So was reading about Microsoft making a win10 custom ROM for android devices. Any chance we'll see it for our g3's? I'd love to give it a try.
The only thing I read was that MS was making it possible for Windows 10 to run Android Apps. Nothing about actually running Windows 10 Mobile on an Android device. That's news to me.
As it is, I despise Windows 8. It's horrid on a PC. Why would I want to use my PC like a mobile device? Absolutely the WORST decision Microsoft has ever made in the history of Windows (well, other than Bob). In the same vein, I hate the Windows Mobile interface as well. Just do not like it, so even if this is to be possible, no way would I do it. LOL!
iBolski said:
The only thing I read was that MS was making it possible for Windows 10 to run Android Apps. Nothing about actually running Windows 10 Mobile on an Android device. That's news to me.
As it is, I despise Windows 8. It's horrid on a PC. Why would I want to use my PC like a mobile device? Absolutely the WORST decision Microsoft has ever made in the history of Windows (well, other than Bob). In the same vein, I hate the Windows Mobile interface as well. Just do not like it, so even if this is to be possible, no way would I do it. LOL!
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I read it on CNET. I only use desktop view on my win8 PC. I haven't tried windows phones. I know the old ones sucked ass back when it was just windows mobile. My brother in law is in school for game Dev and he's super excited for win10. It's supposed to be the greatest leap for windows ever, or some sh**. Runs 1/3 lighter than win8.
caddermeran said:
I read it on CNET. I only use desktop view on my win8 PC. I haven't tried windows phones. I know the old ones sucked ass back when it was just windows mobile. My brother in law is in school for game Dev and he's super excited for win10. It's supposed to be the greatest leap for windows ever, or some sh**. Runs 1/3 lighter than win8.
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Ah, okay.
I remember that's what some people said about Windows 8. LOL! It still sucks regardless. We have Windows 2K12 servers here at work and when I have to log into one of those to administer web sites, I absolutely loath the interface. Start button my butt! It STILL pops me to that stupid main screen of tiles. If I want to find something not there, then I have move my mouse over to the search button way in the upper right-hand corner of the screen (of course, after clicking on the "Start" button to leave the desktop) and find it that way. I've pinned so many things to the task bar, it's uncanny. Worse design decision EVER by Microsoft.
Hey MS! My PC is NOT a mobile device! Quit treating it as such!
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Start button my butt! It STILL pops me to that stupid main screen of tiles.
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Or you could just use something like Classic Shell which will restore the start menu you are looking for.
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Or you could just use something like Classic Shell which will restore the start menu you are looking for.
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Yeah. I tried that and is does make it so much better, but it still just irks me how Microsoft decided to make a decision for me on how the ui should function and behave. Kind of like that fruit company. Lol. But 31st least, Microsoft didn't stop us from being able to use classic shell. Lol
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Yeah. I tried that and is does make it so much better, but it still just irks me how Microsoft decided to make a decision for me on how the ui should function and behave. Kind of like that fruit company. Lol. But 31st least, Microsoft didn't stop us from being able to use classic shell. Lol
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http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1...lock-classic-shell-in-windows-10-here-is-why/
To be fair I can understand doing this in the test builds since Microsoft is wanting feedback on their own start menu. But they have done it at this point what's to say they won't try to do this come prime time for Windows 10?
Its amazing to still see people struggling with windows 8.1/2012 r2. Functions just like any other windows to me. I press the start key, type the program I want, and it opens. Just like windows 7. Plus I can set it to boot to the desktop instead of the full screen start menu anyways. I bet most people don't even take the time organize tiles into named groups to make it look nice.
As for the Windows 10 on our G3's, I was thinking about this very same thing during the BUILD conference. Microsoft is actually testing a custom Windows 10 flashable ROM on I believe some Xiaomi phones. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised by "new" Microsoft if they open sourced this Windows 10 android mutant ROM.
They have already said that an open source version of Windows is definitely a possibility. Plus they are now supporting the Raspberry Pi 2 with a free Windows 10 build.
If there is one way that Microsoft could push me to a Windows 10 phone, it would have to be with Continuum. If I can have a phone with an x86 CPU, and be able to just connect it to a monitor and it becomes a fully blown PC! Then they have just made a customer out of me.
Windows 10 is great, but it's never going to run on the LG because no one is going to write the device specific drivers needed to make it work, which is also why ASOP/ CM ROMs never work very well .
People that hate Windows 8 don't have touch screens and Classic Shell installed.
From the beginning when asked about Windows 8, I've said, "only if you have a touch screen, otherwise you'll hate it".
I am looking forward to Windows 10.
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bb12489 said:
Its amazing to still see people struggling with windows 8.1/2012 r2. Functions just like any other windows to me. I press the start key, type the program I want, and it opens. Just like windows 7. Plus I can set it to boot to the desktop instead of the full screen start menu anyways. I bet most people don't even take the time organize tiles into named groups to make it look nice.
As for the Windows 10 on our G3's, I was thinking about this very same thing during the BUILD conference. Microsoft is actually testing a custom Windows 10 flashable ROM on I believe some Xiaomi phones. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised by "new" Microsoft if they open sourced this Windows 10 android mutant ROM.
They have already said that an open source version of Windows is definitely a possibility. Plus they are now supporting the Raspberry Pi 2 with a free Windows 10 build.
If there is one way that Microsoft could push me to a Windows 10 phone, it would have to be with Continuum. If I can have a phone with an x86 CPU, and be able to just connect it to a monitor and it becomes a fully blown PC! Then they have just made a customer out of me.
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I understand how it works, but it's still a major shock. I'm used to NOT having to switch from desktop mode to the tile mode and then have to search for my app. It's more clicks/operations:
1. Hit window key or start button to switch to start screen
2. Scan the tiles or move my mouse to the search button and click it.
3. Type in the app to find and run
Old way:
1. Hit the window key or start button.
2. Type in the search button and my app shows up and run it.
Again, this works great for mobile devices, but the desktop, it's hideous. And this is nothing new. Ubuntu did this years ago and it also was horrid and people despised it. To this day, on Ubuntu, I will not run that interface. I replace it with either the KDE desktop or something else.
The overall movement of the interface is just awkward on a PC. It makes no sense at all.
But, that's my opinion I guess, but it appears to be a lot of people's feelings as well.
iBolski said:
I understand how it works, but it's still a major shock. I'm used to NOT having to switch from desktop mode to the tile mode and then have to search for my app. It's more clicks/operations:
1. Hit window key or start button to switch to start screen
2. Scan the tiles or move my mouse to the search button and click it.
3. Type in the app to find and run
Old way:
1. Hit the window key or start button.
2. Type in the search button and my app shows up and run it.
Again, this works great for mobile devices, but the desktop, it's hideous. And this is nothing new. Ubuntu did this years ago and it also was horrid and people despised it. To this day, on Ubuntu, I will not run that interface. I replace it with either the KDE desktop or something else.
The overall movement of the interface is just awkward on a PC. It makes no sense at all.
But, that's my opinion I guess, but it appears to be a lot of people's feelings as well.
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You're already doing more work then you need to in Windows 8 to search for things. There's no need to ever move your mouse or click the search icon. Just press the windows key and start typing your program name. It starts searching automatically as soon as you start typing. Its the same function as in windows 7. The only difference is that the start menu is full screen with pin-able tiles for most used programs. In terms of how many clicks it takes to navigate to a program, its substantially less in 8 than in 7.
I've never really considered the windows 8 tile menu to be much of a "tablet mode" though. Just a fancy start menu. In windows 10 however, it goes a bit deeper to make the OS more touch friendly when it detects you are on a tablet. Its been great on my Surface Pro 3. Automatically puts it into tablet mode when I disconnect my type cover.
I am a fan of Windows 8.1 (not so much 8), but it did have issue that I think Microsoft has dealt with beautifully in Windows 10.
Ya'll are both making it harder than it needs to be, simply find the shortcut exe's you use frequently and put a shortcut on your desktop for them. Then, set the pc to auto boot to desktop. Then, the number of times you'll have to deal with the (admittedly hideous) metro start screen will be minimal
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Ya'll are both making it harder than it needs to be, simply find the shortcut exe's you use frequently and put a shortcut on your desktop for them. Then, set the pc to auto boot to desktop. Then, the number of times you'll have to deal with the (admittedly hideous) metro start screen will be minimal
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Or install Classic Shell which brings back the classic start menu and lets you bypass the Metro UI.
... or stick with Windows 7 like I am.
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Or install Classic Shell which brings back the classic start menu and lets you bypass the Metro UI.
... or stick with Windows 7 like I am.
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And this is where I stay as well. Sorry, that Metro interface is horrid, period. Switching from desktop to the start screen is jarring to say the least. I just have NOT been able to get used to it. My PC does not have a touch screen, so it's even worse. My daughter has a notebook that has a touch screen, so it's fine there, but the UI is made for a touch screen and not every PC has one.
Yes, you can install Classic Shell, but again, why should I have to? Microsoft should have given us the option to have either one.
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And this is where I stay as well. Sorry, that Metro interface is horrid, period. Switching from desktop to the start screen is jarring to say the least. I just have NOT been able to get used to it. My PC does not have a touch screen, so it's even worse. My daughter has a notebook that has a touch screen, so it's fine there, but the UI is made for a touch screen and not every PC has one.
Yes, you can install Classic Shell, but again, why should I have to? Microsoft should have given us the option to have either one.
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To be fair I use Classic Shell on Windows 7 since I prefer the Windows XP Start Menu setup and I can customize things around such themeing and removing stuff that I don't use.
bb12489 said:
As for the Windows 10 on our G3's, I was thinking about this very same thing during the BUILD conference. Microsoft is actually testing a custom Windows 10 flashable ROM on I believe some Xiaomi phones. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised by "new" Microsoft if they open sourced this Windows 10 android mutant ROM.
They have already said that an open source version of Windows is definitely a possibility. Plus they are now supporting the Raspberry Pi 2 with a free Windows 10 build.
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I can see them putting out a flashable Windows ROM to certain devices, but no way it will be open source. They may well call it something like "Source Open Visual Basic" and make you use some proprietary IDE that only runs on Windows to manipulate themes or apps settings, but Microsoft will never open source any of their core products. Licensing and filesystems require separation of the two OS's. The only way they can get in on the Android action is to create some compatibility layer or emulator to run Android apps on their OS or build apps for distribution to Android users.
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I can see them putting out a flashable Windows ROM to certain devices, but no way it will be open source. They may well call it something like "Source Open Visual Basic" and make you use some proprietary IDE that only runs on Windows to manipulate themes or apps settings, but Microsoft will never open source any of their core products. Licensing and filesystems require separation of the two OS's. The only way they can get in on the Android action is to create some compatibility layer or emulator to run Android apps on their OS or build apps for distribution to Android users.
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That's just giving instru...ff from Android or iPhone to a Windows phone.
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I'm hoping someone could shed some light on this topic as it truly is a deal breaker for me.
Both Linux and Mac OSx operating systems can run applications in a remote x11 display server, and I am sure it could be achieved on Windows OS as well through virtualisation.
The problem is, none of the XSDL (X11 Server) applications work in Remix OS and don't function properly with input methods either. For me, it just flickers on and off without any input or sound.
Is there any way to actually get X11 working within Remix OS? and I hope someone at Jide sees this and makes it a feature (integrated with their window support) because it would function/look just like the applications are running within the OS natively. (My boxes are connected directly by ethernet to a port switch, I would rather not keep switching my kb/m and monitor inputs all the time.)
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Please somebody reply quickly, I need the ball rolling asap and a solution by tonight. The thing nearly works, if it didn't flicker every other frame and accepted input. Don't mind the window not moving for now, just need to be able to get on with my job. Cash Reward of upto £25.00 for working answer!
It just isn't going to happen is it? Most people who uses Remix OS likely doesn't have the capacity to use real linux, and therefore doesn't care about X Windows. Will just have to remove it and use linux with a horrible UI to get the job done. Android x86 has been always broken, always will be; nothing has really improved in years since it started. It runs as bad as day one. Apart from now its full of branded bloatware.
Mods feel free to close this thread, I am out.
Crossover is actually a commercial version of Wine with some extras. It's an application that, makes it possible to run Windows programs (.exe files) on other OS. It only works with Chromebook/Android devices with X86 processors
https://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover-android
I have installed it on my Yoga Book and i got Steam and Unreal Tournament 2004 running. I also tried with Unreal Tournament GOTY and Battlefield, but i ran into some problems.
Does Krita work ?
I am thinking about installing Crossover. When I did the basic research I got confused about it running on Chrome vs. Android. Thanks for pointing out it works on the Yoga Book. I have applied and hope to get approved for the beta. I'll report back if and when I do.
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Does Krita work ?
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I don't know, because i can't run or install exe files. I can only run programs and games installed by the build in installer or steam. I wrote that as a feedback to the developer. Also that we can't use Esc key since it acts as the back button.
what about the windows performance then and the required space?
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what about the windows performance then and the required space?
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I havent mesaured the performance. But you can expect it to a lot better than dosbox, since it's not actually an Emulator That is also why your hardware need to have a x86 processor. It's also early to judge the performance, since it's still in Alpha.
It doesn't require a lot of space. I can't see how much space it uses since i have a couple games installed. The app itself were around 70 mb when i installed it.
FTL doesn't start up, sadly
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I don't know, because i can't run or install exe files. I can only run programs and games installed by the build in installer or steam. I wrote that as a feedback to the developer. Also that we can't use Esc key since it acts as the back button.
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Ok i just figured out, that the exe files must placed on the c drive to be runable. Krita x86 has a critical error when i try to run it. It might be fixed, since the app only is in alpha stage. I tried to run it as windows 7 and windows 10. maybe i need to manually install some aditional programs or modules like directx
Just got a reply from the developer. I should look out for an update with improved application compatibility. Sounds great to me
Crossover is using 416 mb space with nothing installed in it.
Thanks for sharing this info. I signed up and hope to test drive this on my Yoga Book too.
Hope to have some Windows photoshop action on the go.
Could not get Windows Gimp to install. Is there a lean version of photoshop or Lightroom that works with crossover Android yet?
There is a new update out. It should improve on compability, and it has a new interface.
How long did take for the beta invite to come? I would really like to give this a go, and i'm checking my email hourly.
Couple days
ClausG76 said:
Crossover is actually a commercial version of Wine with some extras. It's an application that, makes it possible to run Windows programs (.exe files) on other OS. It only works with Chromebook/Android devices with X86 processors
https://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover-android
I have installed it on my Yoga Book and i got Steam and Unreal Tournament 2004 running. I also tried with Unreal Tournament GOTY and Battlefield, but i ran into some problems.
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What is the procedure to installing crossover on to the yoga book? I'm interested in using it but I'm a little confused on the installation process cay you help/advise please. Si
Installing of crossover is just an install from the play store, once your accepted on the beta test. (It wont appear before.) After that, you then install the windows apps your interested in, from within Crossover. Steam works well if that's what your after. Tried a few games. I could not get any versions of IE to work yet. Not that most people would want to. Otherwise it depends what windows apps you want.
Office does not work, at least the 2016 or 2013 version
Hello
Have anyone had any success in using Crossover? After the last update I can't get steam to run anymore. And I have C&C Red alert running. But it's running in a tiny window and the window goes black when the menu appear. I have been playing around with the resolution setting, but it doesn't help.
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Hello
Have anyone had any success in using Crossover? After the last update I can't get steam to run anymore. And I have C&C Red alert running. But it's running in a tiny window and the window goes black when the menu appear. I have been playing around with the resolution setting, but it doesn't help.
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Guy from Codeveawers replied
"A lot of the lightweight OpenGLES 3D graphics system that Android uses hasn't been connected into the corresponding OpenGL hooks that Crossover Android is trying to translate yet. So a lot of game titles will display a blank black screen or distorted graphics when run in Crossover Android. We continue to work on this and it should be able to run more games correctly over time."
I can run Finale 2014, Gimp 2.0, Libre Office, Text games editor, Mozilla Firefox, Note pad++.
I have tried games, but only Freeciv works good.
I have Zenfone 2 on RR 5.7.4.