Just read about this amazing article about /e/ and got really excited when I saw that there's an early beta available for "land" users. An android os which is free of Google. This is all I ever wanted. As this is currently my primary device I'm a little bit hesitant on trying this ROM. But would love to try if a stable version releases or I buy a new phone (whichever happens first). If you want you can try this ROM now from their official website. Do share your experience if possible.
Follow this link for land https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/wiki/en/wikis/device/land/info
But do we still possible to install gapps? I've never heard of it nor saw it anywhere else.
Edit: Oh, I aware the rom now. I might wanted to know more about this and test it.
I installed it and tested it.
System is extremely stable and completely free of bugs.
There is no play store or play services. It's developed keeping data privacy in mind.
MicroG is pre installed.
Apks can be manually installed.
Google account contacts, calendar etc can be synced.
It's based on android 7
please share screenshot on rom
Thanks
absq123 said:
I installed it and tested it.
System is extremely stable and completely free of bugs.
There is no play store or play services. It's developed keeping data privacy in mind.
MicroG is pre installed.
Apks can be manually installed.
Google account contacts, calendar etc can be synced.
It's based on android 7
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Android 7? Then I guess it's not treble based. So can you share a bit more info on the ROM like about battery life, daily usage and performance etc. I'm really curious.
Oh is IR blaster working? And how's the camera?
I've tried it too, I thought battery backup would be great without google thing around, but it's just the same, performance is slightly better than other nougat rom, but because of the animation, pie is still feels like faster and definitely have better battery backup. Stock camera is bad, cannot sync on google play account, chrome etc. But no major bug found. Well I guess I need google more than I know.
faatihf said:
cannot sync on google play account, chrome etc.
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Well its google-free for a reason
SMR96 said:
Well its google-free for a reason
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Yeah, I read it on some thread, you still could sync your google stuff with microg as google replacement, so that's why I got interested in. It might early build bug, and we could sync it after rom updated. I dunno.
faatihf said:
Yeah, I read it on some thread, you still could sync your google stuff with microg as google replacement, so that's why I got interested in. It might early build bug, and we could sync it after rom updated. I dunno.
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You can sync everything from your google account. You just have to do it manually from settings-accounts.
Sync is disabled by default.
absq123 said:
You can sync everything from your google account. You just have to do it manually from settings-accounts.
Sync is disabled by default.
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I've tried it. I couldn't sign-in to chrome, photos, play games and drive. Even though I manually logging-in it still say I'm not logged-in. By your mean sync "everything" can I see your synced photos, gdrive file, chrome bookmarks etc2?
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Everywhere I look people say don't remove Google Talk because the Play store and Gmail won't work, you will get force closes, etc ...
... but I have removed Google Talk and both Gmail and the Play store work fine, and I have had no force closes.
Is the warning on removing Google Talk outdated?
EDIT: Not sure if this matters, but I use wifi only. No data plan.
Haints said:
Everywhere I look people say don't remove Google Talk because the Play store and Gmail won't work, you will get force closes, etc ...
... but I have removed Google Talk and both Gmail and the Play store work fine, and I have had no force closes.
Is the warning on removing Google Talk outdated?
EDIT: Not sure if this matters, but I use wifi only. No data plan.
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If it works for you then it should be fine but if you get errors don't blame the rom.
I believe that it is involved with Google account sync functionality. I confirmed this back on the Captivate (Gmail syncing issues were remediated by signing in to GTalk). I would look in that realm first for issues to pop up (any Google account syncing). Why do you want to disable it? It uses virtually no resources: very battery friendly.
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If it works for you then it should be fine but if you get errors don't blame the rom.
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Seems to be so far and no I won't blame the rom if something goes wrong.
Simba501 said:
I believe that it is involved with Google account sync functionality. I confirmed this back on the Captivate (Gmail syncing issues were remediated by signing in to GTalk). I would look in that realm first for issues to pop up (any Google account syncing). Why do you want to disable it? It uses virtually no resources: very battery friendly.
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I sent myself an email via my PC and it immediately showed up on my phone ... doesn't that mean it is syncing correctly? I guess I uninstalled it because I like to strip my OS down as much as possible ... Next time I might just leave it, if it is as light as you say ...
Thanks both of you for responding!
Haints said:
Seems to be so far and no I won't blame the rom if something goes wrong.
I sent myself an email via my PC and it immediately showed up on my phone ... doesn't that mean it is syncing correctly? I guess I uninstalled it because I like to strip my OS down as much as possible ... Next time I might just leave it, if it is as light as you say ...
Thanks both of you for responding!
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Yes. Talk being functionally integrated with sync services may no longer be true, idk. This was on a much older OS.
Sent from my Galaxy S2
I remove Google talk from every ROM I use. And I've never had an issue.
Sent from my SGH-I777 using Tapatalk 2
Can anyone else confirm that the G-Talk app no longer works/signs in? Whenever I try signing in, all of my contacts and my own contact are permanently grayed out, despite having internet connectivity (tested both over wifi and cellular). When I tried installing Hangouts, this issue was no longer present, Really sucks because Hangouts is a major step backward from Google Talk for obvious reasons (no status messages, shows people who are away/busy as offline, bloated layout, bloated contacts list, doesn't show online status of people you are chatting with in same window, generally confusing UI, etc.)
Tried on Samsung SM-N900T (T-Mobile Note 3) but I do not believe this issue is device specific.
Thanks.
This is currently happening to me, although it works on a new install of my current ROM. This makes me wonder if a Play Services update (or similar service) killed it intentionally. I'm going to let everything update after a new install, while it's working, and see if it dies.
I'm seeing the same thing. It works if I update to hangouts.... ugh
So now I guess our next step is to figure out what service is killing Talk and revert that as well. Because as I said this works on a new install of my ROM that was built before whatever was pushed.
I don't have a problem with you updating an app - but if you're going to force me to use the updated version, don't strip it of the features that made it great! Looks like Google has officially gone astray from their old slogan of "Don't be evil."
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So now I guess our next step is to figure out what service is killing Talk and revert that as well. Because as I said this works on a new install of my ROM that was built before whatever was pushed.
I don't have a problem with you updating an app - but if you're going to force me to use the updated version, don't strip it of the features that made it great! Looks like Google has officially gone astray from their old slogan of "Don't be evil."
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What phone/version are you using?
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I found the culprit. It's Google Play services, which was updated Nov 5.
Uninstalling the update gives me gtalk connection back, but maps doesn't like it.
Looks like we need to find the apk before the update and prevent it from autoupdating
I can confirm that uninstalling the Google Play Services updates allows Talk to work fine again (Nexus 4). Also that some functions like "improved location" in Maps are asking for this update back.
What I don't really get is that I never enable auto-updates, only pick them manually, and that Talk suddenly stopped working last night. Even though the last Google play services update i did was at least a few weeks ago...sleeper feature? Or is Google Play Services updated anyway in the background? I'm not sure that finding the version prior to the one published on Nov 6th will fix the issue, at least without any drawback...
Google and its f*cked up Hangouts are really pissing me off. Forced updates, forced apps, I'm starting to feel like I'm dealing with Apple here.
mgl888 said:
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Nexus 4. Sorry, thought you would have seen that in my sig. Version 4.2.2-573038 of the app.
Royz1911 said:
Google and its f*cked up Hangouts are really pissing me off. Forced updates, forced apps, I'm starting to feel like I'm dealing with Apple here.
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Agreed. I don't mind even mind the update though. The reason there is forcing involved is because Google removed Talk's most important features and expects us to just deal with it. If things keep going this way, my next phone may very well be an iPhone or a Windows phone. I can't support a company that forces its customers to use featureless junk. Google needs to realize that while it still has the largest chunk of the market, there are two other major players, and they are not invincible by any means.
I'm using imo.im, at least for the time being.
Same here, I´ve noticed that Google Play Services update is the bad guy. The Hangouts (crap) works after the update. I removed the Google play services updates and gtalk worked again bit now the triangle with the exclamation about google play services keeps anoying me.
I´ve noticed on GPS (google play services) update, theere are two new permission requests and one of them is turn on/off network...
I´m sticking with gtalk and the triangle error
Sorry for my english, is not my native language.
Update: After disabling google+ notifications, the triangle on status bar has gone
Ugh. Kit Kat came with this all pre-loaded. I did install the Talk APK but yeah, it can't login. Not sure what I can force-downgrade to get it to work without breaking stuff too badly. Anyone have any ideas?
I really, really can't stand Hangouts. It's not an IM program.
On my Nexus 4, reverting Google play services allows me to use Talk again, but I noticed I am now unable to send mails with the Gmail app. I can receive just fine, but no way to send...anyone having this too (with the factory version of gplay services)?
Also the network icon constantly gets grayed out. It seems to be working fine... Strange though.
I update the gplay services again, no Gmail is too much to ask for me.
I'll use another messenger while waiting for a new gplay services update to come out. Or maybe waiting to get an previous apk that keeps the overall functions working just fine.
I remember when I would proudly feel satisfied with having chosen Google and Android over the rest. Hm not so much today. Wouldn't really quit android, but damn I hate seeing it weakened by those socially-networked-marketing-alterations.
If anyone has a decent backup for gplay services that allows talk AND the rest to work fine, I'll be interested! Gotta say I have the previous version (the one right before the Nov 5th update) in a nandroid bkp, and somehow Talk doesn't work anymore with it.
Royz1911 said:
On my Nexus 4, reverting Google play services allows me to use Talk again, but I noticed I am now unable to send mails with the Gmail app. I can receive just fine, but no way to send...anyone having this too (with the factory version of gplay services)?
Also the network icon constantly gets grayed out. It seems to be working fine... Strange though.
I update the gplay services again, no Gmail is too much to ask for me.
I'll use another messenger while waiting for a new gplay services update to come out. Or maybe waiting to get an previous apk that keeps the overall functions working just fine.
I remember when I would proudly feel satisfied with having chosen Google and Android over the rest. Hm not so much today. Wouldn't really quit android, but damn I hate seeing it weakened by those socially-networked-marketing-alterations.
If anyone has a decent backup for gplay services that allows talk AND the rest to work fine, I'll be interested! Gotta say I have the previous version (the one right before the Nov 5th update) in a nandroid bkp, and somehow Talk doesn't work anymore with it.
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First off, I have suffered from the same issue but found a solution. Secondly everyone should be aware that it depends on the Android version you are currently running if the Google Play Services can be downgraded without an issue. The best version that works with talk, maps & gmail is 4.0.31... if anyone needs a copy let me know! -RFE
I can confirm this issue... It is rather frustrating that I now have to use hangouts.
Hephaestus_ said:
Can anyone else confirm that the G-Talk app no longer works/signs in? Whenever I try signing in, all of my contacts and my own contact are permanently grayed out, despite having internet connectivity (tested both over wifi and cellular). When I tried installing Hangouts, this issue was no longer present, Really sucks because Hangouts is a major step backward from Google Talk for obvious reasons (no status messages, shows people who are away/busy as offline, bloated layout, bloated contacts list, doesn't show online status of people you are chatting with in same window, generally confusing UI, etc.)
Tried on Samsung SM-N900T (T-Mobile Note 3) but I do not believe this issue is device specific.
Thanks.
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you can try Google Hangout ong CHPLAY!
Talk seems to be working again since the latest Play Services update. At least it does on my phone (LG G2).
orl.on.dow said:
Talk seems to be working again since the latest Play Services update. At least it does on my phone (LG G2).
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Still not working for me. No idea if we'll even get that update on Kit Kat. What version do you see?
jethro1138 said:
Still not working for me. No idea if we'll even get that update on Kit Kat. What version do you see?
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4.0.33
orl.on.dow said:
4.0.33
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Darn, same version here, but gtalk still won't login ): Might be a kitkat thing.
mgl888 said:
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I found the culprit. It's Google Play services, which was updated Nov 5.
Uninstalling the update gives me gtalk connection back, but maps doesn't like it.
Looks like we need to find the apk before the update and prevent it from autoupdating
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I have the Samsung Galaxy S2 and the S4. On my S2 Google Talk works and on my S4 it doesn't. The both have the updated version of Google Play Service. So as for me that's not the solution.
I'm still trying to figure out a way for Talk to work on my S4.
Hangouts has grown on me. It was a bit bulky at first, but the UI is the same as Gmail and the new email app for 4.4 so I've gotten used to it. Plus now it can handle SMS messaging too its essential.
astralbee said:
Hangouts has grown on me. It was a bit bulky at first, but the UI is the same as Gmail and the new email app for 4.4 so I've gotten used to it. Plus now it can handle SMS messaging too its essential.
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It just doesn't do what I want it to do. I don't want all my contacts mixed in the same basket. IM contacts, email contacts, gmail contacts and phone/SMS contacts are NOT the same pool and I don't want them to be in the same pool. I want to be able to logout of IM and have people in the IM pool NOT BE ABLE TO CONTACT ME, for example - and right now I don't even have that anymore even if I never ever use Hangouts (which I don't). People can IM me when I'm offline and it goes to gmail and sits there for a week or two until I open gmail.
Again, I have no problem with Hangouts as The Big Social Integrator, but they should've left Talk out there for those of us who do not WANT it all integrated.
Do you hate Google Play Services and would rather not install it?
It's a well known fact that Google Play Services is a battery-eating monster, which cannot be tamed in any easy way.
Many prefer to simply get rid of it and forget about it, just like me!
This module is in no way a replacement for Google Play Services!
Some apps show annoying dialogs saying you need to install it, but in reality the app doesn't always require it (Snapchat is a good example).
This module disables the error dialog and notification APIs from Google and replaces them with nothing.
You can find the compatible apps list HERE.
Enjoy Google Play Services-free experience!
Compatible with all Android versions from 2.3 'Gingerbread' to 5.0 'Lollipop'.
Download: This App Will Run Without Google Play Services on Xposed Module Repository
Donations welcome! (via the donation button here on XDA)
XDA:DevDB Information
This App Will Run Without Google Play Services, Xposed for the Xposed Framework
Contributors
XspeedPL
Xposed Package Name: xeed.xposed.dngmod
Version Information
Status: Stable
Current Stable Version: 1.0
Stable Release Date: 2015-03-14
Created 2015-03-14
Last Updated 2016-03-07
Apps reported to work:
Maps
My Vodafone
Skyward
Snapchat (first login requires Google Play Services, can remove it after)
Viber
Apps reported to NOT work:
Gmail (alternative: CloudMagic)
Inbox
YouTube (alternative: Viral)
Already loving the idea about this. Have a list of which apps besides Snapchat? Would be nice if Google apps can get bypass this like voice.
Zaiaku said:
Already loving the idea about this. Have a list of which apps besides Snapchat? Would be nice if Google apps can get bypass this like voice.
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Sadly, no. I made this just with Snapchat in mind
But keeping a list of supported apps is a good idea, I'll try to find as many as I can.
cool
this is an amazing idea bcz google play service drain my battery
what do you advice me uninstalling it or freezing it ?
vip57 said:
this is an amazing idea bcz google play service drain my battery
what do you advice me uninstalling it or freezing it ?
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I personally uninstalled it and removed all traces of it from my phone.
Because YouTube app doesn't want to work, I installed Viral instead.
What if I installed Google play services, and I wanted to use Location or GPS, would that handle it ?
futchy4u said:
What if I installed Google play services, and I wanted to use Location or GPS, would that handle it ?
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This module isn't a replacement for Google Play Services (yet?).
However my phone's (XSP) GPS and aGPS works flawlessly without it somehow.
I was thinking of making this module simulate some functions in the API, but those are future plans.
nice idea! but it does not work with gmail? i still get the error message. i wish it could work with gmail and play store.
welp, restored my rom backup for now. still looking forward for future updates
this could be module of the year 2015 if this module can replace play services
XspeedPL said:
This module isn't a replacement for Google Play Services (yet?).
However my phone's (XSP) GPS and aGPS works flawlessly without it somehow.
I was thinking of making this module simulate some functions in the API, but those are future plans.
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Does maps work without google play services?
Btw an awesome module
Sent from MicroTitan
How can I removed play service?
I9100 Tapatalk, RR 5.0.2 Lollipop
koradiavatsal said:
Does maps work without google play services?
Btw an awesome module
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Maps work even without this module without Google Play Services
089man said:
How can I removed play service?
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First, you remove all updates from Google Play Services.
Then, you can use an app like THIS ONE to remove the system app.
Inbox doesn't work :crying:
Really nice idea however I can't live without gmail though
Viber is working when I deleted play services though
zach_95 said:
Really nice idea however I can't live without gmail though
Viber is working when I deleted play services though
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I'm sure there are better alternatives for a Google Mail client than Gmail
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I'm sure there are better alternatives for a Google Mail client than Gmail
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Never thought that heh. I'll test out more apps
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Never thought that heh. I'll test out more apps
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Yeah! In example, Viral is a cool alternative for the laggy YouTube app
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Yeah! In example, Viral is a cool alternative for the laggy YouTube app
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Cool! Maybe you can edit in op and write alternative apps too that way people wouldn't be too hesitant.
XspeedPL said:
This module isn't a replacement for Google Play Services (yet?).
However my phone's (XSP) GPS and aGPS works flawlessly without it somehow.
I was thinking of making this module simulate some functions in the API, but those are future plans.
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Thanks Bro,
Good luck, i'm gonna try it anyways, and I hope you could completely replace google services
I've got various Google apps running on my Fire HDX - Gmail, Google calendar, and so on. Last week I started seeing a notification that Gmail wanted a new version of Play Services, but I know that the latest Play Services (or any version past 7.099, I think it is) doesn't run on the HDX. So I downgraded Gmail, and it's happy.
However, another app I use, Business Calendar 2, is no longer updating itself properly. Since it piggybacks on Google Calendar, my theory is that it wants something in the new version of Services. Which I can't run.
Any ideas, short of replacing the stock ROM?
RobFreundlich said:
I've got various Google apps running on my Fire HDX - Gmail, Google calendar, and so on. Last week I started seeing a notification that Gmail wanted a new version of Play Services, but I know that the latest Play Services (or any version past 7.099, I think it is) doesn't run on the HDX. So I downgraded Gmail, and it's happy.
However, another app I use, Business Calendar 2, is no longer updating itself properly. Since it piggybacks on Google Calendar, my theory is that it wants something in the new version of Services. Which I can't run.
Any ideas, short of replacing the stock ROM?
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I heard the latest version of Google Play services (v7.5) integrates well with Fire OS. Look around the forums for conformation. I have no first hand experience as I run a different ROM
Davey126 said:
I heard the latest version of Google Play services (v7.5) integrates well with Fire OS. Look around the forums for conformation. I have no first hand experience as I run a different ROM
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I saw that in another forum thread, but when I installed it, I got the dreaded "Google Play Services has stopped". I'll head over to that other thread and see what they have to say.
Rob
I know it has been asked in the past, but the only actual threads I have found about it are from 2012-2013 at best, and things change very fast in the mobile world.
My question is: How can you make Android work without installing gapps? More specifically, I want to use Cyanogenmod, without installing the gapps package.
Now, I have never tried using Android without gapps, because I've heard about a lot of issues with it. Mostly, there seem to be big issues with GPS and syncing (especially contact and calendar syncing). Also, many apps will not work properly, or at all, without gapps installed. At least, this used to be the case. I have no idea, how it currently is and if there was any progress made by the people who try to run Android without Google.
What steps would I have to take in order to make Cyanogenmod run without installing gapps? To have it work with common apps like Whatsapp, a good map app with working GPS, push mail, and so on? Is it possible at all?
No one?
I've been running CM12.1 without GAPPS for almost one week now. WhatsApp and email work as usual. I use DAVdroid from the F-Droid store for calendar and contact syncing.
For more info, see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/week-gapps-sort-t3228183
CyanogenMod works even without Google Apps (reason why flashing the gapps package is optional). Sideloaded apps or from other sources such as F-Droid should work fine. If one app doesn't work, it might probably be dependent on Google Play Services or the play services framework
jb91 said:
I know it has been asked in the past, but the only actual threads I have found about it are from 2012-2013 at best, and things change very fast in the mobile world.
My question is: How can you make Android work without installing gapps? More specifically, I want to use Cyanogenmod, without installing the gapps package.
Now, I have never tried using Android without gapps, because I've heard about a lot of issues with it. Mostly, there seem to be big issues with GPS and syncing (especially contact and calendar syncing). Also, many apps will not work properly, or at all, without gapps installed. At least, this used to be the case. I have no idea, how it currently is and if there was any progress made by the people who try to run Android without Google.
What steps would I have to take in order to make Cyanogenmod run without installing gapps? To have it work with common apps like Whatsapp, a good map app with working GPS, push mail, and so on? Is it possible at all?
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Just flash Cyanogenmod zip file and don't flash Google apps...Thats all you have to do. You can use Cyanogenmod without Google apps without any problem.
You can install apps like WhatsApp with apk files ...you can download them everywhere. You don't need Google apps to install WhatsApp or any other app.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375
^ This started in 2012, but you can see it has been kept current by the OP from the editted date as well as the comments throughout the thread.
https://f-droid.org/
I'd never be interested in running my phone without Google, but it's cool there are options since everyone needs different things from their devices.