross. so if you have root now, or in the future its prolly cuz of this guy. if your an electrify owner and want a nice easy one click? then shoot this guy a few bucks
https://www.wepay.com/donations/droid-4-root-bounty
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Incorrect. When it reaches $500 he'll release it.
I'll be glad to kick in $20 whenever the time comes that I need to root for ICS or have to re-root because I couldn't ignore 2.3.5 (I'll ignore 2.3.5 if I can).
What if CM team ask for money before releasing or joker.....think about that for a min. Smh.
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radrian92 said:
What if CM team ask for money before releasing or joker.....think about that for a min. Smh.
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i could see where that is fitting i suppose. i knew most of the people who would be interested would be people who are locked out of root (droid 4) and possibly electrify owners that want a one click. just figured id let people know since he has done a whole lot for the rooting community.. :/
http://vulnfactory.org/blog/2012/02/11/rooting-the-droid-4-a-failed-bounty-experiment/
he posted a nice blog entry on it :/
ill be updateing the one click for its use, and putting a donate to him link
Wow! I guess if you aren't cooking ROMs, you can forget ever getting a donation...
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Wow! I guess if you aren't cooking ROMs, you can forget ever getting a donation...
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How is $575 (and he has stopped accepting) a failure?
With all respect to the dev, I think the mistake he made was the "I'll release it when y'all pay $500". THAT (his message) was the failure in the "experiment". The $200 for a phone was not the issue.
'nuff said - I am NOT trying to inflame anything here. I believe the dev has done awesome free work for us, but could have avoided all of this with slightly different words.
People are still people and the psychology of messages still counts!
Please take all the above ramblings in a respectful, positive and helpful tone!
No offense but if he did it, he has the right to wait for 500. 99% of us work for free. Ad clicks and donations are nice but not expected. That doesn't mean we don't have to work for free it just means we do.
So if you want to donate, its your money.
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No offense but if he did it, he has the right to wait for 500. 99% of us work for free. Ad clicks and donations are nice but not expected. That doesn't mean we don't have to work for free it just means we do.
So if you want to donate, its your money.
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I totally agree - he had every right to set a number and not release until that number was reached. He has no obligation to unlock phones for free.
But we'll never know in this case since he changed the rules mid-experiment, which means the experiment neither failed nor succeeded. When I saw the way he originally announced it, I thought "this won't end well" (see below for more).
The point I was trying to make was that, from a human psych POV, that a bounty (really a ransom here) is not an effective motivator for a bunch of opinionated, strong-willed contributors like us.
Case in point - a few years ago at ppcGeeks, $300 bounty, "release when paid" for a Win Mo phone (TP2 I think), people got ruffled, rules got changed, dev collected $1,000 in 2 days.
It's all about psychology and messaging, for although we are are bit different from a lot of people, we are still normal people. A carrot remains a better motivator than a stick.
In my opinion, the dev should have said "hard work", "please contribute", "first 200 to me for a phone which is a tool that will benefit you", "next 100 / 200 for my family", "rest to charity" (if that's really what he wants to; keep it all if he wants). Just my opinion of course - and I respect that the dev may or may not care in the slightest about all my words (assume he doesn't).
Sorry for the number of words - although an engineer, I took a lot of psych in college.
Dude shoulda bought a phone. Sheesh. Its donations, he can do what he wants with it.
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Dude shoulda bought a phone. Sheesh. Its donations, he can do what he wants with it.
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Yes - he should have bought a phone, and then dinner for his wife/gf ....... I told him that via a different route; also told him no matter what he did, he'd get some snarky comments that he should just ignore.
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This guys getting paid from most likely our fellow xda devs... i just flagged all his craigslist posting...
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well, i mean you never know...
but if i were to make a posting like that, i would make it say that i would do it for the users who want it but are afraid to mess up. and then i would basically state all the things that i know how to do and my forum profiles. and what i would charge would depend on how annoyingly painstaking the process is to get them the wanted feature.
in other posting this guy has said hes been hacking android since 4 yrs before g1 was released, i didnt know there was a Droid before the g1/dream
Debel said:
in other posting this guy has said hes been hacking android since 4 yrs before g1 was released, i didnt know there was a Droid before the g1/dream
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haha there wasnt
That's nothing new...if you are lazy or dumb enough to pay for it then go for it. People offer paid services like that for everything from iPhones to Xboxes..ya know
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That's nothing new...if you are lazy or dumb enough to pay for it then go for it. People offer paid services like that for everything from iPhones to Xboxes..ya know
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It's not about being lazy, it's about the conformity. We all go to the mechanic to fix our cars unless you know how to fix it, obviously. That's just how it works man. I do think that people not giving credit to the devs and all of the people that make this happen is really messed up though.
I don't believe in these kinds of businesses, here in Puerto Rico, there are lots of stores that dedicate themselves to hack iPhones or as they call it "unlock" it. And they charge like 30$!! It's ridiculous! I get disgusted every time I see one
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eggydrums said:
I don't believe in these kinds of businesses, here in Puerto Rico, there are lots of stores that dedicate themselves to hack iPhones or as they call it "unlock" it. And they charge like 30$!! It's ridiculous! I get disgusted every time I see one
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well its the same as a computer repair store pretty much...
but i dont believe in people stretching the truth so much like the snippet that was posted in the op. i mean if you want to help someone who's afraid to do it themselves, and they are willing to give you a couple bucks why not? now i wouldnt charge $30 for anything... the highest i'd go would be $10 lol
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well its the same as a computer repair store pretty much...
but i dont believe in people stretching the truth so much like the snippet that was posted in the op. i mean if you want to help someone who's afraid to do it themselves, and they are willing to give you a couple bucks why not? now i wouldnt charge $30 for anything... the highest i'd go would be $10 lol
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Yeah I also wouldn't make a big business out of either like the people I mentioned, I'll be honest, puertorricans can be pretty dumb most of the time, lol
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It's not about being lazy, it's about the conformity. We all go to the mechanic to fix our cars unless you know how to fix it, obviously. That's just how it works man. I do think that people not giving credit to the devs and all of the people that make this happen is really messed up though.
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Nah..I'm sticking with my lazy comment. people don't bother to learn anything anymore. Doesn't take long to read how to root and flash.
the business isn't about giving credit, it's about charging money for something that's free
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Welcome to reality!
Thing is I guarantee he is making his monies off people. Happens all the time. Business as usual and living the American dream.....even in different countries....
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Android SDK on the sidekick lol it just wasn't what it is today
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Some of you guys must not understand the difference between selling a service and selling a tangible product. You're paying for this guys time and knowledge of rooting android phones. Don't be such a stick in the mud
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Some of you guys must not understand the difference between selling a service and selling a tangible product. You're paying for this guys time and knowledge of rooting android phones. Don't be such a stick in the mud
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Agreed. I don't see the problem with it. Heck if I could make it into a side business I would. As others have said, they aren't selling the work that others have made, they're charging for their time, knowledge, gas (in a lot of cases they will travel to you) and convenience to root/hack/mod a phone that the owner doesn't want to do themselves. Yeah they can read some forums and do it themselves, but if they're willing to pay for it, it means they're either lazy and don't care or aren't technically inclined.
Some phones really aren't as simple as you would think to root and simply install wifi tether, for example. Downloading drivers, reading the root process for that device, downloading the scripts and tools, copying files to and from the phone, rebooting and the wait adds up into a lot of time and sometimes frustration. A lot of people don't want to deal with it, and if I'm going to learn all of that and sacrifice my time for someone I don't know, I want to be compensated.
I worked for Data Doctors (computer repair business) and while our prices (not set by me) were a little expensive, people gladly paid it because they didn't know how nor could they be bothered to fix the system themselves. That's business.
it took my around 5 hours the other day to figure out how to root, s-off and flash a custom rom on the Amaze. If I had already started my new job I would definitiv have paid the $15 to save me 5 hours of time.
Times are hard and knowledge is power.
If this guy knows what he's doing why not let him do it?
I think it's f*ed up that you flagged just because you're an XDA member who "supposedly" knows better.
He's trying to make some money off of his knowledge.
I mean, just because the information is here doesn't mean everyone who reads it understands it or could implement it.
Some people are not technology inclined.
YouTube has videos on how to do almost everything but just because you watch doesn't mean you'll be able to do it.
What was wrong with him trying to make money from the time and effort he invested into understanding the rooting and unlocking process of a phone?
Honestly..flagging him was a d**k move.
Took my girlfriends mytouch4gslide, he screwed up. Download ruu ....
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For me, I want to know how to root and flash my own ROMs. Without knowing how to do things yourself you're stuck with whatever this guy loads on your phone, and isn't that the point of rooting, being able to load custom ROMs.
be proud of your work cause shearing is caring i learned a lot form xda i do get paid to fix my friends phones for them but when i get paid i save it just for XDA DEV who's work i used to do the job it's not stealing it's called Redistributing & dev can always spot there work from a mile away i used to burn movies and sell it on Craigslist i even posted adds on hacking any games on android with gamecih ^_^ wow those were the days i would ask $20 a pop lol 1 day i had over 15 calls lmfao like ice cube said TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY
+ thanks to gay Bush n homo Obama
the economy is Focked
i don't wanna sell drugs / rob people not when i got 2 kids
now i work 13hr shift 6 days a week
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Times are hard and knowledge is power.
If this guy knows what he's doing why not let him do it?
I think it's f*ed up that you flagged just because you're an XDA member who "supposedly" knows better.
He's trying to make some money off of his knowledge.
I mean, just because the information is here doesn't mean everyone who reads it understands it or could implement it.
Some people are not technology inclined.
YouTube has videos on how to do almost everything but just because you watch doesn't mean you'll be able to do it.
What was wrong with him trying to make money from the time and effort he invested into understanding the rooting and unlocking process of a phone?
Honestly..flagging him was a d**k move.
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word fam i feels you on this ho ^_^ http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=848723
No xlue
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i think me, like many others, are checking these forums frequently to see if any updates or news to the roms for HDX, especially since the last waves of rooting happening all the way to newest OTA update, however the heat has seemingly died off with the hopes of updates, and that glimmer of hope with bootloader unlock that we all waiting for. I understand as long as this doesn't happen we are still limited to the Amazon kernel.
im not a developer but a savvy user like many others so im in no position to measure the difficulty of creating updates for the device, however with the floodgate opened before i was really hoping for lots of new roms and updates to existing, coupled with powerful hardware at cheap prices, and what seems to be wide audience, but didnt seem to be the case.
does anyone think there's any hope left for this device? should we just jump on to Tegra K1 bandwagon soon?
Last I saw the had unlocked the boot loader but was working more kinks and gonna charge for it. That was like 3xweeks or more ago. Who knows.
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Last I saw the had unlocked the boot loader but was working more kinks and gonna charge for it. That was like 3xweeks or more ago. Who knows.
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Yeah, that's what I last saw too. I think they're charging because they don't want Amazon to find out or something.
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Yeah, that's what I last saw too. I think they're charging because they don't want Amazon to find out or something.
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Yeah, not only does it delay Amazon's ability to patch the hole, but it also helps the developers of the exploit earn the money they deserve. I'm just currently concerned after that argument in the fire phone thread they may not be releasing the exploit due to legal reasons, which is bothersome.
I don't know but it really sucks and I also know this thread is not development related. As far as being in the development section I mean.
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Yeah, that's what I last saw too. I think they're charging because they don't want Amazon to find out or something.
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im sorry but thats a sorry excuse. theyre gonna charge $25 so that a multi billion dollar company cant find out? if it slows them down itll slow them down for a couple of hours and thats it.
lets be realist... theyre charging so that they can profit. theres nothing wrong with that and i dont have a problem with it but its a lil insulting if they expect us to believe that
I check every couple of weeks or so, but honestly just running the xpose framework module makes me happy. The only thing I was missing was the play store, and it allows me to have that. The Fire user interface has actually grown on me.
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Yeah, not only does it delay Amazon's ability to patch the hole, but it also helps the developers of the exploit earn the money they deserve. I'm just currently concerned after that argument in the fire phone thread they may not be releasing the exploit due to legal reasons, which is bothersome.
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The argument in that thread about whether bootloader unlocking is legal in the US or not is not even touching on the real issue. First, bootloader unlocking IS legal. Second, what is not legal though is hacking a device put out by a company and then charging other people and making money off of your exploit. And even if it were legal, it is against XDA TOS for members to charge for things like ROMs, kernel, bootloader unlock, etc. We can donate sure, but specifically charging people for access is a no-no.
Even still, Id pay for it. I really want to see some real development going on for this tablet. The Thor and Appolo gapps ROMs are great, but it would be nice to have a true AOSP build working.
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The argument in that thread about whether bootloader unlocking is legal in the US or not is not even touching on the real issue. First, bootloader unlocking IS legal. Second, what is not legal though is hacking a device put out by a company and then charging other people and making money off of your exploit. And even if it were legal, it is against XDA TOS for members to charge for things like ROMs, kernel, bootloader unlock, etc. We can donate sure, but specifically charging people for access is a no-no.
Even still, Id pay for it. I really want to see some real development going on for this tablet. The Thor and Appolo gapps ROMs are great, but it would be nice to have a true AOSP build working.
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Are you kidding? Lol working fastboot and files would make alot of ppl happy right now.
I check everyday. Lol
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I check everyday. Lol
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My HDX is still in the mail and I check here everyday. I hope the unlock sees the light of day before the HDX becomes obsolete eventually.
i dont have high hopes at this rate, this device target audience is opposite of most android users in the sense they're not the type to tinker with the software
its not like a Nexus device where most of the users going for it are expected with rooting and roms, i cant blame them, even the rooting process and safestraping rom slots is not common for android devices
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I check everyday. Lol
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Same here
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I know
holeshot77 said:
I check everyday. Lol
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This this device has turned me into a troll something horrible(@least three times a day). But at least I try to stay helpful when I'm here .sometimes the attitude pops out from the,dangled just before me rage. .. Got to love to hate this sh*t .. Been circling this carcass of a device for a months like a freaking vulture..waiting.. waiting waiting ....out of ten tablets nhouse i maintain 4 are hdx ...and currently no bricks lol
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stapler85 said:
i dont have high hopes at this rate, this device target audience is opposite of most android users in the sense they're not the type to tinker with the software
its not like a Nexus device where most of the users going for it are expected with rooting and roms, i cant blame them, even the rooting process and safestraping rom slots is not common for android devices
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I agree totally ,, and it also seems like this device is a favorite for parents to buy kids as convenient media babysitters and then the children think they need to come here and start modifying Bricking and crying ... It has been a bitter roller coaster ride I just want my unlock and fastboot stuff so I can unlock, archive the rest,and be on the next device. Uhg and I am sorry but this forum has given me fantasies such as hoping the next update will come with a choke Bart emoji on my keyboard;-p lmao only because of the face palming is starting to leave a mark ; (
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Are you kidding? Lol working fastboot and files would make alot of ppl happy right now.
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Someone was able to get fastboot working on Linux if your interested in taking a look at it in this thread here.
Apparently
shimp208 said:
Someone was able to get fastboot working on Linux if your interested in taking a look at it in this thread here.
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Your idea of working in my idea of working or two different things nobody has been able repair a brick device via our fastboot , I mean flash any files system files kernels or what ever as far as I know nothing has worked for this is to what I am referring .
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Your idea of working in my idea of working or two different things nobody has been able repair a brick device via our fastboot , I mean flash any files system files kernels or what ever as far as I know nothing has worked for this is to what I am referring .
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fyi, once unlocked, the normal fastboot behavior works.
uhg
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fyi, once unlocked, the normal fastboot behavior works.
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HASHCODE
You sir, are a meanie and a tease. LMAO, no but really that is the only reason I've been trolling these threads since Christmas.. Since then I have bought two more... so how about some hot salt in the wound then tell us about your KitKat on your HDX buahahahah
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fyi, once unlocked, the normal fastboot behavior works.
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Hi hashcode. Any info you can feed us would be appreciAted. I understand things are hush hush for numerous reasons but people here are starting to lose interest in our device and the longer we wait for a unlock the more talent we lose and, undoubtedly, potential donaters.
Your teasing and previous posts show u have some inside knowledge of the unlock. Any info would be great but specificAlly what is the snag the devs have run into? And I know it's rude to ask but how much longer are we lookin at for release?
I know u dint owe us anything but we thank u for ur support.
I'd really like to participate in today's Fire Sale (pun intended), but I'm not keen on getting a device that can't be unlocked. Decisions, decisions...
All of us Snapdragon Note 8 users know it's a long shot, but it's worth the try... Let your voice be heard and Samsung to surrender! Please take a minute to vote, all is appreciated!
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-un...m_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition
0% chance of this working. But I'll sign anyway.
You'll probably have better luck with a bootloader unlock bounty.
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0% chance of this working. But I'll sign anyway.
You'll probably have better luck with a bootloader unlock bounty.
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Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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Okay, a bounty involves donations, which does seem more attractive to Samsung, but I'm not sure how to set up donation links, secure payment, etc.... If someone does and makes a thread, that'll be cool too.
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Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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No problem!
A petition is for Samsung, a bounty is for hackers.
**UPDATE**
We're now over 100 signatures in! Thanks to all who have signed already! If you haven't already, a minute of your time would greatly be appreciated to sign the petition. Thanks to all Note 8 users!
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**UPDATE**
We're now over 100 signatures in! Thanks to all who have signed already! If you haven't already, a minute of your time would greatly be appreciated to sign the petition. Thanks to all Note 8 users!
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WOT - we had thousands for locked s7's and totally ignored.
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gaww said:
WOT - we had thousands for locked s7's and totally ignored.
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Yeah @gaww I try to be optimistic because everyone's effort is 1 step closer to to end this. But.... we will see
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Yeah @gaww I try to be optimistic because everyone's effort is 1 step closer to to end this. But.... we will see
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It is hopeless- that is why I dumped my US model and bought international s7e. I have both s8 port and early oreo ROM on it.
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It is hopeless- that is why I dumped my US model and bought international s7e. I have both s8 port and early oreo ROM on it.
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I would I paid off my phone, but it's too much of a hassle for me to sell it and find a new one. I'm broke and still in school? I had an Exynos A5 2016 before this and definitely going for Exynos next time around
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I would I paid off my phone, but it's too much of a hassle for me to sell it and find a new one. I'm broke and still in school[emoji23] I had an Exynos A5 2016 before this and definitely going for Exynos next time around
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Understand - good luck.
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Signed, always remaining hopeful!
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Signed. Doubtful, but hopeful. I don't know the rules around it but I feel like setting up a community bounty and seeing who would be willing to chip in might be a bit more effective. I feel like the Snap Note 8 community is pretty sizable to sum up enough of a bounty to attract some capable hackers to put some time in.
Signed I'm sure it won't matter but at least we tried right? Hopefully someone can eventually bust this thing wide open would be a nice phone to do whatever we want on it. MAN why did I go back to the AT&T route instead of international unlocked?
Signed.
Later than sooner, i wont say it's impossible, but for sure damn near. It's about forums and private site's, (US) who will make it possible. I've been programming for a little over 20 years although a different kind, CNC programming. Ive taken apart many phones including the note 8. Making a custom removable back cover is easy but when it comes down to analyzing every part in the phones. G-code was my first programming language to ever learn but 20 years later ive come to understand many languages. I'm just one part of a large group of people, each with a different set of skills. If anyone know's how to read a blueprint or schematics, or have a knowledge of how qualcomm bootloaders work in general on the note 8 specifically. sorry if this not the right place to post, ive been aware of the forum for long, signed up when the s8 came out. I want to contribute, just never have thought saying thing here as i havnt seen anything about custom modifications so the physical parts.
Signed still haven't lost faith
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Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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So to be clear, a petition shows a desire by the community to change something. Even if you got 10,000 signatures. Thats a small small slice of the pie for Samsung.
Bounties are to give individuals that may have the know how to achieve a goal, some incentive to do so via monetary compensation. I highly doubt a company like samsung or any large publicly traded company would even acknowledge a bounty and Im sure there are some legal rules against doing so. Not to mention they stand to make more money from NOT unlocking the bootloader and compromising knox than they stand to make from a bounty on xda..
If this bootloader is to ever be unlocked it will be by a team of code breakers as it took a team of coders to create this bootloader I'm sure. The bounty has to be a lot higher. Maybe there's a way of hard wiring through the eeprom and recoding the bootloader. I knew someone who did that to recode the mileage on a new odometer without going to the car dealer but I guess that's rookie stuff compared to this.
only a bounty on XDA would even make it ever so slightly possible; some talented folks have tried since day 1 without success..
petition to Samsung? now THATS funny!
They could care less about any sort of petition to make their devices less secure..
Signed,
I hope that the snapdragon variant does get an unlocked bootloader, but I would be extremely surprised if that ever happened. It is all completely under control of the US carriers as they are the driving force that causes the bootloader to remain locked. I originally had a Canadian SM-N950W and after being annoyed by how I couldn't do what I want with my own hardware that I shelled out a pretty penny for, I recently bought a SM-N950F from Amazon and sold the W. I think that's probably everyone's best way to go. Voting with your wallet is the only way to solve such problems. Although, since there is a large majority of users who have the snapdragon models who don't care to root, I don't see it making a huge difference in the long run.
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Signed,
I hope that the snapdragon variant does get an unlocked bootloader, but I would be extremely surprised if that ever happened. It is all completely under control of the US carriers as they are the driving force that causes the bootloader to remain locked. I originally had a Canadian SM-N950W and after being annoyed by how I couldn't do what I want with my own hardware that I shelled out a pretty penny for, I recently bought a SM-N950F from Amazon and sold the W. I think that's probably everyone's best way to go. Voting with your wallet is the only way to solve such problems. Although, since there is a large majority of users who have the snapdragon models who don't care to root, I don't see it making a huge difference in the long run.
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Wallet is only way to vote unfortunately. Why would they ever unlock this when the note 4 is still locked? Eol phone and they don't unlock it, reason being then you wouldn't buy the new model. This will never happen, I'm sorry.
Note 8 killed my Samsung loyalty. All previous tv's phone etc. Never again.