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At the launch of the device was discussed a lot about the quality of photos taken in 20MP and 8MP where 8Mp said it had more detail and color that pictures taken with 20MP. By way of doubt, I always use to take my 20MP photos. I wonder if it came to a conclusion on which is better?
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At the launch of the device was discussed a lot about the quality of photos taken in 20MP and 8MP where 8Mp said it had more detail and color that pictures taken with 20MP. By way of doubt, I always use to take my 20MP photos. I wonder if it came to a conclusion on which is better?
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The closer you are to the maxium of the cameras capability the worse the quality
Lower MP= less noise, better bitrate n quality
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The closer you are to the maxium of the cameras capability the worse the quality
Lower MP= less noise, better bitrate n quality
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Ie 8Mp is better than 20MP!
I can not see where this makes sense!
What about 15MP ?!?
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The closer you are to the maxium of the cameras capability the worse the quality
Lower MP= less noise, better bitrate n quality
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Is this only for camera phone sensors? My 20Mp Cybershot gives way better pictures at 20Mp than at lower resolution?
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Is this only for camera phone sensors? My 20Mp Cybershot gives way better pictures at 20Mp than at lower resolution?
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If your talking about cybershot profetional cameras then resolution doesnt matter, noise, quality, sharpness is the same across all
Its just mobile phone cameras which effect with picture resolution
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If your talking about cybershot profetional cameras then resolution doesnt matter, noise, quality, sharpness is the same across all
Its just mobile phone cameras which effect with picture resolution
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Ahhhh OK. I wonder how long it will be before phone cameras are as good as proper cameras. Its annoying having to buy and carry around two devices.
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Ahhhh OK. I wonder how long it will be before phone cameras are as good as proper cameras. Its annoying having to buy and carry around two devices.
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Not realy, 2MP is a 1080p shot, and using manual with the right settings with Z2 literely almost looks as good as a profetional camera
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BR4DOKYBrazil said:
Ie 8Mp is better than 20MP!
I can not see where this makes sense!
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When you want to get text, 8mp looks better than 20mp
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What about 15MP ?!?
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15mP = 16:9 crop of 20MP
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When you want to get text, 8mp looks better than 20mp
15mP = 16:9 crop of 20MP
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So if I take a trip, take pictures of nature, landscapes, family, etc., would you recommend me 8Mp??
Question on details, colors, sharpness ... 8Mp is better than 20MP? I've tried to take the same picture at different resolutions and I can not notice a difference! Via doubts left in 20MP!
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So if I take a trip, take pictures of nature, landscapes, family, etc., would you recommend me 8Mp??
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This is a subtle one, If you zoom in a little the 8MP will look better but if you zoom in more the 20MP will reveal more structure, but if you zoom in still further the details in 20MP will look more blurred. if you look at ISO charts on gsmarena for Z2 you will see this. Text is more clear in 8MP than 20MP.
20mP means bigger prints possible or little more zoom but not too much
pictures of nature. landscapes in 20MP
family in 8MP
family with nature in the background in 8MP as they are the subject
scene mode shots are all 8MP unless you use mods
Where/What is the subject in the shot ? if its in the foreground you can get way with less resolution and it will look better. This is the strategy if you have 4mp HTC one. You must go closer to your subject then zoom is not required.
BR4DOKYBrazil said:
Question on details, colors, sharpness ... 8Mp is better than 20MP? I've tried to take the same picture at different resolutions and I can not notice a difference! Via doubts left in 20MP!
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8MP will be sharper than 20MP but will not allow to zoom as much.
3.5MP will be sharper than 8MP, if no zoom necessary then use 3.5MP for better shot.
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This is a subtle one, If you zoom in a little the 8MP will look better but if you zoom in more the 20MP will reveal more structure, but if you zoom in still further the details in 20MP will look more blurred. if you look at ISO charts on gsmarena for Z2 you will see this. Text is more clear in 8MP than 20MP.
20mP means bigger prints possible or little more zoom but not too much
pictures of nature. landscapes in 20MP
family in 8MP
family with nature in the background in 8MP as they are the subject
scene mode shots are all 8MP unless you use mods
Where/What is the subject in the shot ? if its in the foreground you can get way with less resolution and it will look better. This is the strategy if you have 4mp HTC one. You must go closer to your subject then zoom is not required.
8MP will be sharper than 20MP but will not allow to zoom as much.
3.5MP will be sharper than 8MP, if no zoom necessary then use 3.5MP for better shot.
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It's totally different than I really thought! Of course, I am aware that the sensor counts a lot, but I thought the more MP image would have more details, sharpness and colors! I'll try to take pictures and see the difference!
Try 2MP in low light, you will be suprised.
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It's totally different than I really thought! Of course, I am aware that the sensor counts a lot, but I thought the more MP image would have more details, sharpness and colors! I'll try to take pictures and see the difference!
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it is counter intuitive. The bigger sensor with over sampling helps to make better lower resolution pictures.
The thing is oversampling is only there in auto or scene mode. In manual there is no oversampling at lower resolutions.
I always wonder if there is some over sampling software on pc, if so then you take everything in 20MP and just resize on the pc.
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it is counter intuitive. The bigger sensor with over sampling helps to make better lower resolution pictures.
The thing is oversampling is only there in auto or scene mode. In manual there is no oversampling at lower resolutions.
I always wonder if there is some over sampling software on pc, if so then you take everything in 20MP and just resize on the pc.
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One Twelve, could you explain me what exactly is "oversampling" and what it does?
simple explanation is when there are more pixels it is easier for the software to estimate where the edges are and clean them up and reduce noise so the photo looks sharper when reducing the resolution. What you get is a better approximation. See this post.
But there is a trade off between sharpness over depth of detail with lower resolutions.
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simple explanation is when there are more pixels it is easier for the software to estimate where the edges are and clean them up and reduce noise so the photo looks sharper when reducing the resolution. What you get is a better approximation. See this post.
But there is a trade off between sharpness over depth of detail with lower resolutions.
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Tks so much @One Twelve !!!!
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it is counter intuitive. The bigger sensor with over sampling helps to make better lower resolution pictures.
The thing is oversampling is only there in auto or scene mode. In manual there is no oversampling at lower resolutions.
I always wonder if there is some over sampling software on pc, if so then you take everything in 20MP and just resize on the pc.
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use windows 8/8.1
open the picture using paint
right click on the picture then choose open with
then choose ( paint )
after opening the picture press on the arrow under the select option in the toolbar and choose select all
then choose resize from the toolbar (next to the select option)
you will see a small window
in the resize section select pixels
if you want to change the aspect ratio then unselect the option ( maintain aspect ratio )
then press OK .
you will find that the size was changed
press crop (make sure not to click on the picture before croping) (the crop option is above resize)
then click on the file menu then choose save as. then choose the format and the location.
enjoy
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use windows 8/8.1
open the picture using paint
right click on the picture then choose open with
then choose ( paint )
after opening the picture press on the arrow under the select option in the toolbar and choose select all
then choose resize from the toolbar (next to the select option)
you will see a small window
in the resize section select pixels
if you want to change the aspect ratio then unselect the option ( maintain aspect ratio )
then press OK .
you will find that the size was changed
press crop (make sure not to click on the picture before croping) (the crop option is above resize)
then click on the file menu then choose save as. then choose the format and the location.
enjoy
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This is a resize. Does it oversample though ? that means looking at neighbouring pixels and making a better pixel out of them.
I would recommend 8MP , because of the SCN modes they provide . SCN [sports] will limits the shutter speed to minimum 120fps image , which is clear in high movement scenarios and when images are taken at night .
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I would recommend 8MP , because of the SCN modes they provide . SCN [sports] will limits the shutter speed to minimum 120fps image , which is clear in high movement scenarios and when images are taken at night .
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+1 agree, I use 8mp because of SCN modes, especially Landscapes mode .
Thought this relevant since the nexus 5x has the same camera.
This is a comparison to the iphone 6...looks pretty impressive
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3ogvrg/nexus_6p_vs_iphone_6_low_light_photos/
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It looks AMAZING!
Woah - impressive. In fact, I dont think I have ever seen such a definitive improvement with anyone doing a camera side by side comparison as this. Sheesh! I wqonder how much of that is HDR trickery?
I doubt the Nexus 5x will do as well without image stabilization. Unless these were taken on a tripod. Apparently the 810 can handle electronic image stabilization but the 808 processor can't.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-because-the-snapdragon-808-isnt-fast-enough/
Both have some pretty ugly digital noise in the shadows, but you can see the effect of the larger pixels in the clarity of the detail. In the last pair of photos I see some chromatic aberration in the Nexus that's not there in the Apple, but the shadow detail is still better.
Anyone regret getting the 5x over the 6p now?
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Anyone regret getting the 5x over the 6p now?
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no, the 6p is too big, I can deal without EIS
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no, the 6p is too big, I can deal without EIS
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Me either. 6P is too big for me too
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Anyone regret getting the 5x over the 6p now?
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Show me the 5x night camera samples and I will tell you.
Seriously speaking, the camera for these types of shots should be very close to the same for 5x and 6p
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I doubt the Nexus 5x will do as well without image stabilization. Unless these were taken on a tripod. Apparently the 810 can handle electronic image stabilization but the 808 processor can't.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-because-the-snapdragon-808-isnt-fast-enough/
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You can't do EIS when taking a photograph, it only works on video where each frame can be zoomed in and cropped to match up the position of points in the previous frame. EIS on video doesn't remove blur on each individual frame either due to motion, that will still be there resulting in a lowering of overall captured detail, but each frame lines up better with the ones either side resulting in less visible shake making it easier to watch.
What the 6P is likely doing with pictures is taking several in quick succession, then picking the best one based on contrast detection which is easily done in software, and the picture with the most contrast is the best out of the bunch. This helps, it isn't OIS of course, but you get the picture with the least blurring due to motion or shaky hands, this assumes you do manage to capture a shake free photo in the bunch taken of course.
To be fair, OIS in tiny smart phone camera modules struggles to be effective, as there is a limit to how much movement those tiny optics can make and how many axis of movement they can compensate for.
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Phil
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You can't do EIS when taking a photograph, it only works on video where each frame can be zoomed in and cropped to match up the position of points in the previous frame. EIS on video doesn't remove blur on each individual frame either due to motion, that will still be there resulting in a lowering of overall captured detail, but each frame lines up better with the ones either side resulting in less visible shake making it easier to watch.
What the 6P is likely doing with pictures is taking several in quick succession, then picking the best one based on contrast detection which is easily done in software, and the picture with the most contrast is the best out of the bunch. This helps, it isn't OIS of course, but you get the picture with the least blurring due to motion or shaky hands, this assumes you do manage to capture a shake free photo in the bunch taken of course.
To be fair, OIS in tiny smart phone camera modules struggles to be effective, as there is a limit to how much movement those tiny optics can make and how many axis of movement they can compensate for.
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Phil
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Thanks for the info on EIS. I've been wondering how it works. The camera/software picking the best pick is called "lucky shot" internally and I think both phones have it, if I read the AMA correctly. I understand that the phone camera module is tiny, but since it has enlarged pixels, and a camera hump which makes it seem that the module is bigger than normal, perhaps OIS isn't needed as much?
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Anyone regret getting the 5x over the 6p now?
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Yep, but not because of the camera! I had to cancel my 6P order because monies. 5X a compromise in getting a Nexus but I would have enjoyed the more premium phone a lot more. **** happens. Smaller size is a bonus, though.
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Thanks for the info on EIS. I've been wondering how it works. The camera/software picking the best pick is called "lucky shot" internally and I think both phones have it, if I read the AMA correctly. I understand that the phone camera module is tiny, but since it has enlarged pixels, and a camera hump which makes it seem that the module is bigger than normal, perhaps OIS isn't needed as much?
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It's all down to shutter speed really, the faster the shutter speed the less likely any camera shake is noticeable. Generally a shutter speed of 1/30th to 1/60th sec is considered the slowest speed a camera can be handheld reliably without camera shake ruining too many pictures with typical lenses. A wider angle lens can go slower in shutter speed than a zoom lens where avoiding camera shake is concerned. This is because when you are zoomed in, a small tremor from our hands is amplified to be a much bigger movement, something you will notice if using binoculars. So smart phone cameras have an advantage already as they are pretty wide angle lenses.
Outdoors in the daytime shutter speeds are pretty high, high enough that OIS is probably pointless and having no benefit for photography on smartphone cameras. It's still important for video in daylight, that is because video is recording over time, and not a split second instance that freezes the action like a photo with a fast shutter speed.
In dark situations, the larger pixels of the new Nexus are more sensitive, this means the gain can be turned up higher without destroying the picture with noise, resulting in the ability to speed up the shutter speed. This can mean an indoor scene that might need 1/30th second shutter on another camera, on the new Nexus it can be faster and might be set at 1/60th of second, so resisting camera shake. Of course go a bit darker, the new Nexus needs 1/30th of a second now, another camera might need 1/15th second but that has OIS, so shake becomes evident on the Nexus, but is corrected on the other camera. So the advantages of larger pixels only help in a very specific situation, i.e. they aren't making that big a difference.
The above ignores the effect of the flash of course, add in the flash and that helps freeze action anyway plus allows faster shutter speeds.
I think the main difference not having OIS will make is when you are in poor light, perhaps indoors, and want to take a picture close up of something, for example a document to "scan to Google drive" or a 2D barcode, the close up nature is like being zoomed in so blur becomes more evident.
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In dark situations, the larger pixels of the new Nexus are more sensitive, this means the gain can be turned up higher without destroying the picture with noise, resulting in the ability to speed up the shutter speed. This can mean an indoor scene that might need 1/30th second shutter on another camera, on the new Nexus it can be faster and might be set at 1/60th of second, so resisting camera shake. Of course go a bit darker, the new Nexus needs 1/30th of a second now, another camera might need 1/15th second but that has OIS, so shake becomes evident on the Nexus, but is corrected on the other camera. So the advantages of larger pixels only help in a very specific situation, i.e. they aren't making that big a difference.
I think the main difference not having OIS will make is when you are in poor light, perhaps indoors, and want to take a picture close up of something, for example a document to "scan to Google drive" or a 2D barcode, the close up nature is like being zoomed in so blur becomes more evident.
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Phil
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Thanks for the informative post! I enjoyed reading it.
I was informed that tucking in your elbows to your body when taking a photo or video can help a bit in stabilization. How effective is that? Any other stabilization tips since OIS is gone?
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There's already a picture posting thread here....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/post-pictures-nexus-6p-t3213937
One is all we need. :good:
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I'm comparing it to my old HTC 10 and the quality is night and day. It's blurry/fuzzy, the colors are washed out. It reminds me of the quality of my old cheap webcam from 10 years ago.
Because you didn't turn off all the skin toning and skin lighting junk that's on by default. I was able to shoot selfies with more detail than any model would ever want to see on themselves so I know it isn't the camera's fault.
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Because you didn't turn off all the skin toning and skin lighting junk that's on by default. I was able to shoot selfies with more detail than any model would ever want to see on themselves so I know it isn't the camera's fault.
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No, everything is disabled. It's terrible quality.
Mudig said:
It's terrible quality.
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My testing and photos say otherwise. Like I said, way more detail in the selfies I've taken than most people who sit for me would ever want to see in a photo. It's not the camera.
Hey, coming from a Nexus 6 ... this is a major improvement.
Okay let's settle this, 5 mp camera is not the best out there, especially compared to iPhone 8's new front facing camera or even Samsung's I guess, although I can only tell based on what I see on internet, as I don't own them. Makes me wonder why it's so hard to create a perfect phone? I mean you did almost everything perfectly right, put a damn 8 mp camera with ois or whatever and hit a home run, why did they choose this front facing camera is beyond my understanding
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Because the reality is that in order to actually see a doubling of resolution, you actually have to quadruple the megapixel count. So to see twice the detail of a 5mp sensor, you would have to use a 20mp sensor. 20mp at selfie cam size would be insane. The cameras that are using 16mp selfie cameras (such as the HTC U11) are actually using the main shooter from the V30. But to squeeze that extra sensor in with OIS would require more room and produce more heat which would cause issues with amp glow on your other sensors. Digital imaging can be a real P.I.T.A. even with dedicated cameras. Cellphone cameras are a miracle that they even produce anything worthwhile. And that's usually due to being conservative in your approach to what hardware you use.
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Because the reality is that in order to actually see a doubling of resolution, you actually have to quadruple the megapixel count. So to see twice the detail of a 5mp sensor, you would have to use a 20mp sensor. 20mp at selfie cam size would be insane. The cameras that are using 16mp selfie cameras (such as the HTC U11) are actually using the main shooter from the V30. But to squeeze that extra sensor in with OIS would require more room and produce more heat which would cause issues with amp glow on your other sensors. Digital imaging can be a real P.I.T.A. even with dedicated cameras. Cellphone cameras are a miracle that they even produce anything worthwhile. And that's usually due to being conservative in your approach to what hardware you use.
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Thanks! I already learned something interesting today Is that the reason why the Nokia 8 and the HTC U11 have larger bezels as well in order to have enough room to tackle these technical challenges?
emmanuelw said:
Thanks! I already learned something interesting today Is that the reason why the Nokia 8 and the HTC U11 have larger bezels as well in order to have enough room to tackle these technical challenges?
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Yes, bezels really only exist to hide hardware that they haven't figured out how to downsize or place elsewhere. To get tiny bezels, you have to use tiny camera, earpiece, and proximity sensor hardware or just get rid of them. OIS units make things much bigger as you have to put a ring of motors around the object you're stabilizing. Earpieces/speakers take up a lot of space. I'm guessing Google used the headphone jack space to add more battery and the second speaker, with the second speaker adding more bezel. Proximity sensor is probably the smallest thing in the bezels. Display drivers used to be a big contributor (Moto 360 flat tire was a display driver if I remember right) but with the modern OLED panels they just, er, tuck 'em.
Not passing judgement on the quality of the selfie cam, but I notice that as with the main camera, it too has a "wide angle" setting.
But with only the single camera, necessarily this means that the non-wide setting is digitally zoomed, plus I'd bet there's heavy software correction going on to get rid of all of the wide angle distortion. Perhaps that's asking too much from a 5 MP sensor?
However, I rarely take selfies, and when I do, I'm often trying to squeeze in the other people that are with me, or some scene in the background, so maybe I'll find the native wider angle appealing? Hard to tell in-store with all the florescent lighting.
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No, everything is disabled. It's terrible quality.
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Agreed, turned all that off too and it still looks like crap.
Maybe find something better looking to shoot? The camera does really well.
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Maybe find something better looking to shoot? The camera does really well.
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Lol wow dude is talking about a selfie this guy says find something better to shoot lmao.
I've never taken an awful photo with the front facing V30 camera. I really don't understand how anyone thinks it's awful.
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From my experience, it only does poorly in low light, that is, compared to 2017 flagships. I don't think it's nearly as bad a many claim it is.
If you look at a lot of of comparisons with the between the likes of the note 8, iphone x and pixel 2, it holds up really well. The biggest difference is really between the pixel 2 and pretty much every other flagship front facer, it has by far the best front facing cam on the market by a good margin imo. The v30 front cam can look really good, is just dosen't produce quite as much detail as the others, and maybe lacks in dynamic range a bit.
If you turn on flash in low light, you see better results. It’s not real flash obviously but I’ve been impressed when it gets it right.
maybe youre ugly lol jk
I've had the phone for a couple of days now ant the battery life is stellar but the camera is such a disappointment. Compared with the S22 Ultra it lets in less light and the pictures are overall darker. Same goes for low light pictures, the S22 Ultra is consistently brighter in all scenarios. It reminds me of the difference between my iPhone 13Pro and my S22 Ultra last year the former always capturing more light. To be honest I was expecting the opposite to be true with all the reviewers clamoring about the S23 Ultra's better low life performance and camera overall. I'm really not impressed so far.
Anyone else still in possession of both phones? What's your experience been like? Any suggestions? Did I miss something in the setting? So many questions
Clear cam data, try a hard reboot and clear system cache. Try in safe mode.
Carefully go through -all- the cam settings and options.
Return it if you don't like it for a cash refund.
Are you using the 12 MP default option instead of 200 MP? The 12 MP is said to give the best results on colors and contrast when shooting in low light.
"Binning pixels like this increases their effective size, allowing them to gather more light and detail. So the ISOCELL HP2 can bin every four pixels to effectively make them 1.2μm in size and produce 50-megapixel images, or bin 16 for even larger 2.4μm pixels and 12.5-megapixel images."
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Clear cam data, try a hard reboot and clear system cache. Try in safe mode.
Carefully go through -all- the cam settings and options.
Return it if you don't like it for a cash refund.
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Done. No dice. The camera still lets in less light on the S23U. In the settings I noticed that Camera assistant is missing. Must be a One UI 5.1 thing. Do you also have the S22 and S23 Ultra? Is that the reason for your suggestions? Are you seeing different results?
I'm upgrading from S22U (SnapDragon) to S23U and the few comparison shots I've taken I found that the S23U does capture slightly more detail, but there's not much difference at all. Remember this is the initial firmware for the phone though so the camera performance should hopefully receive some updates over time.
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I'm upgrading from S22U (SnapDragon) to S23U and the few comparison shots I've taken I found that the S23U does capture slightly more detail, but there's not much difference at all. Remember this is the initial firmware for the phone though so the camera performance should hopefully receive some updates over time.
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For sure. I totally get that. The thing is all the reviewers said that the s23u captured more light and that has yet to materialize for me. They were using the same software. To your point, the software should get better but I feel as though this is a hardware thing. But I'm no expert.
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Are you using the 12 MP default option instead of 200 MP? The 12 MP is said to give the best results on colors and contrast when shooting in low light.
"Binning pixels like this increases their effective size, allowing them to gather more light and detail. So the ISOCELL HP2 can bin every four pixels to effectively make them 1.2μm in size and produce 50-megapixel images, or bin 16 for even larger 2.4μm pixels and 12.5-megapixel images."
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If by 12MP you mean 3:4 absolutely. Didn't change anything.
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If by 12MP you mean 3:4 absolutely. Didn't change anything.
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I don't have my phone yet but there is a setting somewhere that you can choose between 200 MP, 50 MP or 12 MP in settings.
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Done. No dice. The camera still lets in less light on the S23U. In the settings I noticed that Camera assistant is missing. Must be a One UI 5.1 thing. Do you also have the S22 and S23 Ultra? Is that the reason for your suggestions? Are you seeing different results?
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Try shooting raws, at least 3 f/stops more exposure and WB correction. Downside is the post processing effort/time required.
The issue may simply be the firmware instruction set. Samsung is notorious for dialing things in after the release. I'm still happily running N10+'s on Pie and Q. I demand a dual drive capable device. I'm not pleased at all by the newer Android versions from Gookill either.
The dead zone between pixels on such a small sensor with such a huge pixel count is concerning as is the individual pixel microlense quality. Even 20mp is pushing it. Canon full frame sensors are maxed out at about 26mp.
Regardless of the camera learning it's capabilities, limitations and shooting effectively within those boundaries is what grabs keepers.
I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have it.
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Is it the camera or the display?
Check/compare images on a properly color calibrated monitor... yeah, it's a can of worms.
PhilMorin said:
I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have
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I'll try tomorrow
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mrnovanova said:
I'll try tomorrow
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In low light hold the phone as still as possible.
Use a nearby fixed object to brace it or yourself on when possible.
Using the spen as a remote shutter release will help too.
mrnovanova said:
I'll try tomorrow! This app is so wonky for me. I'll try tomorrow and post the pics.
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blackhawk said:
In low light hold the phone as still as possible.
Use a nearby fixed object to brace it or yourself on when possible.
Using the spen as a remote shutter release will help too.
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I got a Benro Tripod with a Phone attachment mounted on top. Gonna try that when I get the Ultra Monday doing some dark photos and using the pen as remote shutter release. Will also do same with the S22U before sending it back to Samsung.
PhilMorin said:
I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have it.
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Okay I think this worked. I'll let you guess which is which.
Edit: @blackhawk was spot on. They were both from the S22u. I have such a hard time with the app. I re-uploaded the correct pics. Left S23u Right S22u.
Paul_Deemer said:
I got a Benro Tripod with a Phone attachment mounted on top. Gonna try that when I get the Ultra Monday doing some dark photos and using the pen as remote shutter release. Will also do same with the S22U before sending it back to Samsung.
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I loathe tripods. Learned to improvise and shoot in low light with my Canon Pro cam 15 years ago.
I'll use anything at any height or angle I can reach as a brace; with practice you can land one of a kind keepers no tripod can grab.
Smart phones are poor shooting platforms; light weight so there's little stabilizing inertia and lousy handholds. Poor shutter release and controls. However they lend themselves to bracing well enough. In a case you don't have to worry much about what you brace it on...
The traditional elbows in, wide staggered foot stance, hold your breath works too. Shooting technique counts...
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Okay I think this worked. I'll let you guess which is which.
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Poor example; different shooting heights skews the results. The AF lock on point is also different so the bottle's print is out of focus in the one shot. Light metering and colors look near identical in both.
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I loathe tripods. Learned to improvise and shoot in low light with my Canon Pro cam 15 years ago.
I'll use anything at any height or angle I can reach as a brace; with practice you can land one of a kind keepers no tripod can grab.
Smart phones are poor shooting platforms; light weight so there's little stabilizing inertia and lousy handholds. Poor shutter release and controls. However they lend themselves to bracing well enough. In a case you don't have to worry much about what you brace it on...
The traditional elbows in, wide staggered foot stance, hold your breath works too. Shooting technique counts...
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That might work for Photos but not very well for videos especially when you are zooming in 20x. Here's is an example where I have S22U on a tripod and zoom in on a waterfall from across the canyon and pan up and down. No way you gonna do it that smoothly holding it in your hands even braced. So for videos I love the tripod. It's the very lightest one they make and perfect for cell phones or light cameras. Change YouTube resolution to 1080p for best viewing.
Took pictures of red roses I bought for my wife. They are pink. My old Note 10 reproduce color perfectly. Not sure how much I am loving this new phone. Anyone else notice this?
Pink?
Same roses but taken across the room and zoomed in.
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Might be overexposed. That can happen with any cam. Not sure exactly what that is. A contrast curve of it give you a better idea of what went wrong.
The N10+ grabs good images. Samsung really hasn't provided any great reasons to upgrade from the N10+ in over 3 years. In fact doing away with expandable storage decreased to usability of the devices significantly. As with the N20U-S22U the S23U's form factor and weight sucks compared to the N10+.
It's funny as new vids are appearing with people advocating buying the N10+ instead of a new midrange Samsung and even the S23U. Actual performance gains in normal usage in over 3 years are very minimal. If you compare the N10+ to the N9 the speed increase is quit noticeable though. The N10+ does well with games, the N9 slowness is very apparent.
Rather disheartening.
Those images look bad. Camera issues and display issues, maybe a defective device?
Turn off scene optimizer and wait few days for the official update
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Turn off scene optimizer and wait few days for the official update
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Yes, it might help a little, but won't solve the issue.
I ran some picture tests yesterday (stock camera, 50 and 200Mpx / GCam), and the stock camera app is producing whiter pictures than reality looks like. GCam was slightly more accurate in term of colours.
I disabled the scene optimizer on the stock camera app and retook a few ones, but still: GCam was doing better in term of colours.
looks like software issue, probably will be some updates after a official launch date with fixes after all the testing till now and user reports
I took a few pictures with my Note 10 plus and the color is identical to the s23u. Must be the room lighting. Also the S23u pictures are a lot clearer. I used to think the n10+ was awesome. The future is bright for the s23u
Groan... The high mp count is hype. This 200 or their 108mp sensors haven't revolutionized digital photography... but it sounds so impressive.
Jaxom84 said:
Yes, it might help a little, but won't solve the issue.
I ran some picture tests yesterday (stock camera, 50 and 200Mpx / GCam), and the stock camera app is producing whiter pictures than reality looks like. GCam was slightly more accurate in term of colours.
I disabled the scene optimizer on the stock camera app and retook a few ones, but still: GCam was doing better in term of colours.
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Shoot in pro mode - raw, and edit the photo later, or try regular pro mode. My suggestion is to use gcam mostly, and stock for the time when you need something basic, gcam is too powerful to be compared with any stock camera, it literally destroys them in 85% of photography segments.
And also wait few weeks for first few updates to come.
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Groan... The high mp count is hype. This 200 or their 108mp sensors haven't revolutionized digital photography... but it sounds so impressive.
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Its not hype if its used properly.
blackhawk said:
Groan... The high mp count is hype. This 200 or their 108mp sensors haven't revolutionized digital photography... but it sounds so impressive.
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Yes we all groan when you post.
dazed1 said:
Its not hype if its used properly.
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this is from LG v20 16MP camera.
LG-H990DS.
my S23 Ultra hands on Feb 17th.
hungtinglung said:
this is from LG v20 16MP camera.
LG-H990DS.
my S23 Ultra hands on Feb 17th.
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I dont see 2 pics but only 1.
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I dont see 2 pics but only 1.
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my S23 Ultra offline pick up at samsung store on Feb 17th.
how can i shoot photo from that phone before Feb 17th?
hungtinglung said:
my S23 Ultra offline pick up at samsung store on Feb 17th.
how can i shoot photo from that phone before Feb 17th?
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Ok i understand now, 23U will win vs LG very easy in low light, during day in 12MP vs 16 on lg, lg might be even better, but once you are in low light - HDR/high contrast scene, the LG will fall apparat, since the sensor is too small and old.
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A more detailed explanation. 20 mp is a lot of mega... pixels.
In raw mode what's the image bit depth?
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A more detailed explanation. 20 mp is a lot of mega... pixels.
In raw mode what's the image bit depth?
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this is from may late galaxy note 9.SM-N960F/DS
12MP.