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hey guys i am just curious will the wolfson DAC give a better sound quality while listening to music over bluetooth than phones with other DACs like the galaxy note
i'm not really an expert on this. But from what i've read and gathered, the wolfson chip used in the International S3 is of extremely high quality. Its supposed to produce some really good sound. Better sound than the S2 and the Note.
Theres a whole thread dedicated to the sound quality. The only 'issue' i've seen is some people saying the volumes too low, but theres already a mod and everybodys waiting on "Voodoo" sound which is supposed to make it even more kick ass
hykhleif said:
hey guys i am just curious will the wolfson DAC give a better sound quality while listening to music over bluetooth than phones with other DACs like the galaxy note
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Answer: no!
The internal dac is not used when you use a bluetooth headset
Using N6P for the last few days, N6P sound output from the headphone jack is poor, it gets loud but quality is lacking, N6P doesn’t even have the power to drive high efficiency headphones (high sensitivity (dbl/mW or dbl/W) and low impedance (ohms)), I listen on my Triple Fi 10 headphones (Input Sensitivity - 117dB/mW; Impedance - 32 ohms) and the sound quality is disappointing.
I am coming from N6, N6 has very good sound quality from the headphone jack, N6 has the power to drive my Triple Fi 10 and doesn’t need an Amp.
PhoneArena measured the N6 at .98 volts and the 6P is .34 volts, for comparison IP6+ is 1.014 volts
See below comments from Head-fi forum about the poor sound quality:
“The 6P's sound is extremely forward and punchy, but has a real digital grittiness to it. Almost like running through a preamp with the gain wound up too far, with a weird high mid resonance that eventually becomes fatiguing. The weird grit sort of reminds me of my motherboard's onboard Realtek sound, from circa mid-2000s. It feels like the frequency response is not flat at all, I'm expecting tests to show a big peak around high mids to low treble. It's kind of like listening on cheap earbuds.”
http://www.head-fi.org/t/785067/nexus-5x-and-6p-sound-quality/30
I hate to return N6P as I love the phone otherwise, but sound quality is very important to me as I listen to music a lot.
The 6p has so many strong points, wouldn't it be worth using a headphone amp instead of returning the entire thing? Obviously that won't solve audio quality, but investing in an iPod or a walkman isn't too bad when your then able to use IMO the best android phone of 2015...
Get high quality Bluetooth headset. I have jaybird x2 and sounds beautiful connected.
Jamie bell said:
The 6p has so many strong points, wouldn't it be worth using a headphone amp instead of returning the entire thing? Obviously that won't solve audio quality, but investing in an iPod or a walkman isn't too bad when your then able to use IMO the best android phone of 2015...
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Must listen to this guy.
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I couldn't tell you the last time I plugged in headphones... No to wires!
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Only use them on airplanes!
im very happy with my Nexus 6P and headphone jack sound quality with my vmoda headphones. I use poweramp to listen to music and used one of the apps preset equalizers, sound quality is great to me, I've also used it during phones calls and it sounds just fine.
ga9213 said:
Get high quality Bluetooth headset. I have jaybird x2 and sounds beautiful connected.
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I couldn't tell you the last time I plugged in headphones... No to wires!
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Bluetooth is not there yet in terms of music quality, I have tried and returned 10 -12 bluetooth headphones in the last year including Jay bird x, they are no match to the good quality wired headsets like my Triple Fi 10, you won’t get any sound stage on Bluetooth headphones.
Sony’s new high resolution Bluetooth headphones are promising but it needs LDAC codec support on the phone, also these headphones are expensive at $399.
I wonder if someday we will see a pair of cans sporting USB-C with an inline Digital to Analog converter. There would be many benefits to this really. I could see a trackpad that supports gestures or scrobbling, etc.
I understand that as for high end audiophile one can spend thousands in the pursuit of audio bliss. But as for my common daily use my 6P with Viper and my JayBird X and Bose sounds is just fine:good::good::good:
Get poweramp and apply these settings.
People still use those headphone jacks? Hmmm... Interesting
anglerstock said:
Get poweramp and apply these settings.
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Thanks for the suggestion, but software enhancements mostly ruins music experience, I prefer to listen the music the way musician intended to..
I used poweramp but prefer Neutron - the best music player on Android..
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People still use those headphone jacks? Hmmm... Interesting
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yes...only if you listen to real music..and have a discerning ears..
droidguy22 said:
yes...only if you listen to real music..and have a discerning ears..
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Real music you say? Lol so those with discerning ears don't use Bluetooth? #snobbery
If you wish to listen to music "as musicians intended" then you can only get inside their collective heads to hear it. Everything else is influenced and changed by acoustics, recording, engineering and production.
Jamie bell said:
The 6p has so many strong points, wouldn't it be worth using a headphone amp instead of returning the entire thing? Obviously that won't solve audio quality, but investing in an iPod or a walkman isn't too bad when your then able to use IMO the best android phone of 2015...
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agree that 6p has many strong points, but amp defeats the portability, a premium phone ($700 - 128gb with tax) in 2015 should give a decent sound quality, what's the point of 128gb storage if it can't output decent sound.
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If you wish to listen to music "as musicians intended" then you can only get inside their collective heads to hear it. Everything else is influenced and changed by acoustics, recording, engineering and production.
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the way you described is not possible, that's why you want to buy a device with better DAC and use good quality headphones and you can be as close as possible to the musicians intent..
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Real music you say? Lol so those with discerning ears don't use Bluetooth? #snobbery
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you are not so bright, are you?
Why Bluetooth Audio Used To (and Still Largely) Sucks:
The problem with Bluetooth audio has always been digital compression: in order to send your audio to your headphones, you were forced to sacrifice quality. Traditionally, especially on older devices and with older Bluetooth versions, this meant the sound was so badly compressed that the result sounded robotic, buzzy, noisy, and all around awful. Listening to podcasts and spoken word through them wasn't a big deal, but when it came to music, they were just the worst. You got none of the richness or warmth of sound that a pair of wired headphones offers.
if you're the type who really enjoys listening—and I mean actively listening—to music on high-quality headphones, and you use terms like "soundstage" and "frequency response" to judge one pair of headphones over another, you may be disappointed, especially when you compare your wireless listening experience to a wired one.
http://lifehacker.com/does-bluetooth-audio-still-suck-1505063323
droidguy22 said:
the way you described is not possible, that's why you want to buy a device with better DAC and use good quality headphones and you can be as close as possible to the musicians intent..
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My comment was not a flame. The difference is that I see all this as impossible for the very reasons I gave. Perhaps Steve Albini can make this clearer: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep05/articles/albini.htm
I'm sitting here trying to watch videos on my new Verizon V10, but the speaker is so tinny/buzzy-low that I can't enjoy it. I'm having to watch on my old HTC M7..
Does the speaker improve over time? What were they thinking giving us this great screen but requiring headphines to watch anything?
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I'm sitting here trying to watch videos on my new Verizon V10, but the speaker is so tinny/buzzy-low that I can't enjoy it. I'm having to watch on my old HTC M7..
Does the speaker improve over time? What were they thinking giving us this great screen but requiring headphines to watch anything?
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Mins is like this as well. Luckily I own a few pair of Beats headphones and have Bluetooth in my car. It is pretty ridiculous though
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I'm sitting here trying to watch videos on my new Verizon V10, but the speaker is so tinny/buzzy-low that I can't enjoy it. I'm having to watch on my old HTC M7..
Does the speaker improve over time? What were they thinking giving us this great screen but requiring headphines to watch anything?
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I have the t-mobile variant and the speaker is very loud, to the point I have to turn it down when I let my daughter use it while she cleans her room because the sounds travels though the house. Maybe it's a bad unit.
The speakers are loud for me too， but the sound quality is pathetic
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So you guys think it's software? Maybe a fix in the future? I expected the same speaker as the g4, but it's not as loud.
I'm on the fence about keeping the phone for this reason.
mine is low too. Tmobile v10. G4 had really awesome loud sound !
They are acceptable, but don't expect to be able to hear them in a room that's not completely quiet. Coming from an HTC m8 the speakers on the v10 were disappointing
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They are acceptable, but don't expect to be able to hear them in a room that's not completely quiet. Coming from an HTC m8 the speakers on the v10 were disappointing
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That's a coincidence, I'm actually thinking of selling my v10, and buying a used H8 How do they compare?
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That's a coincidence, I'm actually thinking of selling my v10, and buying a used H8 How do they compare?
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I don't know about the H8, but I came from a Note 4 and was surprised at how crappy the V10 speaker is. Distortion City at loud volume.
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That's a coincidence, I'm actually thinking of selling my v10, and buying a used H8 How do they compare?
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I loved my m8 for the 1.5 years I had it. Awesome speakers, durable build(I had no case and only a vinyl wrap on it since week one), really easy to use one handed unlike the v10.
The v10 has a way better camera, super fast phone(4 gigs of ram?), brilliant screen, 268gb of storage with my 200gb micro SD. The extra battery is a major win, swapping battery's for the past two weeks and going from 0% to 100% in 20 seconds has been amazing.
But honestly my v10 has already started to fall apart, it's only a month old and looks beat to **** already. Already has more micro scratches than my old m8, the camera ring is scratched, the back cover is tinted with dirty/is a different color than rest of the phone, has several chunks missing from the rubber.?
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I don't know about the H8, but I came from a Note 4 and was surprised at how crappy the V10 speaker is. Distortion City at loud volume.
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Agreed, my wife's note 4 is much louder/clearer.
I know is not a big deal to most, but hopping in my old car (without Bluetooth) and still being able to enjoy listening to a podcast is a big deal for me. I just wish I knew if there is a software fix possible. Seems like some are fine with the volume.
There must be different suppliers for the speaker unit because I can tell no difference between my V10 and any other phone i've had with one speaker, including the G4, any of the Galaxy Notes, S4, Nexus 4 etc.. and i'm not hard of hearing or undiscerning. We're talking about a speaker 1/4th the size of a fingernail. Has anyone had a single-speaker phone that seriously didn't distort at full volume? My Note 4 sounded like crap, just like the V10, only the V10 doesn't get muffled when laying face up on a soft surface. I change phones every few months, can't remember a single one that sounded significantly different than the one before it with the exception of the Nexus 6 and its two front firing speakers, but even those distorted like mad at higher volume.
I've never heard HTC's "Boom Sound" so maybe i'm really missing out there. If every one of HTC's M series cameras didn't stink so bad (relative to the flagship competition) I would have had one by now though.
I find the sound comparable to my last phone galaxy s5. The speaker works well enough for my use not fantastic. I use Bluetooth most of the time anyway. I figure different phones have different drawbacks. All the plus's about this phone outweigh the negative.
I have a T-Mobile V10 that is rooted. I have Viper Audio(V4A) installed. It has made a VERY dramatic difference in the audio output and quality of the speaker. I rarely have to put the volume even halfway up! Audio is clear and loud. This lends me to believe that it is not a hardware limitation of the V10's speaker but software. The speaker can produce some loud and clear audio. I root all my phones to use V4A. It allows me to get great audio from the built in speakers.
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Mins is like this as well. Luckily I own a few pair of Beats headphones and have Bluetooth in my car. It is pretty ridiculous though
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I dont know what's worse tiny speaker on v10 or beats headphones
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There must be different suppliers for the speaker unit because I can tell no difference between my V10 and any other phone i've had with one speaker, including the G4, any of the Galaxy Notes, S4, Nexus 4 etc.. and i'm not hard of hearing or undiscerning. We're talking about a speaker 1/4th the size of a fingernail. Has anyone had a single-speaker phone that seriously didn't distort at full volume? My Note 4 sounded like crap, just like the V10, only the V10 doesn't get muffled when laying face up on a soft surface. I change phones every few months, can't remember a single one that sounded significantly different than the one before it with the exception of the Nexus 6 and its two front firing speakers, but even those distorted like mad at higher volume.
I've never heard HTC's "Boom Sound" so maybe i'm really missing out there. If every one of HTC's M series cameras didn't stink so bad (relative to the flagship competition) I would have had one by now though.
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Maybe there are different speakers causing all these different experiences. My wife's note 4 is much louder, and my daughters Droid turbo is much much louder. I seriously can't watch an interview - type YouTube video because I can't understand what anyone is saying.
I just factory reset my 2 day old v10. The speaker is a deal-breaker. It's going on Craigslist/eBay. A phone with end bezels this large should have great sound.
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I have a T-Mobile V10 that is rooted. I have Viper Audio(V4A) installed. It has made a VERY dramatic difference in the audio output and quality of the speaker. I rarely have to put the volume even halfway up! Audio is clear and loud. This lends me to believe that it is not a hardware limitation of the V10's speaker but software. The speaker can produce some loud and clear audio. I root all my phones to use V4A. It allows me to get great audio from the built in speakers.
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I called lg and spoke to them about the speaker. They said I was the first complaint they had regarding low sound. Their tech said the speaker was as loud as it ever would be and software would not change it, nor did they plan on making any changes or updates to the volume.
I'm sure it was a canned response but certainly not encouraging.
cencom14 said:
I have a T-Mobile V10 that is rooted. I have Viper Audio(V4A) installed. It has made a VERY dramatic difference in the audio output and quality of the speaker. I rarely have to put the volume even halfway up! Audio is clear and loud. This lends me to believe that it is not a hardware limitation of the V10's speaker but software. The speaker can produce some loud and clear audio. I root all my phones to use V4A. It allows me to get great audio from the built in speakers.
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Where can I get the info to install the viper on my phone
Full info on V4A can be found in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191223
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Where can I get the info to install the viper on my phone
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I would try it too, but Verizon versions of the V10 aren't rootable.... At least not yet.....?
What is the sound quality like on the g5 like without the dac. Especially through headphones.
I love using my phones as an mp3 player.
Im upgrading from a g3. The reviews of the v10 sound great regarding sound but i feel it may ge too big for me.
So im possibly looking to buy the g5 with the option of adding the module if i want to.
The built in DAC is 24bit so a step up from most phones (S7 Edge is 16bit), the B&O is 32bit. You mention the V10 which is possible the same DAC as the G5 or as good as.
I've come from an S6, I use the exact same mp3 files and have tried the same player on both, it does sound slightly clearer on the G5
I just noticed that, GSMAREANA reported: "Headphones dropped the loudness to way below average, while introducing an average amount of stereo crosstalk and a bit of intermodulation distortion. Not a disastrous showing by any means, but not one worth writing home about. And if you own a pair of high-impedance headphones you might want to keep in mind that you might struggle to achieve high volume levels."
does anyone (who own the phone) notice this?
im about buying it, but i'm worried i will regret cuz i always use wired headphones and dont want go near wireless ones.
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I just noticed that, GSMAREANA reported: "Headphones dropped the loudness to way below average, while introducing an average amount of stereo crosstalk and a bit of intermodulation distortion. Not a disastrous showing by any means, but not one worth writing home about. And if you own a pair of high-impedance headphones you might want to keep in mind that you might struggle to achieve high volume levels."
does anyone (who own the phone) notice this?
im about buying it, but i'm worried i will regret cuz i always use wired headphones and dont want go near wireless ones.
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Stock sounds are pretty low, but you can use the Mi headphone enhancements to amp up the audio and also use the equaliser to tune the music to your preference. It has the same amp as the Mi A2 (or A1 if you're very used it). The only phone able to surpass this on my audio Technica high impedence headphones is the LG G7 ThinQ, which is quite obvious. It isn't very extraordinaty, but nothing to complain about. Most reviewers don't check out all features and most of all, Xiaomi hasn't made it easy to find the enhancement settings
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Stock sounds are pretty low, but you can use the Mi headphone enhancements to amp up the audio and also use the equaliser to tune the music to your preference. It has the same amp as the Mi A2 (or A1 if you're very used it). The only phone able to surpass this on my audio Technica high impedence headphones is the LG G7 ThinQ, which is quite obvious. It isn't very extraordinaty, but nothing to complain about. Most reviewers don't check out all features and most of all, Xiaomi hasn't made it easy to find the enhancement settings
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Thanks for the replay, may I ask did you tried it, or some did try it, I don't want to regret after I buy it.
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Stock sounds are pretty low, but you can use the Mi headphone enhancements to amp up the audio and also use the equaliser to tune the music to your preference. It has the same amp as the Mi A2 (or A1 if you're very used it). The only phone able to surpass this on my audio Technica high impedence headphones is the LG G7 ThinQ, which is quite obvious. It isn't very extraordinaty, but nothing to complain about. Most reviewers don't check out all features and most of all, Xiaomi hasn't made it easy to find the enhancement settings
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I own the phone and would be surprised if it really had the sane audio setup as the MiA1 or A2, may I request you to share the source of tbis information.
I own a LG V20 myself and the audio quad dac was the biggest reason I wasn't giving it up, already have the f1 too but knowing it has the audio capabilities will help me take the plunge of giving up V20
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I own the phone and would be surprised if it really had the sane audio setup as the MiA1 or A2, may I request you to share the source of tbis information.
I own a LG V20 myself and the audio quad dac was the biggest reason I wasn't giving it up, already have the f1 too but knowing it has the audio capabilities will help me take the plunge of giving up V20
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I have the Poco F1 and also the MiA1 and the MiA2 and the LG G7. This is my personal experience. But I got to say, don't go into the phone expecting extraordinaty sounds like more expensive phones. If you had already used MiA1 or A2, you would know exactly what to expect. It is nothing compared to the
LG and that's what I said earlier
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I have the Poco F1 and also the MiA1 and the MiA2 and the LG G7. This is my personal experience. But I got to say, don't go into the phone expecting extraordinaty sounds like more expensive phones. If you had already used MiA1 or A2, you would know exactly what to expect. It is nothing compared to the
LG and that's what I said earlier
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Thanks for the response, and yeah certainly not expecting an experience at the level of LG's quad dac, but even something similar to MiA1 will be quite good
I tried it in my car using Bluetooth and output is pretty low. I had increase the volume to 15-16 to be able to hear anything.
I am planning to purchase POCO F1, and I am currently using Lenovo P2. I found it weird that in GSMArena review, the objective lab test numbers for audio are worse than that of Lenovo P2, when tested with headphones.
Now Lenovo P2 doesn't have a custom DAC as far as I know, and most probably be relying on SD625 embedded one.
1. So how can the above result of POCO F1 be correct, when it had SD845 Audio and POCO Claims it has a dedicated amp for 3.5mm jack as well as DiracHD tuning?
2. Or is there difference in output with the various modes in MIUI Headphone enhancements in settings?
Experienced hands please let us know. Thanks.
Because Xiaomi didn't implement Snapdragon DAC into MIUI. If anyone need the DAC for High Impedance output, just try Neutron or Poweramp Music Player.
But, be careful, sometimes because Hi-Res output came from DAC directly, volume can be too loud. Reduce your media volume first before trying
Don't worry about the sound. Someone will make a good mod in a month. So be patient. Sound mods will arrive soon and utilize the SD845 sound properly
My mi5 sounded much better than this packing a snapdragon 820 very let down by the headphone jack quality it lacks all the punch in base and clear highs i got from my mi5 :[§ hope someone makes a dac mod which enables the true potential of sd845
Will Neutron Player be able to exploit SD845 DAC? Or is there any other player readily available in PlayStore that can do it?
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I just noticed that, GSMAREANA reported: "Headphones dropped the loudness to way below average, while introducing an average amount of stereo crosstalk and a bit of intermodulation distortion. Not a disastrous showing by any means, but not one worth writing home about. And if you own a pair of high-impedance headphones you might want to keep in mind that you might struggle to achieve high volume levels."
does anyone (who own the phone) notice this?
im about buying it, but i'm worried i will regret cuz i always use wired headphones and dont want go near wireless ones.
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Yes I am using and this problem caused after recent update and Xiaomi- POCO INDIA AND GLOBAL told us via their twitter account that fix is coming soon.
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Yes I am using and this problem caused after recent update and Xiaomi- POCO INDIA AND GLOBAL told us via their twitter account that fix is coming soon.
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Could you share the Tweet link?
I hope Dolby support in MIUI 10 would give us also the ability to drive higher impedance headphones.
I had Mi A1 which used to have that output until Xiaomi murdered its sound quality last May.
I tried a flac song on sennheiser hd598, and compared against my LG V20, the sound quality was good and closeto what my V20 drives, on the poco had to punp up the volume a bit though.
Not really an audiophile, but the audio output was not bad by any means.
I'm using the Pocophone F1 with Beyerdynamic dt770 pro 80 ohm headphones and even if quality is not perfect as my other phone (Vivo X21UD) volume is similar
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Will Neutron Player be able to exploit SD845 DAC? Or is there any other player readily available in PlayStore that can do it?
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Poweramp can also do it. Until now, only those 2 players that can output Hi-Res Output directly from Snapdragon DAC.
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Could you share the Tweet link?
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Sure
https://twitter.com/atytse/status/1037700537268023296?s=19
http://en.miui.com/thread-3754917-1-1.html
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Sure
https://twitter.com/atytse/status/1037700537268023296?s=19
http://en.miui.com/thread-3754917-1-1.html
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Its just deals with the pubg audio bug