hi crew,
I couldn't seem to find the answer or a logical breakdown on this topic and so I wanted hear from the folks here at xda. I'm relatively new and just learned about this website last year while I was searching for things to do with my HD2. I used to flash all kinds of stuffs on my phone and really enjoy it. However, I moved on to the Sensation, touchpad, kindle fire, and Dell 7.
except for the touchpad (cm7), I'm keeping everything else stock and unrooted. This year alone there were several incidents with security on android platform .. Skype, malicious apps on market and forums, and I believe there was also ISSues with custom roms for folks in China. I guess my question is .. How easy is it to include a malicious coding into a custom Rom? If a developer/chef can modify just about every aspect of this platform then I'm guessing it won't break much sweat for them to include these spying coding into a custom Rom?
don't get me wrong because I truly believe that 99.999% of developers on this forum is dedicated and passionate about giving us the ultimate user experience. But if you look at the math, it only takes 1 out of every 100,000 and that's enough to create fear in many of us. Is there a way for users (common users) like myself to determine if there is something else coded in a custom Rom? Would it help at all to protect our privacy with an AV?
of course, one answer to my question is to avoid custom Rom! But yet, with the recent news about carrier iq even with stock you are still being monitored. Since I'm not a developer and have very limited knowledge about this area, I just wanted ask the questions here to hear inputs, suggestions, and opinions from more experienced users (and perhaps developers if any). Thanks!
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qdochemistry said:
How easy is it to include a malicious coding into a custom Rom? If a developer/chef can modify just about every aspect of this platform then I'm guessing it won't break much sweat for them to include these spying coding into a custom Rom?
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Very easy.
qdochemistry said:
Is there a way for users (common users) like myself to determine if there is something else coded in a custom Rom? Would it help at all to protect our privacy with an AV?
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It depends. You could use an antivirus, but they mainly just scan your apps, media, and settings; so if the malicious 'thing' is directly built into the rom, it will not be detected. If it was an app (or in one), then there is a chance it would be detected.
Thanks .. that was indeed my thoughts but since I don't know much about coding or "cooking" and so figured I'd would ask. XDA is a great community but it is a scary thought having to think that our privacy with custom roms is entirely relying on the "honor code" of developers. I have not read about anything isolated incidents with infected ROMs, and much less would something like that happen here at XDA. I hope I am correct with the assumption that ROMs being released here are somehow being cross-checked by someone .. but I guess that would be a great amount of effort as too many ROMs are being released everyday on this site.
Again, there are many reputable developers in this community but just thought that I'd ask since it would only take one to ruin the effort of a million ... if anyone got thoughts or opinions feel free to comment.
Thanks for replying
I think that's a very valid concern. I am using a custom rom right now so this is also my concern.
I hope I am correct with the assumption that ROMs being released here are somehow being cross-checked by someone .. but I guess that would be a great amount of effort as too many ROMs are being released everyday on this site.
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Well, I don't think there is anyone / any party responsible for checking the released ROMs given that the amount of work required...So what I do is to avoid dealing anything sensitive with the phone (even I was using Stock ROM). All this kind of stuff I will do it with my desktop where I feel I have more control.
lol .. same here .. on devices with ported ROMs I am quite careful as to what I do with it .. and on stock devices i do keep the number of apps to the minimal. But it's just sad being that way .. or may be i'm just paranoid!
I don t know if this question has come up before as I'm a new poster.
I have an Nook tablet 8gb that I rooted via the the NT 8 or 16GB root image I found at Tablet Roms.I also have CWM installed from Indirects recovery flasher apk.
I can run the sd version of CM7 with no problems,but when I install the internal version which is the Team-B CM7-Alpha final version through CWM,do a factory wipe/reset and clean the Devlik cache and partition,when I reboot from CWM,I get the Team-B splash screen and no further.It hangs there and the image jumps around a little with some violet artifacts at the top of the screen.
I have reverted to a stock rooted version1.42 with the Gapps loaded with no issues. I have tried to flash this 3 times with the same outcome.Im using the B&N stock version now right now.
Any help would be appreciated.
artemis65
Can't Flash CM7 Internal on 8GB Nook
you may want to check out these two threads before you try flashing anything to your device. The site is getting a little daunting as far as amount of info out there, but try reading all of the stickies on the different forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644862
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1613797
Good Luck
DavDoc said:
you may want to check out these two threads before you try flashing anything to your device. The site is getting a little daunting as far as amount of info out there, but try reading all of the stickies on the different forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644862
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1613797
Good Luck
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It would simplify things if the devs would simply put 8GB or 16GB or 8/16GB so that people knew which worked for which. It would take literally 2 extra seconds and save a whole lot of trouble.
A lot of those threads started before the 8 Gibbs NT. Since it is out you Development do tell what works on the 8 gb NT.
Please read do a little reading before jumping in with both feet.
Thanks,
Bill
So you're saying rather than simply asking the original poster to update a thread (only 3-4 active ROMs right now), its more prudent to have to have the end users read multiple threads which MIGHT have info about whether a build is compatible or to scour threads 100 pages deep?
I don't get it at all.
The HTC HD2 had a similar problem with ROMs for multiple Windows Phone versions plus Android development. After the confusion between Android and WP ROMs started bricking phones, they simply relabeled the threads and required future ROM threads to clearly state in the OP what could use it. Eventually, they make separate boards for WP6.5, WP7 and Android. It was a good move and development has exploded on the device.
Instead of this...
Mirrors:
Internal version - Nook-Tablet-CM7-Alpha-Final-TEAM-B-signed.zip - 103.3 Mb
Tell devs to label it like this....
Mirrors:
Internal version (16GB only) - Nook-Tablet-CM7-Alpha-Final-TEAM-B-signed.zip - 103.3 Mb
It really is THAT easy and being a little more prudent now is going to save a lot of devices in the future as more development occurs for each device.
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Tell devs to label it like this....
Mirrors:
Internal version (16GB only) - Nook-Tablet-CM7-Alpha-Final-TEAM-B-signed.zip - 103.3 Mb
It really is THAT easy and being a little more prudent now is going to save a lot of devices in the future as more development occurs for each device.
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You don't tell devs to do a goddamn thing. You flash theses roms at your own risk. These devs work for free and I'm willing to bet someone such as yourself hasn't donated a dime to any of them, rather you seem to be of the opinion that you are entitled to a certain level of custom service that you are not getting.
So please, stop posting and leave.
cool it dude!
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You don't tell devs to do a goddamn thing. You flash theses roms at your own risk. These devs work for free and I'm willing to bet someone such as yourself hasn't donated a dime to any of them, rather you seem to be of the opinion that you are entitled to a certain level of custom service that you are not getting.
So please, stop posting and leave.
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I see that you offer a lot of good advice on these forums. You are a valued member here. Be careful that you do not destroy your reputation with flames on other valued members.
Although you are correct about the devs working for free, I believe that you are out of place making assumptions about whether someone has (or has not) made donations. I also believe that you are out of line telling someone to stop posting and leave. I don't see "moderator" in your name panel (on the left). BTW, I don't see one or more "stars" there either - check and you will see one under my name. Do you even know what the star means?
Everyone of us is "unlearned" until we ask questions. Questions lead to comments. Comments invite discussion. Discussion expands knowledge and improves processes. That is what the other poster was suggesting - to improve a process.
All of us with 8GB Nooks face the same issues of not being able to differentiate between what works on 16GB and what will also work on our device. It would be a very simple thing for EVERYONE - not just devs - to start listing their device inside each post.
Soooo... cool it. Calm down, take a deep breath & smell the roses! Just like the government, "We are here to help"
I don't need a star under my name to know when someone is showing an entitled attitude that does not belong here and to thus voice my opinion about it.
And there's no need to tell me to calm down. I'm perfectly calm. I just have zero tolerance for people who think xda exists as an arena for people to instruct developers as to what to do. I agree that model specification would be useful now that we have two. But the syntax that was used was "tell the devs to do." Thats simply not welcome here.
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Do you even know what the star means?
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Your tone is extremely condescending right here, but you know that already, don't you?
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Cubanluke88 said:
Your tone is extremely condescending right here, but you know that already, don't you?
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That was not my intention. I am sorry that my post came off that way. My post was an attempt to cool the flames - not spread them. Please consider how "condescending" (other terms might also apply) your post must have been to the other poster.
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As I said, I have zero tolerance for people that think they are entitled to certain things and that the devs work for them. My tone was intended.
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First off, my apologies if a similar thread has already been posted. I have never seen one. I'm creating this thread to try to stress the importance of reading the OP's and entire threads of any ROM or MOD or any topics for that matter. Many questions that you may have, probably have already been answered within those threads. Redundant questions clog threads and hamper development discussion. Even if it may take a bit of time to read an entire thread, it will benefit everyone involved if you do. Our development community is incredibly rich with talent and skills and we, the users and flashers are most grateful to the developers for the time and knowledge they share with us. So please, keep threads clear by carefully reading instructions and trying to find any issues you may be having listed within the thread itself. Reading is beneficial, trust me. Again, if a similar thread has already been posted, I ask that the moderators remove this. I've just seen way too many questions posted repeatedly in all the threads I follow. After all, you will increase your own skill level by reading about all issues, even if you aren't currently experiencing it. Thanks to all who keep our devices updated and interesting.
EVOlved human
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[RANT]This user base. Aka the EVO LTE forums.
Why don't we start worrying about us and not them? They don't want to deal with XDA anymore ATM so just leave them be. Don't mention their names just pretend that this is a new device and we ourselves have to figure stuff out on our own. Got a question? SEARCH&READ, can't find it? Post a thread in Q&A. Mentioning them and talking about them isn't going to solve the cancer/problems you guys are. Not everyone is a problem just you guys make everything a problem. Try looking for your problem for a good 10 minutes on Google or XDA's Search Function. Not that hard people. I believe this is XDA-DEVELOPERS not the discuss about off topic things and what not. You got something useful post it here. If not don't post at all or if the thread have a Q&A post it there. If you got a question...again READ&SEARCH and don't ask it in here. If any ROM thread has a Q&A post it there. I think their problem with you guys is that most of us are just users and don't contribute anything and act like we care what's going on all you guys do is ask questions without even researching. Don't PM for your problems search it up or PM someone who isn't a Dev. For example say Corporal_modernback (lol example here) is the dev of the Rom you're using. DON'T PM THEM FOR LITTLE QUESTIONS LIKE "HEY HOW DO YOU FIX THIS TOGGLE OR HOW DO YOU GET YOUR PHONE TO DO TRIANGLES" PM THEM if you got a useful thing that they might need. If not them ask someone like me. I'm tired of seeing all this goodbye bull****. No offense to Captain and Sin but this is getting out of the line and YOU GUYS (THE PUBLIC/THE USERS) SHOULD START DOING S*** AND STOP BEING SPOILED PANSIES AND STOP EXPECTING **** TO BE DONE FOR YOU.
Thing is the devs here have lives. They're not robots on the computer that make these cool roms just for you.
Just my two cents. Feelings are welcomed.
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atheistevofreak said:
I agree and I posted a similar thread, a little less assertive, a week ago.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2657328
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So you're saying he should have searched before posting?
I kid. I kid.
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So you're saying he should have searched before posting?
I kid. I kid.
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I must admit, I LOL'd.
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atheistevofreak said:
I must admit, I LOL'd.
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dsEVOlve said:
So you're saying he should have searched before posting?
I kid. I kid.
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Hahaha I thought that too. But I'm not looking for a thread.
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I'd like to think I'm not too much of a noob since I'm not "scared" of technology & modifying things I "shouldn't be touching". I can't count how many times I tried to dual-boot Windows and Linux, and completely scrap the former for the latter (fun times)...........................but I'm still trying to figure out what's the point of flashing a kernel
But even being a noob to cell phones and rooting/flashing them, XDA is laid out well enough for someone that can at least understand new technological things quickly to be able to know what's going on with their phone and what they can/can't do and should/shouldn't do to it to achieve what they want.
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I'd like to think I'm not too much of a noob since I'm not "scared" of technology & modifying things I "shouldn't be touching". I can't count how many times I tried to dual-boot Windows and Linux, and completely scrap the former for the latter (fun times)...........................but I'm still trying to figure out what's the point of flashing a kernel
But even being a noob to cell phones and rooting/flashing them, XDA is laid out well enough for someone that can at least understand new technological things quickly to be able to know what's going on with their phone and what they can/can't do and should/shouldn't do to it to achieve what they want.
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A custom kernel will unleash extra features for your device. First thing I flash is a custom kernel
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n some cases the documentation is very wild and very on-the-go. Documentation is built over time and usually doesn't start off very well and can put-off certain users. Though that's not the problem.
What users need to understand that these development ROMs are not what you'd call a real release build. You're essentially testing everything that comes out... and that means it will have bugs. These ROMs, until "stable," are not plug and play type solutions. You are there to work with it and fix things. It always happens.
Change these user's mindset because that is the root cause. They think they're getting something that will be 100% what they want. It's not.
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A custom kernel will unleash extra features for your device. First thing I flash is a custom kernel
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Honestly, unless it greatly improves battery life, I'm not exactly concerned with the other benefits lol. I'm not necessarily needing an overclocked CPU.
However if a kernel makes a 4.4.x ROM more stable, then please let me know so I can flash one immediately
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Honestly, unless it greatly improves battery life, I'm not exactly concerned with the other benefits lol. I'm not necessarily needing an overclocked CPU.
However if a kernel makes a 4.4.x ROM more stable, then please let me know so I can flash one immediately
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You're totally preaching to the wrong choir.
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Honestly, unless it greatly improves battery life, I'm not exactly concerned with the other benefits lol. I'm not necessarily needing an overclocked CPU.
However if a kernel makes a 4.4.x ROM more stable, then please let me know so I can flash one immediately
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I'm not sure that you even understand why the kernels improve battery life. Custom kernels have much much more to bring to the table that simple overclocking, which is also something that most people do not do anymore since we don't have many single core decides these days.
Most kernels focus first on increasing performance. But by getting good performance, you get optimization from the processors, which results in better battery life (Intellidemand governor, anyone?).
If you want to greatly improve battery life, underclock your phone. You don't need a custom kernel to do that. But your phone will certainly suffer the speed differential that ours with custom kernels will not.
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I'm not sure that you even understand why the kernels improve battery life. Custom kernels have much much more to bring to the table that simple overclocking, which is also something that most people do not do anymore since we don't have many single core decides these days.
Most kernels focus first on increasing performance. But by getting good performance, you get optimization from the processors, which results in better battery life (Intellidemand governor, anyone?).
If you want to greatly improve battery life, underclock your phone. You don't need a custom kernel to do that. But your phone will certainly suffer the speed differential that ours with custom kernels will not.
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Agreed too many people think all a custom kernel does is oc the the cpu. They don't understand the features they provide. S2w, USB fast charge, better cpu governors(better battery life), better io schedulers, build optimizations, etc...
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Ok, back on topic for a sec...
I have been holding my tongue and just sitting back watching all of the shenanigans that have been going down between Dev's and Noobs both. Honestly, I'm going to say that both parties are to blame in some fashion. (More on that in a second...)
As you can see my post count is not very high here. I have lurked...and read...and learned...and flashed...and broke things...read some more...and fixed even more things. With everything I have learned from this "amazing" community, I have been able to make my EVOLTE do some really truly amazing things. Some people have gone out of their way to help and make sure that the XDA-experience is a good one. Some, on the other hand have not... That happens with every forum in existance. There will be jerks, trolls, noobs, fools, and people who just wont use the search function, RTFM, etc.
There are "other" forums available that have a lot of info about Android development, none IMHO that happen to be as organized and concise as XDA. The down-side is that XDA has gotten a reputation for being full of pretentious as$holes. We've all heard it at least once... "XDA sucks, no one helps anyone, they hate noobs, etc." I digress...
My experience has been lukewarm at best. I, for one, know that I know almost nothing about dev'ing. I would love to learn more but between age, having a family, work (2 jobs BTW), I probably won't be able to just "RTFM" for dev'ing. Another thing that most don't care to think about is that maybe some of us that are uninitiated WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE. But AFAIK there are no threads specifically for EDUCATING us that want to learn more about how these devices work. (I'd love to see some)
Now, I may cut a bit deep here but here goes... This topic probably has been brought up due to the questions popping up all over the Sense5.5 dev thread. I think I may know why since I watched it unravel. When the thread was created, there was of course the standard disclaimer, (Broke it? Your fault, not mine) the download link, and the normal reserved posts for extra documentation.
Aside from that, the Q & A that is now posted, was copied from another thread AFTER I was shamed by @Sinistertensai for simply asking a question that WAS NOT posted in the thread YET!
Thankfully @FinZ28 and others created a thread just for Q/A. A thread I have yet to post in because I get all of my questions usually answer by searching threads. (That would also explain my tiny post count...)
In closing, I just want to say I know the Dev's are busy! @chubbzlou @Captain_Throwback @Sinistertensai @FinZ28 This hard work is not unappreciated in any way guys and THANK YOU!
I would love to learn more about how you all work your magic on these phones. I just don't want to get treated like a prick for asking a dumb question. The dumbest questions are the one's that are never asked.
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Ok, back on topic for a sec...
I have been holding my tongue and just sitting back watching all of the shenanigans that have been going down between Dev's and Noobs both. Honestly, I'm going to say that both parties are to blame in some fashion. (More on that in a second...)
As you can see my post count is not very high here. I have lurked...and read...and learned...and flashed...and broke things...read some more...and fixed even more things. With everything I have learned from this "amazing" community, I have been able to make my EVOLTE do some really truly amazing things. Some people have gone out of their way to help and make sure that the XDA-experience is a good one. Some, on the other hand have not... That happens with every forum in existance. There will be jerks, trolls, noobs, fools, and people who just wont use the search function, RTFM, etc.
There are "other" forums available that have a lot of info about Android development, none IMHO that happen to be as organized and concise as XDA. The down-side is that XDA has gotten a reputation for being full of pretentious as$holes. We've all heard it at least once... "XDA sucks, no one helps anyone, they hate noobs, etc." I digress...
My experience has been lukewarm at best. I, for one, know that I know almost nothing about dev'ing. I would love to learn more but between age, having a family, work (2 jobs BTW), I probably won't be able to just "RTFM" for dev'ing. Another thing that most don't care to think about is that maybe some of us that are uninitiated WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE. But AFAIK there are no threads specifically for EDUCATING us that want to learn more about how these devices work. (I'd love to see some)
Now, I may cut a bit deep here but here goes... This topic probably has been brought up due to the questions popping up all over the Sense5.5 dev thread. I think I may know why since I watched it unravel. When the thread was created, there was of course the standard disclaimer, (Broke it? Your fault, not mine) the download link, and the normal reserved posts for extra documentation.
Aside from that, the Q & A that is now posted, was copied from another thread AFTER I was shamed by @Sinistertensai for simply asking a question that WAS NOT posted in the thread YET!
Thankfully @FinZ28 and others created a thread just for Q/A. A thread I have yet to post in because I get all of my questions usually answer by searching threads. (That would also explain my tiny post count...)
In closing, I just want to say I know the Dev's are busy! @chubbzlou @Captain_Throwback @Sinistertensai @FinZ28 This hard work is not unappreciated in any way guys and THANK YOU!
I would love to learn more about how you all work your magic on these phones. I just don't want to get treated like a prick for asking a dumb question. The dumbest questions are the one's that are never asked.
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Very well said. Kudos.
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Mike Boogie said:
Ok, back on topic for a sec...
I have been holding my tongue and just sitting back watching all of the shenanigans that have been going down between Dev's and Noobs both. Honestly, I'm going to say that both parties are to blame in some fashion. (More on that in a second...)
As you can see my post count is not very high here. I have lurked...and read...and learned...and flashed...and broke things...read some more...and fixed even more things. With everything I have learned from this "amazing" community, I have been able to make my EVOLTE do some really truly amazing things. Some people have gone out of their way to help and make sure that the XDA-experience is a good one. Some, on the other hand have not... That happens with every forum in existance. There will be jerks, trolls, noobs, fools, and people who just wont use the search function, RTFM, etc.
There are "other" forums available that have a lot of info about Android development, none IMHO that happen to be as organized and concise as XDA. The down-side is that XDA has gotten a reputation for being full of pretentious as$holes. We've all heard it at least once... "XDA sucks, no one helps anyone, they hate noobs, etc." I digress...
My experience has been lukewarm at best. I, for one, know that I know almost nothing about dev'ing. I would love to learn more but between age, having a family, work (2 jobs BTW), I probably won't be able to just "RTFM" for dev'ing. Another thing that most don't care to think about is that maybe some of us that are uninitiated WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE. But AFAIK there are no threads specifically for EDUCATING us that want to learn more about how these devices work. (I'd love to see some)
Now, I may cut a bit deep here but here goes... This topic probably has been brought up due to the questions popping up all over the Sense5.5 dev thread. I think I may know why since I watched it unravel. When the thread was created, there was of course the standard disclaimer, (Broke it? Your fault, not mine) the download link, and the normal reserved posts for extra documentation.
Aside from that, the Q & A that is now posted, was copied from another thread AFTER I was shamed by @Sinistertensai for simply asking a question that WAS NOT posted in the thread YET!
Thankfully @FinZ28 and others created a thread just for Q/A. A thread I have yet to post in because I get all of my questions usually answer by searching threads. (That would also explain my tiny post count...)
In closing, I just want to say I know the Dev's are busy! @chubbzlou @Captain_Throwback @Sinistertensai @FinZ28 This hard work is not unappreciated in any way guys and THANK YOU!
I would love to learn more about how you all work your magic on these phones. I just don't want to get treated like a prick for asking a dumb question. The dumbest questions are the one's that are never asked.
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People all over XDA pm me with question on how to port and ask for advice I am more than willing to help out anyone if they want to learn. I don't mind answering question about anything just I do get annoyed when ppl ask the same question that has been answered many time in the thread or question about issue because they are coming from cm rom to sense rom and flash with out wiping and complaining about FCs. I agree us Dev's do take it a little too far but ppl need to understand that we get frustrated about non sense. We do this for fun but it's starting to feel like and old toy that out live it's use.
If you are willing to learn and have sometime pm with any question you like.
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. Another thing that most don't care to think about is that maybe some of us that are uninitiated WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE. But AFAIK there are no threads specifically for EDUCATING us that want to learn more about how these devices work. (I'd love to see some)
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There are numerous threads in the xda general section and also if you use Google many times it will point you to a different device forum on xda that will have a "how to" thread that had nothing to do with that specific device. There is more info out there than you could possibly read.
It's just not all in this devices forum. Which it doesn't need to be.
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If you are willing to learn and have sometime pm with any question you like.
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I certainly will, whenever that time arrives.
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We've all heard it at least once... "XDA sucks, no one helps anyone, they hate noobs, etc." I digress...
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As with anything in life, we remember the bad much longer then we do the good. With a bazillion members, we are bound to have a few that know how to invoke bad reactions
Another thing that most don't care to think about is that maybe some of us that are uninitiated WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE. But AFAIK there are no threads specifically for EDUCATING us that want to learn more about how these devices work. (I'd love to see some)
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XDA University
Now, I may cut a bit deep here but here goes... This topic probably has been brought up due to the questions popping up all over the Sense5.5 dev thread. I think I may know why since I watched it unravel. When the thread was created, there was of course the standard disclaimer, (Broke it? Your fault, not mine) the download link, and the normal reserved posts for extra documentation.
Aside from that, the Q & A that is now posted, was copied from another thread AFTER I was shamed by @Sinistertensai for simply asking a question that WAS NOT posted in the thread YET!
Thankfully @FinZ28 and others created a thread just for Q/A. A thread I have yet to post in because I get all of my questions usually answer by searching threads. (That would also explain my tiny post count...)
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We mods are always here. While we may not answer in a timely fashion, suitable for some, we too are only human and get to peoples reports ASAP. Please always use the report button when you feel the ground comming out from beneath you. @FinZ28 is one of XDAs shinning examples of a Recognized Contributor. he gained his stripes by helping. Without the RC group, there would be much more chaos then what you have encountered.
I would love to learn more about how you all work your magic on these phones. I just don't want to get treated like a prick for asking a dumb question. The dumbest questions are the one's that are never asked.
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I'm sorry you feel this way. It's a rarity of Devs (now a day) to determine the capability of any user.
Now consider the average 10 - 15y/o that comes in and demands attention (this of course never happens) and the end run is, had they read the slightest, they would have found an answer. Sadly today, this is the norm on XDA! That is what our Developers deal with.
While some Devs can be harsh or down right immature, we are here to try and keep the peace between the fractions.
And let me end with these parting words... Do not take offense to this, but see the humor XDA back in the 4 million member realm
As it says in the title. I want to use an aftermarket ROM like Cyanogen or even just an AOSP, but I don't want to lose support for the S-Pen. Can anyone recommend a good ROM? I keep getting the OTA notice from Verizon, but since my phone is rooted and I have a TWRP boot loader I can't update.
There are apps in the market that add spen support to all ROMs. I personally have tried a few non TW ROMs and found them lacking. But thats just me.
Sent from my SCH-I605 using XDA Premium HD app
Got any recommendations? I would like something that's quick and not bloated with excess apps. With my previous phones, mostly moto droids, I was a fan of the AOSP ROMs because of their simplicity and speed.
Please let's not turn this into a best rom thread.
Recommendations of roms end up in arguments. Thanks
Naddict said:
Please let's not turn this into a best rom thread.
Recommendations of roms end up in arguments. Thanks
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Wow so you're telling me that the people on this forum can't even handle a simple recommendation request without turning into 5 year olds on the play ground? That's pretty pathtic. So how would you recommend I go about getting a relative idea of which ROMs are worth looking at without spending time I don't have flashing every one of them to my phone? Let's at least give people the benefit of the doubt before treating them like kindergarteners.
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Wow so you're telling me that the people on this forum can't even handle a simple recommendation request without turning into 5 year olds on the play ground? That's pretty pathtic. So how would you recommend I go about getting a relative idea of which ROMs are worth looking at without spending time I don't have flashing every one of them to my phone? Let's at least give people the benefit of the doubt before treating them like kindergarteners.
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Read threads instead of creating new ones
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I'm remembering what made me stop coming to XDA in the first place. You people are assholes. Don't you think I did search? I found one thread related to ROMs and the S-Pen and it was unclear whether it was working in all ROMs or just certain ones. I still have no clue what apps enable the pen and thanks to the over the top moderators that act like the gestapo I can't even get a recommendation on what ROM to try. Forums are suppose to be here to help people. If you're tired of answering the same questions, don't. Just ignore them and move on. Someone who's more willing to be helpful will eventually answer it. We don't need your unhelpful snarky remarks to remind us how a forum works.
I would like to make a push for non-stock ROMs to be supported on the Xperia Ray. Scoff if you wish, but this is not an impossibility (well it could be, but I would like to find out) We have an entirely capable developer community and this HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. If you are not aware, please have a look on this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2593806
If you still don't believe me and the workings are foreign to you, please have a look here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49025628&postcount=22
Now, I want you to be aware this is not one of those annoying request posts, I am currently in the process of trying to make this happen. Though I have run into speedbumps. I wish to see a bit of interest to help as I am, capable, but only to a certain extent. I have made trials that have made it as far as the CM boot image. For it to be considered a ROM, I believe it has to get slightly further.
Your help/ideas are greatly appreciated.
To people who will say "That's nice I'll happily give you money to support the cause"
I DO NOT WANT MONEY, I WANT TO BUILD A ROM
The point of this post is to see if there is adequate support to get this going. Support being actual help, not "I'd love to see this happen"
incredible, but what's the benefit ?
BloodEdge said:
incredible, but what's the benefit ?
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People who have "Rooting status: Bootloader Unlock allowed: NO" can experience the joys of custom ROMs
Guynan said:
I would like to make a push for non-stock ROMs to be supported on the Xperia Ray. Scoff if you wish, but this is not an impossibility (well it could be, but I would like to find out) We have an entirely capable developer community and this HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. If you are not aware, please have a look on this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2593806
If you still don't believe me and the workings are foreign to you, please have a look here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49025628&postcount=22
Now, I want you to be aware this is not one of those annoying request posts, I am currently in the process of trying to make this happen. Though I have run into speedbumps. I wish to see a bit of interest to help as I am, capable, but only to a certain extent. I have made trials that have made it as far as the CM boot image. For it to be considered a ROM, I believe it has to get slightly further.
Your help/ideas are greatly appreciated.
To people who will say "That's nice I'll happily give you money to support the cause"
I DO NOT WANT MONEY, I WANT TO BUILD A ROM
The point of this post is to see if there is adequate support to get this going. Support being actual help, not "I'd love to see this happen"
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Hey guy, this works really? Will be great if it works on My Ray :3
sebasrock156 said:
Hey guy, this works really? Will be great if it works on My Ray :3
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Yeah, basically I need some help, someone to bounce ideas off.