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Hello.
I wanna to ask you for something - stock earphones from L9 has got 18 OHm impedance, but if I plug in earphones with 16 OHm impedance will broke my phone/DAC/jack or something other?
I wanna to buy Panasonic HJE120. Will be ok, or not?
Thanks for reply!
It's alright
I hate that not enough people use RMAA or just test these things (unless they're high-end devices). My NuForce NE-700Ms have 16ohms impedance, and they sound fabulous. The source impedance for the L9 has not yet been tested, but they at least seem to be able to drive my IEMs with little/no fuss.
On that note, I'll probably switch to an Optimus G. Source impedance of 1.89ohms places it just above the iPhone 4S (first [tested] smartphone to do that, as far as I know), and overall audio output is impressively low on distortion.
So, I haven't got any problem with 16OHm earphones, yeah?
mosak said:
So, I haven't got any problem with 16OHm earphones, yeah?
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Too much of worries with so much of details, may leads to heart problems after few years. I would have just plug in and use it without asking anyone. At least I am sure the headphone does not explode in my years. lolz
Hi.
2 OHM's difference can't broke your phone but this headphones will be little bit louder than stock.
http://www.amazon.de/dp/B007F906Q2/...and=476253706331216390&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=
i use this ones, hope that helps. stock jb rooted...,poweramp profile for headset, tasker turns headphone to max vol because controller at the cable.
beautifuel musik, heasdset!!! in ear, tel extrem good, test in wind and little storm...
If the music stutters in Poweramp when the mobile is in lock state, increase audio buffer one notch. Headset button controller app is also fine for volume setting, however, button long press is reserved by JB in contrary to ICS.
On my various Nokia phones, the volume limiter annihilated any volume differences between 16 and 32 ohm headsets to keep the phone and mainly you healthy. ****ing EU law.
I got my LG V30 this week but I can't tell the difference between dac on or off. I've used Tidal on Hifi mode, streaming a 24/192 from the NAS using Shure se846 earbuds. When I toggle DAC on/off and don't look, I can't honestly tell the difference even at high volume. I would expect the dac on to be louder?
It sounds nice but compared it to my old Galaxy S7 no major difference.
Can you audibly tell when dac is on or off? Is there any way to get diagnostics or geek stats to see if something is wrong?
GJ
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I got my LG V30 this week but I can't tell the difference between dac on or off. I've used Tidal on Hifi mode, streaming a 24/192 from the NAS using Shure se846 earbuds. When I toggle DAC on/off and don't look, I can't honestly tell the difference even at high volume. I would expect the dac on to be louder?
It sounds nice but compared it to my old Galaxy S7 no major difference.
Can you audibly tell when dac is on or off? Is there any way to get diagnostics or geek stats to see if something is wrong?
GJ
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Same here, LG V30plus. To me, with or without DAC, almost same quality, using tidal hifi, lg music player, spotify. I can say that on S7 the bass was more present, using the right setup and a pair of Soundmagic E10. I am little bit disappointed but maybe we are rookies in using the right setup or headphones. I have the BO-s that were in the box with the phone. and the volume is way too weak.
I've got my V30 for a week now. First time I listened with pretty decent (low impedance) in-ears I had the same impression as you. DAC on sounded even worse than off. Second time I did an A/B comparison against an Oppo find 7 which is no slouch in sound output, and everything was fine. DAC on was better then off and my V30 was on par with the Oppo. Today I was in the mood for some music, and DAC on is again bad.
I have no idea what is going on, besides a bad manufactured V30. Or being a rookie
@gjvdkamp
Shure SE846 has a 9 Ohm impedance only. To trigger the Dac you have to use a >50 ohm one.
@all
You can easy check the Dac with
Hi-Fi Status (LG) app. This app is currently for free on Google Store.
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@gjvdkamp
Shure SE846 has a 9 Ohm impedance only. To trigger the Dac you have to use a >50 ohm one.
@all
You can easy check the Dac with
Hi-Fi Status (LG) app. This app is currently for free on Google Store.
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Hi Fi Dac works with < 50ohm device, the High Impedance mode needs > 50ohm.
You can trigger the Quad Dac in the quick menu or hold the icon for more options.
The Hi-Fi DAC is not amperage dependent. It's either enabled or off when you insert a headset or device into the 3.5 jack. Of course, first time, you will have to activate the Hi-Fi DAC on the main drop down menu, and you can always turn it on or off when a headset is connected. Amp section should automatically determine what type of amperage device is connected to the V30 and adjust high impedance mode accordingly. Or, you can force a higher impedance mode with an inline connector if you prefer.
Hey guys I was wondering if anyone in this V30 forum could help me out. I am looking to get a new device and my main interest is audio. I use my phone as my daily mp3 player in my car via Bluetooth. I cannot find any real answers anywhere I look. I am stuck between the new S9 and the V30. My main question is, does the DAC work via Bluetooth? I know the Dolby Atmos will but its not that customizable (only a few pre-set options). Can someone explain the V30's capabilities (tuning, adjusting, customizing via Bluetooth) and if you feel the S9 would be a better option for my situation? All the vids and write-ups I could find don't help at all. Thanks for any feed back, much appreciated.
The Bluetooth is digital; the DAC won't benefit you when using Bluetooth.
when playing music through the bluetooth Galaxy s9 will be a much better choice. Even on the headphones with the dolby atmos activated is really very good.
I have used both the devices and unless you are going to root LG v30 to get viper4android or Dolby Atmos s9 is the one to go
If you already have some high quality head phones then may be you can give v30 a try
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when playing music through the bluetooth Galaxy s9 will be a much better choice. Even on the headphones with the dolby atmos activated is really very good.
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why will S9 be a MUCH BETTER choice?
what makes S9 so awesome on bluetooth?
Because V30 is not the best for me in this respect and in s9 dolby atmos also works by bluetooth and really gives a great effect.
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Hey guys I was wondering if anyone in this V30 forum could help me out. I am looking to get a new device and my main interest is audio. I use my phone as my daily mp3 player in my car via Bluetooth. I cannot find any real answers anywhere I look. I am stuck between the new S9 and the V30. My main question is, does the DAC work via Bluetooth? I know the Dolby Atmos will but its not that customizable (only a few pre-set options). Can someone explain the V30's capabilities (tuning, adjusting, customizing via Bluetooth) and if you feel the S9 would be a better option for my situation? All the vids and write-ups I could find don't help at all. Thanks for any feed back, much appreciated.
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The Quad DAC is audio processor for wired components via the 3.5mm headset jack -- normally headphones but some have used auxiliary cable to connect to car stereo.
Has nothing to do with Bluetooth.
The quad DAC will give you the BEST audio possible. Period. But your headphones or car stereo must be physically connected to your V30.
Yes the V30 has also Bluetooth, just like every other Android phones for the past several years. But Bluetooth has nothing to do with headset jack.
No Bluetooth headset can match high quality wired headset with a quad DAC.
If you must use Bluetooth, then that's another question.
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Because V30 is not the best for me in this respect and in s9 dolby atmos also works by bluetooth and really gives a great effect.
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dolby atmos is not even hardware... it's software and it has been ported to oreo.
at this moment you cannot match the v30's DAC's quality with any phone.
and music through bluetooth sound like s*** compared to how it sounds through a wire... (asuming you have a good source and, in some cases, you can physically hear the difference (i met people who were slighty deaf and they could not hear the differences))
you could try poweramp with it's effects and DVC.
Do not tell me stupid about some ports because they are hopeless. I had s9 plus and dolby atmos in s9 is not the same as in the ports for other devices. There is not the smallest comparison. Even on wired headphones with s9 sounds great, there is nothing missing from it. And do not say that the V30 is such a miracle in terms of music because it is not like that at all. It plays very well when the amplifier that fills up the sound is played, without it the s9 with the dolby listens more pleasantly.
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Do not tell me stupid about some ports because they are hopeless. I had s9 plus and dolby atmos in s9 is not the same as in the ports for other devices. There is not the smallest comparison. Even on wired headphones with s9 sounds great, there is nothing missing from it. And do not say that the V30 is such a miracle in terms of music because it is not like that at all. It plays very well when the amplifier that fills up the sound is played, without it the s9 with the dolby listens more pleasantly.
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Skit, please don't drink-and-post. Put the keyboard down. Back away from the keyboard.
You're confusing two topics.
The LG V30 has far superior wired audio over any other mainstream cellphone. That's one of the calling cards. Nothing else is close. It's okay if you can't hear the difference; the S9 is better than anything you could buy a decade ago, and without really good cans (headphones), hardly anybody would notice. You won't notice with hyper-compressed 120Kbps mp3s, just as that "enhance photo" scene from the original Blade Runner was crap. But the V30 Quad-DAC really is the best... if your music was compressed with enough quality, your earphones are good enough and you're wired.
Not that kind of "wired" you are while writing your semi-coherent rants. The other kind.
Now to Bluetooth...
The LG V30 supports aptX bluetooth. So does the Samsung Galaxy S9. This is the top-end Bluetooth "codec", often coined "CD quality." Which really means, "better than FM radio, better than low-bitrate MP3, but not so great." Remember, CDs came out in 1982. Which was probably before you were born.
So what happens with the music? If you're listening via wired cans (the DAC), the Quad-DAC applies a lot of math (FFTs, smoothing, psycho acoustics) and tries to make the music as great as it can be. Roughly the equivalent of anti-aliasing an image. The S9 doesn't have all of that, so it will sound a smidge harsher, just a shade less accurate... but still better than anything a decade ago. And Bluetooth... on either one - the LG V30 and Samsung S9 have precisely exactly the same best-case aptX sound, because it's from your headphones, not the phone... will sound like something from three-and-a-half decades ago. Which was amazing at the time, and is good enough for an airplane, or low-cost earbuds, or if you're listing to hip-hop or rap, etc. But in those cases, why are you pontificating?
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Skit, please don't drink-and-post. Put the keyboard down. Back away from the keyboard.
You're confusing two topics.
The LG V30 has far superior wired audio over any other mainstream cellphone. That's one of the calling cards. Nothing else is close. It's okay if you can't hear the difference; the S9 is better than anything you could buy a decade ago, and without really good cans (headphones), hardly anybody would notice. You won't notice with hyper-compressed 120Kbps mp3s, just as that "enhance photo" scene from the original Blade Runner was crap. But the V30 Quad-DAC really is the best... if your music was compressed with enough quality, your earphones are good enough and you're wired.
Not that kind of "wired" you are while writing your semi-coherent rants. The other kind.
Now to Bluetooth...
The LG V30 supports aptX bluetooth. So does the Samsung Galaxy S9. This is the top-end Bluetooth "codec", often coined "CD quality." Which really means, "better than FM radio, better than low-bitrate MP3, but not so great." Remember, CDs came out in 1982. Which was probably before you were born.
So what happens with the music? If you're listening via wired cans (the DAC), the Quad-DAC applies a lot of math (FFTs, smoothing, psycho acoustics) and tries to make the music as great as it can be. Roughly the equivalent of anti-aliasing an image. The S9 doesn't have all of that, so it will sound a smidge harsher, just a shade less accurate... but still better than anything a decade ago. And Bluetooth... on either one - the LG V30 and Samsung S9 have precisely exactly the same best-case aptX sound, because it's from your headphones, not the phone... will sound like something from three-and-a-half decades ago. Which was amazing at the time, and is good enough for an airplane, or low-cost earbuds, or if you're listing to hip-hop or rap, etc. But in those cases, why are you pontificating?
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Just to continue the point, Bluetooth audio still requires a DAC or Digital Analog Converter. However the DAC in use when using Bluetooth audio is in the head unit of your car stereo, not in your phone. When you play music via Bluetooth, your sending a digital signal to your "headphones" (in this case your car stereo), where it pulls the muscle of converting the digital signal into an analog waveform that can be played back by your speakers. This is why the same sound file sounds different when played back through your hi-fi system when compared to your car stereo. They use different DACs.
If I'm not mistaken (if I am please correct me), Dolby Atmos is software processing applied to the digital signal before it reaches the DAC, which is why it works over Bluetooth.
Im pretty sure people have made a big mistake in their recommendation to you. The LG V30 has the high quality bluetooth audio feature along with its Quad DAC. Not just wired audio will benefit from it. Its designed for Hi-Fi bluetooth too.
The V30 has Qualcomms new aptX HD Bluetooth Codec. Which Samsung does not. LG are still retaining their place at top of the Wireless leaderboard with this device.
Samsung obviously cannot have aptX if it does not have a Qualcomm processor or chipset.
Hindustani1990 said:
I have used both the devices and unless you are going to root LG v30 to get viper4android or Dolby Atmos s9 is the one to go
If you already have some high quality head phones then may be you can give v30 a try
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Please don't post this BS information.
If you are running V4A, your Quad Dac is not working.
The music will have a down sample and an up sample.
V4A is for devices without a Quad Dac.
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Just get the V30 if you are looking for audio.
I've used the v30 before i got my s9+, the audio quality that s9 delivers is nothing compared to what i get from my V30,I still go back to my v30 when I have to listen to my favourite beats. The v30 has a hardware advantage over the samsung. And both the phones have Bluetooth 5.0 support so you won't have any troubles playing audio via Bluetooth, but if you are looking for a superrior audio quality get a LG v30 with a good set of wired earphones/headphones. Sorry for any grammatical errors, English isn't my first language.
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Because V30 is not the best for me in this respect and in s9 dolby atmos also works by bluetooth and really gives a great effect.
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Surprised to hear Dolby Atmos on Bluetooth. It's has to do something with speakers.
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I've used the v30 before i got my s9+, the audio quality that s9 delivers is nothing compared to what i get from my V30,I still go back to my v30 when I have to listen to my favourite beats. The v30 has a hardware advantage over the samsung. And both the phones have Bluetooth 5.0 support so you won't have any troubles playing audio via Bluetooth, but if you are looking for a superrior audio quality get a LG v30 with a good set of wired earphones/headphones. Sorry for any grammatical errors, English isn't my first language.
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Also, since you wrote that post a few months ago, we now have DTS 3D Surround sound on rooted V30, since LG put the DTS framework in the phones with recent updates. DTS is available on both wired AND wireless (Bluetooth) connections.
Why rooted? Because even though the libs are there, for some reason LG hasn't yet enabled it on unrooted stock firmware. But it's still a fantastic development, as long as you have most recent firmware. @JohnFawkes is enabling it on his TWRP-flashable zips, so you don't need to anything except flash Magkisk before rebooting (which you would do anyway). If you are not using one of his zips, then use the linked Guide above.
ChazzMatt said:
The Quad DAC is audio processor for wired components via the 3.5mm headset jack -- normally headphones but some have used auxiliary cable to connect to car stereo.
Has nothing to do with Bluetooth.
The quad DAC will give you the BEST audio possible. Period. But your headphones or car stereo must be physically connected to your V30.
Yes the V30 has also Bluetooth, just like every other Android phones for the past several years. But Bluetooth has nothing to do with headset jack.
No Bluetooth headset can match high quality wired headset with a quad DAC.
If you must use Bluetooth, then that's another question.
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DTS libs though lol, doubt s9 or really any phone has anything like that over bluetooth
Hello guys
I have ordered impedance adapter from ebay the one @ChazzMatt have mentioned at many posts
Before using that i wanted to ask that will it work fine with custom mixer path tavils file that is included in anxiousv30 which provides dual speaker and volume boost
or will i have to restore the original mixer path tavil stock file
also can i use impedance adapter with aux cables in car or not ? i mean its safe or not ?
Ali1228 said:
Hello guys
I have ordered impedance adapter from ebay the one @ChazzMatt have mentioned at many posts
Before using that i wanted to ask that will it work fine with custom mixer path tavils file that is included in anxiousv30 which provides dual speaker and volume boost
or will i have to restore the original mixer path tavil stock file
also can i use impedance adapter with aux cables in car or not ? i mean its safe or not ?
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Really don't need High Impedance.
Also don't use the adapter with AUX cables. I'm honestly trying to figure out why anybody would do that in the first place.
Edit, when plugging in the AUX cables, the device will go into AUX mode.
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The V30 in aux mode outputs the same level at max volume as my desktop Teac UD-301 DAC. You do not need more.
The whole boosting to high impedance mode is foolishness.
There are some headphones that need the 2 Vrms power of HIM vs the 1 Vrms of Aux mode. Planar magnetics in particular require a lot juice.
Playing at a lower volume level in HIM as opposed to at max volume in Normal or Aux mode may also slightly affect SnR, although we haven't been able to measure that objectively.
But I agree that going through hoops to force HIM with high sensitivity IEMs, only to turn volume way down is, well... :cyclops:
There is a persistent myth, going back to the V10, that HIM is needed to (fully) activate the ESS DAC, and that's what drives it.
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Playing at a lower volume level in HIM as opposed to at max volume in Normal or Aux mode may also slightly affect SnR, although we haven't been able to measure that objectively.
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He was asking for his AUX cables for his car.
TheDannemand said:
There is a persistent myth, going back to the V10, that HIM is needed to (fully) activate the ESS DAC, and that's what drives it.
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I figured out why not to long ago.
LG is marketing high impedance as pure HiFi without mentioning the type of headgear that is giving high impedance. It's just marketing gimmick. Sure, full sized cans will give better sound while also going over 50 ohms. It would have been awesome if LG actually explained what they meant by having a better experience on high impedance.
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He was asking for his AUX cables for his car.
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Yes. I wasn't so much responding to that. I was merely pointing out that, while most of the HIM chasing is indeed unnecessary, there are a few cases where the extra power is needed, and where HIM is not triggered automatically.
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Yes. I wasn't so much responding to that. I was merely pointing out that, while most of the HIM chasing is indeed unnecessary, there are a few cases where the extra power is needed, and where HIM is not triggered automatically.
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Oh I agree man!
I also did a test on my 30 ohms IEM. Used an adapter to trigger high impedance. Talk about degrading audio quality.
All the people chasing high impedance is from misinformation. However as you always point out, some gear needs it though.
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Ok so i currently own a pair of kz zs10 which have 32ohm impedance so i guess using adapter with them is going to be worth it or not?
Ali1228 said:
Ok so i currently own a pair of kz zs10 which have 32ohm impedance so i guess using adapter with them is going to be worth it or not?
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I used it with high quality 35ohm earbuds, but then later after rooting, I used Anxious V30 module to get forced HIM. So, I no longer need to use impedance adapter to force HIM.
This quad DAC will try to give you the best sound, depending on what you have connected to it. So, that's why some say you don't need the impedance adapters.
But the impedance adapters are just to do what the Anxious V30 module does (force HIM or the equivalent) or whiskeyomega's audio mods. If people don't want to do that, they don't have to.
Ali1228 said:
Ok so i currently own a pair of kz zs10 which have 32ohm impedance so i guess using adapter with them is going to be worth it or not?
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Noooooooo
The distortion is horrendous! Mostly I guess due to the BA. You don't want Anxious mod either. You can possibly kill the IEM's. I would HIGHLY recommend not using a mod. You don't need forced HIM with the KZ.
Also grab this
US $11.69 83%OFF | HiFiHear 16 Core Silver Plated Cable 2.5/3.5/4.4mm Balanced Cable With MMCX/2pin Connector For LZ A5 HQ5 HQ6 ZS10 ZS6 AS10 ED16
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You will thank me later. Trust me on this.
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Ali1228 said:
Ok so i currently own a pair of kz zs10 which have 32ohm impedance so i guess using adapter with them is going to be worth it or not?
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Also take a look here,
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/accessories/budget-earbuds-dac-t3714785/page8
I showed SS of the 3rd party cable I bought for my CCA C10. They can also be used with the KZ ZS10 Pro.
However, I have another cable on the way just for the KZ.
US $15.55 35%OFF | Yinyoo 16 Core High Purity Silver Plated Cable 2.5/3.5/4.4MM With MMCX/2PIN/QDC Connector For ZS10 Pro AS10 AS16 AS12 ZSN PRO
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Obviously you have a choice of whatever color you want. This particular color is out of an aesthetic choice. The cable is for audio. I also noticed I set the volume down lower with the cable. You do get a bit of volume boost . If you find the volume not loud enough, it's because of stock cable.
This really does help the KZ and CCA sound better. I've tried every genre of sound. 3+ hours going between songs and cables and both IEM'S. So it's not placebo.
I can always host high rez files that I used. Just pm me if you want some good examples.
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ChazzMatt said:
I used it with high quality 35ohm earbuds, but then later after rooting, I used Anxious V30 module to get forced HIM. So, I no longer need to use impedance adapter to force HIM.
This quad DAC will try to give you the best sound, depending on what you have connected to it. So, that's why some say you don't need the impedance adapters.
But the impedance adapters are just to do what the Anxious V30 module does (force HIM or the equivalent) or whiskeyomega's audio mods. If people don't want to do that, they don't have to.
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My doubts are, can i root my V30Plus even after Pie update? is it possible.
And also can i update Lib files for DTS?
P.K.Shivaram said:
My doubts are, can i root my V30Plus even after Pie update? is it possible.
And also can i update Lib files for DTS?
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All V30 variants can be rooted.
ROOT Your LG V30!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/how-to/root-v30-t3927154
The Root Sticky specifically talks about DTS. . Bottom of post #1.
I use my phone with 16Ω, 32Ω and 60Ω IEMs/Headphones and I don't care about impedance mode. Sound quality is the same whatever mode you're in, it just gives more power/volume that's it.
If you feel that your headphones are underpowered even at max volume, that's when you should think about these hacks. In most cases it's useless and not recommended.
Hello, I was reading something that the V30 only uses the ES9218P DAC Chip when you insert a super high quality ear phone, can some one comment as to whether this is true? And if so, is there a mod or something to force it to use the chip at all times?
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Hello, I was reading something that the V30 only uses the ES9218P DAC Chip when you insert a super high quality ear phone, can some one comment as to whether this is true? And if so, is there a mod or something to force it to use the chip at all times?
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If you're on stock firmware the quad DAC is used all the time. However, how many of the quad (four) DAC channels are activated depends on the impedance of your headphones. Usually about 50 ohms for all four.
There are mods (requires root) to force High Impedance Mode (HIM) no matter what headset you're using. That's not always best if you're using low quality headset/earbuds.
I use a version of forced HIM -- using Anxious V30 mod, but she toned it down in later versions of the mod to only half the volume for earbuds with less than 50 ohms which didn't naturally activate "normal" HIM. She called it faux HIM or other names because some audiophiles argued with her terminology.
They'll probably argue with mine also -- but I'm explaining it so it's easily understood.
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Hello, I was reading something that the V30 only uses the ES9218P DAC Chip when you insert a super high quality ear phone, can some one comment as to whether this is true? And if so, is there a mod or something to force it to use the chip at all times?
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The quad dac is activated no matter what.
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I will post a link that has a possible work around. I use it, but not sure that it is needed to enhance your low impedance phones. You can try it and see, I guess. It will be in the first post of the link as a "spoiler".
I also have downloaded an app that let's you know if it is in normal, external DAC (the work around), or HIM mode. The app is, "hi-fi status LG".
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/music-apps-tips-and-tricks-for-the-lg-v30.868978/
Use it or not. It may help or not. I do use the work around with my low impedance head phones.
The impedence modes only bump up the amplification to accommodate power hungry earphones.
There is no impact on sound quality. You should not worry about it, just plug in your erphones and enjoy.