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Hi -
I regretfully managed to drop my X10 in a toilet last night.... It's been a good 9 hours since at least and although initiallly it turned on when I started to charge it now it wont.
Now the red light if flashing when it is connected to the charger, and the screen is evidently a bit moist around the edges... EDIT: the phone just turned on so part of the issue was the battery being dead, but the screen slowly got darker and darker before switching off...
Is there any test for the phone company to see if it's water damaged?
Also, if I were to call them up and say there was an issue, I know they'd replace it with a straight exchange, so they wouldn't check it first.... Is it safe to do that?
Thanks
FIRST THINGS FIRST :
TURN OFF THE PHONE. NOW. Don't hang around, pull the battery out and DO NOT PUT IT IN.
Circuits are fine when in water, it's the corrosion and also when they have an electrical current put through them that the problem arises (when wet).
This WILL be tested when sent back if you call up and claim fault. The quickest way to visually test water damage is simple. Take off the back of your Xperia and at the top, exactly center (right above the camera) you'll see either a red and white chequered square OR a full red square (possibly part red/white but blotchy).
This SHOULD be chequered red and white but with water damage it makes it all red. Simple. No chance you can claim non damage now.
SECOND.
Put the phone in a bowl of rice(uncooked white rice). Now put the bowl of rice in a warm room or cupboard (preferably where your boiler is for your house?) or on top of a heater.
Leave it overnight and if it's on a heater DO NOT TURN THE HEATER OFF. Don't put the battery in the bowl, keep the battery separate and cooler but also make sure to avoid any water areas with it.
You could be lucky (I'll assume you will be but only time will tell) and this could fix it. It's worked on all my previous phones that I've water damaged (funnily enough I've only ever water damaged SEs) and also a few other circuit board based things I've used (one of them being a laptop!).
Please turn your phone off the SECOND you have read this post. Quickest way, battery pull.
Follow all the above steps and you should have a working xperia again.
Last note : if you dont have a heater to place a bowl of rice & xperia on top of, sit your phone in an empty room, turn a hair drier on and lay it next to it on medium heat setting on the lowest speed blowing against the phone. Should work too but make sure u can shut the door (annoying noise..)
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FIRST THINGS FIRST :
TURN OFF THE PHONE. NOW. Don't hang around, pull the battery out and DO NOT PUT IT IN.
Circuits are fine when in water, it's the corrosion and also when they have an electrical current put through them that the problem arises (when wet).
This WILL be tested when sent back if you call up and claim fault. The quickest way to visually test water damage is simple. Take off the back of your Xperia and at the top, exactly center (right above the camera) you'll see either a red and white chequered square OR a full red square (possibly part red/white but blotchy).
This SHOULD be chequered red and white but with water damage it makes it all red. Simple. No chance you can claim non damage now.
SECOND.
Put the phone in a bowl of rice(uncooked white rice). Now put the bowl of rice in a warm room or cupboard (preferably where your boiler is for your house?) or on top of a heater.
Leave it overnight and if it's on a heater DO NOT TURN THE HEATER OFF. Don't put the battery in the bowl, keep the battery separate and cooler but also make sure to avoid any water areas with it.
You could be lucky (I'll assume you will be but only time will tell) and this could fix it. It's worked on all my previous phones that I've water damaged (funnily enough I've only ever water damaged SEs) and also a few other circuit board based things I've used (one of them being a laptop!).
Please turn your phone off the SECOND you have read this post. Quickest way, battery pull.
Follow all the above steps and you should have a working xperia again.
Last note : if you dont have a heater to place a bowl of rice & xperia on top of, sit your phone in an empty room, turn a hair drier on and lay it next to it on medium heat setting on the lowest speed blowing against the phone. Should work too but make sure u can shut the door (annoying noise..)
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thank you so much for your advice. I'll give it a go. I don't have any white rice, just brown, will that make a difference?
Of course I'll go and buy white rice if I need it!
The square at the phone is blotchy.... but mostly red. you can still see slight shades of white though.. is this possible without water damage?
Also from what you've said, I really shouldn't have put the phone to charge. I think I left it charging for ast least 6 hours so now I feel like I've ruined it by doing that..
Thanks again )
Just another update. after almost 5 hours in the rice I inserted the battery and connected it to the charger. There was an improvement from before in that the phone turned on and stayed on, ALTHOUGH th screen was flickering, and it really wasn't responding very well - I couldn't actually unlock the device.
There's a visible different in the water movement though, in that there seemed to be some spread around the whole screen initially, and now it's in a small part of the bottom of the screen.
Any tips?
Also, could someone clarify whether Vodafone would class it as water damaged?
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Just another update. after almost 5 hours in the rice I inserted the battery and connected it to the charger. There was an improvement from before in that the phone turned on and stayed on, ALTHOUGH th screen was flickering, and it really wasn't responding very well - I couldn't actually unlock the device.
There's a visible different in the water movement though, in that there seemed to be some spread around the whole screen initially, and now it's in a small part of the bottom of the screen.
Any tips?
Also, could someone clarify whether Vodafone would class it as water damaged?
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well you dropped it in water and now its damaged, that seems like text book water damage to me =/
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Waiting 7 hours is not long enough...
Rice can only absorb moisture at a certain rate.
You should have wait much longer..
No offense, but your phone is toast. Rule number one is to NEVER turn on a water damaged device for at least a day after the incident. The phone was probably fine until you plugged it in.
You'll have to be on the hook for a new one. Your phone was water damaged and will not be covered under warranty.
Also, your grammar needs improvement. I found it really difficult to follow what you were writing because it made little sense.
Stop playing with it and leave it in the rice another day.
Then pray
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They'll be able to tell
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1. Diasassemble the Phone and put the PCB for 24hrs in 99% Isopropyle Alcohol. Not 50%, not 70% --> 99%.
2. Then take it out and let it dry for 48hrs.
3. Now reflash it (the SW is/may be corrupted).
I reanimated 80% of 200 Water-, Beer-, Pool-, Toilet-, and so on damaged Phones I repaired in the past...
Hey tuffy, sorry for the absence was at work till 10 last night then went straight to sleep lol.
I was going to give you similar advice to McKebapp however I thought the easiest option would be to give you common-to-find objects and make it easier as actually locating 99% Isopropyle is next to impossible unless you know exactly what it is!
Anyways, brown is fine - rice is rice it still takes in water. Only issue is it takes boiled water in at a rate almost 150 times faster than luke-warm or cold (which is what the water inside your phone will be).
If at all possible, do what McKebbap said but maybe avoid putting the PCB in alcohol, stick to the rice as it's bone dry and although, theoretically, so is the alcohol it'll be easier than trying to clean it all off afterwards.
If you can't dismantle it down (basically we need as much air-space between the PCB and well.. the air/rice!) then just put it back in fresh rice and leave it with the back off and battery out for another 24 hours or so, again in a warm area (needs to be warm for the water to rise).
Please, DO NOT TRY TO TURN IT ON WITHIN THIS TIME. Personally i'd actually be quite inclined to leave it for about 3 days but changing the rice (or mixing it) each day.
Good luck mate.
Oh and to answer your question : it's not possible for it to become blotchy or anything other than just squares of red/white without water buddy. it's designed for phone companies to , at a quick glance, check water damage cause guess what, besides dropping the phone, is the most common return reason ;-)
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I was going to give you similar advice to McKebapp however I thought the easiest option would be to give you common-to-find objects and make it easier as actually locating 99% Isopropyle is next to impossible unless you know exactly what it is!
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Each Pharmacy should have it for sale.
They maybe ask for what you'll use it.
Simply tell them the truth (cleaning electronics) or say, you'll need it to clean guitar strings from colophony.
Then everything should be fine.
So what happened? How's the phone?
How about the beer test in the good ol' days of the R310s
D3sRtH4mmR said:
So what happened? How's the phone?
How about the beer test in the good ol' days of the R310s
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Even if it is Off Topic...
YMMD
I've still got one orange R310s I still regualry make use of.
You simply can't destroy it.
I once even went snorkeling with it.
*remembering-the-good-'ol,-Sony-free,-pure-Ericsson-times*
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Even if it is Off Topic...
YMMD
I've still got one orange R310s I still regualry make use of.
You simply can't destroy it.
I once even went snorkeling with it.
*remembering-the-good-'ol,-Sony-free,-pure-Ericsson-times*
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Indeed, the awesome days of Ericsson phones! My R380s still works!
Back on topic, I hope Tuffy11 managed to salvage the X10.
U can get isopropyl from any pharmacy. You should follow mckebapps guide. Check his posts out, he knows whats up. ;-)
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D3sRtH4mmR said:
Indeed, the awesome days of Ericsson phones! My R380s still works!
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Mine r520m works fine except bluetooth. In 2006 Ericsson didn't support this model anymore, so I switched to k790a that works fine for now. Even now with 3.2 Mp camera it does better job in dark sets, than X10. When I read specs I was surprised that they didn't use xenon flash. It is a kind of a bad joke for flagship model.
Returning to water damage - it is enough just to leave a phone for a week in regular room environment. Of course, I mean average environment, not like in rain season somewhere in rainforest. Alcohol (any kind - regular ethanol or isopropyl) absorbs water, but dries faster, than water, so this bath just significantly reduces water concentration. By the way, don't try to find 99% of consumer ethanol - it doesn't exist. 96% is the best (190 proof in the US or 175 degrees proof in UK). For isopropyl regular distillation gives 87.9% max. Azeotropic distillation produces higher percentage for both these spirits, but I doubt you can find it in regular stores. Closed areas, where water was suck in remain problematic. Moreover, when water finally dries out, it leaves mineral salts. It is not a big deal at circuit plates since those salts are electric safe (except sea water salts), but in clear areas like between screen layers they will be visible.
And again - if you want to kill any electronics most effective way, turn it on when it is wet. If you want to save it - be patient.
Hopefully this will help some poor schmucks that manage to do the #3 in the toilet (common enough so I call it #3).
If there is ****, just let go man, really.
If there is piss, likely more damage has been done so chances of recovery are slimmer (salty water is more conductive).
If clean water then likely the phone will work but some hardware might not survive (like the camera, ....)
In any case, remove the battery IMMEDIATELY!
Wipe battery dry. Leave alone and forget about it for 3-4 days.
Shake out as much water as possible out of the phone and let it dry for a week. You can safely use a hair dryer to warm it up to speed the evaporation. Do it twice a day.
If you want, dunk the phone in 99% rubbing alcohol for 10-20 seconds, swish it around. Take it out and forget you had a phone for 3-4 of days.
I never dropped one into the loo but I did go swimming with two phones and both survived (mostly).
Hey guys, I've been in love with my phone for the past two weeks. Now I'm on Vacay oversees. This phone is so damn light I didn't even realize they were in my swim trunks. Then boom it hit me 1 min later, phone in pocket and in the pool!!
Anyone with experience dropping it water or any advice regarding preventing further damage?
Bury it in a bowl of uncooked rice for a day or more. It will dry it out. There may be damage to the screen, or some contacts may be shorted, but this will help minimize damage. Also give it a few days to heal, some problems might go away as the last bits of water evaporate out.
sosobri said:
Hey guys, I've been in love with my phone for the past two weeks. Now I'm on Vacay oversees. This phone is so damn light I didn't even realize they were in my swim trunks. Then boom it hit me 1 min later, phone in pocket and in the pool!!
Anyone with experience dropping it water or any advice regarding preventing further damage?
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Dont turn it on, put it in rice for 48+ hours.
During those 48 hours, pray.
Good luck!
Damp rid
Go to the hardware and get some damp rid. Place the phone in a small tupperware, place that in a larger tupperware with the damp rid in it and seal for a week. I have received 2 phones this way.
Take it apart and blowdry, that's the only way for sure, assuming you haven't tried to turn it on, good luck...
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Put in a insurance claim and forget it.
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My OG 4G was submerged and I brought it back to life with no issues.
1. Like others have said do not turn the phone on
2. Do not blow dry the phone, if you have concerns with the contaminants in the pool water you CAN give the phone an alcohol wipe down. Alcohol evaporates quickly and can help to draw excess water out of small crevices while cleaning contacts, boards, etc
3. SETUP a drying chamber like others have recommended. Either using the rice
method or using a desiccant like Damp Rid. Put that in a shoe box along with
the phone and tightly seal it. 3 days minimum up to a full week. It took my
OG 5 days to come around.
That kind of rice works better, long grain, short grain, broken rice, Jasmine?
You need to take it apart and clean it NOW.
Pool water is highly clorinated. Chlorine is a corrosive.
Even drying it out or using rice will still damage the device. The water / chlorine are already in the device. Since its got a non removable battery the unit will still have power running to parts of it.
What needs to happen is
1, file a claim and replace it.
2. If you can get it apart. remove the battery and start to clean it with isopropoyl alchohol or contact cleaning solution.
But my guess is since it actually went underwater the LCD will have spots on it as well.
At this point its probably going to be a bad device.
easy way to turn it off, if on still, hold power for 10 sec, when in off state, hold vol down, boot into bootloader, select fastboot, select power down.
Don't use a blower that will accelerate the oxidation on the circuits.
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Thanks for the suggestions guys, I think I might have to say one good prayer in hopes of getting this device to work. Im in the Philippines so my phone doesn't have signal anyways I just mainly up use it as a wifi device, the real problem is when I get home. But if I do file a claim now maybe I'll have one waiting for me when I get back from vacation. Thanks for the help
Let the phone sit for a day or two, or until majority of the water evaporates naturally. (do not put in sun or apply direct heat, as it will make your screen fog and cause bubbles etc.) When majority of the water is out then take a blow dryer on cool or normal (not hot or warm) and apply to phone covering all areas for at least 30 mins. You need to take of the back plastic face plate as it is easy to remove and will easily hold water. If you can watch a video on how to access the batter (if you cant find one there are some for the One X line witch is very similar in build). If water is near the battery or any electrical circuits it could easily fry. If you are unsure if the water is not completely out of it you have either not waited long enough or applied enough air to the phone. Good Luck and Remember do not turn on wet electronics! THAT'S A NO-NO!!!
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Take it apart and blowdry, that's the only way for sure, assuming you haven't tried to turn it on, good luck...
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Blow dry as in a can of air. Not a blow dryer.
Don't forget a pool has chlorine in the water. It may even be worth rinsing. Then blow dry and then let it sit.
Take the rear cover off. Was gonna say remove the battery too, lol. But the sealed tupperware/bag of white rice works. Be patient as hard as that is.
water logged phone
I like the insurance claim option the best also, I suspect that if it comes around, it will never be the same again, and I would be concerned that one day, for no particular reason, it will simply stop working.
Get a new phone, and call it a day. These things happen dude
The key is to get it apart and get every bit of water out/dried, I guess I shoulda mentioned to watch aspects of things to not get hot, however a regular blow dryer on low or cool shouldn't hurt anything, it will be a delicate process. First things first though, get the battery out, do not try and turn it on. I've fixed thousands of microelectronic boards, traces, solder points, and water damage accounts for about 75% of most of what I've seen. If you aren't comfortable with this as most wouldn't be, find someone who is or try some kind of tep, tsp, whatever but it doesn't sound like that's an option... Good luck and follow up, I'd like to hear how it turns out...
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Basically, I found a phone on the side of a road (a Galaxy S2) that has a cracked screen, obvious drop damage (there was a case near it too that I assume took some of the impact), and a bit of water damage. No idea how long it was there, but I'd estimate between a few hours or a day.
I'm somewhat hoping I could get it powered up and use it, but I imagine there isn't much hope at all for it.
I read some guides online, and noticed a few that mentioned vinegar could remove corrosion. I disassembled the S2 as far as I could, and then just dropped it in a small container of ACV, and plan to leave it overnight. There was a good bit of bubble activity when I left, so I assume the vinegar is doing it's work on the corrosion quite nicely.
I'm not really expecting the phone to work at all, but who knows. As long as there isn't any physical motherboard damage and no short-circuiting occured, I would think it would be fine.
As for what happened to the phone, I assume it was dropped, but it's possible it was ran over as well. Ideally, I'd hope the phone was just dropped and the battery came out instantly to reduce the chance of short circuiting.
My plan for now is to just let it sit in the vinegar for about 8 hours, and then check on it in the morning. Depending on how much corrosion is left, i'll either just try to clean up the rest with a tiny brush, or just let it soak some more in fresh vinegar. I'm hoping the vinegar itself doesn't damage anything crucial though.
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espionage724 said:
Basically, I found a phone on the side of a road (a Galaxy S2) that has a cracked screen, obvious drop damage (there was a case near it too that I assume took some of the impact), and a bit of water damage. No idea how long it was there, but I'd estimate between a few hours or a day.
I'm somewhat hoping I could get it powered up and use it, but I imagine there isn't much hope at all for it.
I read some guides online, and noticed a few that mentioned vinegar could remove corrosion. I disassembled the S2 as far as I could, and then just dropped it in a small container of ACV, and plan to leave it overnight. There was a good bit of bubble activity when I left, so I assume the vinegar is doing it's work on the corrosion quite nicely.
I'm not really expecting the phone to work at all, but who knows. As long as there isn't any physical motherboard damage and no short-circuiting occured, I would think it would be fine.
As for what happened to the phone, I assume it was dropped, but it's possible it was ran over as well. Ideally, I'd hope the phone was just dropped and the battery came out instantly to reduce the chance of short circuiting.
My plan for now is to just let it sit in the vinegar for about 8 hours, and then check on it in the morning. Depending on how much corrosion is left, i'll either just try to clean up the rest with a tiny brush, or just let it soak some more in fresh vinegar. I'm hoping the vinegar itself doesn't damage anything crucial though.
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I'd love to know how this turned out. I was planning on trying something like this myself. I have a mildly water damaged s2 lte that still works except for 3 issues:
1. Needs external power to turn on
2. Crashes whenever I use Gallery and occasionally if i switch apps fast.
3. Battery meter always reads 1.
I think this is because there's some mild corrosion somewhere causing a short circuit in certain areas.
Some things I've found through research(but untested):
1. Soak in salt+vinegar solution for < 10min
2. Rinse out with water/baking soda solution
3. Repeat a couple times if necessary.
4. Soak in isopropyl alcohol(99% rubbing alcohol) overnight
5. Dry off in air for 24hours
Scrub lightly with a toothbrush any visible corrosion during steps 1-2.
Optional attach one of those suction cup speakers that vibrates(turning anything into a speaker) to the soaking basin and play some high frequency sounds. Vibrations are supposed to help, but i don't know exact frequency.
Hello to everyone, a few days ago my watch started shutting down after a while, sometimes write after boot and sometimes after 5 or 10 minutes or so. I tried reverting to stock settings (factory reset) also sync it with a new account from other phone, I even installed Everest Rom and still it shuts down after a few minutes. Also sometimes it gets very hot, all over the watch not only at the bottom or the front glass.
The watch is in my possession for around 1,5 year and it is the international version.
Same behavior, is the result of water geting in...
How is that possible , it is water resistant!?
Did you open it easily?
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How is that possible , it is water resistant!?
Did you open it easily?
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It was used a year, never taken off the hand unless charging., so it got into sea swiming, hot showers/baths, everything, and i did not kept it in clean water for 10 min, or what the manual says... . So all that chemicals and salt afected the seals ...
It was opened by the service guys, i sent it for waranty, which they ofcourse void it (apparantely no device is covered by waranty if liquides get inside them ... ?!?)
I will try to test if is fixable by my self.... with no water resistance...
Thank you my friend for your time and answers, I will try to open it and see if this is wrong with my watch too. Last year after every swim I did clean it up but this year I never did so maybe this is what happened to mine also.
My problem was not from getting water in
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My problem was not from getting water in
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Can't really tell from the image, but it looks like there is some corosion/oxidation on the capacitors near the sensor ? (seems like some green/blue colored contacts). If so, maybe try to gentaly clean it, it could make electrical contact between components that should not be in contact.
Also look at the battery and see if there is any visible damage to it
... my battery is 0 volts, and a little puffy, i will try to see if it takes charge.
If yours got extremely hot as mine did, pls consider the safty issues of the situation
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Can't really tell from the image, but it looks like there is some corosion/oxidation on the capacitors near the sensor ? (seems like some green/blue colored contacts). If so, maybe try to gentaly clean it, it could make electrical contact between components that should not be in contact.
Also look at the battery and see if there is any visible damage to it
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I think you are wright my friend, I 'll get back home and see it more closely and try to clean it up and see if that helps.
Well you were wright about sensor
I tried to clean as good as I could but with no luck , I also checked the battery and it seemed ok to me.
Then I decided to cut the sensor power by cutting the cable that connects to it and then booted up the watch and everything is working fine ,no shutdowns, no overheating problems and no battery consumption at all. I guess that the sensor is no longer working at all and it isn't anymore waterproof but at least I have a fully functional watch until i decide what to do. Thanks again for pointing out the corrosion-oxidation of the sensor. The only thing I cannot comprehend is how did that happen to the sensor capacitors, since there where no moisture inside the watch!?!?
Thanks again my friend!
Hello guys,
My HR Stratos 2.3.10.5 sensor is overheating right after turning on the watch. I had already noticed that I could not measure the pulse rate and a few days later I began to feel a slight burning in the skin, when taking the watch I see that the problem is the sensor.
Visually everything is ok and if you turn off the clock it cools again.
Has it happened to anyone or do you know how to solve it ?
Thanks in advance.
I am having the same issue, even got my skin burnt by the sensor. Have you fixed your watch?
The first time I was sleeping and I thought it was pulling my hairs from my wrist and took it off, but today after cycling it started to hurt again and when I saw the sensor was extremely hot and there was two little burnt spots in my wrist.
Was researching and saw many people complaining about it but no solution at all.
Check HR sensor conver: either it fell off or let moisture get inside the device, corroding the HR sensor. Either open the watch and remove / replace the sensor module (it won't be easy to find a replacement) or replace the whole watch.
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Check HR sensor conver: either it fell off or let moisture get inside the device, corroding the HR sensor. Either open the watch and remove / replace the sensor module (it won't be easy to find a replacement) or replace the whole watch.
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Now that you point that out, I really don't remenber if there was a cover or not... Anyways, if that fell off, it came off without any pressure, bump or whatever... It should not fall so easily, now my watch is overheating very quickly, specially when I turn on the HR, it even shuts down. I am trying to contact the shop and Huami.
Less than 3 months using it, the watch is great besides this issue, let's see what happens.
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Now that you point that out, I really don't remenber if there was a cover or not... Anyways, if that fell off, it came off without any pressure, bump or whatever... It should not fall so easily, now my watch is overheating very quickly, specially when I turn on the HR, it even shuts down. I am trying to contact the shop and Huami.
Less than 3 months using it, the watch is great besides this issue, let's see what happens.
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the small glass - hr cover is off on your watch... the same here after 8 months. I'm using the watch only for running or treadmill. (somethimes weightlifting..) . I was newer swimming or in the sauna...
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the small glass - hr cover is off on your watch... the same here after 8 months. I'm using the watch only for running or treadmill. (somethimes weightlifting..) . I was newer swimming or in the sauna...
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Me too, always very careful with it, but as you can see I cannot use it anymore, tryed to contact the ebay seller/ ebay/ paypal/ Xiaomi/ Amazfit
Ended up losing my money as even if I wanted to pay to fix it, no representative here in Australia would fix it for me... Extremely disappointed with the brand.