I personally don't believe anymore on those battery health apps or even that samsung method when you go check that folder inside system that "maybe" shows real battery health. I mean sometimes people can own a device for only a week or even a month and it shows 85 or 90% battery health which is a HUGE loss in a very short time, in my opinion in 1 year of usage even with fast charging..etc max loss would be 10-20% depends on how much you use it, now i have an S7 only 6 months old,rarely use fast charging and treat it very well and it says 84-85%, which is wrong in my opinion...What do you think guys ?
Yes you are right. I have a new device and I got these battery stats with phone info app:
discharge cycles: 1
battery health: 95,05%
This is ridiculous
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Yes you are right. I have a new device and I got these battery stats with phone info app:
discharge cycles: 1
battery health: 95,05%
This is ridiculous
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Exactly, my case for example on accubattery it shows 80%, while in Samsung phone if it shows 85% lol
Is there a way on the S9+ to turn of fast charging? Does fast charging really makes the capacity loss bigger?
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Is there a way on the S9+ to turn of fast charging? Does fast charging really makes the capacity loss bigger?
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Yes there is hope to device maintenance > battery > click the three dots button on top right and go advanced settings and there you can disable fast charging
I trust more on files than on apps, apps are 100% wrong.
Check charge_counter when at 100% to see the ammount of mA u have and fg_asoc to check battery capacity, this files can be found in sys/class/power_supply/battery, no root needed to check them. Charge_counter "tells" you mA of the battery at current time in real time, so, just charge until 100% and let it charge more, 100% isn't 100% charged, when it reaches 100% battery it still charges about 100mA.. 102% battery capacity, 3570mA on my S9+.
Phone Info shows 97,15% with 18 discharges, completely garbage and wrong.
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I trust more on files than on apps, apps are 100% wrong.
Check charge_counter when at 100% to see the ammount of mA u have and fg_asoc to check battery capacity, this files can be found in sys/class/power_supply/battery, no root needed to check them. Charge_counter "tells" you mA of the battery at current time in real time, so, just charge until 100% and let it charge more, 100% isn't 100% charged, when it reaches 100% battery it still charges about 100mA.. 102% battery capacity, 3570mA on my S9+.
Phone Info shows 97,15% with 18 discharges, completely garbage and wrong.
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Yes i know that method i said it in OP,but even that won't be 100% accurate in my opinion
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Don't worry about it. Also don't bother with battery apps. I am getting excellent battery on Exynos S9+ even though AccuBattery states that my phone battery health is only 93% (3256mAh); I find it difficult to believe.
Starting with S8 Samsung claimed that the phone will retain 95% battery after 1yr of use.
Samsung even upped that claim to 2yr of use with Note8.
Phones charge at a much lower temperature since S8 (compared to previous Gen and other phones). If you have ever noticed; then the charging switches to non-fast regular one as soon as screen is turned on. This is the behaviour ever since S8; I think it is designed that way to avoid overheating if one uses their phone while charging. The phone lockscreen will still say that the phone is fast charging, but actual current and voltage readings will show that the phone is not fast charging anymore once screen comes on. I have tested this with a car charger that changes colour depending upon charge type (green for fast charge and blue for regular).
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Don't worry about it. Also don't bother with battery apps. I am getting excellent battery on Exynos S9+ even though AccuBattery states that my phone battery health is only 93% (3256mAh); I find it difficult to believe.
Starting with S8 Samsung claimed that the phone will retain 95% battery after 1yr of use.
Samsung even upped that claim to 2yr of use with Note8.
Phones charge at a much lower temperature since S8 (compared to previous Gen and other phones). If you have ever noticed; then the charging switches to non-fast regular one as soon as screen is turned on. This is the behaviour ever since S8; I think it is designed that way to avoid overheating if one uses their phone while charging. The phone lockscreen will still say that the phone is fast charging, but actual current and voltage readings will show that the phone is not fast charging anymore once screen comes on. I have tested this with a car charger that changes colour depending upon charge type (green for fast charge and blue for regular).
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This behaviour exist on the S7 too i guess
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Don't worry about it. Also don't bother with battery apps. I am getting excellent battery on Exynos S9+ even though AccuBattery states that my phone battery health is only 93% (3256mAh); I find it difficult to believe.
Starting with S8 Samsung claimed that the phone will retain 95% battery after 1yr of use.
Samsung even upped that claim to 2yr of use with Note8.
Phones charge at a much lower temperature since S8 (compared to previous Gen and other phones). If you have ever noticed; then the charging switches to non-fast regular one as soon as screen is turned on. This is the behaviour ever since S8; I think it is designed that way to avoid overheating if one uses their phone while charging. The phone lockscreen will still say that the phone is fast charging, but actual current and voltage readings will show that the phone is not fast charging anymore once screen comes on. I have tested this with a car charger that changes colour depending upon charge type (green for fast charge and blue for regular).
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thats a least so since the S6.
Also note that when Screen is on it only charges the battery with a max current of about 1020mA
Is that true that charging the phone with cycle "100%-15%" is bad for battery life? I want to keep my phone for years, but I don't want that the batterie will die sooner. Even so is it impossible to change it
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Is that true that charging the phone with cycle "100%-15%" is bad for battery life? I want to keep my phone for years, but I don't want that the batterie will die sooner. Even so is it impossible to change it
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Samsung claimed 95% battery life retention with 1yr usage starting from S8.
I assume the batteries on S8 onwarda are actually higher capacity than what is used (in order to keep battery charge cycles low). I assume that because Samsung is claiming so without telling users to not charge to 100%. Retaining 95% battery over a year despite of charging 100% seems a bit difficult to me otherwise.
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There seems to be a debate on this topic as to whether you should do a FULL drain on your battery and I wanted to know what people's thoughts were on this in this forum.
I've used my phone twice now to the point where it has auto powered down on it's own. I will then hit the 'Power' button to ensure that battery is truly at 0% (the capacitative buttons blink for a second to confirm that I've hit the power button but there is no more juice left to turn the phone on).
I will plug into the wall charger and allow it to charge for 4 hours (usually around 4 hours, I'll check back to see and hit the power button and the onscreen battery display will show 100% charged).
I will unplug my phone, power on and keep using until the phone fully drains and powers off on it's own again before repeating this cycle.
However, others have stated that this is NOT necessary for Lithium Ion battery and can actually damage the circuitry of the battery? I've always been under the impression that you need to do a complete & full battery drain for lithium ion batteries at least 3 -5 full cycles/times before the battery has been conditioned/optimized for capacity.
Maybe I'm wrong...after all I'm coming from a G1 and this practice helped my atrocious battery life on that dinosaur!
If this is wrong, when should I be plugging my phone back in to charge? When it gives me the first warning to charge in (battery level turns orange - I assume this about 20% battery left) or on the "critical" battery warning when the battery icon in the notification panel turns red (assuming this is about 10% battery left)?
from what I've read in the past, letting your phone drain completely down until it shuts itself off is not good for the battery. I could be wrong but thats what I've read
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from what I've read in the past, letting your phone drain completely down until it shuts itself off is not good for the battery. I could be wrong but thats what I've read
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Yeah, I've heard both sides and I've conditioned my battery for the G1 because it seemed to drain faster if I plugged it into charge when there was 30% or so still left.
Well, I've done two complete cycles so I guess I'll just try recharging when it hits the red mark next time.
When you plug in to charge? Orange, red or whenever to top off?
i plug my phone in when i go to bed. I dont care what the battery is at. I also charge it while i'm at work so when I leave, its around 90-100%. My battery rarely reaches red.
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i plug my phone in when i go to bed. I dont care what the battery is at. I also charge it while i'm at work so when I leave, its around 90-100%. My battery rarely reaches red.
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LOL - that would prematurely killed my battery capacity on the G1! I went thru two batteries before I started draining all the way down. Made a difference between 4-6 hours and 6-10 hours.
Seems like this phone doesn't need to do that tho.
But what're you getting on average for battery life and display on time then?
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i plug my phone in when i go to bed. I dont care what the battery is at. I also charge it while i'm at work so when I leave, its around 90-100%. My battery rarely reaches red.
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I do the exact same thing. First with my Captivate and now with the SGS2 and the battery life on my captivate held pretty much exactly the same charge for the entire 15 months I used it. The battery on this SGS2 seems to last about 150-175% of the Captivate battery under the same conditions. I just came back from a week on the road where I spent 9-12 hours a day away from a charger and was using my phone constantly all day long and would get back to the hotel room with 30-40% battery left. Considering I was listening to music, playing plants vs zombies and sending and reading push email constantly throughout the day I am very satisfied with the battery life on this phone. I've never done any kind of conditioning or special battery maintenance.
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LOL - that would prematurely killed my battery capacity on the G1! I went thru two batteries before I started draining all the way down. Made a difference between 4-6 hours and 6-10 hours.
Seems like this phone doesn't need to do that tho.
But what're you getting on average for battery life and display on time then?
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i stopped looking at my battery stats a long time ago. I'll peak in there once in a while but I dont really care what the stats show because I'm always around a charger. As long as I get through 12 hours or so without charging, i'm happy.
Some devices need a full drain cycle to properly calibrate the fuel gauge - ours does NOT.
Lithium ion batteries don't like deep discharging - in fact discharging them too much will permanently damage them (fortunately, all batteries sold to end users have built-in protection chips to prevent overdischarge - but do you REALLY want to rely on that chip?)
Similarly, they don't like charge being forced into them - so don't "bump charge". (Bump charging is removing and immediately reinserting the charger when the phone says charging is complete.)
For long-term storage, store them at around 50% capacity if not being used. LiIons that are stored at 100% charge lose capacity MUCH faster than ones stored at 50%.
A Li-Ion that has been sitting for a long time (months...) will develop a passivation layer that can be detrimental to performance - a few charge/discharge cycles will fix this. You don't need to do a full discharge/recharge - probably even from 90 to 70 and back up a few times should be fine.
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Some devices need a full drain cycle to properly calibrate the fuel gauge - ours does NOT.
Lithium ion batteries don't like deep discharging - in fact discharging them too much will permanently damage them (fortunately, all batteries sold to end users have built-in protection chips to prevent overdischarge - but do you REALLY want to rely on that chip?)
Similarly, they don't like charge being forced into them - so don't "bump charge". (Bump charging is removing and immediately reinserting the charger when the phone says charging is complete.)
For long-term storage, store them at around 50% capacity if not being used. LiIons that are stored at 100% charge lose capacity MUCH faster than ones stored at 50%.
A Li-Ion that has been sitting for a long time (months...) will develop a passivation layer that can be detrimental to performance - a few charge/discharge cycles will fix this. You don't need to do a full discharge/recharge - probably even from 90 to 70 and back up a few times should be fine.
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what about short charging during the course of the day? For instance, while I'm at work, I like to plug it in for a bit and then use it off the charger. Then before I leave, I charge it again for a bit. Do you think thats okay to charge the phone for short ~1 hour bursts?
No, the battery itself doesn't do well with deep discharges, but every device with one has circuitry to manage this and keep it from happening. The phone will shut off before the battery reaches a critically low discharge state. Just as it will cease charging before it blows up. Just because the phone shuts off does not mean that the battery is too low.
Assuming the phone has the proper cutoffs, it's not really any different to do two discharges to 50% or one to 100%. There have been studies that say leaving it on a charger is bad, doing two 50% cycles is worse than one 100%, etc. I've always just trusted that the phone manufacturers design the battery monitor and control circuits correctly and not worry much about it. And I've never had to replace a battery yet and always get acceptable life.
It's lithium ion, not nickel cadmium.
Full drains are bad for lithium ion.
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what about short charging during the course of the day? For instance, while I'm at work, I like to plug it in for a bit and then use it off the charger. Then before I leave, I charge it again for a bit. Do you think thats okay to charge the phone for short ~1 hour bursts?
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That's the best way to charge it.
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That's the best way to charge it.
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that makes me even more glad that its what I've been doing forever - lol
thanks
lithium ion batteries dont like being under 30%. and they also dont do well if they are kept at 80 percent or above all the time. for longest battery life don't just let it sit on the charger all day after it fully charges.
I agree with Mikey here.
Also, batteries take charging current better (less wear) at lower states of charge. That's why I put a variable-current charging algorithm into my Infuse kernels (charginghacks branch on github)
800 mA at low voltages (200 above stock), dropping to 550 near the end (50 below stock).
Unfortunately, charginghacks is likely not going to be possible with our hardware. One of the differences between the I9100 and I777 is a different battery charger circuit - ours is far less flexible.
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I agree with Mikey here.
Also, batteries take charging current better (less wear) at lower states of charge. That's why I put a variable-current charging algorithm into my Infuse kernels (charginghacks branch on github)
800 mA at low voltages (200 above stock), dropping to 550 near the end (50 below stock).
Unfortunately, charginghacks is likely not going to be possible with our hardware. One of the differences between the I9100 and I777 is a different battery charger circuit - ours is far less flexible.
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This phone actually charges with the screen on though, so it's not like the Infuse where the battery would drain with the screen on and the phone charging.
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This phone actually charges with the screen on though, so it's not like the Infuse where the battery would drain with the screen on and the phone charging.
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Infuse would charge with the screen on - but not if the screen was on AND the CPU was cranking.
(worst-case was navigation at full brightness - and I've seen reports that the I9100 also has the same problem.)
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Infuse would charge with the screen on - but not if the screen was on AND the CPU was cranking.
(worst-case was navigation at full brightness - and I've seen reports that the I9100 also has the same problem.)
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When web browsing, playing a game, or other general use late at night I'd plug the Infuse into the charger. It would still drain. Doing the same on the SGS II and it at the very least maintains it's battery level, so it's a drastic improvement over the Infuse.
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Perform shallow discharges.
Instead of discharging to 0% all the time, lithium-ion batteries do best when you discharge them for a little bit, then charge them for a little bit. The table below, from Battery University, shows that discharges to 50% are better for your battery's long-term life than, say, small discharges to 90% or large discharges to 0% (since the 50% discharges provide the best number of cycles-to-usage ratio).
Don't leave it fully charged.
Similarly, lithium-ion batteries don't need to be charged all the way to 100%. In fact, they'd prefer not to be—so the 40%-80% rule you heard is a good guideline. If you do charge it to 100%, don't leave it plugged in. This is something most of us do, but it's another thing that will degrade your battery's health.
Fully discharge it once a month.
This may seem contradictory, but hear us out. While lithium-ion batteries shouldn't be discharged regularly, most modern batteries are what's known as "smart batteries". This feature can get miscalibrated after a lot of shallow discharges. So, manufacturers recommend fully discharging your battery once a month to make sure this stays accurate.
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Is this true?
you can be as neurotic as you like over this, but it really d doesn't make a lot of difference, just enjoy your phone.
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The only big no no is to constantly discharge to below 5% and recharge . That according to the experts leads to a much shorter battery life .
Yes leaving on charge is a waste .
Wiping Battery stats does not improve battery life .
But all this is an old story posted time and again and bring nothing new .
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Yes leaving on charge is a waste
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It may be a waste but is it detrimental to the battery? I always plug my phone in when I go to bed and take it off the charger when I get up in the morning.
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It may be a waste but is it detrimental to the battery? I always plug my phone in when I go to bed and take it off the charger when I get up in the morning.
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there is a built in feature that stops charging once battery level reaches 100%. so there will be no harm to your battery. I have doing the same since gs1
My old Nokia 3510 needed a battery replacement after 4-5 years since it only held 3 days worth of charge instead of the usual 7-8.
I constantly let it discharge from 100% (overnight charging) to empty, the replacement battery cost me 5 bucks.
My Galaxy S1's battery has, after 2 years, no observable loss in capacity with overnight charging to 100% and dropping to 10-15% over 1-2 days.
A replacement battery would cost roughly 15 bucks.
I could go on the same about my Laptop, Netbook, Tablet and other devices with rechargeable Li-Ion batteries.
The point is; don't try to forcefully extend your battery life, enjoy your phone. Most people replace the phone every 1-2 years and the batteries are designed to live that long with high usage and deep-discharging. If yours should not or you plan to keep the phone longer, a replacement battery is cheap.
there is a built in feature that stops charging once battery level reaches 100%.
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All Lithium batteries have it (and need it) since there is a risk of damage, fire or even explosion when it is overcharged. That's why not the phone but the battery itself has the corresponding controller. Since the controller cannot measure the exact capacity of the battery (only an estimate), it is recomended to deep-discharge and fully charge (charge-cycle) the battery once in a while to reset the controller's counter.
Battery replacement is cheap and easy as abc. That's the benefit of having removable battery. Just enjoy your phone.
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So why do Sammy stop charging at 99%
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So why do Sammy stop charging at 99%
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Why don't you just read the thread and you will see the explanation?!
i have always been charging my samsung galaxy note and sIII overnight ever since i got them , i stil have great battery life !
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i have always been charging my samsung galaxy note and sIII overnight ever since i got them , i stil have great battery life !
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Same here. No broblem.
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Still no one answered my question... :silly:
Is the small 40%-80% charges better for the long-term battery life?
Hey, just wanted to let you guys(and gals) know that this app works perfectly on our axons: Battery Charge Limit.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002
It does exactly as the name suggests, stops the battery from charging beyond a certain percentage, thus for example if you set a limit of 80%, your battery will preserve its health for around 1500 cycles instead of 500 cycles of charging to 100% before degrading by ~20% of its total capacity.
Enjoy the app guys, tested on B19, stock kernel, rooted.
So the way to have 1500 cycles is to only use 70% of battery at best. Because going under 10% is not exactly good for the battery either. I don't want to have an even worse battery life, so I think I'll pass, thanks though!
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Hey, just wanted to let you guys(and gals) know that this app works perfectly on our axons: Battery Charge Limit.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002
It does exactly as the name suggests, stops the battery from charging beyond a certain percentage, thus for example if you set a limit of 80%, your battery will preserve its health for around 1500 cycles instead of 500 cycles of charging to 100% before degrading by ~20% of its total capacity.
Enjoy the app guys, tested on B19, stock kernel, rooted.
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Don't go under 90ish as you will stop charging whilst quick charging and will damage the battery even more than if you didn't use the mod so just be carefull
Nik2424 said:
Hey, just wanted to let you guys(and gals) know that this app works perfectly on our axons: Battery Charge Limit.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002
It does exactly as the name suggests, stops the battery from charging beyond a certain percentage, thus for example if you set a limit of 80%, your battery will preserve its health for around 1500 cycles instead of 500 cycles of charging to 100% before degrading by ~20% of its total capacity.
Enjoy the app guys, tested on B19, stock kernel, rooted.
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Dont let them fool you, you dont need this app. The charging controller of your phone actually already has its safety margin built in. Same on the low end. This means you can not charge your phone to its physical maximum anyway, it will show 100% whipe the physical charge in fact is ~95% and will shutdown showing 0% while physically there is still about 10% of power left. So your battery is safe from this kind of damage anyway.
If you want to extend your batterys lifetime for real, try to charge it as often as you can, keep the charge as high as possible. Flat charging is the magic word. This is what your charging controller does when your phone is connected to ps for longer when it shows 100%, it in fact lets it deplate 2% without showing and then charges it back, thats called trickle charging and is the best treatment practice for our bateries.
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FadeFx said:
Dont let them fool you, you dont need this app. The charging controller of your phone actually already has its safety margin built in. Same on the low end. This means you can not charge your phone to its physical maximum anyway, it will show 100% whipe the physical charge in fact is ~95% and will shutdown showing 0% while physically there is still about 10% of power left. So your battery is safe from this kind of damage anyway.
If you want to extend your batterys lifetime for real, try to charge it as often as you can, keep the charge as high as possible. Flat charging is the magic word. This is what your charging controller does when your phone is connected to ps for longer when it shows 100%, it in fact lets it deplate 2% without showing and then charges it back, thats called trickle charging and is the best treatment practice for our bateries.
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Samdung pretty much confirmed they do this (or better) in the S8 and later (and possibly the S7). But has any other company confirmed they have battery longevity tactics built in?
Personally I use AccuBattery since I've had it for a long time as a charge alarm/monitoring tool. I use a 1 amp charger instead of the 3 amp charger that comes with it and charge my phone at low amps and voltage which prevents the battery from heating up. So low charge, low heat. I don't want a degraded battery in a year because I don't know when I'm replacing this thing.
Cyrus D. said:
Samdung pretty much confirmed they do this (or better) in the S8 and later (and possibly the S7). But has any other company confirmed they have battery longevity tactics built in?
Personally I use AccuBattery since I've had it for a long time as a charge alarm/monitoring tool. I use a 1 amp charger instead of the 3 amp charger that comes with it and charge my phone at low amps and voltage which prevents the battery from heating up. So low charge, low heat. I don't want a degraded battery in a year because I don't know when I'm replacing this thing.
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What's you battery health percentage/capacity now? and for how long did u have your phone? Do you charge from 0-100 daily?
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What's you battery health percentage/capacity now? and for how long did u have your phone? Do you charge from 0-100 daily?
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AccuBattery is no good for giving an accurate estimate of the actual capacity when you're charging at low %s. For first 50% it'll calculate something like 3500mAH+, for the last 50% it'll estimate 2000 or lower. If I had to give you a rough estimate of what I actually think it's at, it's roughly 2900-3000mAH. When I first got it, I estimate it was around 3100-3200 a year ago. I HATE that phones no longer have replaceable batteries. That's half the reason I wanted an LG V20, I could just murder the battery and just pop in a new one every year. Sadly the V30 is sealed, following the BS trend of planned obsolescence. Thanks Apple.
Oh and I almost forgot, I typically charge my phone from 20% to 50% after it drops 30%. Then sometimes once more if I use it some more. On average I charge about 50% worth a day without going over 50%. Even with such light battery usage, keeping the battery 30C or lower 99% of time, and keeping the voltage below 4.1 again 99%, it's still degraded at least roughly 200mAH in a year. Rarely when I know I'll need longer battery life I charge it to 80%. It's a cheap quality battery. ZTE cut corners. This was my first, and unless I have no other reasonable options, it'll likely be my last ZTE phone.
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AccuBattery is no good for giving an accurate estimate of the actual capacity when you're charging at low %s. For first 50% it'll calculate something like 3500mAH+, for the last 50% it'll estimate 2000 or lower. If I had to give you a rough estimate of what I actually think it's at, it's roughly 2900-3000mAH. When I first got it, I estimate it was around 3100-3200 a year ago. I HATE that phones no longer have replaceable batteries. That's half the reason I wanted an LG V20, I could just murder the battery and just pop in a new one every year. Sadly the V30 is sealed, following the BS trend of planned obsolescence. Thanks Apple.
Oh and I almost forgot, I typically charge my phone from 20% to 50% after it drops 30%. Then sometimes once more if I use it some more. On average I charge about 50% worth a day without going over 50%. Even with such light battery usage, keeping the battery 30C or lower 99% of time, and keeping the voltage below 4.1 again 99%, it's still degraded at least roughly 200mAH in a year. Rarely when I know I'll need longer battery life I charge it to 80%. It's a cheap quality battery. ZTE cut corners. This was my first, and unless I have no other reasonable options, it'll likely be my last ZTE phone.
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can you TL;DR this for me?
-So i better keep charge between 20% and 80% yes?
my old sony phone form 2011 still works nicely, as it had Quality battery (over 2000 cycles already) yeah does not last long 2/3 but still. useable.
And i agree, replaceable batteries is must have function, My old S3 and S4 worked for "ever" because of that, every year new battery and another year of usage! (s3 still going strong since 2012 !!! )
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AccuBattery is no good for giving an accurate estimate of the actual capacity when you're charging at low %s. For first 50% it'll calculate something like 3500mAH+, for the last 50% it'll estimate 2000 or lower. If I had to give you a rough estimate of what I actually think it's at, it's roughly 2900-3000mAH. When I first got it, I estimate it was around 3100-3200 a year ago. I HATE that phones no longer have replaceable batteries. That's half the reason I wanted an LG V20, I could just murder the battery and just pop in a new one every year. Sadly the V30 is sealed, following the BS trend of planned obsolescence. Thanks Apple.
Oh and I almost forgot, I typically charge my phone from 20% to 50% after it drops 30%. Then sometimes once more if I use it some more. On average I charge about 50% worth a day without going over 50%. Even with such light battery usage, keeping the battery 30C or lower 99% of time, and keeping the voltage below 4.1 again 99%, it's still degraded at least roughly 200mAH in a year. Rarely when I know I'll need longer battery life I charge it to 80%. It's a cheap quality battery. ZTE cut corners. This was my first, and unless I have no other reasonable options, it'll likely be my last ZTE phone.
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Apple has been using enclosed batteries for like 10 years or so.
You can do better than the app by setting a lower maximum voltage on the Axon 7 instead. I posted about the discovery awhile back on that thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74746734&postcount=1353
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Pruikki said:
can you TL;DR this for me?
-So i better keep charge between 20% and 80% yes?
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Essentially, yes, that's what I keep hearing whenever I dig for information. If any of the stats of AccuBattery are accurate at all then it also supports that going over 80% causes multiple times the degradation that charging up to just 80% would. These days I try not to go over 70% based on app estimates of degradation. These days I need more than the 50% I was previously charging to.
I really miss the option to turn off the fast charging (it is present on my Note 4, for example). I don't need the fast charging, because I charge the phone mostly at nights. And I'm almost sure, that the fast charging will degrade the battery more, than the regular charging.
The thing is, the Mate 10 isn't officially available in my country, so I will not be able to change the battery (don't really want to disassemble it myself).
What do you think, will it be preferable to use my Note 4 charger (Mate 10 should use it as a regular 5V/2A charger), or maybe the native Huawei charger may somehow be more friendly? Maybe, any recomendations?
Btw, did batteries get any better in the past 3-4 years? Can I expect the Mate 10's battery to degrade slower, than the Note 4's battery? (it degraded noticably in a year, even without a fast charging)
DoubleThinker said:
I really miss the option to turn off the fast charging (it is present on my Note 4, for example). I don't need the fast charging, because I charge the phone mostly at nights. And I'm almost sure, that the fast charging will degrade the battery more, than the regular charging.
The thing is, the Mate 10 isn't officially available in my country, so I will not be able to change the battery (don't really want to disassemble it myself).
What do you think, will it be preferable to use my Note 4 charger (Mate 10 should use it as a regular 5V/2A charger), or maybe the native Huawei charger may somehow be more friendly? Maybe, any recomendations?
Btw, did batteries get any better in the past 3-4 years? Can I expect the Mate 10's battery to degrade slower, than the Note 4's battery? (it degraded noticably in a year, even without a fast charging)
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You can control battery degradation with accubattery on playstore. Very great app.
Better to charge to 80 % max in order to degrade battery slower.
App gives good advices et a lot of infos.
Moreover, yes, supercharger probably degrade battery a bit faster but I think it's negligible
sonydesouza said:
You can control battery degradation with accubattery on playstore. Very great app.
Better to charge to 80 % max in order to degrade battery slower.
App gives good advices et a lot of infos.
Moreover, yes, supercharger probably degrade battery a bit faster but I think it's negligible
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Thanks, but I don't see it a handy solution, to be honest. I charge the phone at night, so I can't stop the charging at 80%.
DoubleThinker said:
Thanks, but I don't see it a handy solution, to be honest. I charge the phone at night, so I can't stop the charging at 80%.
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It's the point.
It's a mistake!
sonydesouza said:
It's the point.
It's a mistake!
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We're automatizing anything we can, and you're suggesting to wait for a notification everytime I charge, to pull of the charging cable. Wrong or not, but I'll stick with the "plug in and forget" option, cause its really easier to disassemble the phone once in a 1.5-2 years and change the battery, than to wait it charging to 80% every other day So, the questions about the charger selection and battery improvements in past 3-4 years remain open
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We're automatizing anything we can, and you're suggesting to wait for a notification everytime I charge, to pull of the charging cable. Wrong or not, but I'll stick with the "plug in and forget" option, cause its really easier to disassemble the phone once in a 1.5-2 years and change the battery, than to wait it charging to 80% every other day So, the questions about the charger selection and battery improvements in past 3-4 years remain open
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Ok as you want dude but honestly have a normal charger is useless..
Are there any studies that prove that fast charging can degrade the battery performance faster?
A shower and breakfast is all the time it takes to charge to 80%.
worldsoutro said:
Are there any studies that prove that fast charging can degrade the battery performance faster?
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Speaking as an electronics engineer (and not as an expert on batteries), I'd suggest that "slow and steady" will always be kinder to the battery, no matter how much technological work has gone into preventing the battery from destroying itself through fast charging.
Keep the SuperCharge charger that came with your 'phone handy in case you need an emergency top-up, but for overnight charges use an el-cheapo 1A USB charger. It'll be more than enough to bring you to 100% by the morning, and there'll be no chance of crystallising/drying-out the battery's electrolyte.
Cephalus said:
Speaking as an electronics engineer (and not as an expert on batteries), I'd suggest that "slow and steady" will always be kinder to the battery, no matter how much technological work has gone into preventing the battery from destroying itself through fast charging.
Keep the SuperCharge charger that came with your 'phone handy in case you need an emergency top-up, but for overnight charges use an el-cheapo 1A USB charger. It'll be more than enough to bring you to 100% by the morning, and there'll be no chance of crystallising/drying-out the battery's electrolyte.
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You're probably right but science proves now that the most important thing in order to maintain battery is to charge it to 80 % max.
Your point is to be kinder to the battery right?
Better way is to charge it less than fully.
But, anyway, you're want to be stubborn ?. So, buy a normal charger, charge phone fully the night and don't cry after if you're battery doesn't work well.
And to answer to your "question" better is to buy a huawei charger if you don't want for sure any problem...
its not a good maner to compare note 4 with mate 10
samsung usually uses low quality batteries in cell phones
but after s6 and note 5 it improved the quality
about huawei's batteries
the batteries are in high quality state
my brother has huawei honor 3c lte. he bought it around of 5 years ago. after years we couldnt realize a significant weakness.
so dont worry about mate 10 and its super charge
im sure that your device will be working in a good condition
This is app is a must have and thought I'd share. Like everywhere I have read, they say battery should not be charged to 100%, it will hurt the battery somehow. This app "Battery Charge Limit" automatically (with root) stops charging the phone at whatever percent you want and starts charging back up at whatever percent you want. So you can always stop before it hits 100. It can be used without root but it only notifies you and you have to manually unplug the phone to stop charging. Better with root since its automatic.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slash.batterychargelimit
Ndaoud360 said:
it will hurt the battery somehow.
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Don't charge to 100%
Slow charge only
Don't quick charge
Don't use wireless charger because it heats up the battery
Lower brightness to 10% for best battery life
Disable wifi/lte/nfc/bluetooth for best battery life
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Enjoy your $1000 phone!
peachpuff said:
Don't charge to 100%
Slow charge only
Don't quick charge
Don't use wireless charger because it heats up the battery
Lower brightness to 10% for best battery life
Disable wifi/lte/nfc/bluetooth for best battery life
...
Enjoy your $1000 phone!
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Keep it turned off for a better batter longevity ??
Damn thos people are more preocupied of how to prevent the battery wear than actually enjoying this amazing phone
Well coming from an HTC device where after like what 6 months, my battery starts dying much quicker and hopefully this app and the nature of Samsung makes my phone battery last longer. Never owned a Samsung, so I don't know how the battery lasts over time.
This is a myth, modern phones already prevent damage from overcharging with the charge controller in the phone. Fast charging and slow charging also does not make a difference in battery longevity.
Just use your phone like a phone.
Yeah no
@nukeclears you need to bone up a bit more on battery chemistry before making statements like this. Overcharging is very different from charging to 80%. That's why Apple just implemented a charge limit in ios13 and Tesla strongly recommend charging to 80/90% max for daily use. Samsung just don't want to do this because they haven't felt enough pressure. I'll bet they implement it on the S11 and then for all phones by the end of the year.
Tab S4 has a setting to stop charging at 80%
You guys do need to go through all this? For what?
I have a Note 3 with battery since 2014 or 15, it still gives me the same power, sometimes it's better than it first was.
Charging fast/slow doesn't affect anything, I'm doing so for years.
I really don't think batteries die, if you felt it's weakening, just change OS, not the battery.
Samsung themselves, on the s10 series, suggest to charge from 30% to 80% everytime you need a charge.
In my daily usage, stopping charge to 90% is enough and I have all the juice i need till the next day.
If you are rooted, Battery Charge Limit app can be very useful to optimize the life of your battery (remember: battery is the first hardware component that ages your phone). On my 2015's Sony phone, they wanted me to pay 75 euros for battery replacement...
This thread is full of people who know nothing of batteries.
I bet your phone battery does "feel" the same after years when your os pushed that update that permanently limited your frequencys lmao.
peachpuff said:
Don't charge to 100%
Slow charge only
Don't quick charge
Don't use wireless charger because it heats up the battery
Lower brightness to 10% for best battery life
Disable wifi/lte/nfc/bluetooth for best battery life
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Enjoy your $1000 phone!
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Enjoy replacing it every year because phone batteries are becoming more commonly HARD GLUED into place. So go ahead, switch the whole phone out.