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Hi everyone.
I searched it as much as I could but had no luck. Is there a battery cover that hides the camera lens? To put simply, I need a back cover with no holes at all. I need to have a phone without a camera lens and just hiding it would really help me out. I searched everywhere but found nothing. Even here in the accessories session nothing is mentioned.
If anyone finds omething please reply here, I am desperate!
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Hi everyone.
I searched it as much as I could but had no luck. Is there a battery cover that hides the camera lens? To put simply, I need a back cover with no holes at all. I need to have a phone without a camera lens and just hiding it would really help me out. I searched everywhere but found nothing. Even here in the accessories session nothing is mentioned.
If anyone finds omething please reply here, I am desperate!
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I have never seen such a thing! why you wanna hide it?!?!?!?
i really don't think you will find such a thing!!!
that is what I am afraid of... I need to have a phone that has no camera with me, and I do not want to leave the HD at the house and wonder around with a simple nokia without the camera. I can pass it as a no camera phone if I could be able to find something like that.
I believe I am not the only one with this problem. There are places that security does not allow camera phones. I found a forum of iPhone users that have exactly the same problem, and I thought that if nobody here in the xda-developers knows or has seen something like this, then probably I have no choice but to leave the phone back
Sorry I have no answer for you. My hunch is that it cannot exist as the use of such cover in places where cameras are prohibited would presume that the security there are also a bunch of idiots to not to be able to see that Touch HD has also a front camera. So it would be a very narrow use possibility to make sense for large scale manufacturing...
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Sorry I have no answer for you. My hunch is that it cannot exist as the use of such cover in places where cameras are prohibited would presume that the security there are also a bunch of idiots to not to be able to see that Touch HD has also a front camera. So it would be a very narrow use possibility to make sense for large scale manufacturing...
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You are absolutely right....in areas where it is prohibited to use a camera phone you shouldn't do that. But I think there's one possible solution for that: right here
Sorry for that little joke , but I have been to places where it's not allowed and you should respect that,too. If people realize that you've hidden the cam...oh oh ooooh
I see your point Maniac
I got the same here at work. We're not allowed to use or even have a camera phone with us in the development department.
But thats easily solved: We just deposit it in a lockbox before entering that area. So isn't there a possibility to do that?
Or do you need the phone at work? Then there should be an possibility to get an permission or something like that (I got that at work).
greetz
playdo
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that the security there are also a bunch of idiots to not to be able to see that Touch HD has also a front camera.
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Furthermore you could easily take off the back cover and take your pictures without it. So that won't work.
Mate, since my first nokia wirh pixels camera I have just forgot about covering the lens...sony ericsson and its "k" series has lens cover...but it isn't necessary at all...
Right then, who else has noticed this? I'm presuming its an issue with the sync?
My contacts are stored with Googlemail and are set to sync, which is good as it saves me manually doing it and I usually change business contacts details so its nice that it updates on its own.
I link the contacts to facebook, pictures come over, look perfect (well, alright).
Later on, the pictures look awful and I'm presuming its because they are sent to Google and then sent back to the phone in a lower quality.
There were similar issues with the Touch HD syncing with Outlook and nobody found a way around it, anyone got any suggestions?
Nobody else noticing that their contacts pictures are really poor quality? Is it just me having this issue?
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Nobody else noticing that their contacts pictures are really poor quality? Is it just me having this issue?
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Me too...
No you are not alone.
Not alone
You are not alone, I presume that there is some kind of loss in the sync to make it work faster, I havnt seen any setting to make it lossless.
When I saved a picture from facebook and added it manually the was no loss in quality.
So until there is some kind of app out I guess you will just have to manually add the pictures if you cant live with the quality.
I sync with Outlook and its the same.
I do remember when i had a HTC Touch Diamond that was the same. The way you cured the problem was to take a photo with your phone to use as a contact picture and then it was full quality. To be honest not tried it with the Hero yet maybe a task for today for me..
Same problem here.
Hope they solve it in a future update.
Its the same with me, on my Diamond I created small high quality pics for my contacts & even with these the quality is crap.
On a side note is anybody else thinking that XDA Developers isn't the place for us & our hero handsets? I'm feeling a little bit unloved
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Its the same with me, on my Diamond I created small high quality pics for my contacts & even with these the quality is crap.
On a side note is anybody else thinking that XDA Developers isn't the place for us & our hero handsets? I'm feeling a little bit unloved
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People are only just getting their Hero's so this will get going soon. Its the same when any new devices come out, just takes time.
We have root already, TP2 doesn't have HardSPL yet and thats been out months.
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People are only just getting their Hero's so this will get going soon. Its the same when any new devices come out, just takes time.
We have root already, TP2 doesn't have HardSPL yet and thats been out months.
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I'm not sure I understood half of what you just said. What are Root, TP2 & HardSPL?
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I'm not sure I understood half of what you just said. What are Root, TP2 & HardSPL?
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haha, ok...
Root gives you access to all of your phone and should allow you to flash new roms onto your phone.
HardSPL is used on phones and if you have hardspl, again, you can flash new roms.
TP2 is the Touch Pro 2, just another phone.
Basically I was trying to say the phone is new out, and usually when they are it takes a while for people to come over to them, but they do eventually. When more and more people come on board, there will be a lot more support.
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Its the same with me, on my Diamond I created small high quality pics for my contacts & even with these the quality is crap.
On a side note is anybody else thinking that XDA Developers isn't the place for us & our hero handsets? I'm feeling a little bit unloved
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as stated...this phone has only been out in the uk for just over a week
things will start moving faster once people can get there hands on it.
i don't think it wll be long before the chefs start cooking here for us
You know what I think I need to make a retaction & clarify how I feel about the XDA Developers site & the hero. Both the comments of nicelad_uk & liamhere are totally spot on & it was silly of me to expect the amount of expert knowledge on the hero that I enjoyed with my previous winmo devices.
I realise now that this could be my time to shine & put something back into this community instead of just taking like I was accustomed to before. Now obviously its been established that my knowledge is a bit lax on the software but where I can help I will & hopefully the increase traffic & hel will bring more people to this part of the forum.
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I've just read what I've written & although it WREAKS OF CHEESE I'm leaving it up because when you get past the cheese its pretty much true. Corny but true.
almost forgot thanks for the clarifications nicelad_uk, you really are a, er, nice lad
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almost forgot thanks for the clarifications nicelad_uk, you really are a, er, nice lad
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Haha, trust me, if you asked my girlfriend, she would say the opposite!
I started putting back into the community with my Touch Pro 2, recreating a theme which I loved on my Diamond but wasn't available, it was a good feeling.
Now I'm making apps for Android, nothing big, just getting used to it and trying different things.
And no problem with the help, we all try to help and its good to see a mod using these devices too, other people will follow shortly, when they see the light
Contacts Image quality
I have the same bad images quality in contact also. Even when i had my Touch HD. I sync with Outlook and even set the contact photo from the phone but when a call comes in or is made to the contact its all blurry. Any ideas?
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You know what I think I need to make a retaction & clarify how I feel about the XDA Developers site & the hero. Both the comments of nicelad_uk & liamhere are totally spot on & it was silly of me to expect the amount of expert knowledge on the hero that I enjoyed with my previous winmo devices.
I realise now that this could be my time to shine & put something back into this community instead of just taking like I was accustomed to before. Now obviously its been established that my knowledge is a bit lax on the software but where I can help I will & hopefully the increase traffic & hel will bring more people to this part of the forum.
***
I've just read what I've written & although it WREAKS OF CHEESE I'm leaving it up because when you get past the cheese its pretty much true. Corny but true.
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That warms my cockles, does that! I feel just the same so I'm trying to help where I can (Not totally altruistic, just its summer break and I have time on my hands)
On the point of poor quality pics in the call window, I think what is happening is that the fone is grabbing the little Thumbnail created for the contacts, not the original pic. The thumbnail then looks like Sh** in the big call window.
Not a solution but could be a reason.
Daisy "must do better" Connolly xx
Dayzee said:
That warms my cockles, does that! I feel just the same so I'm trying to help where I can (Not totally altruistic, just its summer break and I have time on my hands)
On the point of poor quality pics in the call window, I think what is happening is that the fone is grabbing the little Thumbnail created for the contacts, not the original pic. The thumbnail then looks like Sh** in the big call window.
Not a solution but could be a reason.
Daisy "must do better" Connolly xx
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This issue is usually to do with the Sync, its been a common problem with Syncing with Outlook and google from Windows Mobile Devices. I posted a comment about poor picture quality on Google's forums and one of their development team said they would look into it, that was nearly 3 months ago though.
Can't think of anyway round it! Very annoying though. Auto Sync off for me I think.
I think everyone should go to the google forums and reply to this thread...
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=6b0562c425cc1f5d&hl=en
Make them aware we are noticing these issues!
hey mates, i think so to,when the people gets their hands on this wunderfull device, the development will be started ... mine arrives in 3 days ... cant wait for it ....
Anyone found a fix for this problem???
I have heard a mixed bag of reviews about this phone but what I gather is most bugs are no ironed out. I have a SGS2 at the moment, but its to big and I never really was a big android fan and well iOS is looking very dated, I love the look of the Lumia 800. Could you recommend it?
I'd vote yes. The look and feel is great. The OS works well. Main caveats are lack of apps, and bugs/short battery life, as you say I hope these are mostly sorted. Biggest frustration for me has been the won't charge/won't turn on problem if you let the battery run flat, but I'm hopeful the latest update may help.
Tim
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I have a SGS2 at the moment, but its to big and I never really was a big android fan and well iOS is looking very dated, I love the look of the Lumia 800. Could you recommend it?
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I feel exactly the same way about the SGS2, Android and iOS.
I originally bought the Lumia as a stop gap - I was sick of flashing roms onto my Galaxy S and thought the Lumia would be nice to own until the iPhone 5 comes out. But after having the Lumia for a month, Apple will need to do something drastic with iOS as well as the hardware to get me away from my Lumia. I love it to bits.
You're picking the right time because the annoying bugs - terrible battery life and bad audio quality are now fixed. I'm sat here listening to music off the Lumia via a set of Sennheiser HD555's and it sounds brilliant.
The OS is great, it has a couple of minor usability issues compared to iOS which is very good in this respect, but it blows Android out the water.
Go for it!
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I have heard a mixed bag of reviews about this phone but what I gather is most bugs are no ironed out. I have a SGS2 at the moment, but its to big and I never really was a big android fan and well iOS is looking very dated, I love the look of the Lumia 800. Could you recommend it?
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So far all the issues have been dealt with, if your phone has a fault that needs sorted, I can assure you that Nokia will sort it out. They are people that listen to the consumers, as most bugs have so far been dealt with. I have no problems with the phone now apart from my screen being messed up, but hopefully that's getting replaced by them. I would recommend the phone as it's excellent value and Nokia are doing everything to make this phone one of the best out there, as you can see on the adverts, as well as the amount of time they're putting into the Lumias. You get what you pay for, oh if you're coming from SGS2, it's a little on the heavier side.
Really tempted. Can these be developer unlocked?
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Really tempted. Can these be developer unlocked?
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At the moment, no, we haven't heard anything from Chevron sadly, only via App Hub ($99) or student dev unlock. But we can always hope it comes soon. Test the phone out first, to see if you can stick without homebrew as you are coming from an Android (the mother of all customization).
I changed from sgs2 and I have to say that I haven't looked back. This phone is brilliant and finally a good phone with excellent usability.
I came from a Mozart and it was a relief. The design is so much better, and it's quite much faster as well. I have never owned an Android, never wanted one, and with my Lumia I'll never want one.
WP7 is a genuinely different beast compared to iOS/Android. I'm not going to tell you that it's better, because that all depends on taste, but if you're getting a WP7 phone then the Lumia 800/900 is an excellent choice.
As a developer I'd never go back to Android simply because it's so horribly buggy and the software design so godawful that even a dualcore gigahertz processor isn't enough to make it render things smoothly. What's more, bugs and security exploits don't get fixed unless you install your own rom or wait a year for a carrier-approved update. There's so many bugs that it's almost impossible now to write an app that doesn't crash on at least 10% of the devices out there
As for downsides to the Lumia, there's no internet tethering at the moment, although WiFi tethering has just been announced. Battery life isn't great, but it seems to differ from phone to phone. When I just got mine I had 8-10 hours of battery life, but after two or three charge cycles my phone lasted a full day, and I really haven't had problems since then. As far as I know this is all fixed with the new update though. Also, WP7 doesn't have all the apps you're used to having on Android, and the ones that are there aren't always the best. Spotify for instance is totally unusable for me, and I've uninstalled it about a month ago and downgraded my account. Things like Facebook and twitter seem fine though, and it's nice to have people's Facebook pictures show up in your contacts. The browser is also great and fast, although I'm not too happy with Bing and rather use Google. Nokia maps also isn't as good as Google maps, but a third-party app fixes that pretty quick.
Imho, if you want a phone that just works, get either a WP7 phone or an iPhone. If you're getting a WP7 phone, get a Lumia 800.
Definitely! And two of my friends are already ordered after i show em what you can do with unlocked device
an awesome phone, i love this phone, iv tried android, iphone blackberry, and id rather use this phone than any other phone.
i can definitely recommend this phone to everyone after the latest update. most bugs have been sorted our( not that i was having problem with it previously) but in general the 12070 update really does make this a valid choice..
on the other hand if you could wait for the lumia 900 it would be a good idea..but as long as you dont need a huge display..and a fornt facing camera the 800 should be cheaper and it does feel more comfortable in the hands
would recommend the lumia 800 yes
imho way better than iphone and android platform the 800 is so nice to hold in your hands its the best phone i have ever used, and i have had a lot from iphone 4 to 4s to galaxy nexus and sg2 the lumia is a much nicer phone to use and looks better.
I wouldn't recommend it. I've been through 3 of these devices all with different hardware faults. And the 900 is close to release, it's got the same features, a bit bigger and better screen (Not PenTile) and FFC.
Agreed here.
I feel the same way. My girlfriend has my old iPhone 4 and I sent the HTC Sensation packing to pay for my Lumia. This phone is ****ing amazing. I have had zero problems except the camera. I figured out that to counter this I can turn up the exposure value in the camera settings and the pictures are fantastic!
Note: I imported a HK model here to Beijing (we have sweet markets) and do not have Nokia Music.... this is lame otherwise, the phone is great.
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I feel exactly the same way about the SGS2, Android and iOS.
I originally bought the Lumia as a stop gap - I was sick of flashing roms onto my Galaxy S and thought the Lumia would be nice to own until the iPhone 5 comes out. But after having the Lumia for a month, Apple will need to do something drastic with iOS as well as the hardware to get me away from my Lumia. I love it to bits.
You're picking the right time because the annoying bugs - terrible battery life and bad audio quality are now fixed. I'm sat here listening to music off the Lumia via a set of Sennheiser HD555's and it sounds brilliant.
The OS is great, it has a couple of minor usability issues compared to iOS which is very good in this respect, but it blows Android out the water.
Go for it!
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My Lumia Experience
Hi,
after using a Lumia 800 for a couple of weeks, here's my two cents:
I have gone through all iPhone-Generations (and some symbian-stuff before) and currently own a bunch of current phones, among them the SGS2 (custom firmware, admittedly) and an Lumia 800. My company is developing apps, that's why I get to play around with smartphones a lot.
The Lumia 800 is hands down one of the best looking phones around. The size is perfect and it feels just right. I also dig the responsiveness of the user interface and I really like the approach of smart tiles in Windows Phone. Not as cluttered as android widgets and much smarter than the iOS counterpart (there is no such concept).
Unfortunately, there are a lot of real show stoppers that make me pick up my SGS2 in the morning, instead of the Lumia. Let's start with basics like calendaring and e-mails. Handling of calendar invitations does not work most of the time, the phone does not even handle .ics-files, which makes me pin down invitations, then go to the calendar and create a new entry manually - c'mon, this is basic stuff!
If you are setting up Google Mail on the phone, you will see only the first level of tags (a.k.a IMAP-folders). If a tag has sub-tags, it won't be displayed in the list, making the whole concept useless - bummer.
Syncing your contacts with google works in such a way that all your contacts do actually appear on the phone - except for random phone numbers that just will not be synchronized. If you really want to have all your contacts' phone numbers on the Lumia you better go through all those contacts and make sure the phone numbers are labeled in a way the Lumia can understand. I am not sure which labels work reliably. Updating all contacts just for a bug like this really is a tedious task!
The integration of facebook is pretty well done, unless you have a name that is so common that there are other people you know on facebook that have the same name. In this case, messages and profile pictures of the other people of your name are displayed as _your_ messages and profile pictures. Guess some developer decided to ditch unique IDs and go for names instead - another bug!
Talking about bugs: most apps that I really got used to on other platforms are sub par or not available at all on Windows Phone. Remember The Milk, evernote, spotify, rdio or even facebook - those apps are in no way comparable to their counterparts on iOS or Android in terms of features and stability.
And then there are a lot of other, small things:
- No tethering (ok, this is supposed to come in a future update)
- no image scale-down possible when sending via e-mail
- mute does not mute all sounds
- no ABC-bar in contacts list, you have to search or scroll a thousand times to find a contact
- Marketplace is slow and often inresponsive. Is there a way to list the apps I have bought? I have not found such an option
- battery runtime: though much better after last update, it is still tough to get through an entire day
- Once you install many apps (like I do) you will start to miss folders or other means to organize your smart tiles and the application list - a general problem of Windows Phone.
I have to admit that some of the trouble is certainly due to the fact that I use google services instead of Exchange, which might yield a better experience on Windows Phone. Then again, this phones' target audience is more likely to use free google services than Exchange.
That being said, I still like the phone, but it has way to many quirks to be a reliable business phone. I really hope Nokia and Microsoft get these wrinkles straightened out because the interface surely has a lot of potential.
Until then I will stick to my ugly Android that gets the job done ;-)
Cheers,
Dan
Brewn said:
- No tethering (ok, this is supposed to come in a future update)
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My theory is that since carriers hate tethering, this is part of Nokia's strategy to entice carriers into selling more Lumia devices during the initial launch period. Delivering an update (much, much later?) is a compromise to appease users who need tethering.
Brewn said:
- no ABC-bar in contacts list, you have to search or scroll a thousand times to find a contact
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My contacts list has always had the alphabet labels.
Brewn said:
- Marketplace is slow and often inresponsive. Is there a way to list the apps I have bought? I have not found such an option
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Marketplace sucks. The only way to get a list of apps that you have bought (and re-install them) is through the www.windowsphone.com site. Lots of app reviews aren't shown either.
CervezaPorFavor said:
My contacts list has always had the alphabet labels.
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Yes, but how do you quickly jump to, say, "M". Aaah, I found it: double tap on a label and you will get the entire alphabet! So this one can be scratched due to user dumbness
Cheers,
Dan
Brewn said:
Yes, but how do you quickly jump to, say, "M". Aaah, I found it: double tap on a label and you will get the entire alphabet! So this one can be scratched due to user dumbness
Cheers,
Dan
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Most of your list can be scratched due to user dumbness
oskariunit said:
Most of your list can be scratched due to user dumbness
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Would you mind to enlighten me?
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@oskariunit: By the way: The alphabet in the contact list is nice but also has the bug that the first tap onto a letter does not open the alphabet-list if you have been scrolling the contact list before. Probably the first tap just sets to focus to the button and the second tap registers. One tap suffices if you open contacts and directly tap onto a letter without scrolling before, as the default focus is obviously on those letters.
And no, this is not user dumbness but a bug.
Hey folks,
I have noticed that in my poco if you hover you finger too close to your screen(note that i haven't touched the screen) it will capture it as touch. This becomes annoying when you are typing or playing games. I have asked for replacement but the technical guy who came for visit is not ready to accept this issue. And I am blocked now with this faulty poco.
This is because of the extra sensitive touch i guess(like glove mode in iPhone), I have changed the pointer speed, reset the phone but nothing works. This should be resolved by calibration but don't know how.
Please let me know if anyone else is facing this issue or has the solution for same.
Thanks
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Hey folks,
I have noticed that in my poco if you hover you finger too close to your screen(note that i haven't touched the screen) it will capture it as touch. This becomes annoying when you are typing or playing games. I have asked for replacement but the technical guy who came for visit is not ready to accept this issue. And I am blocked now with this faulty poco.
This is because of the extra sensitive touch i guess(like glove mode in iPhone), I have changed the pointer speed, reset the phone but nothing works. This should be resolved by calibration but don't know how.
Please let me know if anyone else is facing this issue or has the solution for same.
Thanks
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I have been writing about this issue since day 1, I somehow got the phone replaced. I showed them the PUBG game issue but they didn't help me, in the end I had to show them that ghost touch issue (which was a software bug and since the device was just launched very few people knew that it's actually a software glitch) so I forced them to take back the device.
I wasted hours on phone to emulate all the problems so that I could get it returned, this is a ****ty device and the company need to be sued for selling faulty products.
Is it something you might be able to get used to? Honestly, I've found this a problem on ALL touch-screen smartphones since forever lol.
Maybe it can be fixed in software in a custom kernel soon. If it bothers me that much when I get my device, I might look into it - it seems the kind of thing that could differ between devices and production runs, so the factory is forced to make a "best average guess" for all devices.
But it could also be a factory calibration thing, which has device-specific values in proprietary files or firmware....
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I wasted hours on phone to emulate all the problems so that I could get it returned, this is a ****ty device and the company need to be sued for selling faulty products.
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Because the touch is "too-sensitive", a purely subjective thing, you think the device is faulty and they should be sued?
So dramatic. Are you new to this place called reality or something?
It's a $500 flagship device, if you came into this expecting 100% premium quality then you're a fool.
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Is it something you might be able to get used to? Honestly, I've found this a problem on ALL touch-screen smartphones since forever lol.
Maybe it can be fixed in software in a custom kernel soon. If it bothers me that much when I get my device, I might look into it - it seems the kind of thing that could differ between devices and production runs, so the factory is forced to make a "best average guess" for all devices.
But it could also be a factory calibration thing, which has device-specific values in proprietary files or firmware....
Because the touch is "too-sensitive", a purely subjective thing, you think the device is faulty and they should be sued?
So dramatic. Are you new to this place called reality or something?
It's a $500 flagship device, if you came into this expecting 100% premium quality then you're a fool.
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Ever heard about Honor 8 Pro? It was launched last year and was called the flagship killer, the issue is not present in there, why?
Ever Heard of any MiA1 or MiA2 device having this problem?
Do you have the device?
If not then try it out, it's not something you can live with.
What do you think I am asking for? I just want Xiaomi to admit that there is an issue and work on it and nothing else.
Not happening on my unit. Any specific steps to reproduce it?
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What do you think I am asking for? I just want Xiaomi to admit that there is an issue and work on it and nothing else.
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So go harass the Manager on Twitter, what can we do about it? Complaining about the device once is fair enough to raise awareness, but every thread I see seems like you are on a mission to destroy this community.
I don't see the relevance of comparing it to other devices. May as well say "Ferrari can make cars that fast, why can't my Prius?"
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Ever heard about Honor 8 Pro? It was launched last year and was called the flagship killer, the issue is not present in there, why?
Ever Heard of any MiA1 or MiA2 device having this problem?
Do you have the device?
If not then try it out, it's not something you can live with.
What do you think I am asking for? I just want Xiaomi to admit that there is an issue and work on it and nothing else.
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you should be known to the fact that many of xiaomi devices comes with bugs at first. Xiaomi fixes almost all bugs after some updates. Most of the current bug's fixes (audio, notification, battery percentage, ok google) are coming soon on next OTA. Some of them, they're investing. from my POV, Xiaomi is doing great with Poco's software side. Jai Mani himself taking care of these
you complain about camera?
- use gcam
you complain about miui?
- wait for AOSP Roms
you complain about the phone?
- get a refund
But don't just flood everywhere. Grab more cash. Get a Oneplus 6. Be happy with it. Have a nice day
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So go harass the Manager on Twitter, what can we do about it? Complaining about the device once is fair enough to raise awareness, but every thread I see seems like you are on a mission to destroy this community.
I don't see the relevance of comparing it to other devices. May as well say "Ferrari can make cars that fast, why can't my Prius?"
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Please tell me why the issue exists on phones like Redmi Note 4, redmi Note 5, Redmi Note 5 Pro and now Poco but the problem is not there on MiA1, MiA2, etc. You will say that the software is different that's right, but can't the issue be of hardware kind because if they used the same displays why not the same touch hardware? and why the problem is still not solved in the Redmi Note devices?
I tweeted them all and there are some bug reports, Xiaomi did not reply to anything.
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Please tell me why the issue exists on phones like Redmi Note 4, redmi Note 5, Redmi Note 5 Pro and now Poco but the problem is not there on MiA1, MiA2, etc. You will say that the software is different that's right, but can't the issue be of hardware kind because if they used the same displays why not the same touch hardware? and why the problem is still not solved in the Redmi Note devices?
I tweeted them all and there are some bug reports, Xiaomi did not reply to anything.
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isnt redmi the low ends of xiaomi ? not surprised if they used lower grade Digitizer , if you are taking about mi series or mi mix ,then something is wrong
shailendra1993 said:
Please tell me why the issue exists on phones like Redmi Note 4, redmi Note 5, Redmi Note 5 Pro and now Poco but the problem is not there on MiA1, MiA2, etc. You will say that the software is different that's right, but can't the issue be of hardware kind because if they used the same displays why not the same touch hardware? and why the problem is still not solved in the Redmi Note devices?
I tweeted them all and there are some bug reports, Xiaomi did not reply to anything.
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The issue does NOT exist on the Redmi Note 4, my Note 4 is perfectly fine.
The reason why devices are not updated by Xiaomi is because this is an OEM issue, OEM's will charge money to Xiaomi for fixes, and Redmi is budget crap line which Xiaomi don't want to go bankrupt over. You do know the Xiaomi fame of them having extremely small profit margins, right? If you want to have a 100% perfect digitizer on launch, go and pay twice as much for a device with identical specs.
This is a brand new device from a brand new department. We are the early adopters. Even the Google Pixel devices had major bugs when they first came out. Go get a refund if you're unhappy. And if you can't, then learn the lesson to not be an early adopter for a brand new product line.
The gain on the digitizer is too high (or the threshold is too low), it's a SOFTWARE issue. Simple as that. I don't have the device yet so I can't tell if it's in the kernel driver or the firmware, but it's 100% a software issue because literally all mobile phone digitizers are calibrated in software for the past decade. Anybody who knows anything about Linux/kernel development knows this stuff.
Enough with your non-constructive ramblings, it's not beneficial to the conversation at all. Stop being obnoxious and passive-aggressive with your patronizing questions.
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@OP, I wonder what digitizer hardware you have. Is there a service menu we know about yet? According to the kernel source and config there may be two possible digitizer panels for the Poco (just like how they often have two or three different LCD suppliers for one device).
If I notice an imperfect touch on my device when it arrives, I'm going to dig into the kernel source to see if I can find something - but if people have two different digitizer panels then that will complicate things.
Another thought:
Do you have a tempered glass protector? If not, try it. It could reduce the sensitivity. It may even be *intentional* to allow that.
CosmicDan said:
The issue does NOT exist on the Redmi Note 4, my Note 4 is perfectly fine.
The reason why devices are not updated by Xiaomi is because this is an OEM issue, OEM's will charge money to Xiaomi for fixes, and Redmi is budget crap line which Xiaomi don't want to go bankrupt over. You do know the Xiaomi fame of them having extremely small profit margins, right? If you want to have a 100% perfect digitizer on launch, go and pay twice as much for a device with identical specs.
Do you have a tempered glass protector? If not, try it. It could reduce the sensitivity. It may even be *intentional* to allow that.
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If you are saying it's a software bug, then I can believe it, I just want someone experienced to tell me if it's a s/w issue or h/w issue, the problem is getting rid of the phone is not easy, no one is buying this, Flipkart is making the issue more complex, the replacement itself took me 2 hours to explain the guy about the problems and I am not sure they will provide the return.
Also, Pixel had the issue fixed as soon as the issue was discovered and other OEM's had to fix the issue too, Google didn't charge money for that, the multitouch issue was fixed in May patch, why do you think it still exists in MIUI?
Zenfone Max Pro M1 is a ****ty device I agree but the device has the same spec as Redmi Note 5 Pro but costs a lot less and they have already fixed the issue, it's also a crappy budget phones and you know what? Zenfone is the worst company and well known for not fixing bugs, but they still did!
Talking about the go buy other crappy phones for more: Nokia 7 Plus and Honor Play are still a better deal only HPlay has a bad camera but Honor has a better support than atleast Xiaomi, their performance is not like Poco but atleast there is no lag, no framedrop, no structural issues, no touch issue or anything. I would be glad to switch only if I get my money, if not atleast someone from Xiaomi guarantee me that they issue will be fixed soon.
I see that you don't have the device till now, I will wait till you get the device and test it. Here is the bug report, see if you can reproduce it once you get your hands on it:
http://en.miui.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3746297&page=2#pid30155106
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Call me idiot or anything you want, I have kept the replacement that I got all packed up and didn't open the package, because I am trying to sell the package in case Flipkart refuses refund. I have to use an old Lenovo Vibe K4 Note instead.
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Wait for an update: I have very few days left to return the device, since Xiaomi is not telling if the bug will be fixed or not one can not say anything about it. Except for the 10 bug fix update MIUI9 is not going to get another update and all the bugs will be tested and fixed once MIUI10 is launched whose launch date is December 2018.
This is not my story, an admin said that all development work on MIUI9 (all versions) has been stopped.
People who installed MIUI10 on their Poco are not telling if the problem is fixed in the beta ROM but Redmi Note 5 Pro users are saying that the bug is still not fixed.
CosmicDan said:
The issue does NOT exist on the Redmi Note 4, my Note 4 is perfectly fine.
The gain on the digitizer is too high (or the threshold is too low), it's a SOFTWARE issue. Simple as that. I don't have the device yet so I can't tell if it's in the kernel driver or the firmware, but it's 100% a software issue because literally all mobile phone digitizers are calibrated in software for the past decade. Anybody who knows anything about Linux/kernel development knows this stuff.
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i. Many people don't seem to have this problem and the reviewers didn't report the problem with the Armoured edition, why? they have the same setup (hardware and software) right? And if the review units do have this problem then how come reviewers didn't say anything?
ii. Let's say they by mistake left a bug, that clearly means no testing was done with this device, they just launched it without checking anything. But what can you expect from a Chinese phone, right? So, why call it a flagship killer killer and why so much hype?
This is a real issue and needs to be fixed and Xiaomi should atleast show some respect by telling this to the customers and you are defending them for no reason. You have enough technical knowledge, do you really think we should have an inaccurate and slow input device just for the sake of a faster processor? because that's most stupid statement of all time. Input device should be as accurate and fast as the processor for full usage. It's like having a 1Gbit internet but a computer that can process only few MB per sec, the throughput will be a lot less and waste of money.
Hello.
Will this problem be fixed? Is it a software or hardware problem?
I will have to sell this phone if it does not fix it.
Thanks.
update:
Please, likes and leave comments there:
en.miui. com / forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3746297&page=3
We need to be noticed.
Video demonstration of the problem (playlist. 2 video):
youtube.com / watch?v=C6s2ZqwpkPY&list=PLFpEm6ANmniMdy13bBct5L-OxJrR3RLiY
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I answered your questions, I gave my opinion and shared the facts that I know, and you just ignored them and repeated yourself.
Please just stop spamming and hijacking threads with drama. You keep saying the same things over and over and it's just exhausting; nobody wants to read it anymore.
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@ Everyone with the issue,
Try the Magisk module mentioned in this thread (and read more about it there). It might solve it, might do nothing, might cause bootloop... good luck!
CosmicDan said:
I answered your questions, I gave my opinion and shared the facts that I know, and you just ignored them and repeated yourself.
Please just stop spamming and hijacking threads with drama. You keep saying the same things over and over and it's just exhausting; nobody wants to read it anymore.
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Do you have the phone?
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Do you have the phone?
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Irrelevant to the point I was making.
I told you to stay on topic and get over it. Posts reported for off-topic / spam / harassment, and congratulations for being the first person in my 9 years here to make it onto my Ignore List.
Enough of the back-and-forth here thanks guys... Keep things civil or move along.
There were something like that in a device called infinix zero 2. and it needed a screen protector to solve the issue.
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Please tell me why the issue exists on phones like Redmi Note 4, redmi Note 5, Redmi Note 5 Pro and now Poco but the problem is not there on MiA1, MiA2, etc. You will say that the software is different that's right, but can't the issue be of hardware kind because if they used the same displays why not the same touch hardware? and why the problem is still not solved in the Redmi Note devices?
I tweeted them all and there are some bug reports, Xiaomi did not reply to anything.
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I believe you're not a retard who keeps trying to get a slice of cheese on a electrified metal plate and keeps getting electricuted but still persist on taking the cheese from it. If you keep having issues with Xiaomi devices then why stay with the brand. Move on and look for other brands instead of staying and keeps whinning.
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I believe you're not a retard who keeps trying to get a slice of cheese on a electrified metal plate and keeps getting electricuted but still persist on taking the cheese from it. If you keep having issues with Xiaomi devices then why stay with the brand. Move on and look for other brands instead of staying and keeps whinning.
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Eh, just ignore it. I did try and report him but that was silly because I'm the one who look like a jerk in this thread haha but it's unfair to expect moderators to dig into the issue of him spamming across the 5+ threads.
So just ignore, and let's try and stay on topic. He will ignore everything you say an just keep repeating the lies of it being a defect on other devices as his main argument.
Hi, I am thinking to buy the Mi A3, since it got android one, OLED and much more. But I want to know, does the device standard on what it promises, so I want your opinion. Should I buy it or just go for other device.
riyan65 said:
Hi, I am thinking to buy the Mi A3, since it got android one, OLED and much more. But I want to know, does the device standard on what it promises, so I want your opinion. Should I buy it or just go for other device.
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The Android one project is really a scam at this point its may and still have a very buggy version of Android 10 that way delivered in April, the OLED is a good pannel but the resolution isn't the best ,the battery is good tho, I would recommend you to look for another device.
For the bad, honestly, it's the bugs. If you don't mind the bugs, most of them can be worked around without root. But the android 10 update has solved quite a few of them.
The fingerprint scanner can be really annoying sometimes, but it requires muscle memory. Push harder than the fingerprint you recorded and it won't recognize it.
The screen is OK. I don't really care for the dpi. It's perfectly sharp for average use.
Now the good.
Battery life is AMAZING. I consistently get over 12 hours of SOT, rarely less than 10.
The camera is very, very, very good. Pictures are just incredibly nice for this price range.
And the price. Really.
If you want an amazing battery life, buy it. No other phone I know in this price range has this battery life.
If you have ~160€ I think this is the best you can find for that price. If you don't have more money to spare, sure go for it. And know you'll have to workaround some bugs.
If you can get a little more money, get other phone.
If you don't wanna workaround the bugs, maybe check the Redmi note 8, but know the battery life ain't as good.
riyan65 said:
Hi, I am thinking to buy the Mi A3, since it got android one, OLED and much more. But I want to know, does the device standard on what it promises, so I want your opinion. Should I buy it or just go for other device.
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The only thing that I have been bothering me it is the amount of bugs with Android 10, Xiaomi solved one of them, but for me it is really anoying.
I was prefer wait three or four months more for Android 10, but without bugs.
No.
It is a great phone overall. What are the other alternatives? I got mine on nice sale. I personally wanted these specifications, so i got it.
NFC was maybe the only compromise. What else you can get?
- Huawei nova 5t? it may be better, was not released when i bought my phone, ot it was pricier, not sure. + have NFC
- Samsung Galaxy a30s- my girlfriend have that, the camera is not better, i even think it is worse, the battery may be better, her phone can hold some juice for a long time, like 2 days+, but you can do it with mi a3 also, the display is the same, exactly the same, but my fingerprint is faster( you does not need to hold it long or to press hard like that guy told you, even sometimes it is that fast, when i am lifting it from table or take it out of my pocket and slightly touching the sensor area it just unlock), also you can't find really that much customisation. But you will have NFC.
Don't buy Xioami, to be honest, their customer service is so bad it's remarkable they are still in business. Get out the no account authorization issue they have, you have to buy black-market support to fix any issue. 0/10 for support, stay far.
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Don't buy Xioami, to be honest, their customer service is so bad it's remarkable they are still in business. Get out the no account authorization issue they have, you have to buy black-market support to fix any issue. 0/10 for support, stay far.
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So it's better to play "black market" to be able to unlock your bootloader (Nokia) or that you can't unblock it at all (Huawei) or that it screws up your phone (Sony DRM, Samsung KNOX)? Don't be ridiculous, playing with bootloader and system has some risks, if you're not ready to eventually pay for your mistakes, keep your phone in stock state. Phone manufacturer has nothing to do with it.
mobile_fan_2k5 said:
Don't buy Xioami, to be honest, their customer service is so bad it's remarkable they are still in business. Get out the no account authorization issue they have, you have to buy black-market support to fix any issue. 0/10 for support, stay far.
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As far as i see you had a problem with the phone and you ended in a bootloop, that you had a problem it's your fault, in fact, if I'm not mistaken, they are the only company that allows unlocking, that's why there are so many developers..
That's one of the cheapest phones for the specs!
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So it's better to play "black market" to be able to unlock your bootloader (Nokia) or that you can't unblock it at all (Huawei) or that it screws up your phone (Sony DRM, Samsung KNOX)? Don't be ridiculous, playing with bootloader and system has some risks, if you're not ready to eventually pay for your mistakes, keep your phone in stock state. Phone manufacturer has nothing to do with it.
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Hi _mysiak_ Please read what I said :
I just said I am not a modder, I just ran an OTA and it's been dead since, and that's 5 months ago. The phone was stock, vanilla. I don't hack/mod phones I don't have the time.
Xiaomi forces us to go to the black market because they refuse to offer the correct support to customers
Again, I am not a modder/ hacker I did not mod my device. I did an OTA update and it went into boot loop ever since.
Check the MI forums this is not an edge case, Xiaomi have buggy OS updates that will kill your device (eg. Just like mine, check MI website hundreds, if not thousands of people have this issue and the only fix is to fly to China)
Check this official XDA post :
https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-edl-unbrick-authorized-mi-accounts/
Overall I would not buy, nor recommend a Xiaomi, I don't trust the brand. But hey that's my opinion, You had a better experience so at least you're lucky.
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Hi _mysiak_ Please read what I said :
I just said I am not a modder, I just ran an OTA and it's been dead since, and that's 5 months ago. The phone was stock, vanilla. I don't hack/mod phones I don't have the time.
Xiaomi forces us to go to the black market because they refuse to offer the correct support to customers
Again, I am not a modder/ hacker I did not mod my device. I did an OTA update and it went into boot loop ever since.
Check the MI forums this is not an edge case, Xiaomi have buggy OS updates that will kill your device (eg. Just like mine, check MI website hundreds, if not thousands of people have this issue and the only fix is to fly to China)
Check this official XDA post :
https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-edl-unbrick-authorized-mi-accounts/
Overall I would not buy, nor recommend a Xiaomi, I don't trust the brand. But hey that's my opinion, You had a better experience so at least you're lucky.
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Sorry, misunderstood your post. If it's still in stock state, you should apply for a warranty repair. Or pay a small fee for a 3rd party service and they'll do it remotely. In both cases I don't understand why you waited 5 months.. [emoji846] These things are unfortunate, but they happen sometimes, just like HW failures.
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As far as i see you had a problem with the phone and you ended in a bootloop, that you had a problem it's your fault, in fact, if I'm not mistaken, they are the only company that allows unlocking, that's why there are so many developers..
That's one of the cheapest phones for the specs!
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Yes, they are cheap and other offer unlocking also, I m just giving a review of my experience. I am not a modder, I don't unlock or mod, root anything last time I did so was LG G4. I just a vanilla android phone user that ACCEPTED an official OTA update and ever since I haven't gotten to use the device and I was told support to fix is only in China.
Again that's my experience if you had a better one congrats.
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Sorry, misunderstood your post. If it's still in stock state, you should apply for a warranty repair. Or pay a small fee for a 3rd party service and they'll do it remotely. In both cases I don't understand why you waited 5 months.. [emoji846] These things are unfortunate, but they happen sometimes, just like HW failures.
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Yes, I tried to fix it from day one but ran into the no authorization issue. I bought off Amazon where they said the warranty has passed. I will decide soon enough if I should fix, either way, I have moved.
After seeing this amount of negative reviews, I am just going to pass this device. Maybe I will go for Motorola, since they provide update regularly and bootloader unlock is available too. So I will go for Motorola. Thank you all, for let me know your suggestions.