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So if the Vibrant is only 800X480, why does a 720p movie look better than a 480 movie, it seems like the max is 480..... Also, if the Iphone 4 has 960x640, even though it looks amazing, way better than any android, it isnt actually playing a 720p video in full either is it? yes i realize how stupid that question seems to many of you. I couldnt figure out how to search google for the question. So enlighten me if you can. After you give me crap for not searching of course...thanks
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So if the Vibrant is only 800X480, why does a 720p movie look better than a 480 movie, it seems like the max is 480..... Also, if the Iphone 4 has 960x640, even though it looks amazing, way better than any android, it isnt actually playing a 720p video in full either is it? yes i realize how stupid that question seems to many of you. I couldnt figure out how to search google for the question. So enlighten me if you can. After you give me crap for not searching of course...thanks
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What is the resolution of the movie you are comparing it to? What is the format of the movie? How was it compressed? All of this and more affects the resolution of the video. If you have a 720p movie, it my be down-converted to 480 on playback, but because it was compressed at a higher quality (and maybe in a less lossy format), it's going to look better than a movie compressed in standard-definition (and more than likely at lower data rates).
because 720 is bigger than 480, the image size is bigger and usually has a higher bitrate too than a regular 480 video, so if 720 is played on anything smaller than a 720display, it gets resized (downsized) to fit the screen (without any quality loss), in this case a 480 screen. So all those pixels on the 720 video get pushed closer together thus showing more detail on the 480 screen.
a 480 video usually looks just fine on a 480 display, but since a 720 video is bigger and was meant for higher resolution screens, it has a higher bitrate which makes it store more detail than a 480 video, that's why it looks better
thanks for the replies, that makes perfect sense. if its 720 pixels i didnt understand how they could all be on a screen capable of only 480 but i guess compressing the video maintains the quality.
And to answer the questions, i just dl a movie, and drag and drop to my vibrant through doubletwist which takes care of the conversion. Although ive noticed none of the videos i download look nearly as good as default Avatar. I dl 1080/720 movies and they always have the very pronounced, large pixels when there is action and bright colors. But Avatar looks great so i guess maybe i could use something other than doubletwist and get a better quality conversion? Because the Vibrant is clearly capable of displaying fast action and huge varieties of colors like in Avatar
That said im ready for HTC/Moto/Samsung to start popping out some high res displays to rival the I4. The Vibrant has a nice screen but put it next to the damn I4 and it looks downright dull. I guess that tiny 3.5" screen next to the Vibrant's perfectly sized 4" display benefits the I4 visually as well...
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thanks for the replies, that makes perfect sense. if its 720 pixels i didnt understand how they could all be on a screen capable of only 480 but i guess compressing the video maintains the quality.
And to answer the questions, i just dl a movie, and drag and drop to my vibrant through doubletwist which takes care of the conversion. Although ive noticed none of the videos i download look nearly as good as default Avatar. I dl 1080/720 movies and they always have the very pronounced, large pixels when there is action and bright colors. But Avatar looks great so i guess maybe i could use something other than doubletwist and get a better quality conversion? Because the Vibrant is clearly capable of displaying fast action and huge varieties of colors like in Avatar
That said im ready for HTC/Moto/Samsung to start popping out some high res displays to rival the I4. The Vibrant has a nice screen but put it next to the damn I4 and it looks downright dull. I guess that tiny 3.5" screen next to the Vibrant's perfectly sized 4" display benefits the I4 visually as well...
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don't use doubletwist to put videos on your phone if they are already compatible with the vibrant, like a 720 video, vibrant can handle that..and all I explained was about the vibrant playing back the 720 video without conversion (just dragging and dropping the 720 video to the phone)
you have been playing the wrong movies or using the wrong convesion settings cause my movies look amazing, up to par and sometimes even better than the iphone 4. Have a look at one of my threads and download the video i uploaded (just drag and drop to phone don't use doubletwist or any other conversion method) and you will see what the vibrant screen is capable of.
thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=780155
Thanks. Avatar looks great so I realize movies can look amazing, like you said I'm just doing something wrong. Ill check your link, thanks again
Hopefully someone can help! I have had the xoom, and now have the 32g Galaxy tab and got the wife a TF. The issue is gallery photo's always show as 4:3, with black bars on each side. This is the case if the pictures are taken with the tab or my digital camera, even set on 16:9 landscape mode! I have tried both resolutions on the tab with no luck, as well as almost every gallery app on the market. I do not want to crop every photo every time just to fill the 1280x800 screen.
I viewed the widescreen format as a big plus over apple's 4:3, but atleast the gallery on the ipad fills the whole screen. What i have been doing is using quick pic with 1 tap zom and centering the picture. I really bought this tablet to show off picture of the new baby. It's just very embarrasing and time consuming to spend $ 600 plus on a wide screen tablet only to lose 30% or so of the image, not to mention, this 10.1 bigger than ipad is actually smaller, about 9.6 when you account for the display loss taken by the soft keys.
I called both Motorola which was a huge waste of time..... clueless pure script! As well as Samsung, who verified my problem with one of theirs ....but had no suggestions. I havesearched high and low online for a fix to no avail, Im shocked more people aren't complaining about this, or im just doing something wrong......
I really hate stating the obvious here, but the tab camera takes photos in a 4:3 aspect ratio. Most cameras take 4:3 pictures by default so you might want to check the settings on whatever camera you're using.
Have you tried downloading a 16:9 photo off the internet and viewing it with the default gallery or QuickPic?
As i had stated, pictures taken on my camera were take in 16:9. They all show perfectly full screen on everything from my 17 laptop to my 160 inch screen in my theater...... Basically no issues anywhere but on an android tablet.
WOW...... Xda devolpers? and no one has a suggestion?
I assume the 4:3 gallery concern could be corrected with an application that forces gallery pictures to display in 1280x800 or whatever it is after subtracting the wasted soft key space, in 16:9/16:10. Im not the only one with the issue, It seems everyone does. With that being said, I see a great opportunity to make a great deal of income from a pretty basic app. Am I asking too much for my widescreen to display as widescreen should, in full screen?
try the General Android section
Does anyone have a recommendation of a Youtube video that would be good for testing the screen on a phone?
I'm thinking of waiting until the S3 comes out so I can compare the screens side by side, but I'm guessing most stores aren't going to let me bring in my own SD card with a test video on it.
I'm wanting a HD video that shows off skin tone, color saturation, and blacks so I can decide for myself which screen looks better.
Batman: The Dark Knight is pretty much the standard go-to for videophiles for showcasing their HDTV's capabilities. Pretty sure you could find an HD clip on YT.
For me, when the screens are close in quality compared to each other, it can be really difficult to see the differences using "movies" unless you're taking screen shots.
I'd recommend you use calibration videos similar to these. These can really highlight the differences in pixel density, pentile, etc.
I just sold my transformer prime infinity...and coming from that, im disappointed with the screen. How could a lower resolution screen on the prime look sharper than the one on the nexus?
Well I was just looking around here and I don't have a Nexus 10. I got a Galaxy Note 10.1 and from my experience the picture matters a lot.
I mean there are a lot of wallpaper sites with ultra HD and optimized wallpapers for retina display, but the same resolution is not always the same sharpness. some are crappy cropped or zoomed.
Use quickpic to set your background picture. The stock gallery app sometimes crops the pictures false.
And pictures with a resolution below the maximum resolution will always look a bit crappy. that means that when you are using a fullHD picture, which was nice for transformer prime, it can look less sharp on a display with higher resolution like nexus 10
I too come from Prime and there is no contest, this screen is sharper than Prime by miles.
How stuff looks will depend on what you are seeing.
If you have set regular wallpaper, it will look all blurry thanks to resolution. Even so called HD wallpapers will look blurry on this. You need to go search for wallpapers for MacBook Pro retina and use those on this tablet using quickpic. None of the apps from Android market have good wallpapers that are having native resolution of this tablet.
Text is sharp and crisp on this.
Most arcade games are not optimised for this screen and look terrible or blurry. That is not screen's fault.
Desktop web pages look nice full and crisp. So only real issue of lack of sharpness comes into picture when the content is not ready for screen. That includes apps, images and games.
I also come from Prime.
I wouldn't say the Prime screen looks sharper than the Nexus 10. Reading text on the N10, for example, the resolution is really amazing, very nice on the Nexus 10.
The colors and brightness and blacks is a different story. The Prime had those 3 much nicer than the Nexus 10. I loved playing Marble Blast on the Prime, the graphics looked amazingly vivid. On the Nexus 10 they appear as meh.
Its the prime infinity. Drastic difference. What a shame. Gonna put the nex up 4sale.
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I just sold my transformer prime...and coming from that, im disappointed with the screen. How could a lower resolution screen on the prime look sharper than the one on the nexus?
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It's mainly because a lot of apps and mobile sites and such aren't made for the resolution. It's made for a smaller resolution, so to make up for that, the apps, mobile sites, and whatever else are all upscaled to fit the 2560x1600 resolution. While upscaling allows you to view things bigger, it will also make everything else a slightly blurry. There are upscaling algorithms to make it look better, but basically it's impossible to make upscaled images look as good as a native 2560x1600 image.
A 720p 10" screen (Note 10.1) will show a 720p video the cleanest because the video outputs a ratio of exactly 1:1 pixels.
A 1080p 10" screen (TF prime) will show a 720p video a bit blurrier because the video outputs a ratio of 2.25:1 pixels.
A 1440p 10" screen (N10) will show a 720p video the blurriest because the video outputs a ratio of 4:1 pixels. (I know the N10 has a 1600p screen, it's just to make calculations slightly easier)
Now when using a 1080p video, a 720p screen will show no improvement because the screen can't output those extra pixels.
When using a 1080p screen, the screen will look sharper than that 720p screen because you have more information. Consider watching TV of a 10x10 resolution vs 1920x1080 resolution. The 1920x1080p resolution will look far better
Once again, the 1440p will look slightly blurry.
Now when you use a 1440p video, you can probably guess which screen will output that video the cleanest.
So basically, this high resolution thing is good mainly for texts as of right now since nothing is really optimized for a screen beyond 1080p.
Anyone who thinks its possible for a much lower resolution screen to be sharper is a fool. This screen is absolutely dazzling. Though content displayed is obviously going to have an affect.
And just to shove some numbers in your face:
N10 - 300.24 PPI (2560x1600 @ 10.055") 4,096,000 pixels (78% MORE)
Prime Infinity - 226.42 PPI (1920x1200 @ 10") 2,304,000 pixels
That's a huge difference.
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It's mainly because a lot of apps and mobile sites and such aren't made for the resolution. It's made for a smaller resolution, so to make up for that, the apps, mobile sites, and whatever else are all upscaled to fit the 2560x1600 resolution. While upscaling allows you to view things bigger, it will also make everything else a slightly blurry. There are upscaling algorithms to make it look better, but basically it's impossible to make upscaled images look as good as a native 2560x1600 image.
A 720p 10" screen (Note 10.1) will show a 720p video the cleanest because the video outputs a ratio of exactly 1:1 pixels.
A 1080p 10" screen (TF prime) will show a 720p video a bit blurrier because the video outputs a ratio of 2.25:1 pixels.
A 1440p 10" screen (N10) will show a 720p video the blurriest because the video outputs a ratio of 4:1 pixels. (I know the N10 has a 1600p screen, it's just to make calculations slightly easier)
Now when using a 1080p video, a 720p screen will show no improvement because the screen can't output those extra pixels.
When using a 1080p screen, the screen will look sharper than that 720p screen because you have more information. Consider watching TV of a 10x10 resolution vs 1920x1080 resolution. The 1920x1080p resolution will look far better
Once again, the 1440p will look slightly blurry.
Now when you use a 1440p video, you can probably guess which screen will output that video the cleanest.
So basically, this high resolution thing is good mainly for texts as of right now since nothing is really optimized for a screen beyond 1080p.
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I actually have to disagree with you a little bit here. 720p video should look just as good on the Nexus 10 as it does on the Note 10.1. 1280x800 times 2 is 2560x1600. Because of that each pixel of a 720p video will take up exactly 4 pixels on the Nexus 10; however those 4 pixels on the N10 are the same area that would be a single pixel on the Note 10.1. This is a clean ratio. On the TF700 you got to 1920x1200 which is 1.5 times 1280x800. This is not a whole ratio and means that pixels of a 720p video will take up between 1 and 4 pixels on the TF700 display (determined by a fancy algorithm for scaling images).
The Nexus 10 playing 1080p video should have about the same blurriness as the TF700 playing 720p video.
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Anyone who thinks its possible for a much lower resolution screen to be sharper is a fool. This screen is absolutely dazzling. Though content displayed is obviously going to have an affect.
And just to shove some numbers in your face:
N10 - 300.24 PPI (2560x1600 @ 10.055") 4,096,000 pixels (78% MORE)
Prime Infinity - 226.42 PPI (1920x1200 @ 10") 2,304,000 pixels
That's a huge difference.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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Lol as a former owner of both (returned Prime C1 for 700 a C6 then returned that, and I started the thread in Prime forums for users who Asus lost our first mailed GPS dongles)- your fooling yourself or you got a N10 with a bad screen
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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You can most likely blame that on googles new font rendering in 4.2. They turned down the font hinting a lot. It would be nice if it was configureable like in Linux. It the same way on the galaxy nexus and nexus 7 in 4.2.
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The problem with this screen is calibration and black levels.
Colors are extremely washed, red is a poor red, same with blue. This totally kills the screen. If you compare this with ipad screen, you will cry. Not because of viewing angles, not because of brightness, because of colours. Google was really smart when they decided not to calibrate their screens, same with nexus 4, while other OEMs take care of this thing deeply.
And black, despite numbers of the reviews, its quite poor, mostly because every single unit has light bleed (some with a hard mess, others this problem is smaller)
As a result, a top screen with such a poor implementation. This could be best screen in an tablet ever, and now it is a mediocre one, with many pixels, but nothing else. And it's a ****ing software issue, thats so sad.
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And it's a ****ing software issue, thats so sad.
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light bleed is not a software issue
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light bleed is not a software issue
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Yep, meant the calibration thing, it's about software. Black thing is because a bad manufacturing process, probably because of low price tag., or crappy manufacturers.
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You can most likely blame that on googles new font rendering in 4.2. They turned down the font hinting a lot. It would be nice if it was configureable like in Linux. It the same way on the galaxy nexus and nexus 7 in 4.2.
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Wow...that blows. Maybe we need a 4.1 ROM??
I saw light bleed as soon as I turned my N10, but that's not the reason I just called to return it -- it was the uneven brightness. The top 1/2 inch of the screen is noticeably darker than the rest of it -- not visible when watching a movie or playing games, but very distracting when surfing and reading books, especially in portrait mode.
Since I haven't seen anyone else complain about this issue, I'm hopeful the replacement will be better.
Yep, I completely agree with one of the previous posters, this is definetly a black level issue. I put the iPad with a Retina Display right against a Nexus 10 both playing the same 1080i MKV. The iPad clearly won.
I still like the Nexus 10 a lot and I find it very comfortable to use because of how thin it is and how light it is, but to improve the product I think Google missed it some here. They could lowered the resolution considerably (1920 x 1080 is more than fine), improved on black level, and used the same processor. The lower resolution would have allowed that processor to scream since it wouldn't have been as taxed to interpolate so many pixels.
I don't know if it is a software issue or not, but if it is I really hope Google releases a fix. If there was a way to adjust Gamma or Contrast it might help considerably.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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There's no way on earth text (or other computer generated content like the UI and icons) will look better on a 147PPI display (Prime) vs. 224PPI (TF700) or 300PPI (N10). The reason is as 404 Error did a great job of explaining is that text is a 1:1 match pixel wise; the more pixels the sharper the image. Photos and videos display even the clearest content over multiple pixels so the advantage of a higher PPI becomes less pronounced. And the human eye (even yours) can't resolve sharpness over 229PPI beyond 15". So, your 20/20 eyes are decieving you. The N10 has less contrast and isn't as bright as older displays so that might be what you're reacting to.
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This could be best screen in an tablet ever, and now it is a mediocre one,
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well lets hope this guy will change that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9H-TtObBY
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I saw light bleed as soon as I turned my N10, but that's not the reason I just called to return it -- it was the uneven brightness. The top 1/2 inch of the screen is noticeably darker than the rest of it -- not visible when watching a movie or playing games, but very distracting when surfing and reading books, especially in portrait mode.
Since I haven't seen anyone else complain about this issue, I'm hopeful the replacement will be better.
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Mine has this problem and so do at least a few others. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2007676
I'm still debating if it annoys me enough to justify an exchange.
All,
The one thing irritating me about the V30 is the screen during YouTube... The 18:9 resolution is a issue... .. YouTube has a pinch to zoom thing to fix this issue for full screen videos scaling properly... Samsung crops the videos... Is there something we can do for the LG V30?
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Sean
What exactly is the issue here?
I've read your post 5 times trying to look for the problem
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What exactly is the issue here?
I've read your post 5 times trying to look for the problem
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Umgh the issue is there are black bars in the full screen videos in Youtube as the videos are 16:9 aspect ratio and V30 is 18:9... Samsung has a fix for the S8 which has a similar aspect ratio of cropping the video to fit the screen... Youtube's app supposedly fit videos to the screen with a pinch to zoom for 18:9 aspect ratio phones but doesn't seem to be working for V30.... Asking if anyone has a solution to this...
This pinch to zoom (or rather crop?) feature seems to be exclusive to the Pixel 2 XL at the moment.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/help/screen-youtube-t3583449
This works for the v30
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/help/screen-youtube-t3583449
This works for the v30
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Sorry, what method in that thread exactly works? I see people talking about a hidden menu, but I couldn't get that to activate, and I also see people talking about a modded YouTube. app. Which one did you mean?
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Sorry, what method in that thread exactly works? I see people talking about a hidden menu, but I couldn't get that to activate, and I also see people talking about a modded YouTube. app. Which one did you mean?
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The last couple of pages explaining the 2 apk files (modded YouTube app)
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/help/screen-youtube-t3583449
This works for the v30
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Thanks for this! Now if we could only get hdr support.
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What exactly is the issue here?
I've read your post 5 times trying to look for the problem
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basically he dislikes correct aspect ratios on the video and wants the video to fill the entire messed up ratio of the physical screen cause he doesn't like black bars.
it's the equivalent of "stretching" a 4:3 image to fit full screen on a 16:9 TV.
I've never comprehended why people prefer this. The video aspect ratio is how it was recorded. doing anything to it either crops out part of the image (old pan and scan style) or distorts the image making circles into ovals and such.
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basically he dislikes correct aspect ratios on the video and wants the video to fill the entire messed up ratio of the physical screen cause he doesn't like black bars.
it's the equivalent of "stretching" a 4:3 image to fit full screen on a 16:9 TV.
I've never comprehended why people prefer this. The video aspect ratio is how it was recorded. doing anything to it either crops out part of the image (old pan and scan style) or distorts the image making circles into ovals and such.
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Well it's a matter of personal preference. Some people want to watch content as it was meant to be, others want the full screen experience. Personally I would never stretch as it causes too much distortion, but I don't mind crop...for me the small loss in the edges of the picture is worth the more immersive experience. I do this on my PC monitor as well, I have an ultra wide monitor (21:9) and crop most 16:9 TV shows to fill the entire screen. I know some people would disagree, but who cares to each his own lol.
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Well it's a matter of personal preference. Some people want to watch content as it was meant to be, others want the full screen experience. Personally I would never stretch as it causes too much distortion, but I don't mind crop...for me the small loss in the edges of the picture is worth the more immersive experience. I do this on my PC monitor as well, I have an ultra wide monitor (21:9) and crop most 16:9 TV shows to fill the entire screen. I know some people would disagree, but who cares to each his own lol.
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absolutely it's personal preference, I don't fault you or anyone for that. Do what you like.
I've just never understood why filling a screen fully at the expense of lost information from the video is worth it. Even zooming in and cropping (no stretch) isn't benign. If the video is a certain resolution and aspect ratio, zooming and cropping misaligns the image's pixels to the screen's pixels causing a slight blurring. On a small mobile screen you'll likely not notice without grids and reference points though.
It's just the tech geek in me. Overscan is my bane... living through the age of curved CRTs and 16:9 movies chopped down to 4:3....gross... along with my arcade machine collection constantly fighting image geometry over the years...bleh. we finally get flat screens with one to one parity with the displayed images and then we back track to curved and cropping out things again. Lol.
You can do whatever... I'm just saying I'll never get it, lol.
New version fixes it. I tried and it works as intended.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/1...ngs-pinch-zoom-devices-like-galaxy-s8-lg-v30/
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New version fixes it. I tried and it works as intended.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/1...ngs-pinch-zoom-devices-like-galaxy-s8-lg-v30/
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Hey, awesome, thanks!
Got the update last night and you're right, as advertised, pinch to fill works!
https://youtu.be/8y7XGmORIXM
As an example of the preceding discussion, any V30 owner can now easily see for themselves the tradeoff of filling the screen.
Watching Electroboom's latest video, where he's ranting about YouTube demonetization, when I pinch to fill I cut off his forehead and his pants. Nothing is "stretched." (Also, "pan 'n scan" is the incorrect term to use here -- that's when a film is shot in a wide aspect ration but cut down, say for a 4:3 television, and since both characters can't fit on the narrower aspect ratio screen the view virtually "pans" between the two characters, whereas in the theater they'd both fit on the wide screen and there would be no panning.)
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New version fixes it. I tried and it works as intended.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/1...ngs-pinch-zoom-devices-like-galaxy-s8-lg-v30/
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Hey, awesome, thanks!
Got the update last night and you're right, as advertised, pinch to fill works!
https://youtu.be/8y7XGmORIXM
As an example of the preceding discussion, any V30 owner can now easily see for themselves the tradeoff of filling the screen.
Watching Electroboom's latest video, where he's ranting about YouTube demonetization, when I pinch to fill I cut off his forehead and his pants. Nothing is "stretched." (Also, "pan 'n scan" is the incorrect term to use here -- that's when a film is shot in a wide aspect ration but cut down, say for a 4:3 television, and since both characters can't fit on the narrower aspect ratio screen the view virtually "pans" between the two characters, whereas in the theater they'd both fit on the wide screen and there would be no panning.)
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Indeed, I have just updated Youtube and it works perfectly for me.
Thanks folks for your help with this
For the ones like me that want to keep aspect ratios as they are, they can always look for "21:9" or "18:9" clips on YouTube, they will fill their screen all right without distortion.
Today's Youtube app update has the pinch to zoom feature.